Legend of the Galactic Heroes Episode 1 Discussion

kie_ said:
Anyway the show seems interesting (I hope).

Cihan said:


I have come to the objective conclusion that this is the greatest anime in the history of the medium. Stuff like Cowboy Bebop or GitS: Stand Alone Complex will hold a special place in my depraved heart, but LotGH objectively is the greatest anime production ever made. Its only flaw is the animation, if you can even call that a flaw, its more like an unavoidable budget hurdle to overcome.

Cihan said:


I have come to the objective conclusion that this is the greatest anime in the history of the medium. Stuff like Cowboy Bebop or GitS: Stand Alone Complex will hold a special place in my depraved heart, but LotGH objectively is the greatest anime production ever made. Its only flaw is the animation, if you can even call that a flaw, its more like an unavoidable budget hurdle to overcome.

One last thing that I heavily recommend: watch Legend of the Galactic Heroes: My Conquest Is The Sea of Stars, before this OVA. It was released first and is set before as well, a perfect introduction to the franchise and transitions perfectly from movie to OVA, making you more prepared for the situation and characters.

M_A said:

Have to agree with this.

naikou said:

Thirded

As for the whole "remembering names" issue - It's been about half a year since I finished the series, and I can still list the names of 30+ LoGH characters. The fact that they keep displaying the names on screen helps, but it's also amazing that they manage to characterize such a huge cast so well.

M_A said:
^lame

Viperslayer said:
I can't watch this.

I never liked old animation. Japanese old animation is terrible in particular.
I was barely able to re-watch DBZ last week because of the animation. I'm going to have to drop this until/if they remake it.

Viperslayer said:
Well as an Animation Major It's really really to watch it
>_>

Rewatching DBZ kept making me laugh at the animation and fuzzy graphics.
I did the same with this episode lol.

Cihan said:
Regarding the art and animation, if you have a problem with sparse architecture, rooms with a handful of chairs and windows, cityscapes with generic skyscrapers and not much else of note; crowd scenes that look like something a high school kid produced with pocket-money budget, then you might have a problem with LotGH. You'd have a problem period, because these flaws are due to budgetary constraints not ineptitude on the art department's behalf. If that irritates you then you're not a reasonable person. You will be placated to know that the art and animation increase slightly over the course of the 9 year production.

Cihan said:






Viperslayer, in ten, fifteen years time, when your kids or someone you know says to you that they cant watch (your current favourite anime) Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, Michiko to Hatchin, Ghost Hunt, Eureka Seven, at all, because the animation sucks the left nut of a diseased donkey, how are you going to feel? Will their opinion render your own view of these animes' stories moot at all?

The left nut, not the right, but the left nut.

And you're an Animation Major too, are they teaching people to only make things sparkly and flashy these days? Animation is meant to facilitate story, not just be window dressing. But all that is beside the point, LotGH is not intentionally animated badly, its a consequence of budget limitations, you cant hold that against it, not like anime which have plenty of budget but are still animated shoddily.

The best entertainment in the world are remembered for their stories, not how good they look. People will remember The Godfather, they wont remember Fantastic Four. People will remember Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind, they wont remember Vexille.

Ryushi said:
Its like a gundam with a deep and realistic story with actual politics, historical reflections, novel- level narrative and dialogue as well as masterfully crafted characters more realistic and alive than I've seen in any other anime.

Baman said:
fixed.
One episode alone does not do the series justice, trust me.

Ryushi said:
Oh, yeah, let me explain why i didn't felt much like watching.
(No, its not about the art, especially when i saw old gundam series and didn't have a problem with that. And let me tell ya something, old gundam series' art sucked.)
I didn't like the fact that the pilot factor wasn't considered at all.
It seemed as if the pilot woudnl't matter at all when you got an strategy.

I would'nt call rushing towards the enemy a strategy, but since they were going to use it as some kind of way to get the enemy unprepared, i won't complain.

I'm not a fan of those: "Your movements are so obvious that i know how you will attack me, even not knowing anything about you."
Well, i'm not a fan anymore. I got my fill with geass and Death Note, so yeah.
(Maybe i'm being unfair here, please disconsider if you think that)

How would guys like that commander actually become commanders?

Beatnik said:
Isnt Gundam the franchise that relies just on Anaheim corporation churning out the more powerful mecha, and the franchise where battles rely only on two factors: Who has the better mecha and who has the better Newtype ability?

Baman said:
And who is the most hot blooded/can scream the loudest.

Beatnik said:
I love the Gundam franchise but after watching so many Gundam shows in a row I started to get irritated by the fact that the franchise's only commentary on actual battles is on technological superiority. That's how the good guys win in the end every single time, they simply have better mecha than the enemy.

Now, granted, there is the same concept in the real world, but battles in the real world do not always rely on better tech either, I mean look at the current wars the US is waging, who are they struggling against? It's nothing but raggedy dudes with RPGs and AK47s, yet these guys have lasted a long time and worn down a powerful country's resources and endurance.

Ryushi said:
I did forgot to mention, on the list of reasons of why i MIGHT put on-hold this series, that it's story is too serious, which is somehow a downside to me, since all i've been watching untill now were fast paced plot-less series, so seeing something like this becomes boring...

Wishy said:
Cihan, please don't try to explain this shounen-lover what's a good anime, he even has images with spoilers in his avatar and signature, don't waste your time. Just take a look at his list and you'll understand what I am saying.

Orangevision said:
I watched first episode and I felt nothing. I actually found the plot pretty hard to follow since the episode did deliver very little to none stimulation in the storytelling. Plot wasn't nuclear physics, I just found it really hard to follow (like sitting in math class). The names were really problematic, in worst cases after reading the subtitles, the name had already left the screen. I have to admit, I didn't catch too many of them, and the ones I read, I forgot.

So yeah 1 episode seen and 109 left to go. Even if my thoughts might be pretty negative at this point, I'm pretty sure I will find the idea of the show when the time comes. Of course, now I just have to find the inspiration to watch more of this.

And yeah, the animation doesn't bother me too much. I overall like this hand drawn and "rough" 80's style, it's really nice alternation after five million episodes of one bleach shippuuden.


I can assure, you know nothing of a person just with a glance into someone's profile page. It's not valid argument in any circumstances.

Cowabunga said:
Just finished watching the first episode minutes ago. I was surprised with the introduction of many characters and it'll probably take a while for me to remember their names, but it's a good thing that they put their names on the screen.

Everybody says that the show starts getting interesting from episode 20 onwards, but after watching the first episode I'm already hyped. Usually when people say "Best thing ever, watch it!" I always end up disappointed but I have high hopes for this series.

BokuSatchii said:
I must say that I had doubts about this series. It looked slow and boring and unnecessarily long. Then I watched the first episode a few minutes ago, to see what all the hype was about. It was slow. But it wasn't boring. I can tell already that I'm in for a ride, and I'm able to understand what all those 10's are for, especially if it doesn't really get going until episode 20. I'm excited.

usasoldiern said:
As others have said, that was alot of characters introduced. The only ones I remember are Reinhardt and Yang.

I don't know if it'll live up to the hype, but I hope it's good.

BluMeino said:


Don't worry, they reintroduce the characters every couple of episodes with those on-screen titles. And why else would an older title be hyped up so much?

Mawootad said:
It's not so great. The tactics are incompatible with the technology, and some things were just stoopid (we know where the enemy fleet is, so why can't we figure out that they're right next to us?)...

Ninja337 said:

The antiquated tactics are part of the 18th/19th century motif, along with the Romantic music, ridiculously huge epaulets, German names that take up half the screen, etc... If it seems silly then that's the point.