| I think 90 mins long first episode is the trick to making any Anime popular and successful .. |
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| it probably also needs - Good animation - Marketable Waifu - Is a prologue to the rest of the show - Hard hitting emotional moment If something like 3 gatsu or monster got a 90 min premier ep no one give a shit because they'd find it too boring |
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BigMac7 said: Ah yes, the 18th and 26th ranked shows on MALIf something like 3 gatsu or monster got a 90 min premier ep no one give a shit because they'd find it too boring |
RentNoGirlfriend said: I meant on their premiers, not as as new shows.BigMac7 said: Ah yes, the 18th and 26th ranked shows on MALIf something like 3 gatsu or monster got a 90 min premier ep no one give a shit because they'd find it too boring |
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| If the staff does their best to elevate already good source material, sure. But can't forgot that Oshi no Ko already had some hype behind it before the anime, no even before the first manga chapter dropped. |
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| Obviously not. Oshi no Ko worked because the manga's prologue fit perfectly in the format of a film, which is why the first "episode" had the duration it did. Now, look at anime produced by Ufotable, like Kimetsu no Yaiba or Fate, they tend to start with a double episode filled with absolute emptiness, 40 minutes with nothing to tell, just to pretend it's something important. |
| If you're a fanboy, please don't waste my time. Watch more movies, please. Kafka, Fu Xuan, Jingliu, Topaz and Huohuo. |
| Ofc, every trash anime have his own fanbase, OnK isn't a exception and just for the sake of it, Shoujo Rengoku Rakugo Shinjuu 1st episode is also around 1:20h, that show is certainly better than OnK though is nothing more than average to my eyes. |
| let me just say this. I absolutely disagree with your statement. Oshi no Ko had the perfect timeline and the content for it to be made into a 90min first episode as it covers the childhood of Aqua and stuff and the next episode directly jumps to the teen stage. If they tried to fit in the childhood stage in a 24min first episode then Oshi no Ko wouldve failed tbh. |
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| A long first episode doesn't guarantee a good show. |
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| Re zero Fate zero NGNL zero etc subete o moushoumei shitta so literally thrs no doubt about it anyways |
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| "Do you think every Anime will be popular if they start with a 90 minute 1st episode?" Both things look unrelated to me. |
Otakupervert890 said: -Xenophon- said: from this it's 47 min which is a double episode. https://www.crunchyroll.com/watch/GYQ4QMZ96?utm_medium=android&utm_source=shareOfc, every trash anime have his own fanbase, OnK isn't a exception and just for the sake of it, Shoujo Rengoku Rakugo Shinjuu 1st episode is also around 1:20h, that show is certainly better than OnK though is nothing more than average to my eyes. There is a special version that is 80 minutes long and it's fixed in the 1st episode timeline. |
alshu said: yeah. Even with Oshi no Ko it didn't really "become popular" simply bcoz of its 80 min long 1st ep."Do you think every Anime will be popular if they start with a 90 minute 1st episode?" Both things look unrelated to me. |
TRC_Randy said: alshu said: yeah. Even with Oshi no Ko it didn't really "become popular" simply bcoz of its 80 min long 1st ep."Do you think every Anime will be popular if they start with a 90 minute 1st episode?" Both things look unrelated to me. Yep. It is popular because it really really stinks...and anime fans are like dogs - they pay attention to stinky stuff. |
| Seems pretty unrelated to me whether the first episode is longer or not. For me personally, I don't even watch weekly but I binge after a whole season has aired or at least about half of it and then the rest afterwards). So an extra long episode makes zero difference, at least to me. |
| Unless a prologue is needed to begin with later on, I don't think there are other good reasons why we should have an anime that shares the same principle as that. Oshi no Ko isn't an exception to this because the author did pretty well in writing the story, character backgrounds and etc so everything can fit perfectly into the format of a film though. |
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Phosphophyllita said: Obviously not. Oshi no Ko worked because the manga's prologue fit perfectly in the format of a film, which is why the first "episode" had the duration it did. Now, look at anime produced by Ufotable, like Kimetsu no Yaiba or Fate, they tend to start with a double episode filled with absolute emptiness, 40 minutes with nothing to tell, just to pretend it's something important. I mean, Oshi no Ko didn't do the same? Do a long episode while pretending to have something to say? |
| Yeah casual weebs think, longer duration first episodes means anime of epic content |
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| No. I find it daunting. I probably would've never watched half the series on my list if that was the case because I would procrastinate too much. |
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doumz said: I haven't watched Oshi no Ko. But you underestimate the skill of every animators if you think compressing entire prologue which is longer in original source to 24 min episode will make it automatically fail.let me just say this. I absolutely disagree with your statement. Oshi no Ko had the perfect timeline and the content for it to be made into a 90min first episode as it covers the childhood of Aqua and stuff and the next episode directly jumps to the teen stage. If they tried to fit in the childhood stage in a 24min first episode then Oshi no Ko wouldve failed tbh. Cross game did compress 1 volume of manga to 24 min first episode, and they succeed on that. They can do the flashbacks later of the story anyway. |
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| First episode of oshi no ko scammed us all and turned us into suckers |
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| it's not. making the pilot long enough to hit the hook is though. oshi no ko's pilot didn't work because it was long, it worked because it was an entire arc, and a prenominal hook. for example, the perfect pilot for vinland, would be the first 4 episodes mashed into one. the first 3 for madoka magica, first 2 for death note, and first 3 for jojos. the lenght doesn't matter, so many shows like: steins;gate, made in abyss, megalo box, one punch man, and the promised neverland already set the hook by the end of the pilot without making it extended. and again all of these only matters if the show is actually good. |
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alshu said: TRC_Randy said: yeah. Even with Oshi no Ko it didn't really "become popular" simply bcoz of its 80 min long 1st ep. Yep. It is popular because it really really stinks...and anime fans are like dogs - they pay attention to stinky stuff. and people say elitists aren't real it is obviously true that not every popular show is good, but what you said makes you sound pretentious as fuck |
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BigMac7 said: it probably also needs - Good animation - Marketable Waifu - Is a prologue to the rest of the show - Hard hitting emotional moment If something like 3 gatsu or monster got a 90 min premier ep no one give a shit because they'd find it too boring for monster it would actually work quite well. it would end around the first real introduction of johan, which would work really well as a hook. |
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Apolygon2 said: and people say elitists aren't real Yep, Oshi No Ko elitists are fact. They are comparable to smelly cheese connoisseurs. Every time someone notices "But Oshi No Ko stinks!" there will be some elitist to reply "It's SUPPOSED to stink! You a such peasant for not knowing that!" Apolygon2 said: pretentious as fuck For preferring actual gorgonzola? |
| Some would definitely benefit from a 90-minute premiere, but I feel most would run the risk of boring their audience before the end credits roll. So no, I don't think every anime would be popular with a 90-minute first episode. |
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alshu said: Apolygon2 said: and people say elitists aren't real Yep, Oshi No Ko elitists are fact. They are comparable to smelly cheese connoisseurs. Every time someone notices "But Oshi No Ko stinks!" there will be some elitist to reply "It's SUPPOSED to stink! You a such peasant for not knowing that!" Apolygon2 said: pretentious as fuck For preferring actual gorgonzola? the problem isn't the fact that you think oshi no ko stinks. you sound like a pretentious elitist because of this part: and anime fans are like dogs - they pay attention to stinky stuff. you can say oshi no ko sucks... not every popular show is good, and not every good show is good in everyone's eyes... but saying THIS makes you sound elitist. maybe you didn't mean it that way... but I'll assure you that's how it comes off. |
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Ionliosite2 said: Phosphophyllita said: Obviously not. Oshi no Ko worked because the manga's prologue fit perfectly in the format of a film, which is why the first "episode" had the duration it did. Now, look at anime produced by Ufotable, like Kimetsu no Yaiba or Fate, they tend to start with a double episode filled with absolute emptiness, 40 minutes with nothing to tell, just to pretend it's something important. I mean, Oshi no Ko didn't do the same? Do a long episode while pretending to have something to say? didn't do the same? my man love or hate the series, if you think killing of arguably the most important character in the episode, and setting up a murder mystery plot around it is emptiness and nothing important, you're just stupid. |
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sinnerNoWinner said: that's cap. the visuals are good, but they are definitely not good enough to instant sell a series.No I think every anime would be popular if it had the visuals oshi no ko has oshi no ko would have a bellow average score |
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Apolygon2 said: the problem isn't the fact that you think oshi no ko stinks. Apparently is. Apolygon2 said: you sound like a pretentious elitist Oh wait. Not just elitist, but pretentious elitist! But fact is Oshi No Ko smells and people attracted to it like other smelly anime too. I am not suggesting that I am better than those people, I just have different fetishes (anime girls with glasses for example). Apolygon2 said: but I'll assure you that's how it comes off. And you come off as Oshi No Ko fanboy who gets triggered by people who dislike it and try to peer pressure and gate keep them in your preferred direction...which is a for of elitismq since you have the right to judge them and they don't. |
alshu said: this is not about oshi no ko.Apolygon2 said: the problem isn't the fact that you think oshi no ko stinks. Apparently is. Apolygon2 said: you sound like a pretentious elitist Oh wait. Not just elitist, but pretentious elitist! But fact is Oshi No Ko smells and people attracted to it like other smelly anime too. I am not suggesting that I am better than those people, I just have different fetishes (anime girls with glasses for example). Apolygon2 said: but I'll assure you that's how it comes off. And you come off as Oshi No Ko fanboy who gets triggered by people who dislike it and try to peer pressure and gate keep them in your preferred direction...which is a for of elitismq since you have the right to judge them and they don't. It's like my 3rd favorite anime in this season. I'm not exactly a fanboy. saying anime fans are dogs who get attracted to smelly stuff, does come off as saying "I'm better than everyone else" judging my your responses, that's not what you meant. but do you really not see how that comes off like that? |
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Apolygon2 said: Ionliosite2 said: I mean, Oshi no Ko didn't do the same? Do a long episode while pretending to have something to say? didn't do the same? my man love or hate the series, if you think killing of arguably the most important character in the episode, and setting up a murder mystery plot around it is emptiness and nothing important, you're just stupid. I mean, by this logic the guy who I quoted is also wrong because Kimetsu also sets its plot in the first episode. |
Ionliosite2 said: Apolygon2 said: didn't do the same? my man love or hate the series, if you think killing of arguably the most important character in the episode, and setting up a murder mystery plot around it is emptiness and nothing important, you're just stupid. I mean, by this logic the guy who I quoted is also wrong because Kimetsu also sets its plot in the first episode. yeah thats the thing. the oshi no ko one is not just a set up, its a entire arc leading to a major character death that is also a set up on top of that. |
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| It's funny that people are using this forum to trash on Oshi no Ko. The original questions doesn't make sense on the first place. Maybe the anime will gather a little more attention because of the length of the first episode, but if the source material is bad, it will not magically transform it into a good show. Oshi no Ko has an amazing prologue that is the perfect fit for a 90 minute 1st episode. Add that to a very unique premise with amazing voice acting and animation, you naturally have a recipe for success. |
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Jookl said: I don't mean the reincarnation part, its the context surrounding all of it. *SPOILERS* The guy reincarnates as the son of the idol he basically worships (along with a former patient of his) and then she is murdered and he starts a revenge quest looking for the true culprit. That kind of sounds like a unique premise to me, but I don't know, maybe there is an anime with a similar start.DarkFirefly72 said: Reincarnation stories are the last thing that can be called a "very unique premise"It's funny that people are using this forum to trash on Oshi no Ko. The original questions doesn't make sense on the first place. Maybe the anime will gather a little more attention because of the length of the first episode, but if the source material is bad, it will not magically transform it into a good show. Oshi no Ko has an amazing prologue that is the perfect fit for a 90 minute 1st episode. Add that to a very unique premise with amazing voice acting and animation, you naturally have a recipe for success |
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| I don't think so, the factor is clearly somewhere else. |
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