AI Translation is Already Here and...

It also isn't acceptable to inject random political BS into things when there wasn't any in the original...

@Tropisch
It's 7 fucking years old, get over it

@LSSJ_Gaming
If you think this is horrible, you must think their woke version shouldn't exist in general then, right? RIGHT?!

EAT THE RICH! So they say. Lol

But regardless, Jamie deserves this railing. ESPECIALLY after being one of the main culprits involved in destroying poor, sweet, pure, wholesome, obviously innocent Vic Mignogna's career...

@Tropisch
It's 7 fucking years old, get over it

@Zedlin
Wouldn't really work at least not using the kind of method used today. It would have to be actual general AI to do that.

@LSSJ_Gaming

It is not for anyone to decide what makes sense for her to say except for the author. And author didn't make her use shitty internet meme speech. I don't want them to see talk like "he done rizzed her up like a gigachad with a swag" just because they are from highschool. Characters in the manga should talk like people from JAPAN and NOT from USA. Unless stated otherwise by original artist.
I just think they should be professionals when doing translations and respect source materials not shit allover it. It is their job, if they want to be writers just write own book or manga.
It is sometimes shocking how much better quality fan translation can deliver, which is most often unpaid work of passionate person who loves to read manga.

@traed That's why I said a few years obviously not rn lmao. It's a dream not like I actually expect to be able to do that. :p

@Scorptek
She literally uses slang in her speech patterns in the Japanese version, making her use slang in English is literally internally consistent.

That is literally not how translation works.... a translation NEEDS to sound natural in a new language otherwise it will be a complete mess if you "translate it exactly how Japanese people talk" as then you'd have nonsensical, grammatically incorrect sentences in English with 0 subject. You clearly know absolutely nothing about translating one language story into another

Edit: To prove my point I have found an image showing her using slang in the japanese version with the translation of the word and external evidence to prove that the localization team using certain slang words makes internal consistent sense

@LSSJ_Gaming

No one is getting over it because person who commited this mistake doesn't want to admit it is a mistake in the first place

@LSSJ_Gaming

Yes she used shorted slang version of a word suspicious in JAPANESE which a lot of people do and they portray it as a REGULAR WORD. Not some internet meme speech. I see that you are for americanization of anime and not respecting source material at all. And you also purposefully changed what I said to fit the narrative too, impressive. I never said to translate it LITERALLY I am saying that it needs to be kept as close to original as possible. It makes no sense to make Nagatoro speak like she is american citizen, because she is fucking not.

You also say that original dub of Dragon Maid was fine even tho it completly changes how character is portrayed in that scene xD And you are defending that Jamie person who was insulting fans who pointed it out. But now when she is taking heat for it she is oh so poor and sad soul she doesn't deserve it.

She also told fans to fuck off and learn japanese when she doesn't even speak japanese herself. Pathetic. Should just own the mistake, apologise and then everyone would've moved away from it.

@Scorptek
Most people literally don't give a shit, its just outrage bait youtubers digging up 7 year old drama for clickbait and fueling the fire again

@LSSJ_Gaming Maybe I will when the crappy person you're defending owns up and admits she made a mistake instead of her saying childish shit like "I have a vagina deal with it". Perhaps it's you who needs to get over the fact not everyone likes works being butchered because someone thinks it's funny.

@Scorptek
It's no different than sus since that is a pretty comoon word. honestly stop your trolling I am done with you

@HulkTySSJ2
The original dub is fine cuz it still gets the point across off "people are judging me for what I was wearing so I changed clothes" just in a more verbose way. Getting triggered because the word "patriarchy" was mentioned is stupid.

Jamie doesn't deserve the harassment she gets. She's a fucking human who did her job to translate over a joke. Sure, it was a different way than I would have translated it, but it still has the same general meaning of "people are judging me for what I was wearing so I changed clothes". Y'all need to get over the 7-year-old drama. Vic was not pure and wholesome and "obviously innocent", that defamation suit he fucking lost lmao. There's a reason he's completely blacklisted.

Ideological terminology dropping isn't really just being more verbose, it's insulting the intelligence of the audience. There is other ways of explaining societal norms than "patriarchy" a theory unproven due to being unfalsifiable. Not everyone that is annoyed by or criticizes these things identifies as a feminist nor does feminism have a monopoly on such criticisms so it absolutely is politicizing by dumbing things down into cliche'd words and phrases. By adding "patriarchy" it implies something about Japanese society that wasn't there (I mean presumably since it's one of those shows i plan to watch but havent yet i just assume set in Japan unless it has a fictional setting). You yourself came up with something closer to what it should be. So I don't get why you're defending something that clearly adds something ill fitting unless this concept I explained is new to you. Only reason I am bothering challenging this is because I already know you may want to be a game translator and your current views will influence how you do approach things if you were to succeed in that. I don't particularly care personally since I don't really game much or even go through many visual novels but I do care about accurately representing different cultures close as possible and preservation of artistic visions close as possible (even in cases of something not being good to me).

Assuming that is true, yes but from what bit I've seen of Jamie her own behaviour is quite questionable.


Slang is kind of a weird category though since slang doesnt always mean something new and fleeting. Many terms called slang have been used for decades to over 100 years. So im not sure what standards Jisho has for what is slang. Would be more useful to look into etymology which often explains exact time a term came about.

As ive previously explained to you while "sus" is technically correct it is not at all a common spoken term by a normal person. I repeat, as a native English speaker in America I've never heard it used once and probably only came across it in fictional media of period pieces.


Do you unironically think you are convincing anyone like this? Several of the people in the thread that criticized OPs position are trans.

@traed

Calm down. I know not every single one of y'all is a Wokie. Lol
Now let's get back on topic.

glad to hear it. I don't need want someone re-interpretating what is appropriate for the western audience. I just want a literal 1 to 1 translation and that hasn't been the case for some time now. localizers did not provide a service that was needed imo

@HulkTySSJ2
I'm just stating the fact you're actually being counter productive to convincing OP which you might not be aware of.

Ideological terminology dropping isn't really just being more verbose, it's insulting the intelligence of the audience. There is other ways of explaining societal norms than "patriarchy" a theory unproven due to being unfalsifiable. Not everyone that is annoyed by or criticizes these things identifies as a feminist nor does feminism have a monopoly on such criticisms so it absolutely is politicizing by dumbing things down into cliche'd words and phrases. By adding "patriarchy" it implies something about Japanese society that wasn't there (I mean presumably since it's one of those shows i plan to watch but havent yet i just assume set in Japan unless it has a fictional setting). You yourself came up with something closer to what it should be. So I don't get why you're defending something that clearly adds something ill fitting unless this concept I explained is new to you. Only reason I am bothering challenging this is because I already know you may want to be a game translator and your current views will influence how you do approach things if you were to succeed in that. I don't particularly care personally since I don't really game much or even go through many visual novels but I do care about accurately representing different cultures close as possible and preservation of artistic visions close as possible (even in cases of something not being good to me).

Assuming that is true, yes but from what bit I've seen of Jamie her own behaviour is quite questionable.


Slang is kind of a weird category though since slang doesnt always mean something new and fleeting. Many terms called slang have been used for decades to over 100 years. So im not sure what standards Jisho has for what is slang. Would be more useful to look into etymology which often explains exact time a term came about.

As ive previously explained to you while "sus" is technically correct it is not at all a common spoken term by a normal person. I repeat, as a native English speaker in America I've never heard it used once and probably only came across it in fictional media of period pieces.


Do you unironically think you are convincing anyone like this? Several of the people in the thread that criticized OPs position are trans.

Sure self interest can factor which I didn't suggest otherwise, but it's more an ideology with short sighted understanding of the broader scope regardless of who it is coming from and merely pointing out who it's coming from serves no ends to changing stated views.

Maybe but large language model machine learning translation would't replace a person though. It isn't being used because of these types of localizers, it's because competition to get something out first to a demanding audience before a better quality human translation is done if there is any errors. It would have been used even without localizers like that. If it actually were to put translators out of a job it wouldn't just be just that kind but good ones too being cheaper and quicker even if inferior quality.


Yes, it's not even normal slang. Actually the "police slang" aspect even then they used it more as short for "suspect" not as much to say something is "suspicious" from what I can find. Today police use shortened slang still the normal public doesn't really use like "perp" and "vic". So this clearly indicates "sus" was never in usage among teenage girls and even when it has finally very recently I've not seen evidence of it being used anywhere but online and since it's so new it will likely fade away just like "fam" did in a very short time so it's just too topical and internet slang specific. Do you understand the point?

It will make even less sense than bootleg subs but those at least are funny

Sounds like AI translators are just like Google Translate. We learned nothing from that.


More like a few years (At least since the late 2010s. Was this even a thing when 4Kids were alive. I know people got mad and some people like Rebeltaxi did point out the possibly racist and xenophobic implications with how 4Kids would try to remove anything japanese from their anime, but to this degree?

@petran79 Or like a worse version of that Jojo Pt. 4 translation.

@CasualtyX
I'd say it's a bit different given the implications on how it's being covered. A lot of the criticism of companies like 4Kids were pretty justified since there was quite a bit of xenophobia and homophobia that led to a lot of the changes that 4Kids and similar companies like Dic, Nelvana, and Saban made back in the day. Nowadays a lot of people use the sort of fear brought into them from 4Kids to be scared of any minor script change, when combined with a lot of political fearmongering from the mid 2010s that has only gotten worse over the past 8 years, has led to the anime fandom going a bit overboard with their distrust of translators, and with the whole AI thing recently, it's basically just fueled the fire a bit so to speak and escalated the hatemob further. I hope it calms down eventually but it doesn't seem likely any time soon.

I mean, the characters are in high school, so it's not difficult to imagine them using slang not commonly used among older people.
in any case, if you feel the use of 'sus' could be confusing for people watching the show 10 years from now, you can simply add a translator's note explaining that 'sus' is a slang and shorthand for suspicious'. in any case, is there even a better alternative that's also a slang?

*sigh* MAL really is the place where nuance, context and basic human kindness go to die...

ANYWAY

My take on it is pretty 50-50. AI translation could be used as practice for beginners or as a backup check, also to save time when a time crunch happens. But y'all saying you'd rather have machine generated sentences than actual people doing a job because "muh politics"...it's people's jobs at the line ffs.

Should there be more proofreaders? Perhaps.
Should there even be more than one person translationg one piece of media (so people working in teams could reduce possible bias)? Also perhaps.

And instead something from almost a decade ago (or a single line from that recent loli-shota genderbent anime), I'll use some newer examples:

-in the newer EVA dub, Kaworu says "you are worthy of my grace" while in the sub (or older dub, idk) explicitly says along the lines of "I like you/love you." Those two have literally nothing in common and if they wanted to tone down the "love" connotations, why not have him say "you have my affection/empathy/kindness of my heart..."

-the newly announced chubby elf manga to anime adaptation has a title translated as "Plus sized elf" while the original translates to "An elf that can't loose weight".
I'm all for coming up with something to shorten the horrendously long LN titles when needed or to think of something when the title sounds really weird in English (as we all know languages differ quite a lot in many cases), but imo this one could've been translated in a literal sense and would sound fine.


(btw I'm not that into the "patriarchy" line, but the AI translated one is just as weird and doesn't do the line justice either.)

GOD IS GOOD, GOD IS GREAT!!! THANK GOD
Most translations are actually worse than AI since they keep using western slang and inserting politics that don't belong in the first place. Thank god the japanese woke up and said one day "stop fucking with my anime/manga we don't speak like you assholes"

@DreamingBeats
These are all slang for "suspicious" other than internet slang like "sus" or "sussy"

Shady (this is a little off though since it sometimes kind of implies wrongdoing)
Dodgy
Fishy
Sketchy

I think "sketchy" is best because Naoto is an artist so it has a sort of playfulness to saying that about him.

I see that 2 other titles had it even worse. Yuri on Ice and Masamune Kun's revenge, removing the queer elements in some dialogue.

https://www.animefeminist.com/discourse-arent-problematic-translations-fixed/

But the way I see it, viewers could use AI to adapt the subs to their beliefs. and preferences. You want a lbgt friendly translation and interpretation? AI will generate those subs and words.

You want to erase any trace of the above for a more straight version? Eg change lover for girlfriend? AI will do exactly this.

A bubble within a bubble...

@DreamingBeats
This is genuinely horrible lmao. "Toning it down for exposure" is a really garbage translation as it is not grammatically correct or sensical. "Showing a little less skin" would be better since it is close to the same syllable count while saying the same thing and making more grammatical and contextual sense if they were trying to go for a more sub accurate line. It is also NOT ACCEPTABLE to create AI voices of actors without their consent