The Case Study of Vanitas
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Varris said: OKay your claims dont really have strong roots considering vanitas is praised for its direction and characters for the most part and maybe you are not really aware of the director who was behind monogatari and madoka...234Mannan said: it's not bias it's calling out the fact that they cut so much out and they do and that a lot of the materials portrayed so badly it makes someone who's even read the Manga and was hyped as hell for the show not want to watch it. Add to the fact that I don't think the director has ever even read the manga based on how much season 1's direction was off. (Admittedly season 2 is slightly better in that regard). If anything anime-only tend to not understand how much this was botched without reading the manga which leads to huge misunderstandings like the one your defending.It was great actually...You might be having "manga bias" at the moment.... I mean the way they rearranged the events and how the emotions were handeled(especially episode 5) they did a good job. But in anycase here is a thread of vanitas discussion between the anime onlies and well it got a great response https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/sq3izu/vanitas_no_carte_part_2_episode_17_discussion/ https://youpoll.me/72764/r I dont really want to argue so have a good day. |
234MannanFeb 14, 2022 10:01 AM
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| Well, shit sure went from 0 to 100 real quick this episode, huh? Chloé took so long in killing Charlatan the creature ended up remembering its powerful identity and we also got some Jeanne's backstory out of nowhere. Also it seems next episode will have more Vanitas x Jeanne content so I'm not really looking forward to it. |
SouthRzVa said: Naenia just wasnt dying for the most part...She was tring her utter best to kill it though..In other words she was still unkillable in a way.Well, shit sure went from 0 to 100 real quick this episode, huh? Chloé took so long in killing Charlatan the creature ended up remembering its powerful identity and we also got some Jeanne's backstory out of nowhere. Also it seems next episode will have more Vanitas x Jeanne content so I'm not really looking forward to it. Naenia make others remember all the painful memories they have whenever she travels... SO thats how we got jeanne s backstory. |
234MannanFeb 16, 2022 7:17 AM
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234Mannan said: SouthRzVa said: Naenia just wasnt dying for the most part...She was tring her utter best to kill it though..In other words she was still unkillable in a way.Well, shit sure went from 0 to 100 real quick this episode, huh? Chloé took so long in killing Charlatan the creature ended up remembering its powerful identity and we also got some Jeanne's backstory out of nowhere. Also it seems next episode will have more Vanitas x Jeanne content so I'm not really looking forward to it. Naenia make others remember all the painful memories they have whenever she travels... SO thats how we got jeanne s backstory. Oh, I see. I assumed Chloé was just taking her time torturing Naenia before killing it. My bad then. |
234Mannan said: Ririnka-kota said: It is actually mentioned that her parents betrayed in the anime as well though. But i am sure that was not really the case considering the story...No, why do you think so? The anime showed this in a strange way, but Ruthven did not order the killing of Jeanne's parents. Her adoptive parents were his students, betrayed him, teamed up with the humans along with the other vampires, and helped kill his other students along with the peace faction with the humans. Motivation has not yet been shown in the manga. It's not a spoiler, it's just that the anime cut it short. Ruthven, after Jeanne failed to kill Chloe the first time, saved Jeanne from execution, as she lost her mind, killed her escorts, and screwed up the vampires and the church's joint business. They wanted to execute her, but Ruthven persuaded the Senate to give her to him and plunged her into a very long sleep so that she could heal her emotional wounds. About senate yeah, i think they will show it later on in the story in the after math of beast of gevaden. But yeah was looking forward to seeing that. I'm a little confused by this. It's being painted as Jeanne's parents betrayed Ruthven and sided with the humans, they were beheaded which lead to Jeanne becoming a bourreau as repercussion, so why does Jeanna then believe she was the reason her parents were killed? |
DarkestNights said: You can say it was kinda like brain washing(not entirely but that did happen in a way)234Mannan said: It is actually mentioned that her parents betrayed in the anime as well though. But i am sure that was not really the case considering the story... About senate yeah, i think they will show it later on in the story in the after math of beast of gevaden. But yeah was looking forward to seeing that. I'm a little confused by this. It's being painted as Jeanne's parents betrayed Ruthven and sided with the humans, they were beheaded which lead to Jeanne becoming a bourreau as repercussion, so why does Jeanna then believe she was the reason her parents were killed? Jeanne, after her parents died, was taught continiously that she was a tool and and if she is unable to follow orders, she would be killed/punished. Jeanne was a toddler not to mention an orphen to. In other words, those words made her assume another scenario. And since her psychological state was pretty bad at that time and considering how that guy with the candle was saying those things, Jeanne as a kid assumed that maybe she did something wrong and her parents paid the price(for which she blamed herself). Also its a classic case of a young child blaming themselves for their parents mistakes(like in reality, a kids usually blame themselves for things like divorce between parents). As she was a orphen and considering her parents were beheaded and not to mention just after that, she was put into that situation in which she was taught to be a tool, Jeanne started blaming herself for everything. I hope this was helpful :) |
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234Mannan said: DarkestNights said: You can say it was kinda like brain washing(not entirely but that did happen in a way)I'm a little confused by this. It's being painted as Jeanne's parents betrayed Ruthven and sided with the humans, they were beheaded which lead to Jeanne becoming a bourreau as repercussion, so why does Jeanna then believe she was the reason her parents were killed? Jeanne, after her parents died, was taught continiously that she was a tool and and if she is unable to follow orders, she would be killed/punished. Jeanne was a toddler not to mention an orphen to. In other words, those words made her assume another scenario. And since her psychological state was pretty bad at that time and considering how that guy with the candle was saying those things, Jeanne as a kid assumed that maybe she did something wrong and her parents paid the price(for which she blamed herself). Also its a classic case of a young child blaming themselves for their parents mistakes(like in reality, a kids usually blame themselves for things like divorce between parents). As she was a orphen and considering her parents were beheaded and not to mention just after that, she was put into that situation in which she was taught to be a tool, Jeanne started blaming herself for everything. I hope this was helpful :) More or less this is what I was leaning towards. The whole time I just wasn't couldn't convince myself on it lol, it does seem like the most logical explanation. I really needed to hear someone double down on this, thanks for reassurance, you most definitely helped. |
DarkestNightsFeb 17, 2022 2:14 PM
| Okay so it felt like this was an episode of two halves, pure chaos in the first one and then a total shift to Jeanne's background in the later. Seems a bit disoriented but anyways was a fine episode. |
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| That was an intense first half although switching to Jeanne's backstory made it a bit awkward but for the most part, it was a solid episode. |
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| Interesting turn of events, so Naenia was the queen all along. Also good to see Roland again. |
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| Everything happened this ep lol |
| Inhales oxygen |
| Spice development with Chloé vain attempt to kill Naenia for defiling Jean-Jacques but Naenia turning out to be the vampire queen |
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| So that is the true nature of Nenia, interesting. And even more so because Jean-jacque's undying loyalty to Chloe made him attack her even as the Beast of Gevaudan even though she's the queen of all vampires. |
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| The flashbacks really kinda feel disjointed compared to the main plot but it is interesting once the whiplash wears off and you figure out what this new scene is trying to tell you. I can't believe Naenia is the Vampire Queen's malnomen...!! The perfect twist after they spent so much time getting us to truly hate her, and the details line up if you remember the strong hints from the first season. |
| Damn... that beginning was some horror. Naine was too much for even Chloe and nearly everything got destroyed in the process but now they have to rescue everyone. Roland is here as well. Jeanne's past was sad as well but let's see what happens next. |
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| YOOOOO the first half of the ep was so insane and attention grabbing. Just throwing plot and lore all over the place. Love it |
| Roland is a man who believes in justice more than human-vampire hatred, just like Noé and Vanitas at a point. And it was amazing how Vanitas was able to snap Jeanne back to reality. |
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