Trigun Episode 22 Discussion

Secura said:
I love the random appearances of the black cat.

RyanMortos said:


Me too but I don't recall seeing it in this episode. Perhaps I'm wrong this would be the first.

Yeah I was a little surprised he was unwilling to kill the worms too. Though somehow I found it funny. Still he was in a mexican standoff with the fourth gung-ho gunman. Seems the enemy succeeded in splitting up Vash and wolfwood. Shame. Maybe the ending of this series Vash finally does kill someone. Knives obviously has a death wish.

AlexSadist-sama said:
I agree with what Wolfwood did. Vash is funny, but I hate the not-killing part of him. It's just annoying.

UfGator11 said:

Lol...I keep thinking of Kenshin while watching Trigun. Watching Vash is getting irritating. Just think of all the people he could have saved in the past if he had killed just a few. To make up for this, he better kill Knives in the end.

gswelcome said:
why i'm supposed to agree with Vash and feel sorry for the deaths of these murdering psychos is beyond me... though it is cute he believes in such drivel, makes him who he is :)

UfGator11 said:


Lol...I keep thinking of Kenshin while watching Trigun.

Scribbly said:

Also this episode had some of the worst animation I've ever seen in anime; anyone else see Wolfwood's cigarette smoke just hanging in midair?

Brustablett said:
he doesn't seem to care that the food he eats once were living beings.

MaxVdub said:


i noticed this as well lol. cigarette smoke's movement depended on him talking. i also thought the animation of the last episode felt cheap as well. oh well.


this is, IMO, a false equivalency. i think you can justify killing an animal to eat it if you do so humanely. being a vegetarian on this planet is presumably not an option as there is so little plant life. actually, now that i think of it, what do cattle eat, then? this is a fucked up ecosystem lol. also, if you want to get Really Hippy, plants are technically life as well, they just (we presume) have less capacity for pain and suffering than animals, but we have no real way of knowing if this is the case. any way you slice it, unless you are able to derive your energy from sunlight as those on the bottom of the foodchain do, you must end life to sustain life.

also, my assumption is that these worms are not normally a threat to humans as they immediately stopped attacking and left when he destroyed the device on the boy's head. vash didnt want to kill innocents that were being controlled against their will.

ALSO, it seemed like vash was in the process of diplomacy at the end. his words were clearly having an effect before wolfwood stepped in and cut the negotiations short. definitely wasn't a black and white "wolfwood was right, vash was wrong and an idiot idealist" situation at all, which is likely what the creators intended.

it's supposed to be morally ambiguous and was also clearly a call back to the scene on the ship where the captain had to make a snap decision and chose to jettison the dude pointing the gun at Rem.

animalia said:
My main problem with Vash's idealism is that in embracing his Idealism he tends to forget that in his case his life is NOT just his own. This is because If Vash died who would stop Knives? In this you can argue that Wolfwood killed Zazie not just to save Vash but to save every human being on the planet. When Rem risked her live only her own life was at stake not anybody else's

Also while I agree with Vash in PRINCIPLE that is killing is ALWAYS wrong, it is one of the core principles of both Christianity and Buddhism after all. It is sadly sometimes a NECESSARY wrong.

Finally I think this episode shows just how pragmatic Wolfwood is. As shown in this and other earlier episodes he CLEARLY loves children, yet we saw here that he was willing to kill one if he thought it was necessary. You know it has to tear him up inside, but he does it anyways because he feels it was what had to be done.

Meritas said:

You are not. I myself do not agree with Vash, even though his way of doing things make him who he is.

There was no telling if the kid would forgive Vash, anyway.

As the end is near, we're finally seeing characterization. I finally like this show even if it had to become so harsh for the purpose.


My thoughts exactly, lol.

Blazed88 said:
except kenshin was pure drivel and nobody died. at least we get to see both sides with priest. instead of self righteous spouting from a former assassin....

DaydreamHero said:


I think Wolfwood did the right thing, but I still respect Vash's code. It takes more courage and more resolve than anyone else in this show has demonstrated. That being said, that kid was a "demon" (whatever that means in this show) and not a regular Child and that should not be ignored, he might be an adult that just maintained the appearance of a child. Yes Vash objecting to the killing of those worms was annoying, but in the end they didn't have to kill any of them anyway.

Still I respect Vash's code because it works for him and it inspires others. People can hate on Vash's beliefs all they want, but the fact is he's survived for over 100 years practicing these beliefs. That being said I'd like to see Vash permanently injuring more vilans like Kenshin would. Also Vash could really use some more effective weapons like a taser or some sort of bullet that can electrify an enemy. Also he aught to use rubber bullets more, that way he could shoot someone in the head or something and not kill them.

In the end I believe the world needs Wolfwoods and Vashes. Practical people willing to dirty their hands only when absolutely necessary and only with careful thought. And Idealistic people, willing to risk their lives to push the boundaries of what is considered "possible", people who inspire others towards a higher level of love and peace towards each other.