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NicoleB said: JReitan said: NicoleB said: Zmffkskem said: Excessive indulgence in socialising would be damaging But how exactly? I can't see any reason why this would be the case. I explained why to you before, Nicole. Excessive socialization is a good thing as long as one watches how and whom he socializes with carefully. That hasn't got anything to do with socialising itself. It has to do with your judgement. "Excessive socialization" implies a negative tone because of the word excessive. It means that one is socializing more for the sake of socializing than anything else. I'd rather call this talking more than socializing. And I think we already know the consequences of talking too much rather than listening and doing other things. |
NicoleB said: JReitan said: NicoleB said: Zmffkskem said: Excessive indulgence in socialising would be damaging But how exactly? I can't see any reason why this would be the case. I explained why to you before, Nicole. Excessive socialization is a good thing as long as one watches how and whom he socializes with carefully. That hasn't got anything to do with socialising itself. It has to do with your judgement. I agree. At a stretch, the only negative conclusion I can think of from excessive socialisation is if a person becomes utterly dependent on their hectic social life that they can no longer cope by themselves. But that is only if they become so dependent on socialising. |
Allecto said: I agree. At a stretch, the only negative conclusion I can think of from excessive socialisation is if a person becomes utterly dependent on their hectic social life that they can no longer cope by themselves. But that is only if they become so dependent on socialising. There are more negative conclusions than that, you just have to be creative. Another would be one who starts to use polished words and phrases more often as a result of socializing a lot. Soon enough, his words will mean more than his actions and he may forget that doing what you say is also what's important in life. Another would be a comedian who socializes for the sake of getting other peoples' intentions. Except the problem with this guy is that his sole goal in life is to get everyone in the world to look at him and see what a shining star he is. Another would be one that falls into the shallow depths of the river of modern stupidity all for the sake of making himself just be a "normal guy without many problems." You'll see this guy going, "Yeah, brosky!" "Wooordddd." "Dude, that shittss hotter and nastier than ever!" "Look man, I'm just trying to get my balls wet here." It's possible. Very possible. |
JReitan said: Face_Faith said: Anyway, I get the idea, I mean I can understand why it's annoying, but there's nothing I can do about it, so I accept it... If you cared about the future of the world, you could do something to prevent the increase in social awkwardness from Otakus!!1!1!! I'm not sure if you're being serious or not here ._. |
| Otaku's are getting laid. According to this article, anyway. http://japandailypress.com/japanese-women-find-otaku-men-attractive-enough-to-settle-down-with-083702 |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
| The Western population tends to have less worry about being an "otaku" because we are generally far less concerned about social appearance than in Japan. In Japan there's a focus on reforming yourself to fit commonly accepted standards and becoming a useful member of society...while in a country like America, there is more of a focus on individuality and being whoever you want to be; plus there are a lot of mixed cultures here, so tolerance has naturally been heightened in many ways. |
| oh god pj you made my day |
| ~"The place to improve the world is first in one's own heart and head and hands." (Pirsig) |
Post-Josh said: Otaku's are getting laid. According to this article, anyway. http://japandailypress.com/japanese-women-find-otaku-men-attractive-enough-to-settle-down-with-083702 The amusing thing about is the way they constantly refer to the women as "regular girls", it's never occurred to them that women can be "otakus" as well. While I'm sure there are some non-Anime/Manga/Gaming fans who married "Otakus", I think the majority of them would also be fans too. |
| "If you love someone Follow your heart Cause love comes once If you’re lucky enough" |
Post-Josh said: meh, not like otaku implies they're ugly or anything.Otaku's are getting laid. According to this article, anyway. http://japandailypress.com/japanese-women-find-otaku-men-attractive-enough-to-settle-down-with-083702 also i don't understand this new line of thinking. how does marrying into mediocrity, and social-ineptness supposedly lead to a warm and rewarding family life? i know studies always say women tend to go for 'beta-personality' types for marriage, but i do wonder how the actual application of something like that works in terms of a good family life. and when it winds down to it, culturally-speaking, this idea is pretty similar to that 'hipster wedding' article in that both of them are examples of the internet generation romanticizing the struggles and hardships of being young and being perfectly content with that. |
| Cooler than being a disgruntled football fan like 99% of Britian. |
NicoleB said: The amusing thing about is the way they constantly refer to the women as "regular girls", it's never occurred to them that women can be "otakus" as well. While I'm sure there are some non-Anime/Manga/Gaming fans who married "Otakus", I think the majority of them would also be fans too. I didn't notice that haha, good eye. I want to be "regular". Annoiato said: meh, not like otaku implies they're ugly or anything. also i don't understand this new line of thinking. how does marrying into mediocrity, and social-ineptness supposedly lead to a warm and rewarding family life? i know studies always say women tend to go for 'beta-personality' types for marriage, but i do wonder how the actual application of something like that works in terms of a good family life. and when it winds down to it, culturally-speaking, this idea is pretty similar to that 'hipster wedding' article in that both of them are examples of the internet generation romanticizing the struggles and hardships of being young and being perfectly content with that. No, but mediocre looks generally coincide with very introverted/ "nerdy" hobbies. I assume emotional security and sincerity are part of it. "Mediocre" people are usually more content with what they have, and would place a lot more value on their wife as opposed to a great looking, rich, "player" type figure (most women don't want to be a trophy wife, they want to be actually loved). They're more likely to be honest, hardworking, less self-entitled, and have a better understanding of fairness, since they're had a "blue collar" sort of life. "Mediocre" people don't set their ambitions too high, but they value the stability they do have over trying anything crazy that could blow up in their face, like rich people occasionally do. Better values will be instilled upon your kids. I guess you could summarize it all by saying an average marriage and average life seems much more genuine, real, fulfilling, and all that. Obviously those are all sweeping generalizations that I don't necessarily agree with, just throwing out potential trails of thought. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
| I finally just gave up on IRL friends throughout high school and only had a few close friends that I actually enjoyed talking to. Most of my friends came from either Spam Casual Chat or the anime convention I go to once a year. Being social then really sucked and the internet and anime and all of these other anime fans were just way more interesting than anyone that went to my school. So I did kind of become a socially inept "otaku", I guess. Although I wouldn't really consider myself an otaku. I haven't watched that much anime. Sometimes it's just easier. |
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Obviously those are all sweeping generalizations that I don't necessarily agree with, just throwing out potential trails of thought. Sweeping generalizations are horrible trails of thought to encourage. |
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| Not trying to encourage them, just brainstorming. That said, some of them are based on arguably correct claims. Such as: "having to work for what you get makes you more appreciative and less self-entitled", etc. It could also just be that, thanks to increased discussion about social norms/conventions, more people are realizing that looks and money aren't everything. Maybe that's too simple, I don't know. |
JoshJul 31, 2012 1:40 PM
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Post-Josh said: Not trying to encourage them, just brainstorming. It could just be that, thanks to increased discussion about social norms/conventions, more people are realizing that looks and money aren't everything. Maybe that's too simple, I don't know. Aren't the "computer nerdy type" more likely to be rich anyway these days? |
| "If you love someone Follow your heart Cause love comes once If you’re lucky enough" |
| Maybe you're used to talking to yourself but when you brainstorm in a conversation involving other people you are encouraging other people to add to the thoughts you have brought up. |
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NicoleB said: Post-Josh said: Not trying to encourage them, just brainstorming. It could just be that, thanks to increased discussion about social norms/conventions, more people are realizing that looks and money aren't everything. Maybe that's too simple, I don't know. Aren't the "computer nerdy type" more likely to be rich anyway these days? If their nerdy hobby actually improves a marketable skill, like computer programming, yes. I was thinking more of otaku. Watching anime or reading manga doesn't directly improve any marketable skill, in most cases. Anime_Name said: Maybe you're used to talking to yourself but when you brainstorm in a conversation involving other people you are encouraging other people to add to the thoughts you have brought up. How rude. I thought you meant I was encouraging others to believe those trails of thought, as you said "it's horrible to encourage those thoughts". Of course I'm encouraging other people to add, build, or argue. Precisely the opposite of what you have done, I might add, haha. If you think they have no validity you could have just said so. |
JoshJul 31, 2012 1:48 PM
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Post-Josh said: If their nerdy hobby actually improves a marketable skill, like computer programming, yes. That's where I was going with it, just look at Bill Gates. It could just be those women are taking an investment gamble? :| |
| "If you love someone Follow your heart Cause love comes once If you’re lucky enough" |
| I suppose as more and more women have higher paying jobs, there is also less incentive to marry based on income. Stay at home Dad? I'd be down. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
| There is that too. |
| "If you love someone Follow your heart Cause love comes once If you’re lucky enough" |
| I am the Holy Lord of Otakuness! Fear me and my flabbiness! |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
| looking for permission to insult people seriously thats why i prefer mmorpgs, i can flame all i want there if i do here 1 of the atleast 10 fanboy mods i have will instantly take action |
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Post-Josh said: Otaku's are getting laid. According to this article, anyway. http://japandailypress.com/japanese-women-find-otaku-men-attractive-enough-to-settle-down-with-083702 This article makes me feel... less motivated. |
JReitan said: Post-Josh said: Otaku's are getting laid. According to this article, anyway. http://japandailypress.com/japanese-women-find-otaku-men-attractive-enough-to-settle-down-with-083702 This article makes me feel... less motivated. we all japanese women inside don't we |
| ~"The place to improve the world is first in one's own heart and head and hands." (Pirsig) |
Regicide said: we all japanese women inside don't we No, it's not just that... it's just that i'm worried about what the world will look like once other cultures follow-suit... but perhaps it's needless worrying. It was going to happen one way or another, we do have 7.2 billion people in this world right now and it's growing. |
Post-Josh said: I suppose that is true as a general outline. But I think that this mentality is seriously based too much on instinctive emotions rather than logic.No, but mediocre looks generally coincide with very introverted/ "nerdy" hobbies. I assume emotional security and sincerity are part of it. "Mediocre" people are usually more content with what they have, and would place a lot more value on their wife as opposed to a great looking, rich, "player" type figure (most women don't want to be a trophy wife, they want to be actually loved). They're more likely to be honest, hardworking, less self-entitled, and have a better understanding of fairness, since they're had a "blue collar" sort of life. "Mediocre" people don't set their ambitions too high, but they value the stability they do have over trying anything crazy that could blow up in their face, like rich people occasionally do. Better values will be instilled upon your kids. I guess you could summarize it all by saying an average marriage and average life seems much more genuine, real, fulfilling, and all that. Obviously those are all sweeping generalizations that I don't necessarily agree with, just throwing out potential trails of thought. One could also argue that an ambitious rich male would have to be extremely hardworking to get where he is and thus would equally appreciate the virtue of hard-work and dedication. Likewise, a highly successful husband would equate to literally, the availability of hundreds of more opportunities for the children, and family. Generally speaking, the children of the high class remain high class, as do their children, and so forth. Social class is a very stagnant pool of water that rarely changes. Money and success isn't happiness, but for every family living the 'struggling but heartwarming and loving two-room apartment' life, there are countless families struggling to make ends meet or providing for their family, which can lead to a lot of emotional distress, and so forth, coupled with the fact that divorce in Japan is not the coin-flip that it is here in America, you're looking at a lot of problems in this 'average family'. Sure I make it out like gold-digging, but it's not any more shallow than women going for Otaku for stability. |
Annoiato said: Money and success isn't happiness, but for every family living the 'struggling but heartwarming and loving two-room apartment' life, there are countless families struggling to make ends meet or providing for their family, which can lead to a lot of emotional distress, and so forth This is true, unfortunately love just isn't enough for a relationship to last. It's sad, I wish it was enough, but it's not. There is a lot more to it. |
| "If you love someone Follow your heart Cause love comes once If you’re lucky enough" |
| Good points, yeah, it's up for debate. I guess the most objective measure of how hard someone has worked would be how much they've improved upon their initial situation. What's that about how divorce in the middle class tends to work in Japan? Never learned about that before. Aside: I remember everyone in one of my labour economics courses cheering when a professor said a variation of "you usually end up as well off in life as when you started", haha. Oh, rich people. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
| otakus are mainstream now, wait 2 years until people realize how retarded and lame most of them have become and it'll change years ago it was metalheads, they were the new cool/open minded and all, then there were many metalheads so many of them were retards and ruined the reputation of the few good metalheads same goes with so many other styles, hippies and hiphopers and wat not otakus is even worse than metalheads tho, i dunno im an otaku i guess but i find the community on MAL plain annoying, i dislike 90% Of the posts i read here (thats why i skip many of them) , the kids gone crazy its like a nightmare if i had access to bombs, i'd make way for new civilization, thats how bad it is |
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incisorr said: otakus are mainstream now, wait 2 years until people realize how retarded and lame most of them have become and it'll change years ago it was metalheads, they were the new cool/open minded and all, then there were many metalheads so many of them were retards and ruined the reputation of the few good metalheads same goes with so many other styles, hippies and hiphopers and wat not otakus is even worse than metalheads tho, i dunno im an otaku i guess but i find the community on MAL plain annoying, i dislike 90% Of the posts i read here (thats why i skip many of them) , the kids gone crazy its like a nightmare if i had access to bombs, i'd make way for new civilization, thats how bad it is Your incessant complaining on this anime forum never ceases to amuse me. |
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GloriousHawk said: Cooler than being a disgruntled football fan like 99% of Britian. This is the most straight to the point answer this discussion has produced.  |
"You sit on a full-moon lotus-cushion of white light In the hundred-petalled full bloom of youth." Patrul Rinpoche |
Post-Josh said: the japanese are not as liberal with divorces as americans, it's kind of a signaling that you 'failed' or something. there are families that refuse to file for divorce if it means keeping up their appearances among friends, colleagues, etc.Good points, yeah, it's up for debate. I guess the most objective measure of how hard someone has worked would be how much they've improved upon their initial situation. What's that about how divorce in the middle class tends to work in Japan? Never learned about that before. Aside: I remember everyone in one of my labour economics courses cheering when a professor said a variation of "you usually end up as well off in life as when you started", haha. Oh, rich people. |
| Otaku is a Japanese word that refers to people who have particular interest in a particular topic or hobby. The word has a derogatory meaning, but used by some, often jokingly, as an honorary designation. |
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incisorr said: otakus are mainstream now, wait 2 years until people realize how retarded and lame most of them have become and it'll change years ago it was metalheads, they were the new cool/open minded and all, then there were many metalheads so many of them were retards and ruined the reputation of the few good metalheads same goes with so many other styles, hippies and hiphopers and wat not otakus is even worse than metalheads tho, i dunno im an otaku i guess but i find the community on MAL plain annoying, i dislike 90% Of the posts i read here (thats why i skip many of them) , the kids gone crazy its like a nightmare if i had access to bombs, i'd make way for new civilization, thats how bad it is Metalheads were never cool. Annoiato said: the japanese are not as liberal with divorces as americans, it's kind of a signaling that you 'failed' or something. there are families that refuse to file for divorce if it means keeping up their appearances among friends, colleagues, etc. Ah, I see. I think somewhere in between is best, not that that is relevant. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
spinecollect said: Your incessant complaining on this anime forum never ceases to amuse me. Watch out he's philosopher and all. Sorry, /offtopic Geek/Nerd are becoming cool all over the world anyway. I guess it's another internet side effect. |
 I sometime have funky grammar, sorry about that. If you can correct some of my post, you would be an angel. |
Japanese women find otaku men attractive ... * provided that they have a stable job and good yearly income. |
bottle said: Japanese women find otaku men attractive ... * provided that they have a stable job and good yearly income. yeah that means i can get laid quickly someone let me e-five them |
| ~"The place to improve the world is first in one's own heart and head and hands." (Pirsig) |
| people abuse the word "Otaku" like they are one.... fuck off weeaboo loser |
| It's amusing how most people who claim to be an "otaku" don't know that depending on the context that it's being used in, it can be used as an insult towards them.. :/ |
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heroesandthieves said: It's amusing how most people who claim to be an "otaku" don't know that depending on the context that it's being used in, it can be used as an insult towards them.. :/ I think most of them actually know that, but a lot of insults which were originally very offense to a group have in time changed so that they don't find it offensive anymore. I think that's the case here too. |
| "If you love someone Follow your heart Cause love comes once If you’re lucky enough" |
| I hate it when people use that word. It's not cool. It's meant to be an insult. Just stop it. |
SamRavster said: I hate it when people use that word. It's not cool. It's meant to be an insult. Just stop it. The last time I went to the London Expo they were selling shirts which had the word "otaku" on them in big bold letters. They were selling amazingly well, in fact people were putting them on straight after buying them. Cool or an insult, or an insult that has become cool, I simply don't know anymore. |
Allecto said: SamRavster said: I hate it when people use that word. It's not cool. It's meant to be an insult. Just stop it. The last time I went to the London Expo they were selling shirts which had the word "otaku" on them in big bold letters. They were selling amazingly well, in fact people were putting them on straight after buying them. Cool or an insult, or an insult that has become cool, I simply don't know anymore. It's basically the same as the N-word, or even Bitch. Words that were originally meant as insults which have since changed, besides I doubt those shirts would of sold so well in Japan as opposed to outside of it (or probably even outside of Asia). |
| "If you love someone Follow your heart Cause love comes once If you’re lucky enough" |
Post-Josh said: Metalheads were never cool. You're a kid, what would you know? I actually have first hand experience when it comes to different groups of people and how they are accepted by society and by youth and by girls overall |
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incisorr said: Post-Josh said: Metalheads were never cool. You're a kid, what would you know? I actually have first hand experience when it comes to different groups of people and how they are accepted by society and by youth and by girls overall incisorr, maybe you should be taking into account that there are cultural differences from one country to another, and maybe metalheads being cool is a phenomenon restricted to your cultural area - Bulgaria. |
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