Kill la Kill
| To call the show a parody is disingenuous, because the show isn't particularly exaggerated compared to what it's based on, nor is it making jokes or satirical comments about it. The fact is that the staff like tits, so they draw tits, and lots of Japanese men enjoy sexual humiliation, so Ryuuko feels humiliated. There's nothing more going on than that. |
Araby said: antonique said: dat spellingIts a great anime to fap to, and thats all. Its far to myzoginistic to be really good. not a native speaker here, so calm yo tits |
| Check out this post for some interesting thoughts on how the fanservice in Kill la Kill is handled. http://formeinfullbloom.wordpress.com/2013/10/17/what-not-to-wear-undressing-kill-la-kills-wardrobe-nsfw/ |
| Even if the fanservice (or is it staffservice here?) is justified to some extent, I have no idea what the creators were thinking, and probably won't until I've seen the last episode of the series. Meanwhile I'll continue to think this show would have been better without it. |
EratiKOct 19, 2013 5:00 PM
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EratiK said: this show would have been better without it. That pretty much sums up everything I feel about the fanservice. If horny teenage boys want to look at boobies they can go do so just about anywhere. But I can't find many awesome action shows that don't shove nearly naked women in my face at every opportunity. |
MemoBookwormOct 19, 2013 3:55 PM
| I wonder, was Free! as controversial and divisive as KlK when it first came out? |
| Powerful eyebrows. |
migohunter said: I wonder, was Free! as controversial and divisive as KlK when it first came out? Yes. And besides Free! is a completely different show. It's main appeal is (as far as i'm aware) fanservice, and female targeted fanservice shows are pretty uncommon. The problem with Kill La Kill is that it has a lot more to offer than this and an excessive focus on fanservice damages all the actual fun stuff the show has to offer. I guess I just feel really disappointed. I was looking forward to this show and then each fight scene spends half the time focusing on boobs instead of awesome fighting. I mean given the style of the show I expected some fanservice but not this much and not overshadowing all the awesome things. (and that's without getting into the fact that those outfits look really fucking silly and super uncomfortable. Come on people you can draw sexy attractive women without making them look ridiculous and awkward) |
MemoBookwormOct 19, 2013 5:24 PM
skudoops said: MemoBookworm said: migohunter said: I wonder, was Free! as controversial and divisive as KlK when it first came out? Yes. And besides Free! is a completely different show. It's main appeal is (as far as i'm aware) fanservice, and female targeted fanservice shows are pretty uncommon. The problem with Kill La Kill is that it has a lot more to offer than this and an excessive focus on fanservice damages all the actual fun stuff the show has to offer. I guess I just feel really disappointed. I was looking forward to this show and then each fight scene spends half the time focusing on boobs instead of awesome fighting. I mean given the style of the show I expected some fanservice but not this much and not overshadowing all the awesome things. (and that's without getting into the fact that those outfits look <i>really fucking silly</i> come on people you can draw sexy attractive women without making them look ridiculous) I think you missed the point of why they look that way, Nagisa33 has a link that would explain it way better than I could, but you should focus on the dialogue a bit more. I would actually agree with you if this were before the show aired, as I was pretty annoyed by the look when I saw the initial pictures. But after seeing the context they are doing it, while it might still be to draw in otakus, it's alot more bearable and they make a gigantic joke out of it as well which also makes it alot more tolerable. Unfortunately internal justifications don't really make me feel ok with seeing boob shots where I want action :/ |
| why do people not like fan service =P its like the reason i watch anime xD boobies and pantie shots, :) look at my animelist and you'll see 90% ecchi xD |
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| Well more power too you if you enjoy this sort of fanservice. I personally don't and i'm not going to apologize for that. I won't be dropping this show because fanservice aside I am enjoying it but it's probably going to hurt my final rating for it. But hey. We don't have to agree on everything right? |
Draknalor said: Fanservice mix well with some anime and some don't. Sometimes it causes more negative than positive.why do people not like fan service =P its like the reason i watch anime xD boobies and pantie shots, :) look at my animelist and you'll see 90% ecchi xD |
SomeDeadGuy said: Different people watch things differently and no one way of viewing something is inherently wrong. Memo clearly stated that he's watching Kill la Kill for the action and that fan-service doesn't fit in with his criteria for what makes good action. That's all there is to it. MemoBookworm said: I don't get your point of view at all, but alright I guess.Well more power too you if you enjoy this sort of fanservice. I personally don't and i'm not going to apologize for that. I won't be dropping this show because fanservice aside I am enjoying it but it's probably going to hurt my final rating for it. But hey. We don't have to agree on everything right? Naturally, you're free to say, "Kill la Kill isn't intended to be viewed as a straightforward action show." You'd be right, but that doesn't necessarily discredit Memo's views and it certainly doesn't make them nonsensical. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
MemoBookworm said: EratiK said: this show would have been better without it. That pretty much sums up everything I feel about the fanservice. If horny teenage boys want to look at boobies they can go do so just about anywhere. But I can't find many awesome action shows that don't shove nearly naked women in my face at every opportunity. But it sells, you can do nothing about it. Honestly, at this point, I don't even care anymore. They can put whatever they want in the show, I'm having fun watching it, so the fanservice comes as a bonus. |
| I enjoy Kill la Kill, fanservice and all. But I won't get too upset at the people critiquing it so as long as they're not hypocrites about it. It's pretty ridiculous to see yaoi fans and people who list Free as their favorite anime whining about it. |
deadbilly said: well saidI enjoy Kill la Kill, fanservice and all. But I won't get too upset at the people critiquing it so as long as they're not hypocrites about it. It's pretty ridiculous to see yaoi fans and people who list Free as their favorite anime whining about it. |
deadbilly said: There's nothing hypocritical about that whatsoever. Different shows are different. I enjoy Kill la Kill, fanservice and all. But I won't get too upset at the people critiquing it so as long as they're not hypocrites about it. It's pretty ridiculous to see yaoi fans and people who list Free as their favorite anime whining about it. It's not the case that anyone has to approach a certain a show a certain way, just because of how they approach other shows. This is because no two experiences are identical, by definition. There are subtle differences between superficially similar shows (or, if we go with your laughable comparison, there are infinite differences even on a superficial level) and those differences may change how someone perceives the role of the same element (say, fan-service) across different shows. This process is extremely sensible and is necessary in order for someone to "critically" evaluate anime (or art, in general). |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
silentanimelover said: Anyone? I decided to stop watching after the 2nd episode... because of all of those shots <_> Should have stuck with it till episode 3, for the Man-service! |
| Don't let it destroy your viewing experience. |
| "I left everything I own in One Piece" ~ Gol D. Roger |
| Remember when Kill la Kill was going to save anime? |
SolviteSekai said: Remember when Kill la Kill was going to save anime? It's looking saved to me... or do you prefer Choices the Animation and Curse of the Moeshit Glasses Girl... |
| "I left everything I own in One Piece" ~ Gol D. Roger |
SolviteSekai said: But it has.Remember when Kill la Kill was going to save anime? |
Please learn about cel animation and its technical process. Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers. |
| Every time I respond to someone who posted, "you're not allowed to dislike this because of fan-service," they don't respond and then someone else says it again two posts later. Weaselly bastards. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Araby said: Every time I respond to someone who posted, "you're not allowed to dislike this because of fan-service," they don't respond and then someone else says it again two posts later. Weaselly bastards. HAH, you thought people were actually looking to discuss something. I envy you. :P |
Legendre said: iCry every teimHAH, you thought people were actually looking to discuss something. I envy you. :P bbBM said: That's what I'm saying. The other side is saying, "you can't think fan-service detracts from Kill la Kill, because then you're being hypocritical and dumb by default," which doesn't make any sense. At any rate, I've spent too much time repeating this, haha. How do you respond to "that's just, like, your opinion, man," exactly? no h8 btw ily araby |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
| Can we discuss how amazing it is that this show has managed to take the most meaningless thing about anime -- fan service -- and given it real purpose and context? In basically the exact same fashion that masculinity was transformed into "spiral power" in TTGL. Unfortunately, it's much easier for a primarily male audience to relate to a hyper-masculine character (Kamina/eventually Simon) than it is to relate to a hyper-feminine character (Satsuki/eventually Ryuuko). |
jaycrest said: Just felt like watching it since their was a massive amount of fanart on it circling Pixiv and Deviantart. And I notice something... almost all the gals hate it and almost all the men likes it.. why? 'cause of the "fanservice" ... The fact that there are no girls on the Internet makes your claim seem somewhat specious. But for cereal, I've seen the opposite. Not that I find it very easy to tell. On MAL it's not too tricky - people with female avatars are male, and people with male avatars are 50/50 male/female (and people with Kirby avatars are deities composed of pure mental energy) - but on Reddit I can't relate, man, I can't relate. So let me rephrase my statement from "I've seen the opposite" to "JesuOtaku liked the first episode of Kill la Kill". |
| "There are no girls on the Internet" Only about 40% to 50% of the pop of the Internet. Anyway, yes, there's a lot of fanservice. No, it shouldn't have any less, it's perfect the way it is, why? Because your opinion doesn't fucking matter, if KlK will sell, it will do so in Japan, and if they want to make another season, they'll do it with the money they got from Japan. Gainax/Trigger is all fanservice, they're not for prudes like you. There's no way to make everyone happy, and I hope they'll never do so. They're pretty much making fun of every cliche used in Anime until now, they're making fun of fanservice too. The funny thing is that you can't really call it fanservice, because most of what's happening is relevant to the story, even the nudity (and no, fanservice isn't only sexual, it involves anything that isn't relevant to the story, transformations after the first one, explosions, random mook fights etc). |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
| More like Kill la Kill >= fan service with fan service being a subset of the appeals offered by the show. Besides, this kind of old art style does not boost hormone as much as the more contemporary moe artstyle, so yeah fan service it is but I would say the effect is not really on the same level. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| I don't even know how you guys call this "old art style", I find this as good as the "moe style", if not better. And I don't know what's so appealing to it, but it is. Isn't it more of a mix of the two styles, anyway? |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
Immahnoob said: The funny thing is that you can't really call it fanservice, because most of what's happening is relevant to the story, even the nudity (and no, fanservice isn't only sexual, it involves anything that isn't relevant to the story, transformations after the first one, explosions, random mook fights etc). Is that so? Ryuuko already transformed 2 times before she suddenly got a fanservice-y transformation sequence - Doesn't that exactly fall in the type of fanservice you just explained? Also there are alot of animes outthere (not to even mention hentais) were that stuff they do is relevant to the story... and now you want to tell me that is not fanservice? Yep... right... |
| "The fool who believed in miracles now walks among the dead." ~ Blade of the Phantom Master |
| All the times she transformed, she showed skin, the first time it was a need to show us the change in the outfit and how it does change, the other times it was fanservice. Now, you're implying fanservice is bad by default, which is wrong, I'm just saying there's not even as much fanservice as you guys seem to think there is. Anime*. And hentai has nothing to do with fanservice, exactly. What is relevant to the story is not fanservice. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
| Good Riddance |
| It is so dense. Every single image has so many things going on. |
| I feel that you are missing out. Sure there's fanservice but it works for this series. This series is crazy, but I LIKE IT! |
| It is. Since the first episode is more than clear than the whole show is based on the so-old trope of female fighting in skimpy clothing. But. At the beginning, KLK could have given the impression of playing it just for laughs, going along its craziness and absurdity: Ryuuko is aware of what she is wearing and is embarassed by it, everyone points it out and thinks she's a sexual deviant. However, Satsuki's speech and Ryuuko's later on in episode three seems to imply there's more to it. Just like Gurren Lagann was about boy becoming mighty MEN (symbolized by a DRILL to PIERCE THE HEAVENS, of all things), KLK might be, as well, about girls turning into women who don't give a fuck about society values in order to seize their goals and who accept themselves for who they are, considering the whole scene was glorified and the director's apparent love for coming-of-age stories, although it's a bit too early to judge the show. |
symbv said: More like Kill la Kill >= fan service with fan service being a subset of the appeals offered by the show. Besides, this kind of old art style does not boost hormone as much as the more contemporary moe artstyle, so yeah fan service it is but I would say the effect is not really on the same level. i agree with your point here. There is more to this show than just fan service. For example, the whole of episode 4 is a critic on the education system. The obstacle in no-late-day symbolises exams, where students who don't make the cut face an end to their education just like A-Levels, SAT, major school exams etc. KLK brings to our attention the privileges enjoyed by the elite students and social prejudices experienced by the mediocre students. The high speed railway near the end shows us how the rich can just pay their way to higher education without qualifications. All these should be quite evidential. While I totally respect those who just wants to sit back and enjoy the show, I feel sad that KLK is being dumb down as just another fan service anime. Underlying all these craziness is a show that examines the environment and issues we face growing up. |
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