Fullmetal Alchemist
| I don't think that it's overrated or underrated. Personally, it's one of my favorite shows, with a brilliantly structured plot, interesting characters and antagonists, action, and comedy. It's okay if someone doesn't like it. |
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ecimir said: It was interesting at the beginning, had some great mysteries and relations to be solved but it disappointed me a lot. More than half of characters I found childish and annoying or simply uninteresting. After 20 episodes I guessed correct about 90 percent what will happen next so I was often bored. In my opinion its way overrated and doesn't deserve to be in at least top 30. Pretty much exactly how I feel about it too. The characters are not all that great. I hardly even remember most of their personalities other than the badly timed jokes about Ed(is that his name?)'s height -.- Yes it's pretty generic shounen compared to a masterpiece like Hunter x Hunter 2011. I admit it does pull of a few of the darker themes but those few good moments are not nearly enough to justify the absurd rating on MAL. It saddens me so much that this is not only the highest rated shounen, it's the highest rated anime. And it's so far ahead of Steins; Gate and Clannad After Story. I could understand if it was maybe just 9.19 score and switched between 2nd and 1st at least with Steins;Gate. Though imo it should not be in the top 30 even. If there has to be a shounen at #1 is should be Hunter x Hunter 2011. |
IntroverTurtle said: Yes you are the only one on this site that has an opposite opinion about a popular and highly rated anime on this site. Any more questions? yes |
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| While I can somewhat see how someone could consider FMA overrated, I don't understand how they couldn't at least find something to enjoy the characters. From my experience, FMA has the most memorable and, overall, well developed cast of characters of any anime I've watched, ESPECIALLY for a shounen. There aren't really any character tropes to be found here, most of the characters are fairly unique, and a lot of them are just plainly awesome. I'd see FMA:B being criticized for its pretentious plot, trying to do too much, or toying around with "darker" themes without actually devoting itself to them (something FMA 03 did far better, IMO). I'd disagree with all those things, but I can definitely see where that opinion comes from. But criticizing the series for its characters? Weird. |
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| It's totally one of the best animes I've seen but uh yeah, I haven't seen too many... Still I think it's a very interesting show and for probably the first time in my life, there is not a single character that really pisses me off or make me cringe. There are a hella lot of overrated shows out there but I don't agree that FMAB is one of them. |
lalabella said: there is not a single character that really pisses me off How does Pride not piss you off? Little wanker made me want to commit child abuse on him for most his screen time. |
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| FMAB was great but imo not the best. It was as good as shounen gets I suppose and didn't leave much to hate about it which explains the high rating it got. Ed and Alphonse were boring main characters compared to the whole host of much more interesting side characters. The side characters were definitely the show's biggest strength as none of them fell under an archetype. Might have been better if there was a different main character. I found it weird how they started 10 ep arcs on the slightest of whims such as 'seeing their master for training' or 'finding out how to use eastern alchemy' and then their goal is promptly forgotten. In the end of arcs they never accomplish what they first set out to do. Not to mention that Ed and Al barely grew in the series, they were basically the same as they were at ep 1. Also the main plot of the anime was given away really early in the series which killed a lot of the tension and made it predictable. These were some of my main gripes with the anime that doesn't make it number 1 for me but it's definitely one of the better animes I've seen. |
| I wouldn't say Brotherhood is bad, but I would agree to it being over-rated. Being #1 on all of MAL though, that's just wayyy over-rated. Fullmetal Alchemist as a whole is good, but this version was terribly paced and had many issues. Just because there's more action scenes, , and including more characters with a plot more connected to the manga shouldn't make everyone mindlessly say it's perfect since it is the true Fullmetal Alchemist. The original Fullmetal Alchemist was, in the least, better and more exciting as visual entertainment. The manga may be better, haven't read so not sure, but Brotherhood is most likely a very bad adaptation to film, or the manga might be over-rated too. This story is more along the lines of a typical shounen than the original series. |
| Everyone who calls anything overrated according to MAL ratings must obviously not know MAL ratings work. Just because the general public disagrees with you does not mean the general public is wrong. You are just simply one with the hipster and unpopular opinion, and your insignificant hipster opinion is completely irrelevant to the bigger picture. FMA:B belongs in number 1 because that's what the users of the site thinks. Just because that's not were you'd rate on your own personal ranking scale does not mean that the MAL ranking is wrong. |
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Korrvo said: Everyone who calls anything overrated according to MAL ratings must obviously not know MAL ratings work. Just because the general public disagrees with you does not mean the general public is wrong. You are just simply one with the hipster and unpopular opinion, and your insignificant hipster opinion is completely irrelevant to the bigger picture. FMA:B belongs in number 1 because that's what the users of the site thinks. Just because that's not were you'd rate on your own personal ranking scale does not mean that the MAL ranking is wrong. The word over-rated exists for a reason and it's not wrong that people use that vocabulary to their advantage. And thinking that it is over-rated isn't a "hipster opinion" if it can be explained, which I could easily explain it. I didn't see it's popularity and go in to watch it so I can say how much it sucks. The original FMA is popular too, and I ended up loving it. |
Piegoose said: Whether or not you can explain why you think something is overrated is still completely irrelevant to whether or not it's a hipster opinion or not. Your opinion may be more well-thought out, more mature, and have a clearer viewpoint, but it still doesn't matter when you think a show deserves #60 when it's clearly listed as a #30.Korrvo said: Everyone who calls anything overrated according to MAL ratings must obviously not know MAL ratings work. Just because the general public disagrees with you does not mean the general public is wrong. You are just simply one with the hipster and unpopular opinion, and your insignificant hipster opinion is completely irrelevant to the bigger picture. FMA:B belongs in number 1 because that's what the users of the site thinks. Just because that's not were you'd rate on your own personal ranking scale does not mean that the MAL ranking is wrong. The word over-rated exists for a reason and it's not wrong that people use that vocabulary to their advantage. And thinking that it is over-rated isn't a "hipster opinion" if it can be explained, which I could easily explain it. I didn't see it's popularity and go in to watch it so I can say how much it sucks. The original FMA is popular too, and I ended up loving it. It's not overrated just because you think otherwise, because a well-thought out opinion and show quality are not things that determines one's stance on MAL's rating scale. The only thing that matters is how well it appeals to the masses, and higher or lower quality does not necessarily equate to how well it appeals to the masses. They are nothing more than shallow popularity contests. As long as it has the ability to appeal to the masses, such as catering to their most primitive entertainment desires, then people's definitions of what makes a show good or not simply do not matter. They are irrelevant because that's not what MAL ranks by. That's why there is no such thing as "overrated" or even "underrated" shows when it comes to MAL rankings, because MAL rankings are not ranked by your definition of show quality, they are ranked by popularity. |
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Korrvo said: That's why there is no such thing as "overrated" or even "underrated" shows when it comes to MAL rankings, because MAL rankings are not ranked by your definition of show quality, they are ranked by popularity. I think you might be confused as to what "overrated" and "underrated" even mean. |
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Miyuuchuu said: Piegoose said: This story is more along the lines of a typical shounen than the original series. I admit I haven't watched FMA 2003 (trying to get Brotherhood out of my mind so I won't have any biases), but executing a long running adventure shounen really well is what makes the series for me. I guess for me, I was able to feel emotionally invested in the world because of the whole execution. Sure, the ending might have been predictable, but I felt like I journeyed with those characters and I did breathe that sigh of relief and had tears of joy. Those are just my two cents. Everyone is free to dislike the series if they want to, of course. And that opinion isn't wrong. I would say that I didn't feel that way about it as the pacing left much to be desired. The story was also narrowly focused into one plot-goal that was generally predictable. A large percentage of the series was steps needed to be taken to reach the predictable end-goal, which wasn't too satisfying with no twists to keep interest inbetween. That is what the original series did right, and I would recommend watching it. Korrvo said: Whether or not you can explain why you think something is overrated is still completely irrelevant to whether or not it's a hipster opinion or not. Your opinion may be more well-thought out, more mature, and have a clearer viewpoint, but it still doesn't matter when you think a show deserves #60 when it's clearly listed as a #30. It's not overrated just because you think otherwise, because a well-thought out opinion and show quality are not things that determines one's stance on MAL's rating scale. The only thing that matters is how well it appeals to the masses, and higher or lower quality does not necessarily equate to how well it appeals to the masses. They are nothing more than shallow popularity contests. As long as it has the ability to appeal to the masses, such as catering to their most primitive entertainment desires, then people's definitions of what makes a show good or not simply do not matter. They are irrelevant because that's not what MAL ranks by. That's why there is no such thing as "overrated" or even "underrated" shows when it comes to MAL rankings, because MAL rankings are not ranked by your definition of show quality, they are ranked by popularity. Generally when someone says something is overrated they don't mean those who like it are wrong. It more means if you are someone who has higher expectations, this thing may not appeal as much to you as its acclaim might make you believe. It is a useful tool for criticizing, and it is good to have people who criticize and not only boast their love. If you're claim of something being overrated is justified, no wrong done. If you're claim of something being overrated is only because you want attention and want to seem cool/different, you're a hipster. There is no solid definition in the dictionary for hipster, but your definition of hipster covers most of the intelligent people in the country. Mine, and most people I've seen use the term, cover people who act against the flow for the sole purpose of acting against the flow. That is not what I'm doing, therefore not a "hipster opinion". |
| ^You're not listening so I'm not addressing you again. ZaldiuntheGerman said: Go look it up.Korrvo said: That's why there is no such thing as "overrated" or even "underrated" shows when it comes to MAL rankings, because MAL rankings are not ranked by your definition of show quality, they are ranked by popularity. I think you might be confused as to what "overrated" and "underrated" even mean. |
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Korrvo said: ^You're not listening so I'm not addressing you again. I beg to differ, but whatever floats your boat. |
| Of course not...but that just means you are part of the conglomerate of bad taste. |
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OtakuHipster said: FMAB is a "overrated" piece of cow shit....OH NO MY UNPOPULAR OPINION MAKES EVERYONE RAGE!! So if my opinion differs from the masses Im automatically wrong? MAL ratings are nothing but popularity ratings...also take into consideration that the FMAB fanbase largely is ages 12-21....120,000 rated FMAB a 10....we are supposed to take ratings from kids seriously? I would rather be a individual than a robot who likes things because everyone else does..with all that said Fuck FMAB for bein overrated and Fuck its elitist fanbase!! I dont know if you are a troll or no...but relax man xD |
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| It's good but yeah, it's overrated. |
OtakuHipster said: FMAB is a "overrated" piece of cow shit....OH NO MY UNPOPULAR OPINION MAKES EVERYONE RAGE!! So if my opinion differs from the masses Im automatically wrong? MAL ratings are nothing but popularity ratings...also take into consideration that the FMAB fanbase largely is ages 12-21....120,000 rated FMAB a 10....we are supposed to take ratings from kids seriously? I would rather be a individual than a robot who likes things because everyone else does..with all that said Fuck FMAB for bein overrated and Fuck its elitist fanbase!! I smell troll. You're probably too young to take the series in analysis and see it out of context. |
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OtakuHipster said: FMAB is a "overrated" piece of cow shit....OH NO MY UNPOPULAR OPINION MAKES EVERYONE RAGE!! So if my opinion differs from the masses Im automatically wrong? MAL ratings are nothing but popularity ratings...also take into consideration that the FMAB fanbase largely is ages 12-21....120,000 rated FMAB a 10....we are supposed to take ratings from kids seriously? I would rather be a individual than a robot who likes things because everyone else does..with all that said Fuck FMAB for bein overrated and Fuck its elitist fanbase!! Then there's people who hate whatevers popular just because it's popular, seems like you fit into that category. Maybe it's rated that high because people actually loved it? You don't have to agree with that but don't just call people robots because they loved a show that other people happened to love as well. |
| Was just discussing somewhere else and decided to return to leave my point out for clarity (which doesn't mean what I wrote before wasn't relevant, still was a genuine response you missed). Korrvo said: Whether or not you can explain why you think something is overrated is still completely irrelevant to whether or not it's a hipster opinion or not. Your opinion may be more well-thought out, more mature, and have a clearer viewpoint, but it still doesn't matter when you think a show deserves #60 when it's clearly listed as a #30. You're going off your own take of the definition of hipster (Where I live, people use the word to describe people who are into uncommon things for the sole purpose of being different/unique), and also not taking into account the critical usefulness of the term "overrated", which is why it does matter. The term is not used in protest of a different average score. Korrvo said: The only thing that matters is how well it appeals to the masses, and higher or lower quality does not necessarily equate to how well it appeals to the masses. Overrated isn't used to appeal to masses, it's used in small encounters for discussing with like-minded people who might not agree with MAL's average, and maybe a bit to others who stop by as a persuasion to a different perspective. Korrvo said: As long as it has the ability to appeal to the masses, such as catering to their most primitive entertainment desires, then people's definitions of what makes a show good or not simply do not matter. Tell that to just about any critic. Spreading various opinions and various explanations only makes people wiser with more viewpoints to understand just what it is they're getting into. If discussions were stuck with circle-jerkers, things would be boring and no progress would be made. Korrvo said: They are irrelevant because that's not what MAL ranks by. The goal of claiming something as "overrated" isn't to change the average score. The goal is to inform like-minded people why they might not enjoy the show like the sheep you describe. Korrvo said: That's why there is no such thing as "overrated" or even "underrated" shows... That's true, in fact there is no overrated/underrated shows. However, in subjectivity there is. No single person agrees with everything of another person to the 100% mark (if so it won't happen again) which means everyone will end up feeling the term, even if they withhold its usage. You may learn something here: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1276959 Gymkata said: To say that objectivity has no place in critical analysis is rubbish. It's purpose isn't to prove, but to persuade. |
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OtakuHipster said: oh silly fan girl, your probably too stupid to click on my profile and see my age...oh no Ive offended you by stating I dont like your favorite anime, how do you solve this problem? by stating points on why Im wrong and why FMAB is a Masterpiece? no you resort to name calling...who is the real troll? who is too young? OBVIOUSLY its not me. Well how you stated your opinion was asking for criticism. It was as if you just broke up with your gf then went online to take off some heat. OtakuHipster said: MAL ratings are nothing but popularity ratings...also take into consideration that the FMAB fanbase largely is ages 12-21....120,000 rated FMAB a 10....we are supposed to take ratings from kids seriously? 21 year-olds are kids? Far from it. OtakuHipster said: I would rather be a individual than a robot who likes things because everyone else does..with all that said Fuck FMAB for bein overrated and Fuck its elitist fanbase!! You complain about how people will presume things when you state an unpopular opinion, then you turn around and presume people who like the show like it because it's popular. Hypocritical? |
| Not as overrated as most other anime here on MAL lol. |
| Not really; SNK/SOA, they're what you call overrated. |
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ecimir said: It was interesting at the beginning, had some great mysteries and relations to be solved but it disappointed me a lot. More than half of characters I found childish and annoying or simply uninteresting. After 20 episodes I guessed correct about 90 percent what will happen next so I was often bored. In my opinion its way overrated and doesn't deserve to be in at least top 30. While I do agree that it was somewhat predictable, since it followed the same pattern of painting a character in a bad light then showing how it only looked that way. However the anime does have a lot of originality, especially with the Homunculus and Father. Does that outweigh the only criticism I have for it? Certainly. If you found characters like May and Yoki annoying, you must really find most other animes impossible to watch. Yoki was funny in the right moments, giving you breathing space when it was really needed. May was just an amazing character and if you can't appreciate her symbolism of childish desire and naivety then that's fine. Though each to their own, I hope you did enjoy the other 10% you didnt predict, since imho this anime is great is so many categories. |
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| Probably not. But hey, it's your opinion. |
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| Not really, it fully deserves its love imo. |
ziggy_Z said: Not really; SNK/SOA, they're what you call overrated. BH is closer to SAO than SNK ever was. Also, neither of these two are overrated. BH gets critical acclaim while being a typical shonen. Hence, being overrated. |
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| dont think its overrated.. ppl like to give a good rating when they enjoy something. And when its more than others anime, they give a 10/10 (like me) and if they dont like it, they give a bad rating (different taste) .. who cares. better than those wannabe hipster anti mainstream critic elitists. "ohh look at me, im so alternative and dont like mainstream. I post on sub forums from anime i dont like to show the world how unique i am and intellectual superior." :D |
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Narutotaku said: Lolwut?well, its not a perfect 10 on MAL for a reason! |
| I've watched both FMA and FMA:B a few years ago, I really liked the setting but I surely didn't like the main characters. I would have rated it 7-8/10 at that time, now, after quite a while and much rustiness on my part, I would rate it 6/10. Could someone explain me why this show got so popular? What makes it so good to be ranked as FIRST? What awe did I miss? What haven't I understood? I'm clearly lacking somewhere if I'm that much off the choir. That bothers me! Please, be serious and detailed, as I have no trolling or flaming intent. |
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RollTheJoint said: I've watched both FMA and FMA:B a few years ago, I really liked the setting but I surely didn't like the main characters. I would have rated it 7-8/10 at that time, now, after quite a while and much rustiness on my part, I would rate it 6/10. Could someone explain me why this show got so popular? What makes it so good to be ranked as FIRST? What awe did I miss? What haven't I understood? I'm clearly lacking somewhere if I'm that much off the choir. That bothers me! Please, be serious and detailed, as I have no trolling or flaming intent. Or.....you could just read through the first few pages of this thread where that question is answered. |
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RedRoseFring said: Or.....you could just read through the first few pages of this thread where that question is answered. Muri muri!! Jeez that option was way too exhausting and you know it. Luckily for me the kind user who posted after you did it for me! @Kitten320: Man, that was truly... enlightening! Thank you very much for the effort you put in that answer! You sure made up my mind, I need to watch it again, even if long shounen aren't my cup of tea, even if I don't like the MC (fucking kind and goody kiddos!I hate them! is what came to mind). You perfectly highlighted its strongest points and now, before even watching it again, I do grasp why it stands out in his league. Thanks again! |
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| It should be in top 20 but number 1? I dont think so... |
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VongolaShadzzo said: It should be in top 200 but number 1? I dont think so... ftfy yes |
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| Even the Top anime (and best ever) is not exempt from having those who cannot appreciate its greatness. |
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| Ishvalans were taken from Hunter x Hunter, so no. |
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RedRoseFring said: ThisEven the Top anime (and best ever) is not exempt from having those who cannot appreciate its greatness. |
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| It's a show that elitists and casuals alike can find enjoyable. Hence the high rating. |
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| No, you're not the only one who thinks this show is overrated. I mean, I disagree, and I love it to death, but I do admit that it has its flaws, and I can understand why people wouldn't like it. OtakuHipster said: FMAB is a "overrated" piece of cow shit....OH NO MY UNPOPULAR OPINION MAKES EVERYONE RAGE!! So if my opinion differs from the masses Im automatically wrong? MAL ratings are nothing but popularity ratings...also take into consideration that the FMAB fanbase largely is ages 12-21....120,000 rated FMAB a 10....we are supposed to take ratings from kids seriously? I would rather be a individual than a robot who likes things because everyone else does..with all that said Fuck FMAB for bein overrated and Fuck its elitist fanbase!!  |
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| My favorite part about this anime (and the manga) was the relationship between Ed and Al and what they are willing to sacrifice for each other. |
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