Aerostar said: No. J.C Staff made Little Busters better, i'm sure Kyoani version would have been horrible. This LB Refrain will be awesome, just like the first season. KyoAni sucks; Not that Clannad and Kanon where bad anime; but they weren't very good adaptions either. In both cases the ending made no sense and Clannad AS was for a big part boring slice of life. |
| key is overrated in my opinion. Clannad (season 1) looked better than Little Busters visually, but the drama arcs were just as forced most of the time. I think for me it's not realyl important who animates it, the way key thinks of drama and emotion just doesn't work for me most of the time. Clannad AS had some very good moments though so I'm looking forward to Refrain even though I liked the first season a little less than Clannad S1. |
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: the way key thinks of drama and emotion just doesn't work for me most of the time. You imply the Key staff actually thinks about their horrible drama for preteens. anyway, the execution matters and not the studio. Haven't seen much from LB, but it did look alright from that standpoint. |
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
| But Key stuff ain't good. This thread makes no sense. |
| Well since people don't like Little Busters nearly as much as any of the other Key anime. Maybe. |
DramaEnthusiast said: Small note: What's with the Sunohara avatars lately? No idea. I noticed some other people had them too. Makes me feel less cool and original. |
Aerostar said: No. J.C Staff made Little Busters better, i'm sure Kyoani version would have been horrible. J.C. Staff made it below average. Refrain will end up the same way. The Kyoani version would've been much better |
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| Dunno how to answer this question since I don't like KyoAni. But for Little Busters by JC Staff, knowing its source material as a whole, I don't like its anime adaptation. Take note that this is coming from someone who played the VN already. I just like their works in general especially Rewrite and not because KyoAni did the anime adaptation. |
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| That doesn't make sense. How can something KyoAni adapted make the original good? Sure, it might make it a better experience. 2-D said: It wasn't cool and original, anyway. Sunohara's even more popular as Taiga when it comes to avatars.DramaEnthusiast said: Small note: What's with the Sunohara avatars lately? No idea. I noticed some other people had them too. Makes me feel less cool and original. |
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| I'm a fan of J.C Staff, though KyoAni really brought Kanon and Clannad to life. Clannad especially. All the Illusionary World scenes have a high quality value. |
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Diranko said: It wasn't cool and original, anyway. Sunohara's even more popular as Taiga when it comes to avatars. Hurt my feelings. Now I have to change my avatar. |
2-D said: Go for Akio. Haven't even seen a Akio avatar.Diranko said: It wasn't cool and original, anyway. Sunohara's even more popular as Taiga when it comes to avatars. Hurt my feelings. Now I have to change my avatar. |
| Lolis > Everything |
Tennouji_ said: But for Little Busters by JC Staff, knowing its source material as a whole, I don't like its anime adaptation. Take note that this is coming from someone who played the VN already. Could you elaborote on that a bit? I'm a huge fan of Key anime and visual novels but I've skipped over Little Busters after hearing they were making a second season. I wanted to wait till that was finished to watch it but is the anime really bad compared to the VN? If so I'd rather read the VN. |
2-D said: I have been told by multiple people that Little Busters! is Key's best VN, yet has the worst adaption. I haven't watched it, but I know I'd love it.Tennouji_ said: But for Little Busters by JC Staff, knowing its source material as a whole, I don't like its anime adaptation. Take note that this is coming from someone who played the VN already. Could you elaborote on that a bit? I'm a huge fan of Key anime and visual novels but I've skipped over Little Busters after hearing they were making a second season. I wanted to wait till that was finished to watch it but is the anime really bad compared to the VN? If so I'd rather read the VN. |
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2-D said: Tennouji_ said: But for Little Busters by JC Staff, knowing its source material as a whole, I don't like its anime adaptation. Take note that this is coming from someone who played the VN already. Could you elaborote on that a bit? I'm a huge fan of Key anime and visual novels but I've skipped over Little Busters after hearing they were making a second season. I wanted to wait till that was finished to watch it but is the anime really bad compared to the VN? If so I'd rather read the VN. Let's see... I'll use Haruka's route as my example(Well, when I saw how they adapted Haruka's route, I was totally pissed off). Haruka's route in the VN is more drama-heavy than Haruka's route in the anime. Spoilers for Haruka's route(In the VN): |
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DramaEnthusiast said: I don't want to sound like a prick or anything, but please stop making these damn KyoAni threads that are obviously only going to incite hate from the already vocal anti-moe faggots and the "Little Busters suckz!" crowds. From what I remember, let's base this. Air (Original): Either seen as one of Key's best anime, or as mediocre garbage. The latter is the common opinion. Kanon 2002: Universally panned. Kanon 2006 (Rebooted by KyoAni): Critically acclaimed. Clannad: Acclaimed harem, one of the most popular for the time. Also by KyoAni. Clannad After Story: KyoAni's greatest work of all time, and the stepping stone to Key's anime reaching their full potential. Angel Beats: Story conceived by Jun Maeda...handed to P.A Works for some reason. Awful. AWFUL. All the vast potential wasted. Little Busters: It is one of Key's best visual novels right? Just give it to KyoAni! J.C Staff...? And what culminated was what is believed to be one of their worst VN to Anime adaptions to date. Little Busters Refrain: Anyone looking forward to this? It's still in the hands of the dreaded J.C Staff. See where I'm coming from? Discuss your opinions. Anyhow, just because they were made by KyoAni doesn't mean a damn thing. Yes, they look great visually, but any competent studio could handle the adaptation just as well. Also, I find it interesting how you're bitching at Angel Beats (how the fuck is it "just awful" when you gave it an 8?!) and Little Busters (which you're basing your opinions only on what haters have said and MAL RANKINGS, which we all know are soooo accurate) and saying that they're horrible, when there are just as many people out there who are just as much a fanboy of those shows (*cough*the infamous faggot DraconisMarch*cough*) who would argue in ways quite contrary to what you're doing, which only goes to show how this thread is not so much discussion so much as it is...a blog post flamebait? I've played the Little Busters visual novel and, while I agree that certain things could have been handled better (as with ANY anime adaptation), the overall product was not bad by any means, and the only ones who bitch about it are either non-VN players who saw how hyped LB was and were expecting the next Clannad: After Story and VN players who, upon seeing that people didn't like their precious Key masterpiece, jumped at the helm to defend the sanctity of Little Busters by attacking the studio since there couldn't possibly be any flaws with the VN's story itself. Seriously, a criticism I hear outside of MAL often is that LB felt too slice of life-ish...you think?! That's how it's supposed to be, you dimwits. Also, Key did have the chance to let KyoAni animate Little Busters!, but Key's own president said that they were not willing to wait for their turn in KyoAni's animation queue (since they already have a schedule of things to be produced in the future) so they went elsewhere. So instead of bitching about J.C. Staff, why don't you bitch about how your beloved Key never learned the virtue of patience as a child? Seriously, please just stop. The only thing that tends to genuinely annoys me is anti-moe faggots spouting their filth, so please stop inviting that in here by making these silly threads that are inevitably going to bring up "KyoAni - moeblob - blah blah blah." Diranko said: I'm not really arguing over the quality of it, but he calls it an awful show while giving it one of the highest scores possible on MAL. It seems a bit contradictory to his own list of the 10 or so anime he's ever seen. AndyRayy said: It's not awful, but it still sucked. Not that it was bad, just that is was incredibly disappointing. So much wasted potential. I pray for a Angel Beats! VN and Anime re-make.Also, I find it interesting how you're bitching at Angel Beats (how the fuck is is "just awful" when you gave it an 8?!) EDIT: And if anyone but White Fox animates Rewrite, I will be one pissed off fan, that I will. |
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AndyRayy said: It's not awful, but it still sucked. Not that it was bad, just that is was incredibly disappointing. So much wasted potential. I pray for a Angel Beats! VN and Anime re-make.Also, I find it interesting how you're bitching at Angel Beats (how the fuck is is "just awful" when you gave it an 8?!) |
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AndyRayy said: EDIT: And if anyone but White Fox animates Rewrite, I will be one pissed off fan, that I will. But what if Ufotable decides to adapt Rewrite? /half serious, half sarcasm |
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Tennouji_ said: I've yet to see any of their shows, but from what I've heard and seen of them, they'd be a good choice visually. AndyRayy said: EDIT: And if anyone but White Fox animates Rewrite, I will be one pissed off fan, that I will. But what if Ufotable decides to adapt Rewrite? /half serious, half sarcasm I don't know how they'll do adaptation wise though. They only seem to have worked on a few very similar franchises so far, so I don't know how they'd handle a slice of life turned Plus the second opening (part of which I see on your profile!) looked gorgeous and was animated by them. Either way, as much as I love KyoAni, I don't want it to be them because Rewrite is unlike anything Key's done, and I don't know if they'd be as good at successfully adapting something so...different. At least given a sufficient budget, I'd be happy with J.C. Staff doing it as well, since they've covered a range of things that this would definitely fall under. |
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Mokkan said: You're being just as bias. Remember, opinions are always bias.DramaEnthusiast said: Angel Beats: Story conceived by Jun Maeda...handed to P.A Works for some reason. Awful. AWFUL. All the vast potential wasted. Little Busters: It is one of Key's best visual novels right? Just give it to KyoAni! J.C Staff...? And what culminated was what is believed to be one of their worst VN to Anime adaptions to date. Little Busters Refrain: Anyone looking forward to this? It's still in the hands of the dreaded J.C Staff. See where I'm coming from? Discuss your opinions. What? That's an incredibly biased way to look at it. I actually didn't mind either of Angel Beats/Little Busters artwork at all. For Key works, art's the last thing I prioritize into what's good. J.C. Staff has plenty of good shows and you're just not looking carefully enough. |
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Mokkan said: Looked like a troll post. Just ignore it.Diranko said: Mokkan said: You're being just as bias. Remember, opinions are always bias.DramaEnthusiast said: Angel Beats: Story conceived by Jun Maeda...handed to P.A Works for some reason. Awful. AWFUL. All the vast potential wasted. Little Busters: It is one of Key's best visual novels right? Just give it to KyoAni! J.C Staff...? And what culminated was what is believed to be one of their worst VN to Anime adaptions to date. Little Busters Refrain: Anyone looking forward to this? It's still in the hands of the dreaded J.C Staff. See where I'm coming from? Discuss your opinions. What? That's an incredibly biased way to look at it. I actually didn't mind either of Angel Beats/Little Busters artwork at all. For Key works, art's the last thing I prioritize into what's good. J.C. Staff has plenty of good shows and you're just not looking carefully enough. How am I trolling? I'm just stating that he shouldn't be so attached to KyoAni and open up to more studios but knowing OP, he's persistent. That being said I do like KyoAni, but not obsessed with it. As I said, opinions will always be bias towards something. It's like you pointed out the obvious. |
| Lolis > Everything |
| I didn't think that JC staff was the main reason I disliked Little Buster. So no, I disagree. |
| Kyoani's art was so ugly before. I like the moe art they have now but air tv was some scary shit. |
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Shuhan said: I can't disagree with you there (though I wouldn't say it was ugly, just...not as visually pleasing), but you have to remember that they adapted the art styles straight from the VN's. Kyoani's art was so ugly before. I like the moe art they have now but air tv was some scary shit. The moe they do now from their original works and Hyouka is pretty much 100% proportional, not unlike lots of what many people would call "non-moe" art styles. |
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DramaEnthusiast said: I'd say it's more of the louder opinion. The general ratings and opinions are fairly good outside of the die-hard moe-hater community.From what I remember, let's base this. Air (Original): Either seen as one of Key's best anime, or as mediocre garbage. The latter is the common opinion. Kanon 2002: Universally panned. It wasn't hated at the time -- it merely got displaced by the remake and the anime fandom's Inequality Fallacy ("being worse than something else makes something bad"). There was some criticism for some things omitted, but as with AIR, those are just limitations of the 13-episode format.Some others you didn't list: ONE: To The Shining Season (produced by KSS) -- considered slow-paced, boring, and nonsensical if you haven't played the game. ONE: True Stories (Arms) -- One of the best emotional drama and most coherent stories in the realm of hentai. Air the Movie (Toei) -- worse animation than the TV series, but a more focused story as it cuts out the secondary female characters. Clannad the Movie (Toei) -- Haven't seen it myself, though I know it's considered to be not as good as the TV series. |
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| I think you should be less of a fanboy and adopt some healthy pragmatic values into your thinking. If you don't, the one suffering in the end will be yourself. |
| No, you're too biased to KyoAni so shut the hell up. JC Staff doesn't suck (Uh, hello? They made Honey and Clover, Azumanga Daioh, Toaru Kagaku no Railgun, Toradora!, Nodame Cantabile, Bakuman, etc.) They're better than KyoAni. Air is mediocre. Kanon was good. Clannad was near good. (If you add the first season which is not good.). K-On! is crap (Haven't seen it fully but from the episodes I see on the TV, it's worthless) |
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| Considering that 3 of those listed are hardly any good, no. |
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| They're a lot better than Toei and JC Staff. That's for sure. Kanon 2006 is a fantastic adaptation. Clannad is a good adaptation too but they cut out some of the arcs and botched the ending pretty bad. I really wish they kept the part where Tomoya records himself rapping and tapes over Sunohara's music |
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| I actually liked Little Busters! then again I probably never will play the VN due to my shit download speeds 1.17~1.30 Mb down and that isn't during congestion time. But I gave it an 8/10 cause I didn't really enjoy it much as Angel Beats plus some of the episodes were just "meh" to me. Really looking forward to October though for Refrain! I have to say Toei is the worst when it came to the Key adaptions. KyoAni did a better job both art and plot wise for Kanon since it was 24~26 episodes for characters to develop than Toei's 12 episode version. Angel Beats it just needed more episodes imo for characters and plot to be fleshed out more then it would have been a 10/10 for me instead of 9/10 Air is probably the weakest KyoAni Key adaption to me I didn't like it to be honest. 6/10 here. Clannad is probably my favorite title that KyoAni adapted from Key and favorite Drama/Slice of life series. The movie handled by Toei is once again complete shit also awful art. |
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| KyoAni didn't become competent with Key until Kanon (2006). Little Busters! is J.C. Staff's first time with Key series but was still better than Air (TV) since Key could only have improved with their writing since then. KyoAni's worked with Key for several years while P.A. Works and J.C. Staff only had one show with them. Key anime got their fire from longevity and studio familiarity, not the studio itself. |
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| It's rather the other way around. Most non-Key series from KyoAni are mediocre at beast with few exceptions. |
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DramaEnthusiast said: pushed to masterpiece status by it's sequel series. If they mess this up, no one will forgive them. Masterpiece? Laughable. No-one will forgive them? Do you appreciate ANYTHING they do? They put in the hard work to get this out there for people to enjoy, and you act like some arrogant kid saying no-one will forgive them? PFFT |
| KyoAni regularly removes main characters, relevant story arcs, and so on from Key works. So no. JC Staff is even handling Little Busters better than KyoAni handled any of their adaptations of, well, anything from anyone. In terms of following the source material, at least - given half the cast isn't missing or turned into incestuous lesbian women (both things KyoAni has done). |
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DramaEnthusiast said: Aerostar said: No. J.C Staff made Little Busters better, i'm sure Kyoani version would have been horrible. Not true. Little Busters average score on all boards is a 7. That's an all-time low for Key anime. I'm pretty sure Refrain will get a higher score, just like Clannad After Story did compared to the first season. |
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| They both suck a ton. I don't really think Kyoto Animation "makes them good" when the source material is already shit. |
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samishime said: They both suck a ton. I don't really think Kyoto Animation "makes them good" when the source material is already shit. Even though I disagree, this comment is great LOL |
TallonKarrde23 said: Out of pure curiosity, in which KEY adaptations has KyoAni done this?In terms of following the source material, at least - given half the cast isn't missing or turned into incestuous lesbian women (both things KyoAni has done). |
| This thread is distorted.... I don't know about how good KyoAni adapted Clannad or other Key's VNs in terms of story, but I think KyoAni's adaptations have high production value compared for instance J.C. Staff's LB adaptation. Seikunai said: No, you're too biased to KyoAni so shut the hell up. JC Staff doesn't suck (Uh, hello? They made Honey and Clover, Azumanga Daioh, Toaru Kagaku no Railgun, Toradora!, Nodame Cantabile, Bakuman, etc.) They're better than KyoAni. Air is mediocre. Kanon was good. Clannad was near good. (If you add the first season which is not good.). K-On! is crap (Haven't seen it fully but from the episodes I see on the TV, it's worthless) If you nitpick it like that J.C. Staff looks like a really good studio. But.... Usually J.C. Staffs does 2 or more shows per season compared to KyoAni who only does max 1 show per season. So if you look at the proportion of good and bad shows of each studio, I would say that KyoAni is better and you're too biased toward J.C. Staff. One additional point, we're talking about Key adaptations here, not talking about J.C Staff as a studio vs KyoAni as a studio. In other word please stay in topic and only discuss the shows that actually related to the question Peten00b said: DramaEnthusiast said: Aerostar said: No. J.C Staff made Little Busters better, i'm sure Kyoani version would have been horrible. Not true. Little Busters average score on all boards is a 7. That's an all-time low for Key anime. I'm pretty sure Refrain will get a higher score, just like Clannad After Story did compared to the first season. I hope you're right, at the least they have to upgrade the visuals if J.C Staff want its LB Refrain to be as good as Clannad AS |
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