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Apr 22, 2012 8:55 AM
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Tamaki believes that her headaches are caused by events related to the barrier. She tries to find out more about the seal.

The teacher definitely knows more than she's letting on.

Mm, everyone tells each other what they like and don't like.

The artifact is revealed and there are 5 unique objects that makes it up.







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Apr 22, 2012 9:31 AM
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i thought this episode was pretty good compared to the first 3 episodes. the fight scene definitely improved since episode 2.
Apr 22, 2012 10:08 AM
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Wow, a relatively decent fight but Tamayori side sucks.

How could they not notice that Vier is their teacher, idiots.

The best thing for me are still the moments when Tamaki gets embarrassed and they are not that great to be honest.

The worst thing are these stupid scenes before the preview starts and one of the guys talks to us, Ohmi today was gay (no offence to the homesexual side).

This has still a lot of room for improvements.
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Apr 22, 2012 10:48 AM
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The enemy group introduced themselves and got what they wanted to get back. Just because she hasn't awake with her power, she cannot restore the seal.

The preview guy this ep. is the long hair guy.
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Apr 22, 2012 12:14 PM
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Battle visuals were great, especially Mahiro, Takuma, and even Shinji offering the supper skills for Mahiro's moves. I like the effects they had with it. For this genre, it seem rather compelling and makes me hope we get even more through the remainder of the 26 ep run. I also couldnt help but notice the high quality background visuals, really nice.

Character wise it was nice learning of their hobbies, of course the Tamayori princess had to have the most hilarious one, that made me laugh like Mahiro.

Babe sama looked so distressed at the end there after the bracelet was taken, hopefully the princess's power can be realized before Logos Monado gets more. I guess next is Shinji in the preview, cant wait.
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Apr 22, 2012 12:45 PM
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I seem to be missing a couple of things here.

Tamaki's grandmother seems to expect her to be doing something, but she's sure not being very helpful or forthcoming with information. She wouldn't see Tamaki earlier when Tamaki came to ask questions, and now, it's to late.

The seal is broken? Shouldn't the Evil Spirits be lose now? Or maybe it's just seriously weakened. Or maybe the Evil Spirits are a little slow and haven't noticed yet ;)
Apr 22, 2012 1:04 PM
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MUCH better than the previous episode in terms of story, pacing and action.

Visuals are still as gorgeous as ever :).

O-Chan the Kitsune is sooo adorable! :D
Apr 22, 2012 1:55 PM
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Man I so loved the part where Mahiro laughed, his voice was just perfect :D
Takuma was cute in this episode, he failed to hide his love for taiyaki :D
Apr 22, 2012 1:57 PM
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the fight scene was getting pretty good, until the guardians got their asses HANDED to them

monado and her accomplices now have an artifact, cant wait to see the repercussions
the grandma's pretty scary, reminds me of the sonozaki grandma from higurashi x]

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Apr 22, 2012 3:38 PM

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A decent fight, and somehow it feels short
Apr 22, 2012 5:04 PM

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Without thinking about my opinion I give this show a 7/10 but I'm loving it in gigantic proportions :D maybe my favorite of this season.
Apr 22, 2012 5:30 PM
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It was nice to see something happen this episode. Thank god the guardian team got flat out smashed in the fight, I was getting tired of Tamaki and her personal protectors strolling around. I really hope that Tamaki learns how to do something useful in the next episode. Wonder if they'll ever get that artifact back?
Apr 22, 2012 9:24 PM

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In the beginning why did they even have to speculate that they were part of a team?? Just to reveal the meaning behind their names? It was pretty obvious.

And at first they say they are going to leave her out of battles but then just drag her along anyway...

Hmm... not liking this anime like I was hoping. It is not even a guilty pleasure anymore.
Apr 22, 2012 9:32 PM

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def the best episode so far... sucks they lost an artifact!
Apr 22, 2012 9:50 PM

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Those guys are strong. I really thought Tamaki and the guys beat them again.
Apr 23, 2012 5:12 AM

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At least not make it so one sided :( that kinda sucks how easily they were defeated.

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Apr 24, 2012 3:09 AM
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don't worry you guys. in the coming episodes tamaki is gonna do awesome stuff.
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Apr 25, 2012 9:56 PM

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Aria Rosenburg? Aww man, I wanted to hear her say "Fünf".
Also, the heavily cliché-overloaded cast gets the typical mysterious and arrogant Lolicon in noble dresses, eh? Certainly didn't asked for that.

At least, with finally some action going on, there may be the first thing about this show, I could actually care about.
It was kinda cool, even though a little short. But that SHOULD be different, next time.
Apr 26, 2012 7:27 AM

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This anime's art is too good for its story.The pacing of story has not been very good so far....I am thinking of dropping this.
Apr 26, 2012 7:57 AM
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this anime...they should have just made it a one cour. I mean honestly, introduction of characters could have been done in one chapter and the discovering tamayori in another and so on.

all the same, guys, I have some horrible news. hiiro no kakera is not doing well in DVD sales in Japan. Estimates say it won't even reach 1500. That's REALLY BAD!

So please, if you can, please spread the word about this. I know this anime isn't the best
but for more otome anime we NEED this to succeed. Only then will other studios be ready to animate more.

PLease buy a copy if you can by going to amazon japan which can be viewed in english and pass on to every place possible with hiiro and otome anime fans.

Please do this not for Hiiro, but for the sake of future otome adaptations. I'm serious.

If each one of us buys one copy, Hiiro will be saved and we will pave the way for more otome games.
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Apr 26, 2012 12:46 PM

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The first half was boring as hell, and I am talking "Fall asleep" boring -_-
The came the fight, nice visuals bad animation, it was ok.

If I didn't pay for this I would have dropped this already.

2/5


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phoenixalia said:
PLease buy a copy if you can by going to amazon japan which can be viewed in english and pass on to every place possible with hiiro and otome anime fans.

Please do this not for Hiiro, but for the sake of future otome adaptations. I'm serious.

If each one of us buys one copy, Hiiro will be saved and we will pave the way for more otome games.


I don't mind watching otome game adaptations, but this show is just too bad for me to even considering buying it. Of course this is just my opinion.
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phoenixalia said:
this anime...they should have just made it a one cour. I mean honestly, introduction of characters could have been done in one chapter and the discovering tamayori in another and so on.

all the same, guys, I have some horrible news. hiiro no kakera is not doing well in DVD sales in Japan. Estimates say it won't even reach 1500. That's REALLY BAD!

So please, if you can, please spread the word about this. I know this anime isn't the best
but for more otome anime we NEED this to succeed. Only then will other studios be ready to animate more.

PLease buy a copy if you can by going to amazon japan which can be viewed in english and pass on to every place possible with hiiro and otome anime fans.

Please do this not for Hiiro, but for the sake of future otome adaptations. I'm serious.

If each one of us buys one copy, Hiiro will be saved and we will pave the way for more otome games.


I agree with you in that more otome games should get anime adaptations, but i don't agree with this method. if producers see a profit from shoddy work such as this anime, they'll assume they can just take it for granted and make bad adaptations. i don't want hiiro to be saved, i want good anime to be made.
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night-yagami said:
phoenixalia said:
this anime...they should have just made it a one cour. I mean honestly, introduction of characters could have been done in one chapter and the discovering tamayori in another and so on.

all the same, guys, I have some horrible news. hiiro no kakera is not doing well in DVD sales in Japan. Estimates say it won't even reach 1500. That's REALLY BAD!

So please, if you can, please spread the word about this. I know this anime isn't the best
but for more otome anime we NEED this to succeed. Only then will other studios be ready to animate more.

PLease buy a copy if you can by going to amazon japan which can be viewed in english and pass on to every place possible with hiiro and otome anime fans.

Please do this not for Hiiro, but for the sake of future otome adaptations. I'm serious.

If each one of us buys one copy, Hiiro will be saved and we will pave the way for more otome games.


I agree with you in that more otome games should get anime adaptations, but i don't agree with this method. if producers see a profit from shoddy work such as this anime, they'll assume they can just take it for granted and make bad adaptations. i don't want hiiro to be saved, i want good anime to be made.


yes you do have a point that way as well. Many fans on 2chan were shaken that many of the VAs for supporting characters were changed, not to mention they were shocked at the art.

Its almost like DEEN saw how much they made wit hakouki and thought, oh fujoshi will buy ANYTHING with their bishies...if I were them I'd have been 'oh my gosh! our money is wit otoge anime' and given more importance to hiiro but there you are.

Well, they were just proven wrong. Ironically it feels as if they gave the short end of the stick to Hiiro and concentrated full on, on Sankarea with beautiful visuals, animation, pacing everything. Yet its selling less than Hiiro...lol.

Maybe this will teach Deen a lesson and tell them where their money is.

My concerns are just this: That this doesn't stop other studious from animating otome games.
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Is there character at the end really attempting to have a true conversation with me at the end of the episode? I laughed when I realized that's what the "preview endings" have been doing this whole time.

This episode made up for a lot of ground lost in the first 3 episodes. I liked it, but the slice of life drama trying to butt its way into the plot is a major disappointment.

It's going to take a lot from the fifth episode to make me not drop it, but we'll see.
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oh I just thought I should let this out now..have you noticed other than takuma there haven't been real interactions between Tamaki and the other guys other that when they were introduced? I feel kinda sad. D:

Poor Yuuichi-sama and Ryou-sama.

They better at least include the time when Ryou says he's not doing it cuz she's the Tamayori Princess but because he's special to her...that sentence like is one of the main parts of his character.
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I (surprisingly?) like this series so far!
I don't like the "blond loli princess" chara (since when did this kind of chara are in OTOME games????), and not so much the big boobs woman neither but the "bad" guys are interesting ^^

Guys, don't complain about the pacing, it's not a fighting shounen/seinen!!! It's an otome game adaptation! for girlssssss!!! The girls who want fight and action watch/play shounen/seinen!
And I quiet loke the last few seconds when one of the guys "speak" directly with me ^o^ even if it's normal in games, I think it's the first time I saw this in anime ^.^


phoenixalia said:
Its almost like DEEN saw how much they made wit hakouki and thought, oh fujoshi will buy ANYTHING with their bishies...if I were them I'd have been 'oh my gosh! our money is wit otoge anime' and given more importance to hiiro but there you are.
Why so many people used "fujoshi" when speaking about GIRLS!!??? Seriously! Fujoshi = BL/yaoi/shounen-ai/boysxboys action! Fujoshi don't specially like otome game/anime/manga!!! Because the main chara ARE GIRLS! >_< I don't say that fujoshi NEVER, not even ALMOST NEVER like otome stuff, but they are not the target! And this season there are much more interesting "fujoshi bait", with for example "Sakamichi no Apollon" (so great friendship, stupid fight and cute reconciliation), "Tsuritama" (all main chara are guys between 16 and 25 and are already sooo good friends...), "Kuroko no Basket" (already 2 guys "fighting" because they want Kuroko...).
Most fujoshi prefer (for the "fujoshi" part, not specially as anime/manga/game fan) shounen/seinen stuff (excepted the ecchi's one!)because of the "friendship" so strong between guys! Up to now, Hiiro no Kakera is really disappointed for this! Almost NO interaction between the guys, no special friendship... and not even hints of romance of the "otome" target.

@phoenixalia: about Sankarea, it's a shounen, so aimed for guys! the manga seems to be ecchi but the first 3ep are not specially ecchi! 2 panties in ep3! Ecchi fan and/or manga fan would probably waiting to see more before deciding to buy a 3000~6000 yens DVD!
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I (surprisingly?) like this series so far!
I don't like the "blond loli princess" chara (since when did this kind of chara are in OTOME games????), and not so much the big boobs woman neither but the "bad" guys are interesting ^^

Guys, don't complain about the pacing, it's not a fighting shounen/seinen!!! It's an otome game adaptation! for girlssssss!!! The girls who want fight and action watch/play shounen/seinen!
And I quiet loke the last few seconds when one of the guys "speak" directly with me ^o^ even if it's normal in games, I think it's the first time I saw this in anime ^.^


phoenixalia said:
Its almost like DEEN saw how much they made wit hakouki and thought, oh fujoshi will buy ANYTHING with their bishies...if I were them I'd have been 'oh my gosh! our money is wit otoge anime' and given more importance to hiiro but there you are.
Why so many people used "fujoshi" when speaking about GIRLS!!??? Seriously! Fujoshi = BL/yaoi/shounen-ai/boysxboys action! Fujoshi don't specially like otome game/anime/manga!!! Because the main chara ARE GIRLS! >_< I don't say that fujoshi NEVER, not even ALMOST NEVER like otome stuff, but they are not the target! And this season there are much more interesting "fujoshi bait", with for example "Sakamichi no Apollon" (so great friendship, stupid fight and cute reconciliation), "Tsuritama" (all main chara are guys between 16 and 25 and are already sooo good friends...), "Kuroko no Basket" (already 2 guys "fighting" because they want Kuroko...).
Most fujoshi prefer (for the "fujoshi" part, not specially as anime/manga/game fan) shounen/seinen stuff (excepted the ecchi's one!)because of the "friendship" so strong between guys! Up to now, Hiiro no Kakera is really disappointed for this! Almost NO interaction between the guys, no special friendship... and not even hints of romance of the "otome" target.

@phoenixalia: about Sankarea, it's a shounen, so aimed for guys! the manga seems to be ecchi but the first 3ep are not specially ecchi! 2 panties in ep3! Ecchi fan and/or manga fan would probably waiting to see more before deciding to buy a 3000~6000 yens DVD!


first off in the fujoshi part, I'm new to he term as well but many say that fujoshi means somethign in japan and it means female otaku in english speaking countries.

Secondly, you'd be surprised how many shows with soo many ecchi parts *cough*oniichan to koto, ben to, papa kiki*cough* and more but I've forgotten now but they have ecchi but don't sell well either. XD I know, confusing. XD

also, will you spread the word?
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phoenixalia said:
first off in the fujoshi part, I'm new to he term as well but many say that fujoshi means somethign in japan and it means female otaku in english speaking countries.
No no no! Fujoshi means literally: "rotten girls" cute name isn't it! And it's used ONLY for BL/yaoi/boy's love stuff fan! Even in Japan most of people (including otaku) don't know what is a fujoshi! It's a name used mostly by hardcore otakus for the girls going to the "otome road", a road in Ikebururo where you can find the most important shops selling boy's love manga/doujinshi/games (in comparison you have Akihabara for the guys with moe/ecchi/hentai stuff)
Some people in MAL and/or outside Japan used it in a wrong way, it's a fact! But it's like if I said: All girls are Humans, so all Humans are girls! All fujoshi are otakus (true) / all otaku girls are fujoshi (wrong). Most of the otaku girls don't even know boy's love!
Even otaku, in Japan the world has a very bad meaning. In Japan, only foreigners said that there are otakus! It's used for very hardcore fan of something (not only manga/anime/game but everything like trains (ie: Kuragehime or Tetsuko no Tabi)). Outside Japan it's used simply as "manga/anime/game lover".

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Secondly, you'd be surprised how many shows with soo many ecchi parts *cough*oniichan to koto, ben to, papa kiki*cough* and more but I've forgotten now but they have ecchi but don't sell well either. XD I know, confusing. XD
I know! Ecchi only is not (not always) enough to sell well (the one you named where exceptionally bad? ^^), but it was not my point! I said that for a fujoshi (boy's love fan, = like man/man romance/love/sex...) shounen ecchi are not at all interesting (of course, main chara is an useless guy and other chara are moe/loli/big boobs/tsundere... girls). Most of the reverse harem (like Hiiro no Kakera) are not so interesting neither because all the guys are interested by the main girls (of course it's the main point of reverse harem!) even if it would be more interesting (again from a fujoshi point of view) to see them playing together, preferably without clothes! But the shounen anime (sports, fight, adventure, action... like One Piece, Bleach, Kuroko no Basket, Toriko, Tiger & Bunny...) who have a lot of men friends/enemy are more interesting! It's easy to find a man/man couple who suits your own taste (ie: all the BL doujinshi from those kind of series)

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also, will you spread the word?
I don't like this series enough (yet?) to buy it! But I buy the series I like as much as I can! Right now I'm waiting for the Wild Adapter OVA and the 4th Saiyuki Gaiden OVA also!
For this season the one I really would like to buy are: Sakamichi no Apollon, Tsuritama, Uchuu Kyoudai (and Kimi to Boku 2). Hiiro no Kakera is definitely not yet in my top wanted DVD. If it's licensed in France I will probably buy it since it's much more cheaper than in Japan! But I will probably be more interested by the game because I can chose my guy ^_~
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yea this is a deemed failure. According to today's rating, it won't even reach 1000 copies.
I'm just hoping this doesn't affect other otome games and this isn't the future for other otome games...
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yea this is a deemed failure. According to today's rating, it won't even reach 1000 copies.
I'm just hoping this doesn't affect other otome games and this isn't the future for other otome games...


This anime got bad rating because the game fans hate how the character looks in the anime (I'm not sure how the artists for the anime will be able to imitate Kazuki Yone arts in the game), and because Studio DEEN seems to be famous of making bad otome game adaptations animes.

Anime from otome games adaptation that will be airing next season is Arcana Famiglia (the studio doing it is J.C. Staff) and this anime itself (assuming they doesn't changed it to 12 episodes because its unpopularity), Hakuouki Reimeiroku isn't otome game adaptations.
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phoenixalia said:
yea this is a deemed failure. According to today's rating, it won't even reach 1000 copies.
I'm just hoping this doesn't affect other otome games and this isn't the future for other otome games...


This anime got bad rating because the game fans hate how the character looks in the anime (I'm not sure how the artists for the anime will be able to imitate Kazuki Yone arts in the game), and because Studio DEEN seems to be famous of making bad otome game adaptations animes.

Anime from otome games adaptation that will be airing next season is Arcana Famiglia (the studio doing it is J.C. Staff) and this anime itself (assuming they doesn't changed it to 12 episodes because its unpopularity), Hakuouki Reimeiroku isn't otome game adaptations.


well the art changed in hakuouki too though it wasn't THIS BAD....I found the art in hakuouki close to the game art actually.

but the art AND the fact that the supporting characters and antagonists' VSs were changed. Fans were enraged by that.

Its not that Deen makes bad otoge adaptations....hakouki was really good. its this one(hiiro) which they've completely sunk on.
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The fight was pretty nice, the way they worked together was great. Still got their asses whooped though. =/

Looks like there's a 3rd party involved.
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This episode was better then episodes 1-3 fight scenes were much better also so that is good I wonder how they are going to stop them when the bad guys were just testing them and then they got there butts kicked like no problem
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what a bunch of wimp ass guardians. after the humiliation, cue sudden increase in strength and growth within the guardians. Am i the only one who thought she tried her absolute best in this episode, especially the ending? wow! so much courage!!!
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*a group of strangers appears and attacks the guardians*

*they then flee, in the same direction, together, just as they came*

...

Guardians and MC: "........Could those strangers have been affiliated?????"

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