| I've noticed walking around my neighborhood, there is 0 Merry Christmas signs, mostly "Happy Holidays" and "Seasons Greetings". Is the government so paranoid they might offend a few people, that they change names completely. Where I live, the public schools, are not allowed to have "Christmas Concerts", "Christmas Carols", and anything with the word Christmas in it. Would you actually be offended if someone said "Merry Christmas" and not "Happy Holidays". Even in supermarkets, a lady told me "Merry Christmas" then apologized. I pretty much hate Political Correctness. |
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| I wouldn't care. Then again, I don't care about a lot of things. -eats cookies without caring- |
Eberhardt said: Even in supermarkets, a lady told me "Merry Christmas" then apologized. did you do anything to elicit an apology? |
kei-clone said: Eberhardt said: Even in supermarkets, a lady told me "Merry Christmas" then apologized. did you do anything to elicit an apology? Nope. I just smiled, she was packing my bag. When you work at certain markets, you have to be politically correct, she wasn't suppose to say Merry Christmas. |
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| I make it a point to firmly say "Merry Christmas" in every situation where people say Happy Holidays. Though, I do it for those golden moments when people stutter trying to say Merry Christmas back... so I'm probably not the best target for this question. Personally, I like Merry Christmas better. |
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| I'd say "I'll decide that for myself, thank you" and walk off. Really though, it's the thought that counts here, so I can't blame them for trying to be nice (or sarcastic). |
| I remember having our band director in high school mention how the parade in our town changed to the Children's Electric Light Parade. Although, it does say "Christmas" instead of "Light" on the town's website... Anyway, it's not something I've thought about. Most around me say Merry Christmas. I'll reply the same. |
| With all the commercial support it's been getting over the years I dont feel a connection between Christ and Christmas at all during the season. So I dont even consider it a religious day. it doesnt matter to me if people wish me a Merry Christmas, Happy Honnukah or a Happy Kwanzaa, it's just their way of season greeting. and I usualy say the same back. In my opinion Christmas could better bed Dubbed as SantaDay. since the majority only cares for the pressents anyway. And when your an adult it's a day for spending moneyz on gifts and good Phood. so much for the "Christ" in Christmas. |
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| Other than my family I only interact with people online, and if someone gets offended by randomized words on a screen I'll be damned. |
| I usually reply "Thank you, and the same to you". http://www.friendsoffoamy.com/videos/no-christmas-for-you-episode-064 |
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Rage-The-Dragoon said: With all the commercial support it's been getting over the years I dont feel a connection between Christ and Christmas at all during the season. So I dont even consider it a religious day. it doesnt matter to me if people wish me a Merry Christmas, Happy Honnukah or a Happy Kwanzaa, it's just their way of season greeting. and I usualy say the same back. In my opinion Christmas could better bed Dubbed as SantaDay. since the majority only cares for the pressents anyway. And when your an adult it's a day for spending moneyz on gifts and good Phood. so much for the "Christ" in Christmas. I call it Christmas, but I never considered it to be religious. I don't believe in god and all that, so it has no value for me anyways. I love Christmas because of the mood and all that, not because some nonexistent guy was born. |
Chavez said: Rage-The-Dragoon said: With all the commercial support it's been getting over the years I dont feel a connection between Christ and Christmas at all during the season. So I dont even consider it a religious day. it doesnt matter to me if people wish me a Merry Christmas, Happy Honnukah or a Happy Kwanzaa, it's just their way of season greeting. and I usualy say the same back. In my opinion Christmas could better bed Dubbed as SantaDay. since the majority only cares for the pressents anyway. And when your an adult it's a day for spending moneyz on gifts and good Phood. so much for the "Christ" in Christmas. I call it Christmas, but I never considered it to be religious. I don't believe in god and all that, so it has no value for me anyways. I love Christmas because of the mood and all that, not because some nonexistent guy was born. agreed on that. but I just stated it out to relate to the first post. |
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| im celebrating jesus, so merry christmas |
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Chavez said: It's universally known that Jesus was a real person, its weather or not you believe he was the messiah. KNOW YOUR HISTORY.Rage-The-Dragoon said: With all the commercial support it's been getting over the years I dont feel a connection between Christ and Christmas at all during the season. So I dont even consider it a religious day. it doesnt matter to me if people wish me a Merry Christmas, Happy Honnukah or a Happy Kwanzaa, it's just their way of season greeting. and I usualy say the same back. In my opinion Christmas could better bed Dubbed as SantaDay. since the majority only cares for the pressents anyway. And when your an adult it's a day for spending moneyz on gifts and good Phood. so much for the "Christ" in Christmas. I call it Christmas, but I never considered it to be religious. I don't believe in god and all that, so it has no value for me anyways. I love Christmas because of the mood and all that, not because some nonexistent guy was born. |
| Christmas isn't even a Christian holiday anymore (at least certainly not exclusively), what with it being so commercialized. The only part of Christmas that Christians got to keep was the name, at the cost of the name taking on new meanings. They now have to share the holiday with people of all beliefs. I'd rather accept that than try to be all politically correct by calling it some generic secular holiday name to try avoid all possibility of offending anyone. I don't believe in what Christmas was originally about, but I do celebrate it. I find my personal idea of Christmas meaningful to me, I don't care what people think. Crass marketing aside, I enjoy the atmosphere, lights etc of this time of year. People who get offended at "Merry Christmas" need to pull their heads out of their asses. |
| Christmas is just a day where we can all celebrate the joys of life, to be happy simply for that sole reason that we're alive and we have what we have. As well as to spend time with loved ones because we can and want to. Decorations aren't what makes a holiday, a holiday, more so the mood and the people around you. Spread the love <3. |
| I dont care who you are... Jesus is more epic than 90% of the people that ever walked this earth. At least show the dead guy some respect. He's the reason why YOU PEOPLE are getting computers and video games and anime (in reference to presents). So basically what im tryin to say is anyone who ENJOYS giving or receiving presents this season. Should be kissing jesus' feet. ...anyways i say it at work. People will generally know your GOOD INTENTIONS when you say it. So why the FUCK WOULD YOU BE A DICK and 'correct' them. Dont be an asshole people. Just take the "seasons greetings" and be on your goddamn way. ...can you tell i deal with people/customers everyday at work? Theres nothing worse than an asshole customer being an asshole just for the sake of being an asshole. You know who you are. |
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| The only people getting pissed about saying "Merry Christmas" are those extremely secular people who believe Christians are evil and are the reason for all the worlds problems. |
| No, but I tell every black person I see "happy Kwanzaa". |
Defiance said: The only people getting pissed about saying "Merry Christmas" are those extremely secular people who believe Christians are evil and are the reason for all the worlds problems. <insert comment here that would make me look like a satanic guy> |
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Ranivus said: I dont care who you are... Jesus is more epic than 90% of the people that ever walked this earth. At least show the dead guy some respect. He's the reason why YOU PEOPLE are getting computers and video games and anime (in reference to presents). wut lol, Jesus is Santa Claus? |
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| What is wrong with the words "Merry Christmas"? It's like saying, "Happy Birthday" or "Happy New Year". I don't see anything wrong with it.. I do realize that people are trying to link it to politics and religion, but that's nonsense! |
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Ranivus said: I dont care who you are... Jesus is more epic than 90% of the people that ever walked this earth. At least show the dead guy some respect. He's the reason why YOU PEOPLE are getting computers and video games and anime (in reference to presents). So basically what im tryin to say is anyone who ENJOYS giving or receiving presents this season. Should be kissing jesus' feet. ...anyways i say it at work. People will generally know your GOOD INTENTIONS when you say it. So why the FUCK WOULD YOU BE A DICK and 'correct' them. Dont be an asshole people. Just take the "seasons greetings" and be on your goddamn way. ...can you tell i deal with people/customers everyday at work? Theres nothing worse than an asshole customer being an asshole just for the sake of being an asshole. You know who you are. Christmas is a commercial idea of the 20th century, society just needed an excuse to force people to buy stuff and support the economy. Sure credit Jesus for the "Christmas" holiday, but keep in mind that he's just an excuse for the commercial celebration. We might just have called it "Santa day" or "Present day". |
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Defiance said: The only people getting pissed about saying "Merry Christmas" are those extremely secular people who believe Christians are evil and are the reason for all the worlds problems. I can't say I'm too fond of Christianity (or more accurately the Christian church as an organization) or many of the things it's arguably responsible for, though I'd really rather not derail the thread by delving into that any further, but in this case I'm much more bothered by people who think that protesting the use of "Merry Christmas" or other such things (ten commandments on display in a courthouse, etc.) is somehow meaningful and not just petty and ridiculous. |
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| LoL @ mr. rani fani's response. ANYWAY, no I wouldn't care. I say "Happy Holidays" though anyway, just in case. |
| I say something that could be translated as "Merry Festivities". I know that's what everyone means when they say "Merry Christmas", therefore it does not make sense to get offended. But, anyway, I don't agree with the exploit of Christmas/Yule/Saturnalia/Whatever and don't give presents or ask for them. I just wish the party is nice and the food (oh, the food) is good as well. |
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| people that complain about that kind of stuff are the people that I hate the most. happy holidays is kind of more superior though since it includes like everything, even new years. |
| I would care because almost everyone today is an asshole, and the person who said it must have an ounce of kindness in them. |
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| I suddenly feel ignorant. This is the first time I heard saying Merry Christmas is not correct. I think I prefer people to wish me a Merry Christmas, since "Happy Holidays" sounds like something you would tell someone on a Friday, much like "Have a nice weekend" |
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| No, I wouldn't really care. Here, people say that anyways. I seriously think we had a Christmas concert once, I don't exactly remember though. Nobody bothers with "Happy Holidays" here. |
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| I personally wouldn't get offended, BUT People do get offended. Most of you may not associate it with a religion, but guess what? It is. It is specifically tied down to a specific religion. People who don't follow said religion can very easily get offended. I personally hate when someone is trying to shove a religion down my throat...and I can see how people can see it that way. I think Happy Holidays is a perfect way to go. It encompases all religions that are celebrating their seasons. You can't please everyone obviously, but think thats a happy medium, and thats what I say. I don't say Merry Christmas to anyone. That is a rude assumption on my part. |
Aarana said: I really don't see how saying "Merry Christmas" is shoving my religion down somebody's throat. Even if you aren't a Christian, it is perfectly fine to celebrate the birth of the philosopher and humanitarian that Christ was.I personally hate when someone is trying to shove a religion down my throat...and I can see how people can see it that way. |
Rage-The-Dragoon said: With all the commercial support it's been getting over the years I dont feel a connection between Christ and Christmas at all during the season. That's because technically, there isn't one. Christianity chose 12/25 as "Christ's Birthday" because there was already a Roman holiday on that day and they didn't want to compete with it, so they just adopted the day. Over time, its become less and less like a religious holiday, and more of an excuse to splurge. I'm not sure exactly when his birthday was, but I think I heard it was supposed to be some time in Spring.... Personally, it doesn't bother me when people say Merry Christmas. I'm not Christian or anything, but I can understand the sentiment of goodwill. When I hear it, it's just another greeting to me. I did hear of a case about a year or so back where some Jewish people were trying to sue some store because they said Merry Christmas to them. Things like that are just ridiculous.... |
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Aarana said: People do get offended. Most of you may not associate it with a religion, but guess what? It is. It is specifically tied down to a specific religion. People who don't follow said religion can very easily get offended. I personally hate when someone is trying to shove a religion down my throat...and I can see how people can see it that way. It may have ties to a specific religion, but it's pretty far from trying to shove that religion down your throat (which I loathe as well) unless the person is just using said well-wishing as a springboard to launch into some "reason for the season" diatribe. I even have a hard time understanding how someone could get offended by the words "I'll pray for you." versus simply being grateful for the fact that they actually care enough about you and whatever your plight to do so. Unless it's one of those condescending I'll-pray-for-you's that some Christians like to fall back on when they've soundly lost an argument and still want to have the last word. Getting offended by something as petty as a "Merry Christmas" to me would imply that the person is simply looking for an excuse to act offended and draw attention to themselves like some middle school drama whore. And people like that aren't worth paying any attention to in the first place, and doubly unfit for any friendly well-wishing. |
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llxwarbirdxll said: The government is full of pagans and heathens. And what's wrong with that? |
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| I hate people saying to me merry christmas. It's like they want me to say something back xD and if I don't they think I'm asocial... idiots |
Krelian said: Getting offended by something as petty as a "Merry Christmas" to me would imply that the person is simply looking for an excuse to act offended and draw attention to themselves like some middle school drama whore. And people like that aren't worth paying any attention to in the first place, and doubly unfit for any friendly well-wishing. Ditto It's not like people want you to join their religion at any given moment. They are just wishing the best they can, and if the best they can has a religion included... What can we do? |
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| No, I wouldn't care in the least. I would probably just nod and think to myself "Yeah whatever, Christmas sucks, go off to some corporate orgy and buy your shallow family some worthless gifts that they'll return in mid January." |
| Christmas is pretty much the best thing out of all the religions so I guess the people against saying "Merry Christmas" are just jealous of its awesomeness! Disclaimer: This comment is intended to be funny because it's true. |
Azamat said: Ranivus said: I dont care who you are... Jesus is more epic than 90% of the people that ever walked this earth. At least show the dead guy some respect. He's the reason why YOU PEOPLE are getting computers and video games and anime (in reference to presents). So basically what im tryin to say is anyone who ENJOYS giving or receiving presents this season. Should be kissing jesus' feet. ...anyways i say it at work. People will generally know your GOOD INTENTIONS when you say it. So why the FUCK WOULD YOU BE A DICK and 'correct' them. Dont be an asshole people. Just take the "seasons greetings" and be on your goddamn way. ...can you tell i deal with people/customers everyday at work? Theres nothing worse than an asshole customer being an asshole just for the sake of being an asshole. You know who you are. Christmas is a commercial idea of the 20th century, society just needed an excuse to force people to buy stuff and support the economy. Sure credit Jesus for the "Christmas" holiday, but keep in mind that he's just an excuse for the commercial celebration. We might just have called it "Santa day" or "Present day". Santa Claus was a actual person, but he was a saint back in the day. He traveled Europe giving presents to poor children. |
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| I think poor Nicholas is overrated. |
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| I LOVE it how people read my posts. Makes me warm and fuzzy inside. I said I can see how people would and could be offended. Im not offended, and I don't think someone saying "Merry Chrismstmas" is throwing a religion down my throat, BUT I can see how someone may take it that way. Part of understanding and accepting the world is understanding and accepting how people think and feel. I know that I think the way I think. However, its very presumptuous of me to assume that another person will think like me. Thats why I said I can see why some people may think that way. If a person who is Jewish heard "Merry Chrismas" all day long over and over, I can see how that may grate on a persons nerves. It bothers SOME people. SOME people take offense to things like that. And Yes, Christmas is a religious holiday. It doesn't matter how many presents you attach to it, or athiests that celebrate it. Its the the 'day' (I do say that lightly) that Christ was born. No matter how many "I don't think it has religious attachment" arguments there are that will not disuade that. You personally don't think its attached to a religion for yourself (which is fine), but as a holiday by its definition is religious. |
kuroshiroi said: Christmas is pretty much the best thing out of all the religions so I guess the people against saying "Merry Christmas" are just jealous of its awesomeness! Disclaimer: This comment is intended to be funny because it's true. Dancing naked to the moon. Nothing pwns that, not even Jesus. <3 Funny enough, during this time most Western (as in "central", taking Greenwich as middle) religions had a celebration that in someway included exchanging gifts. The three kinds had to copy the idea from somewhere, after all. xD Also, there are countries where you only receive the Gifts the 6th January, because it was the day the Kings arrived and presented Jesus. So all the celebration should be the 6th instead? I love how companies ignore these cute facts and do not use them to sell useless stuff during more days. |
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Aarana said: I wasn't getting onto about your own personally opinion, but I was saying that for ANYONE to take it so offensively is just a defensive prick. If anyone should be offended it should be the Christians themselves, who are an overwhelming majority to be such a victim of this reverse discrimination. It's like its a crime to be a Christian nowadays.BUT I can see how someone may take it that way. It's like I said earlier, even if you aren't a Christian, Christ was an outstanding philosopher and humanitarian. So if you were to remove Christmas, you should remove Martin Luther King Jr Day as well. |
Defiance said: Aarana said: I wasn't getting onto about your own personally opinion, but I was saying that for ANYONE to take it so offensively is just a defensive prick. If anyone should be offended it should be the Christians themselves, who are an overwhelming majority to be such a victim of this reverse discrimination.BUT I can see how someone may take it that way. It's like I said earlier, even if you aren't a Christian, Christ was an outstanding philosopher and humanitarian. So if you were to remove Christmas, you should remove Martin Luther King Jr Day as well. Im sure not everyone celebrates it ;) There are many holidays that I don't agree with being nationalized, just for the fact that the goverment claims that it has a seperation of church and state. However, I like having the days off from work (anytime the stock market is closed i get off!) to sit around and do nothing :D I like how they do it with other religions. If you celebrate something different, then you are able to request holiday time from work. I tried to get St. Patricks day off one year and they laughed at me though. Can't an Irish girl have her time? ;) |
Aarana said: I LOVE it how people read my posts. Makes me warm and fuzzy inside. I said I can see how people would and could be offended. Im not offended, and I don't think someone saying "Merry Chrismstmas" is throwing a religion down my throat, BUT I can see how someone may take it that way. Part of understanding and accepting the world is understanding and accepting how people think and feel. I know that I think the way I think. However, its very presumptuous of me to assume that another person will think like me. Thats why I said I can see why some people may think that way. If a person who is Jewish heard "Merry Chrismas" all day long over and over, I can see how that may grate on a persons nerves. It bothers SOME people. SOME people take offense to things like that. And Yes, Christmas is a religious holiday. It doesn't matter how many presents you attach to it, or athiests that celebrate it. Its the the 'day' (I do say that lightly) that Christ was born. No matter how many "I don't think it has religious attachment" arguments there are that will not disuade that. You personally don't think its attached to a religion for yourself (which is fine), but as a holiday by its definition is religious. I suppose that's directed at me? If so, I'd throw the same right back at you, as I never said anything at all about you particularly getting offended or anything of the sort. We differ in that while I can certainly understand the logic one might use to justify such a reaction, I find it both petty and near-painfully absurd, no more comprehensible than if someone blew up at a coworker for telling them to have a good weekend. Christmas is definitely a religious holiday - there's no arguing that no matter how commercialized it gets - but implying that someone taking offense to two words attempting to convey friendship and goodwill is somehow defensible is a bit much for me to swallow. And honestly, I'm not really sure how such a person would manage to survive this world without promptly blowing a gasket if they can find so much to be upset about in such a harmless little phrase. |
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Krelian said: Aarana said: I LOVE it how people read my posts. Makes me warm and fuzzy inside. I said I can see how people would and could be offended. Im not offended, and I don't think someone saying "Merry Chrismstmas" is throwing a religion down my throat, BUT I can see how someone may take it that way. Part of understanding and accepting the world is understanding and accepting how people think and feel. I know that I think the way I think. However, its very presumptuous of me to assume that another person will think like me. Thats why I said I can see why some people may think that way. If a person who is Jewish heard "Merry Chrismas" all day long over and over, I can see how that may grate on a persons nerves. It bothers SOME people. SOME people take offense to things like that. And Yes, Christmas is a religious holiday. It doesn't matter how many presents you attach to it, or athiests that celebrate it. Its the the 'day' (I do say that lightly) that Christ was born. No matter how many "I don't think it has religious attachment" arguments there are that will not disuade that. You personally don't think its attached to a religion for yourself (which is fine), but as a holiday by its definition is religious. I suppose that's directed at me? If so, I'd throw the same right back at you, as I never said anything at all about you particularly getting offended or anything of the sort. We differ in that while I can certainly understand the logic one might use to justify such a reaction, I find it both petty and near-painfully absurd, no more comprehensible than if someone blew up at a coworker for telling them to have a good weekend. Christmas is definitely a religious holiday - there's no arguing that no matter how commercialized it gets - but implying that someone taking offense to two words attempting to convey friendship and goodwill is somehow defensible is a bit much for me to swallow. And honestly, I'm not really sure how such a person would manage to survive this world without promptly blowing a gasket if they can find so much to be upset about in such a harmless little phrase. If I was directing it at you, I would have quoted you. There were many replies, so my answer was generalized. Having a good weekend and having a Merry Christmas are two very different things, they can't even be compared. You may not get offended, don't assume that someone else is obsurred for prefering not to accept the well wishes of a holiday they don't support nor celebrate. It may be a harmless phrase for you, but for others its much more important. Some people take their religions very very seriously, and can get offended at things like that. Yeah, it may seem silly to most to get offended at a simple thing as a saying, but the same exact thing can be said about many many other words in the English language, ones I won't even mention because I don't want to derail, but many cultures hold many different meanings to words, just like religions do. To Christians (or other people who celebrate Christmas) "Merry Christmas" means "good cheer" and "well wishes" to people who don't celebrate it, it may mean "happy jesus's birth day!". Im sure there are plenty of people who brush something off they don't agree with, but there are others who don't. |
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