| I think it depends on the type of gamer you are, ask a COD fanboy and they'll say retro games are boring, ask a a heavy RPG player and he'll probably say he likes them. I really don't care about them, I barely played any retro games but I don't hate them. |
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| Games pre-SNES suck. I forced myself to play those old NES Mega Man games and they're boring. |
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| Depends on what you mean by retro. Certain SNES games like Megaman X, Yoshi's Island, Super Mario 3 or Zelda LttP are still quite enjoyable today. Retro retro games like those from the NES era were experimental. Gaming was still a new medium of entertainment and studios didn't have any set of rules to go by so they just tried all sorts of different things, many of them failing miserably. |
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| No, especially for western made titles, there's plenty of old but good and excellent western made games, current gen, not really unless you go through indie developers. |
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| Honestly, why are you so hung up on people "hating" old stuff? I see far more people complaining about people hating on old stuff, than I see actual people hating on old stuff. |
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| Actually i lke the old games more than the new ones. |
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DateYutaka said: Not at all. "Old stuff" applies to video games as well.Red_Keys said: Honestly, why are you so hung up on people "hating" old stuff? I see far more people complaining about people hating on old stuff, than I see actual people hating on old stuff. You miss took what i meant this topic for I may be off topic, but I still want to know what your obsession is. OnT: It depends on the individual game, not the time period it was released. |
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| retro games can be awesome but many especially the nes one have not aged well, pre NES many of those games border on unplayable |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Depends; an ACTUAL retro game? They are fine, there's nothing wrong with them. They are like any other game - the only difference is they were constrained by a lot harsher limitations than what we have now, which meant much more simple game mechanics, level design, etc. The main thing to keep in mind is that 'retro' style of games is only that way BECAUSE of those limitations, not because devs wanted them to be that way. A lot of people LIKE that old limited style, I find it okay from time to time but I don't see the point in holding myself back from enjoying the evolution of technology - so I typically keep up with things at time goes by and rarely go further back than PS2 era stuff. I don't think we should see "retro styled" games though, because that's like purposefully buying a CRT tv instead of an LCD or LED, it literally makes no sense and is a massive step backwards. So, I'd say it's fine if it's an actual older game. However, 'retro indie' games are fucking awful garbage pandering to the type of "gamers" who, well first off - call themselves 'gamers', plus the type who sit there playing an hour of CoD and saying what nerds they are. |
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Battlechili1 said: Cave Story might be regarded as an exception to your rule about retro style indie games. It looks and feels very retro, but the game is so incredibly good with its storyline and gameplay and characters that it doesn't matter. It's retro art style looks kind of cool though, even though they have updated the art with Cave Story + and Cave Story 3D. EDIT: Actually...I'd like to add onto this. I wish gaming consoles would stop improving. It's taking longer and longer and is getting harder and harder for the gaming industry to make good fun games. I mean, back during the NES and SNES era we'd get Mega Man games being pumped out like crazy. Nowadays, games don't get pumped out nearly that fast, especially not really high quality ones. :/ To the first part, just like the other thread we were talking in the other day - I suppose exceptions always exist. For the most part though, games that purposefully are 'retro' styled are just shit. As for the edit - the fact is consoles already hold back gaming as it is because of how slow they improve the technology. Gaming on PC is years ahead of what even the not-yet-released "next gen" PS4 and new Xbox can manage, which in turn holds back the majority of PC games because they often want a multi-platform release and thus have to make the game shit so it can run on a console. Hell, with the PS3 and 360 being the only current options, gaming on PC is already 10 steps ahead. The longer consoles take to catch up (they never will), the more shitty PC ports we'll get. As for " It's taking longer and longer and is getting harder and harder for the gaming industry to make good fun games. I mean, back during the NES and SNES era we'd get Mega Man games being pumped out like crazy." this wouldn't change even if no new consoles were made and we continued on the same hardware and software they use now. The reason they could pump out Mega Man after Mega Man is because of just how simple the games were - they literally just changed the design of a map slightly, changed the color of a boss, and there you go; "new game". They were the same exact game over and over and over and over. This DOES happen now, the problem is we're able to NOTICE and COMPLAIN about it nowadays much easier. Call of Duty, for example, has used the same exact engine, graphics, gameplay, and everything else for the past 5 or 6 releases. Mega Man games were the exact same way - the same game 99% with 1% of a difference from one to the next. You weren't getting a lot of good games - you were getting one game over and over again without expecting anything more than that, and thus not being bothered by it - because at the time, there was no sort of expectations on devs. If you like CoD that might be lost on you, but what I'm trying to say is that line of thinking causes shitty franchises to just get shittier. It's laziness - not good game design - it's rehashing with some palette swapping in hopes nobody notices you're ripping them off. |
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Battlechili1 said: Actually...I'd like to add onto this. I wish gaming consoles would stop improving. It's taking longer and longer and is getting harder and harder for the gaming industry to make good fun games. I mean, back during the NES and SNES era we'd get Mega Man games being pumped out like crazy. Nowadays, games don't get pumped out nearly that fast, especially not really high quality ones. :/ Every game doesn't have to try to push hardware to its limits. Look at Tomb Raider. Sold more than any other Tomb Raider if I remember correctly, and Square Enix still says the game was a failure. The costs of making these movie calibur games are just too high! Companies should keep it simple. Dreamcast era graphics are sufficient (or at least I think so). |
| They should stop at the PS3/360 generation in graphics, simply put it, it's too expensive to produce games and next gen will be even worse, we might have the Billion dollar AAA game next gen, heck there are games with 100+ million dollar budgets, that's way too much. |
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Hoppy said: Hey when a game like tomb raider that sells 3.6 million is a disappointment it's probably time to start scaling things back down. Flawed game if the games biggest attraction is the graphics.They should stop at the PS3/360 generation in graphics, simply put it, it's too expensive to produce games and next gen will be even worse, we might have the Billion dollar AAA game next gen, heck there are games with 100+ million dollar budgets, that's way too much. |
| Retro or bust. |
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| I have a big collection of retro consoles and games and I think they're awesome, I use my MegaDrive/Genesis and SNES/Super Famicom the most. I have almost every major game console released, the only ones I'm lacking are the Atari 2600 and the Wii-U. So yeah, I think retro games are awesome lol. I also have a Pentium 3 based PC which I use for retro PC games, I use that quite often as well. I just like the simplicity of old consoles. You put the game in and it just... works, well unless the cartridge or disc requires a good old clean anyway. With modern consoles such as the PS3 and 360, you have to deal with OS updates, game updates, required installs, online passes, stupid DLC which should have been in the game in the first place, the games also lag a lot on them, the quality on them is subpar compared to PC, and there's also the hardware failures. When it comes to modern games, I'll just use my PC. I don't like modern game consoles at all. Also with Anime, the age of it doesn't bother me. I watch anime which has stories which interest me. Obviously better animation is a plus, but I don't dislike retro anime. |
16-Bit-MegaDriveApr 12, 2013 9:38 PM
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| Retro gaming is some of the best gaming. I'm not a big fan of the NES, I think the limitations (low sprite limit, small color palette, too few buttons) hold it back too much, but the 16-bit era had some amazing games. Many of my favorite RPGs are on the Sega Genesis and Playstation. Hoppy said: They should stop at the PS3/360 generation in graphics, simply put it, it's too expensive to produce games and next gen will be even worse, we might have the Billion dollar AAA game next gen, heck there are games with 100+ million dollar budgets, that's way too much. I think that's one of the main problems with gaming these days, they cost way too much to make so developers have to simplify the games to appeal to more people. Back in the beginning of the industry development teams were just a handful of people, usually starting out as a hobby. They could make whatever games they wanted as long as it was fun, because they didn't need millions of sales to make a profit. I don't know exactly what is contributing to these bloated development budgets, but they have to find a more efficient way of funding them, or else the future of gaming (outside of the indie market) is going to keep heading downhill. |
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Narmy said: I don't know exactly what is contributing to these bloated development budgets, but they have to find a more efficient way of funding them, or else the future of gaming (outside of the indie market) is going to keep heading downhill. It's kind of a useless post on my part, but there was actually a really interesting piece about the bloat of budgets to developers after being taken in by a bigger company (such as EA) as well as the typical amounts of their overall budget they spend on each part of the budget (and how a shit ton is actually just for advertising/marketing research/etc rather than the actual game) that I saw recently. I say my post is useless because I can't remember where it was. If you feel like it, try looking it up though. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: It's kind of a useless post on my part, but there was actually a really interesting piece about the bloat of budgets to developers after being taken in by a bigger company (such as EA) as well as the typical amounts of their overall budget they spend on each part of the budget (and how a shit ton is actually just for advertising/marketing research/etc rather than the actual game) that I saw recently. I say my post is useless because I can't remember where it was. If you feel like it, try looking it up though. It wouldn't surprise me if that were the case for most big name games. I can't even fathom how something like the Call of Duty 4 sequels could cost $100+ million to make. The engine is already designed, the graphics and gameplay mechanics are often recycled, and the story is short. And the same goes for most other sequels flooding the market. |
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Yaver said: I think it depends on the type of gamer you are, ask a COD fanboy and they'll say retro games are boring, ask a a heavy RPG player and he'll probably say he likes them. I really don't care about them, I barely played any retro games but I don't hate them. LOL I totally believe this Philosophy, its so true! |
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Hoppy said: No thanks. This generation's games barely manage to run in HD and 30 fps, with blurry textures and noticeable tricks. The devs want new consoles. You don't need a 10 million dollar budget to take advantage of them. Hell, Sony are trying to attract indie devs. They should stop at the PS3/360 generation in graphics, simply put it, it's too expensive to produce games and next gen will be even worse, we might have the Billion dollar AAA game next gen, heck there are games with 100+ million dollar budgets, that's way too much. |
EzekielApr 13, 2013 12:20 AM
| Depends. There's no "every retro is the best", that's just something by fanboys. Every generation has it's goods and bads. But thanks to retro, we would've not got what's today I remember this debate about generations, well except none did 70's and they had that little "whose gonna stand for the 70's" jokes, since one did 80's, 90's and 21st cent each |
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| Hell yeah, Retro FTW, enough said! Where is Retro8bit, when you need him for these types of discussions lol |
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| Some do, like the first Dragon Quest. Talk about a grindfest. Then there are the obviously bad/impossible ones like Silver Surfer or Dr.Jekyll & Mr. Hyde. |
| This might just by my nostalgia talking but they are by no means boring. Hell I ever go back to games before my time (pre 16 bit) and get a lot of enjoyment out of it. In the end it just depends on the person and if they are willing to try a game before the seventh generation. |
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| Retro games are awesome. |
| I enjoy some retro games. I enjoy the graphics and the style. But the thing i dislike is gameplay that doesn't rival the gameplay we've got today. Like the Megaman NES series. The gameplay on that bored me. All in all, i still enjoy playing retro games. |
SammD said: I enjoy some retro games. I enjoy the graphics and the style. But the thing i dislike is gameplay that doesn't rival the gameplay we've got today. Like the Megaman NES series. The gameplay on that bored me. All in all, i still enjoy playing retro games. That is why retro rpgs will never loose their charm. Cause in the end its all bout the script, the story, the sound, music, the characters. I can play a classical rpg that is like 8 bit grapics but if the story is good, im all for it. Though that is not to say games like mario and donkey kong are not good. But yeah if your taking atari, that is just to old school for me. It has to be at least nes or better. |
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| Not at all i still play some old school games especially on my fat PS2 for imported games. |
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| In my opinion retro games are far superior to modern games. The last time modern games were actually innovative was last gen with the Dreamcast, PS2, Gamecube, and Xbox, of course that's not to say I hate all modern games, but there is just a lot less innovation and creativity happening with newer games and I'm tired of playing the same game over and over again. |
DeathNyx said: PS2 is not retro, they only retired it a few months ago.Not at all i still play some old school games especially on my fat PS2 for imported games. |
deadjames said: DeathNyx said: PS2 is not retro, they only retired it a few months ago.Not at all i still play some old school games especially on my fat PS2 for imported games. Depends on the region, it's retro in the US, EU, and Austalia, but not in Japan which had it's last game a few months ago. |
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| Anyone who automatically judges retro games as boring/sucky is dead to me. |
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Hoppy said: No, there were still games being released in the US then too, granted most of them were shitty EA and 2K sports games, but they were still being released nonetheless, but regardless of that just because it's retired doesn't make it retro, nothing from that gen is considered retro and that includes Dreamcast, Gamecube, and Xbox, the newest gen that is old enough to be considered retro is the PS1, N64, and Saturn gen and there are even some purists like AVGN that say those aren't retro because they have predominantly 3D games.deadjames said: DeathNyx said: PS2 is not retro, they only retired it a few months ago.Not at all i still play some old school games especially on my fat PS2 for imported games. Depends on the region, it's retro in the US, EU, and Austalia, but not in Japan which had it's last game a few months ago. |
Ghostony said: Anyone who automatically judges retro games as boring/sucky is dead to me. thumbs up |
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| Of course not. Two of my favorite genres, which I still play quite regularly, are interactive fiction and roguelikes. That's about as retro as it gets. I'm sure it depends on when you got into gaming. For me it was the mid 80s, so I would only consider the earliest 3d games (such as Battlezone, Elite, or Mercenary) retro. I need to see those wireframes! |
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