Kingdom 2nd Season Episode 37 Discussion

Azekura said:
Looks like Lu Buwei is underestimating his own four pillars, Li Si.

Azekura said:
While we only got to see a bit of Yan, Ju Xin was crushed way too easily. Generals should seriously try to control themselves, before they charge in the frontlines. Didn't Ju Xin have any other troops, archers or whatnot to stop Pang Nuan? If what Daoi said was true, that Ju Xin was able to counter-attack against Li Mu, Ju Xin should've played it more safe, or atleast his troops should've helped him against Pang Nuan, or at least escape from him. Even if it might seem cowardly, this is the warring states era; unlike the Spring and Autumn period, where warfare was supposed to be honorable and each General showed their bravery, the Warring States era was supposed to be about efficient warfare and no honor. Maybe Ju Xin pride, thanks to his battle with the State of Xu, got the best of him and was the main reason he was front-lining. Who knows?

Ckan said:
I'm interested in how the mangaka is going to portray Li Si, given his philosophy. Talking of the Four Pilars, I can't wait to see more of Changpingjun, especially with his future as , but that's a long way away.

Ckan said:

I feel like there was probably more about Ju Xin in the manga, as I don't think a single major general has been offed without a decent backstory. Surely we could have gotten a flash of the great Yue Yi, even for a moment? A shame.

Well, given the way Kingdom works, it's likely that Ju Xin was one of the 'instinctive' generals, and probably only managed to counter-attack by leading it himself, thus likely playing into Li Mu's hands.. But as you mentioned, this is all speculation, as we only got a tiny snippet of the battle and Ju Xin.

Azekura said:
Ju Xin getting killed by Pang Nuan seems a bit odd to be, since as powerful as Pang Nuan is, he's still only one man against an army (and if Ju Xin is a great general, then he's up against an elite unit). Also note, Pang Nuan came in alone against Ju Xin.
Only thing I can think of is that Li Mu was able to chip all of Ju Xin soldiers during the character, allowing Pang Nuan for the quick kill.

...Or maybe I'm just thinking too hard.

Azekura said:
His ideals for a king are the almost the opposite of what Zheng is at the moment in the anime, so will they portray him as a villain (not a trickery type, but an extremely strict person)?

swordstriker21 said:
Well Ju Xin and his background was also kinda concise in the manga. He was boasting to the Yan king about having sent many of those so called "gods of war" to the grave by his glaive but acknowledged Pang Nuan as a different breed from all his other opponents and in the end was overwhelmed and killed. Pang Nuan even called him a "fake".

Azekura said:


Pang Nuan calling Ju Xin a fake doesn't really mean anything. Pang Nuan is a warrior, and Ju Xin is a general. Two totally different things. Ju Xin could be a terrible warrior compared to Pang Nuan, and that's why he was called a fake, but he could've been a great general.
Though, Ju Xin shouldn't have boasted about his Glaive, and instead of his commanding skill if he was an actual general.
Though, there might be a chance that Ju Xin is actually a "fake", considering there was another general with him at the time of the Qi Battle, Army God Yue Yi, and Yue Yi might've been the one who built Ju Xin reputation.

Ju Xin can't really be called a fake, since he did still counter-attack Li Mu.
Unless that counter-attack could've been easily done by any general, and was just a part of Li Mu's overall plan to take down Ju Xin, who wasn't able to overlook Li Mu's plan. Then Ju Xin might've actually been a fake, and it was Yue Yi who was the real powerhouse.

Ckan said:
Damn, now I'm getting all hyped up about how the mangaka's going to build up hero Xin and the 'Four 3 Greatest Generals', Wang Jian, and Li Mu. I haven't been too impressed with Lian Po, but that's possibly because of the pacing of the anime, and how much he left to his Four Kings.

I guess Wang Ben and Meng Tian's rise will be pretty spectacular, too. Heck, even Bi (Heki) might get some spotlight...

It's also going to be a joy to see all the fictional/lesser known generals of the other States. Chu is likely going to have a bucketload of awesome.

Robbini said:
This season is either going to end just before things start to happen rapidly, or just after. Either case, if they don't deliver a third season, there's going to be cries of outrage.

lionheart04 said:
holy shit! does xin want to start a war vs han? is he really that stupid?

Monad said:


Well at least Han seem like a rather small opponent. Does Han even have the power to decare was against Qin if they don't invade Han?

Monad said:


I am already checking news feeds just to check if there is third season announced.



Well at least Han seem like a rather small opponent. Does Han even have the power to decare was against Qin if they don't invade Han?

lionheart04 said:
]Declaring war against han while still fighting wei is not a good idea

Ckan said:
Excuse me now, i'm going to go read a certain manga.

Solium said:

I suggest you start at the first chapter. They skipped a lot of things in the first season as well or changed the story.

fiore777 said:
I forgot his brother even existed, such a terrifying family.

Ckan said:
Thinking on this, it makes me wonder why/how Zheng can seem to have so few relatives. Where are his uncles, cousins, brothers, sisters and etc. It just seems highly unusual.

Ckan said:
Thinking on this, it makes me wonder why/how Zheng can seem to have so few relatives. Where are his uncles, cousins, brothers, sisters and etc. It just seems highly unusual.

Zee530 said:
It's a common thing in hereditary rule to find relatives killing each other in order to raise their chances of getting to the throne, we don't know much about the lineage of the former king but the Queen Dowager is from Zhao, i won't be surprised if he had several relatives over there instead.

leeo268 said:
He probably have some relatives, but they are probably powerless or not relevant/ interesting enough for author to add them in the story.

Ckan said:

Definitely, there were likely numerous power struggles that would have thinned their numbers, but given the length of Qin's family line, it's almost impossible for him to not have distant uncles and branch-families.
I guess as leeo says, they just aren't there because they have no tract on the story, but that just seems to a degree unrealistic as royal relatives almost always have a level of influence/power, unless disgraced.

Azekura said:
It does seem quite strange, but I did check the family tree Supposedly, Zheng should have about 20 or more different uncles (there's almost no information on any of them though).
I'm guessing they might just be children of Concubines, so they don't have a big status in the nobility. Also, Zheng, even if he's a member of the royal family, is already having a power struggle with Lu Buwei (someone who isn't related at all), and needs support from different factions and family. So if his uncles want to participate in the power struggle, they also need to find support from different factions. If Zheng is already having difficulty getting support from these factions, then most likely, his uncles (concubine or not) will have even greater difficulty.

Solium said:
About the family thing (it's no huge spoiler though):

nameskizo said:
Reading this thread made me want to read the manga.

Danpmss said:
I freaking love this anime!!