Do you think the school/club harem, fanservice, cute girls doing stupid things are low quality entertainment and should be banned from this world?

worldeditor11 said:


At least for now but the loss they had made were minimised by the recent success of Free.

Rashkolnikov said:
Just to make sure, I don't like to give names but I really want to know: anybody prefers Haganai, Nisekoi and OreImo over Princess Tutu, Haibane Renmei and Natsume Yuujinchou for example?

worldeditor11 said:


Me.

HaXXspetten said:
Me

Orsonius said:
Of course it does.

We get more shitty low fi shows every season and less actual shows with people who are talented.

I mean just look at the shows this season and tell me how good the writing is compared to other shows who don't focus on school kids doing random things.

I take Witchcraft Works as an example, because I think the writing is one of the worst I've seen in years.

>School setting
>Beta Male who is afraid of girls
>His family has no common sense, mother "forces" him to marry a girl, and his sister is super clingy
>The mysterious girl is over powered and saves him all the time from stuff (wish fulfillment)
>The villains also have no common sense, and are basically Team Rocket from Pokemon
>It will end in some cheasy romantic way which is totally unrealistic and on the quality of fanfics.

This is everything wrong with the industry.

People can't write stories, can't write characters. They are all just some cardboard cut outs we have seen a million times before. The story is School + [fill in the blank] because establishing a REAL setting would be work and requires skill.

All these fucking school shows are made by hacks who are not talented enough to make an actual good work of fiction.

HaXXspetten said:
Me

Zelot said:

me

ssjokg said:


BTW can we finally decide what is wish fulfillment?

Rashkolnikov said:


Lol, you haven't even watched. But ok, I get, we are doomed .

precious said:

Zelot, you haven't even seen any of the latter ones...

HaXXspetten said:
[Thing is, school life comedies etc are very rarely bad. They're also virtually never 10/10 material, but I can almost never say I don't enjoy them. It's a stable concept that almost never fails to entertain.

Rashkolnikov said:
I don't think they are bad, they are somehow enjoyable. But there isn't really something special about them, that's why I consider it as low quality entertainment, it's just entertainment and nothing more.

pralan said:

Onizuka can't be a 10 material then?
Even with a teacher MC, it's still a school life comedy.

Rashkolnikov said:
Yes, I'm pretty sure that this has already been discussed. But I want to know, without any flame, what the majority is thinking about this issue. It would be good if you could explain yourself...

Rashkolnikov said:
I don't think they are bad, they are somehow enjoyable. But there isn't really something special about them, that's why I consider it as low quality entertainment, it's just entertainment and nothing more.

Zelot said:

I've been found out!

HaXXspetten said:
Does it matter? Aren't you watching anime to be entertained in the first place?

Otouto said:
They are of low quality in my opinion, but by no means should they be banned. To each their own, right?

ssjokg said:
Blabala bla bla.

"People should only create things the pretentious me likes.And when they do I will call them pretentious or some other shit because the shows arent EXACTLY how I wanted them to be"

BTW can we finally decide what is wish fulfillment?
Boy saving the girl=wish fulfillment
Gil saving the boy=wish fulfillment
Anything in between=inconsistent writing because none of the two is "allowed to" save the other if they both are established as strong chars.

Make up your mind wannabe critics/aspiring writers/whatever the fuck you are.

Orsonius said:
For example. The writer is a loser who never got laid. Now he makes a story in which the protagonist (he himself inserts) has sex with a lot of girls.
Or he is super strong, or becomes the king of the world, or god or whatever he writer likes to be.

In the case of Witchcraft works the writer creates a generic Boy and a super popular girl, who is also a magician and basically immortal that protects him from harm, loves him and oh well what else, she is rich, everyone loves her, he is engaged with her and all the other bullshit.

That is all wishfulfillment. It's fanfic writing. It's when chubby ugly girls write stories in their diary about a prince who loves them and they live happy ever after.

gamer2710 said:


Just wait, someone from the elitist club is gonna derail this thread to oblivion.

Radioskpup said:


The author of the Witchcraft manga is a female, if that matters.

Radioskpup said:


The author of the Witchcraft manga is a female, if that matters.

Orsonius said:


Well that doesn't remove all the indicators.
So she wrote a story that would be popular among boys.

Or the other route, she is the Witch.
She inserts herself into the roll of the super popular witch. In any case it is not realistic in any sense. And I know magic also isn't realistic, but that is part of suspension of disbelieve. I have no problems accepting magic and witches exist in a fictional work, but I have trouble accepting all these other things I mentioned also can happen.

It feels to me more like stroking someones dick than showing them a mirror to look what pathetic losers they are.

renders said:
Banning them is ridiculous since there are people who enjoy them
...but yeah they suck

Radioskpup said:
Plot-wise though, I think it's too early to be making the calls you are making, even without reading the manga I can tell we've barely reached the point of relevant plot yet, this all smells like story set-up to me.

Orsonius said:
Of course it does.

We get more shitty low fi shows every season and less actual shows with people who are talented.

I mean just look at the shows this season and tell me how good the writing is compared to other shows who don't focus on school kids doing random things.

I take Witchcraft Works as an example, because I think the writing is one of the worst I've seen in years.

>School setting
>Beta Male who is afraid of girls
>His family has no common sense, mother "forces" him to marry a girl, and his sister is super clingy
>The mysterious girl is over powered and saves him all the time from stuff (wish fulfillment)
>The villains also have no common sense, and are basically Team Rocket from Pokemon
>It will end in some cheasy romantic way which is totally unrealistic and on the quality of fanfics.

This is everything wrong with the industry.

People can't write stories, can't write characters. They are all just some cardboard cut outs we have seen a million times before. The story is School + [fill in the blank] because establishing a REAL setting would be work and requires skill.

All these fucking school shows are made by hacks who are not talented enough to make an actual good work of fiction.

yhunata said:
From what I've read of Orsonius' posts and going by his logic, Oda wishes to be a pirate, Ohba wished to be "the God of the new world", Akira Toriyama wished to be a humanoid alien, Masashi Kishimoto wishes to be a blond ninja wearing bright orange clothing, Miura wishes to be a bulked up guy slaying demons, etc......

Radioskpup said:
Not sure if it's entirely intended to be popular with boys, because I've seen some males disgruntled over the role reversal where the male MC performs the role of the damsel in distress. It also is one of the few shows airing at the moment which strays away from typical moe and actually presents a cast of characters that look like they have meat on their bones like regular humans.

Plot-wise though, I think it's too early to be making the calls you are making, even without reading the manga I can tell we've barely reached the point of relevant plot yet, this all smells like story set-up to me.

Litrydow said:
Well, not necessarily banned from this world, I do enjoy watching some from time to time, I just wish there were fewer of them, and even among them, more of the decent ones like K-On and Haganai instead of the shitty or meh ones like SAO and Yuru Yuri.

Tsuyuu said:
If that's what's making the most money and largest profit margins in the anime market right now, then why the fuck would you want to get rid of it?

Orsonius said:


Because we want to get rid of the people who give their money to these things as well.

Face it, humanity sucks, our culture is in decline and big companies are exploiting it for their own selfish reasons.
We have masses of easy to fool idiots who buy whatever crap they can and those people are the perfect target for all that pandering crap.

It's not really that the anime industry is at fault.
They just use the situation they are in, with all these Otakus being easy targets to make big money.
But our societies.

Orsonius said:


Because we want to get rid of the people who give their money to these things as well.

Face it, humanity sucks, our culture is in decline and big companies are exploiting it for their own selfish reasons.
We have masses of easy to fool idiots who buy whatever crap they can and those people are the perfect target for all that pandering crap.

It's not really that the anime industry is at fault.
They just use the situation they are in, with all these Otakus being easy targets to make big money.
But our societies.

Orsonius said:


Because we want to get rid of the people who give their money to these things as well.

Face it, humanity sucks, our culture is in decline and big companies are exploiting it for their own selfish reasons.
We have masses of easy to fool idiots who buy whatever crap they can and those people are the perfect target for all that pandering crap.

It's not really that the anime industry is at fault.
They just use the situation they are in, with all these Otakus being easy targets to make big money.
But our societies.