Kill la Kill Episode 17 Discussion

Feb 6, 2014 4:23 PM

#101

loveyuri

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WOW...
The plot twist. WTF!!!
Good ep and can't wait for next week

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Feb 6, 2014 4:30 PM

#102

Portality

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That ending... just... wow.
The betrayal was very much expected, but it still was amazing to watch.

So long as you yourself enjoy it, what does the thoughts of others matter to you?

Feb 6, 2014 4:39 PM

#103

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And that's why Satsuki is my favorite character

Feb 6, 2014 5:00 PM

#104

Daitomodachi

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My reaction to the plot twist....

"Well that's what you get for raping your daughter."

Feb 6, 2014 5:02 PM

#105

TenkaOsaki

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Each episode, each plot twist.

Feb 6, 2014 5:11 PM

#106

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Was expecting Satsuki's betrayal a long time ago. But not this way.

So, what? Will Satsuki and the elite four ally with Ryuuko and Nudist Beach? Or will they go alone against the Satsuki empire? That's the question.

Feb 6, 2014 5:16 PM

#107

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Woah, Satsuki, that was a pretty awesome way to kill someone (even though she's not dead yet).

Wonder what what side wll Nui take?

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Feb 6, 2014 5:25 PM

#108

fiddle_shnibs

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Omfg I knew she would do that but HOW they did it. This fucking show. SO GOOD

Feb 6, 2014 5:29 PM

#109

Alainpogi

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That blood drip scene gave me the chills. I knew something was up with Satsuki. She had so many chances to kill Matoi. She even saved Matoi the time Matoi lost her senketsu.
If there's another plot twist and her mother didn't die, has some immortal powers and shit
I believe that if she can't kill her mom off, Matoi will. :o

AlainpogiFeb 6, 2014 5:33 PM

R.A.C.E * T.C.O

Feb 6, 2014 5:30 PM

#110

jovitza

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Biggest F***ing plot twist ever. I'm just...

Feb 6, 2014 5:39 PM

#111

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Was a little more violent than I expected. This series has been pretty tame overall regarding that stuff.

As violent as it was though, Ragyo looked fine and well in the previews so I'm assuming this attack didn't do much. You don't get much feel for mortality in this series despite it being called kill la kill, there isn't much killing going on. Attempted killing sure but it doesn't work out all that well

Edit: Ragyo looks fucking stupid as well. Who honestly gave the go ahead with that design?

DarkCycloneFeb 6, 2014 5:44 PM

Feb 6, 2014 5:42 PM

#112

AcidPunk

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fuck yes

Feb 6, 2014 6:08 PM

#113

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but did anyone see that Nudist Beach created their own Metal Gear Rex...
http://oi62.tinypic.com/wr8cj.jpg

Feb 6, 2014 6:10 PM

#114

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And just when I thought Mako vs Gamagoori was the freaking best fight of the entire series, his father vs Gamagoori gives it a new meaning.

Well I DID expect that betrayal coming from a lightspeed year of distance, but not as suddenly as that. So if Satsuki is declaring her "Rebellion" to her mother like that, it is to assume that Ragyo will survive that wound, God knows how? Holy shit!!

This is good.

Feb 6, 2014 6:29 PM

#115

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HOLY FREAKING SHIT. Does that mean Satsuki is on Ryuko's side?

"DTR" lmfaooo.

Feb 6, 2014 6:31 PM

#116

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Holy stinking balls. That was brutal, sooo epic with the blood shower. I think that it was expected that she would rebel against her mother, but that was way bloodier than I would have thought. The moment I knew for real that she would do something during that ''festival'' was when she saw Ryuuko coming and said that all the elements were there. Why would she want Ryuuko to come if not to have some reinforcement?

The sensei is just too awesome with all these lens flare xD
I like how even in the truck, we could see his shining nipples. It's all in the little detail :P

The story behind the mercenary (I forgot his name) was interresting.

Hey, I'll throw this in and say that Ragyo is Matoi mother and Satsuki is her sister! Okay, I'm only babbling right now xD

I absolutely loved the sake scene, it reminded me of the beginning of Code Geass R2 :3

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Feb 6, 2014 6:38 PM

#117

TheManiacalGamer

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Well should have expected that ending. Good episode though at least things are coming together nicely.

Feb 6, 2014 6:43 PM

#118

Master_Yoma

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Wow didnt see that coming and Matarou with a nice job on painting on his suit

Feb 6, 2014 6:45 PM

#119

Olem

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Kinda expected her to go against her mother, but that was still pretty awesome.

Feb 6, 2014 6:47 PM

#120

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OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT

Feb 6, 2014 6:54 PM

#121

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@DarkCyclone
In Japan it's "Kiru ra Kiru". "Kiru" is a verb meaning "to wear/put on" or "to cut". It's not so much about killing people as creating and discarding ideals, goals, bonds with other people, etc.; your most defining traits. Satsuki has cut off her affiliation with her mother, her "red thread of fate".

Pretty clear they're trying to show Ragyou's vanity and insanity.

Feb 6, 2014 6:59 PM

#122

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Kokopelli said:
@DarkCyclone
In Japan it's "Kiru ra Kiru". "Kiru" is a verb meaning "to wear/put on" or "to cut". It's not so much about killing people as creating and discarding ideals, goals, bonds with other people, etc.; your most defining traits. Satsuki has cut off her affiliation with her mother, her "red thread of fate".

Pretty clear they're trying to show Ragyou's vanity and insanity.

kiru is written in katakana though. Plus the official English title is Kill la Kill, not Kiru la kiru.

Feb 6, 2014 7:02 PM

#123

Portality

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It was not meant to -directly- mean "to cut", but rather, it is used as a pun on kiru, and how kiru also sounds like the English work "kill"
Like how it was stated that the main theme was chosen because "Fashion" looked and sounded so much like "Fascism"

So long as you yourself enjoy it, what does the thoughts of others matter to you?

Feb 6, 2014 7:08 PM

#124

iNeon

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Awesome plot twist and dat blood.

Feb 6, 2014 7:11 PM

#125

nayners

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O M G That twist!!! That was so brutal o.o

Feb 6, 2014 7:12 PM

#126

DoctorWasabi

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HOLY HELL I did NOT expect that ending. 10/10 episode

Feb 6, 2014 7:13 PM

#127

Mikisugi

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Inb4 Satsuki's dad is the final boss and also Aikuro

Feb 6, 2014 7:32 PM

#128

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I expected Satsuki to back stab her mother but not actually BACK STAB HER MOTHER. Once again Satsuki proves she is best girl.

Hyped for the next episode!

animeoshiriFeb 6, 2014 7:40 PM

"People who take anime seriously are autistic."

Feb 6, 2014 7:34 PM

#129

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A lot of people have been predicting Satsuki would turn against her mother (either because they've read ahead in the manga or their own predictions), but I wasn't expecting it to be now or like that! Any normal human being would be dead after being ran through and crucified on one of those three-star beams, but I have a feeling Ragyo is just getting started.

I loved Mako's family standing up for her, especially when her dad suddenly shifted to a realistic art style, only to turn back into their normal, goofy selves when they found out that yes, there will be punch and pie. :P LOL at the brother just covering himself in body paint and avoiding the takeover of the Life Fibers.

Shit has definitely hit the fan ... can't wait to see how this develops next episode! Will Ragyo be able to hold off the Elite 4 and 2 Kamui suits by herself, or will she have her own minions to set against them?

Feb 6, 2014 7:35 PM

#130

Master7432

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A beautiful coup d'état.

A beauty full of blood.

Feb 6, 2014 7:39 PM

#131

Blind_Guardian

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Also, I have to wonder what kind of time slot Kill la Kill is in, when they can get away with showing tons of blood spraying out of Ragyo without a hint of a censor, yet Pupa is covered in vast black swaths ... maybe other shows have started hiding the gore along with the tits in order to increase Blu-Ray sales?

Feb 6, 2014 7:42 PM

#132

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Blind_Guardian said:
A lot of people have been predicting Satsuki would turn against her mother (either because they've read ahead in the manga or their own predictions), but I wasn't expecting it to be now or like that! Any normal human being would be dead after being ran through and crucified on one of those three-star beams, but I have a feeling Ragyo is just getting started.

There's a theory that Ragyo might be being controlled by life fibers which could explain how she was still alive in the next episode preview.

"People who take anime seriously are autistic."

Feb 6, 2014 7:46 PM

#133

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I kind of figured a rebellion was going to happen, since that's totally Satsuki's character, hell she even has a line that says she'll exploit all of those around her, think it's from Gamagori's back story episode. Will our antagonist switch after this episode? What will come of Satsuki and Ryuuko's relationship?

Feb 6, 2014 7:49 PM

#134

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Blind_Guardian said:
either because they've read ahead in the manga or their own predictions

Given that the manga is the adaptation of the anime and barely has any chapters...

So long as you yourself enjoy it, what does the thoughts of others matter to you?

Feb 6, 2014 7:50 PM

#135

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That was the kind of satisfying slaughter of an arrogant bitch I wanted to see. Satsuki ftfw.

jayvon said:
She just butchered her own mother! WTF?! And is the butler her father?

. Oh wow I didn't even notice that he could be the father. Damn.

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Feb 6, 2014 7:54 PM

#136

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OH MY GAAAAHHHHHD WHHHHHATTTTTTTTT
I DIDNT THINK IT WOULD HAPPEN BUT IT HAPPENED!!!!
SATSUKI REALLY WAS PLANNING TO TAKE HER MOM DOWN ALL ALONG
HOLY FACK THIS IS AMAZING
(1st half hella drag tho)

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Feb 6, 2014 8:16 PM

#137

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oh shit i didn't expect the betrayal to come so soon. Looks like her mother is far from dead though. That bloodletting was awesome.

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Feb 6, 2014 8:31 PM

#138

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Korrvo said:
That was the kind of satisfying slaughter of an arrogant bitch I wanted to see. Satsuki ftfw.

jayvon said:
She just butchered her own mother! WTF?! And is the butler her father?

. Oh wow I didn't even notice that he could be the father. Damn.

...What?
Soroi isn't her father.
She was speaking to him about the day her father showed her Junketsu.

Feb 6, 2014 8:44 PM

#139

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That backstab was sudden but fucking awesome.

And Ragyo's entrance was FABULOUS MAX.

Feb 6, 2014 8:46 PM

#140

ObliviousSenpai

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That stab by Satsuki was awesome, can't wait to see how things pan out from here.

Feb 6, 2014 9:08 PM

#141

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@Lrdwhyt and Portality
I'm well aware of all that. I'm just stating the theme of the show, and I'm sure that the pun on cutting wasn't all that unintentional.

Feb 6, 2014 9:19 PM

#142

RediceRyan

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The last 5 minutes are always the best with Kill La Kill.
Great costume designs.

Feb 6, 2014 9:22 PM

#143

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Saw it coming from miles away. Didn't think the betrayal would happen in this episode though

Feb 6, 2014 9:23 PM

#144

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Predicting it right now, Junketsu is Satsuki's father

Feb 6, 2014 9:27 PM

#145

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Holy fuck Satsuki-sama is a fucking beast, damn this is one badass shot with the 4 divas posing behind her http://imgur.com/nTg0Yff

http://imgur.com/3UiVFD8
Upgraded 4 divas vs Nui?! What will Rei do?! What will Ryuuko do?!

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Feb 6, 2014 9:55 PM

#146

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My mouth literally dropped after watching the last 5 minutes! So awesome.. I like Satsuki more now!

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OP 4 most butthurt bitch on MAL.

Feb 6, 2014 10:00 PM

#147

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elfos said:
Saw it coming from miles away. Didn't think the betrayal would happen in this episode though

But that is all that matters. That Satsuki would end up being a quasi-hero (but not a true hero, the point isn't to rebel against clothing but to become friends with them) was obvious from the beginning, so it wasn't a matter of what, but a matter of when, and damn they pulled the when off beautifully (and the four (but actually five or is it six?) standing behind her with those smiles), next week cannot come too soon.

What a great episode. This show really deserves to become a classic.

Takuan_SohoFeb 6, 2014 10:04 PM

Feb 6, 2014 10:05 PM

#148

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I KNEW IT!

...I started speculating on this back in episode 9!...

...It took a little longer to happen than I expected, but...
...It happened!...

Virtual_BS said:
My Original prediction (EP9):

This is the only way I can see things happening with what has been revealed so far...

Ryuuko will defeat the remainder of the Elite Four at one per episode, taking us to the end of ep12.
- These fights will be challenging and Ryuuko will take a beating, but ultimately work out some strategy/level-up to end it at the end of each episode.
Ryuuko may or may not fight Satsuki in ep13, but that wouldn't have any impact on the second part of the story.
At this point (ep13 or ep14), Satsuki will reveal the truth which will go something like this:
- The person that killed Ryuuko's father is Satsuki's greatest enemy.
- An enemy that Satsuki herself is not strong enough to beat.
- This being the reason Satsuki established that school system - to raise an army capable of challenging said enemy.
- ...With the most powerful uniforms ending up in the hands of the strongest warriors...
- Her army was still not strong enough to challenge said enemy, with Ryuuko being the tipping factor.
- She forced Ryuuko to fight her way to the top before telling her the truth because:
  - She wanted to get Ryuuko into the school system so that she didn't just run away and start a fight on her own.
  - She wanted to verify that Ryuuko will be strong enough to for the impending boss battle.
  - She wanted let Ryuuko gain fighting experience to become strong enough for the impending boss battle.
  - She wanted to keep her around as a strong opponent for her club leaders and elite four to gain more experience.
  - She saw potential for Ryuuko to be the leader of her army.
- The reason for school system being structured to determine the wealth of the families is to motivate students to better themselves and their fighting ability.
This will ultimately mean that Ryuuko and Satsuki will unite against a new enemy for the remainder of the series.
The structure of the anime will probably change from a one-on-one challenge battles to an all out war involving all the characters revealed so far fighting together.
The Elite Four may also get stronger and we may see some successful four star uniforms.

Virtual_BS said:
Update (EP10):

Virtual_BS said:
Update (EP11):

So basically, a good portion of my previous prediction was just confirmed.
Harime Nui did indeed turn out to be a surprise opponent.
Moreover, she revealed herself to be the one who killed Ryuuko's father.

Further speculation:

I predict that Satsuki's mother, Ragyou Kiryuuin, is the final boss.
- It looks like she also wears "God Clothes"
  - One of her outfits moved on it's own when she went to get changed.
- She's the one who orders Nui Harime (the person that killed Ryuuko's father) around.
  - Satsuki and Tsumugu both confirmed that.
- Satsuki was visibly upset that Nui showed up at her school, knowing that her mother sent her.
I expect the second half of the series to continue as follows:
- Ryuuko, Satsuki, the Elite Four, and possibly the entire school spend the second half of the series battling against Satsuki's mother and her subordinates
Regarding "God Clothes" and Goku Uniforms:
- "God Clothes" are probably manufactured and widely used by the Kiryuuin family.
  - They may be partly responsible for the family's vast power and influence.
  - Maybe they even sell them as weapons to other elites.
- Satsuki probably designed the Goku Uniforms
  - ...as a scaled down version of "God Clothes" that regular people can wear...
  - So that she can build her army to fight against her own family.
- The Sword-Scissor may have been made by the Kiryuuin family to counteract that.
  - It is a weapon specifically designed to fight against Goku Uniforms.
  - In order to ensure that civilians, now armed with life-fibre powered uniforms don't/can't challenge them, they needed a suitable weapon to destroy these uniforms, should the need arise.

Reinforcing the parts of my prediction from EP9 that have yet to come:

Regarding Satsuki making Ryuuko to fight her way to the top before telling her the truth:
- In addition to all the previously made points...
- She probably knew that Ryuuko would defeat them all and wanted to use the battle data to improve the uniforms of the elite four (and possibly in general)
Regarding Ryuuko and Satsuki uniting against a new enemy for the remainder of the series:
- Now we know that this may turn out to be Satsuki's mother.
  - From the way Satsuki reacted to Nui showing up, it seems that she dislikes her, but likely also hates her own mother.
  - Satsuki may hate the tyrannous ways of her family...
  - By acting as a tyrant herself, she can build up her own army without raising too much suspicion.
- Satsuki plays the part of the necessary evil to oppose a greater evil for an ultimately good and noble outcome.
Regarding the Elite Four getting stronger with better uniforms:
- This episode just confirmed that they're already using Ryuuko's battle data to patch flaws.
- So Satsuki may end up with a badass army after all.

Immediate Future Speculation:

The fight spans two episodes.
The fight is inconclusive, or Ryuuko faces a temporary defeat in order for the fight to be concluded later in the series.

Virtual_BS said:
Update (EP12):

...This is where I locked myself out of MAL to make better use of my time.

I just came back now to rub it in.

Some of this still remains to be seen, but, whatever...

Let me top off the speculation with just one more prediction for this week's post:

P.S. Found this on the official site...
Doesn't really tell us anything we don't know, but confirms the intent and extent of character relations:
http://www.killlakill.com/character/img/correlation.jpg

The whole website is available in English now.
http://www.killlakill.com/

NyaaFeb 6, 2014 10:39 PM

Feb 6, 2014 10:06 PM

#149

zzzeally

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omg can't wait for Nui vs 4 divas or even Satsuki. Nui best villain loli ever

Feb 6, 2014 10:13 PM

#150

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Virtual_BS said:

I KNEW IT!

...Back in episode 9!...

...It took a little longer to happen than I expected, but...
...It happened!...

Virtual_BS said:
My Original prediction (EP9):

This is the only way I can see things happening with what has been revealed so far...

Ryuuko will defeat the remainder of the Elite Four at one per episode, taking us to the end of ep12.
- These fights will be challenging and Ryuuko will take a beating, but ultimately work out some strategy/level-up to end it at the end of each episode.
Ryuuko may or may not fight Satsuki in ep13, but that wouldn't have any impact on the second part of the story.
At this point (ep13 or ep14), Satsuki will reveal the truth which will go something like this:
- The person that killed Ryuuko's father is Satsuki's greatest enemy.
- An enemy that Satsuki herself is not strong enough to beat.
- This being the reason Satsuki established that school system - to raise an army capable of challenging said enemy.
- ...With the most powerful uniforms ending up in the hands of the strongest warriors...
- Her army was still not strong enough to challenge said enemy, with Ryuuko being the tipping factor.
- She forced Ryuuko to fight her way to the top before telling her the truth because:
  - She wanted to get Ryuuko into the school system so that she didn't just run away and start a fight on her own.
  - She wanted to verify that Ryuuko will be strong enough to for the impending boss battle.
  - She wanted let Ryuuko gain fighting experience to become strong enough for the impending boss battle.
  - She wanted to keep her around as a strong opponent for her club leaders and elite four to gain more experience.
  - She saw potential for Ryuuko to be the leader of her army.
- The reason for school system being structured to determine the wealth of the families is to motivate students to better themselves and their fighting ability.
This will ultimately mean that Ryuuko and Satsuki will unite against a new enemy for the remainder of the series.
The structure of the anime will probably change from a one-on-one challenge battles to an all out war involving all the characters revealed so far fighting together.
The Elite Four may also get stronger and we may see some successful four star uniforms.

Virtual_BS said:
Update (EP10):

Virtual_BS said:
Update (EP11):

So basically, a good portion of my previous prediction was just confirmed.
Harime Nui did indeed turn out to be a surprise opponent.
Moreover, she revealed herself to be the one who killed Ryuuko's father.

Further speculation:

I predict that Satsuki's mother, Ragyou Kiryuuin, is the final boss.
- It looks like she also wears "God Clothes"
  - One of her outfits moved on it's own when she went to get changed.
- She's the one who orders Nui Harime (the person that killed Ryuuko's father) around.
  - Satsuki and Tsumugu both confirmed that.
- Satsuki was visibly upset that Nui showed up at her school, knowing that her mother sent her.
I expect the second half of the series to continue as follows:
- Ryuuko, Satsuki, the Elite Four, and possibly the entire school spend the second half of the series battling against Satsuki's mother and her subordinates
Regarding "God Clothes" and Goku Uniforms:
- "God Clothes" are probably manufactured and widely used by the Kiryuuin family.
  - They may be partly responsible for the family's vast power and influence.
  - Maybe they even sell them as weapons to other elites.
- Satsuki probably designed the Goku Uniforms
  - ...as a scaled down version of "God Clothes" that regular people can wear...
  - So that she can build her army to fight against her own family.
- The Sword-Scissor may have been made by the Kiryuuin family to counteract that.
  - It is a weapon specifically designed to fight against Goku Uniforms.
  - In order to ensure that civilians, now armed with life-fibre powered uniforms don't/can't challenge them, they needed a suitable weapon to destroy these uniforms, should the need arise.

Reinforcing the parts of my prediction from EP9 that have yet to come:

Regarding Satsuki making Ryuuko to fight her way to the top before telling her the truth:
- In addition to all the previously made points...
- She probably knew that Ryuuko would defeat them all and wanted to use the battle data to improve the uniforms of the elite four (and possibly in general)
Regarding Ryuuko and Satsuki uniting against a new enemy for the remainder of the series:
- Now we know that this may turn out to be Satsuki's mother.
  - From the way Satsuki reacted to Nui showing up, it seems that she dislikes her, but likely also hates her own mother.
  - Satsuki may hate the tyrannous ways of her family...
  - By acting as a tyrant herself, she can build up her own army without raising too much suspicion.
- Satsuki plays the part of the necessary evil to oppose a greater evil for an ultimately good and noble outcome.
Regarding the Elite Four getting stronger with better uniforms:
- This episode just confirmed that they're already using Ryuuko's battle data to patch flaws.
- So Satsuki may end up with a badass army after all.

Immediate Future Speculation:

The fight spans two episodes.
The fight is inconclusive, or Ryuuko faces a temporary defeat in order for the fight to be concluded later in the series.

Virtual_BS said:
Update (EP12):

...This is where I locked myself out of MAL to make better use of my time.

I just came back now to rub it in.

Some of this still remains to be seen, but, whatever...

Tables Turn, Bridges Burn, man your spoiler predictions were top notch. It's nice to see that it happened...albeit that "I KNEW IT" caught me a little off guard there haha.

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