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Did Isayama make the ending horrible on purpose?
Jan 19, 2022 2:15 AM
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[MANGA SPOILERS]
The following paragraphs weren't written by me, but by a random guy on the Internet. One day I was just surfing Reddit when I found this essay (to be specific, a pdf file) about the ending (characters, theme,...) which I found pretty in-depth and well-analyzed (also, sorry Random-guy for stealing your work. I promise I will put in credits as soon as I find the source and thank you in advance). Here are some thoughts of Random-guy why Isayama might've done it:
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Now that we've gone over all of that, I'd like to end this with some of my speculation about why Isayama deliberately wrote something that is so horrible. I think the most likely scenario is that he was forced to change the ending at the last minute, either to avoid the controversy of the protagonist successfully committing genocide or to boost sales since most Japanese fans want the Alliance to survive and for Eren to end up with Mikasa. Either way, this ending is designed to be more marketable and sacrifices quality to appeal to those who only want their fanservice. With how intertwined the story was with the planned ending, just changing one of the two major components of it would've drastically altered the outcome. Turning Eren into some a mindless robot that only thinks of Mikasa all his life the way she thinks of him would've made the reveal that he was the father of Historia's child fail, which would've also made his reason for wiping out the entire world for his family and to spare future generations of this conflict fail. Likewise, making the Alliance win against Eren and keep the cycle of hatred going didn't fit Eren's motivations either. This new ending needed to retcon Eren's plans for a full Rumbling so that he could lose. By that point, it's impossible to salvage the ending since the outcome doesn't match what the rest of the story was written for. Isayama probably figured he might as well just burn the entire story while he's at it and added a lot of things that weren't needed for this changed ending like Eren killing his mother or the comedic tone of the whole chapter. This might've been his way of expressing his frustration with not being able to end the story naturally and he probably turned this new ending into a comedy to make fun of it.
There were a lot of signs of last-minute changes even outside of the things I mentioned about the writing of this chapter. Isayama spoke to Eren's VA in private recently and suggested that he was going to voice another "tatakae" scene in the final chapter, but there was no such scene in the chapter for him to voice. Weirdly enough, the number of pages in the final chapter changed after 138's release. Bessatsu Shōnen Magazine announced that it would have 45 pages a month prior. Then Isayama was told to make a chapter with 52 pages. Then Isayama couldn't stretch it for more than 51 so the editor took the blank page to write an afterword himself. The final chapter should've been planned out at least a few months in advance. Changing the number of pages after 138’s release indicates something in the storyboards changed very late into the process since Isayama normally has the storyboards for the current chapter done by the time the previous chapter is released (at least according to his known schedule). Then there was the final panel that was completely changed in almost every way. There was an exhibition in the middle of 2019 that contained audio of what was supposed to be the final chapter and it sounds like the Rumbling was originally going to continue until the end, but the audio was instead used for chapter 134, 5 chapters before the end. Lastly, MAPPA mentioned not knowing the ending as recently as a few months ago, which is odd because Isayama had told WIT director Araki about his planned ending years ago.


As for the writing itself, the final arc is so bipolar and suffers from tonal whiplash. We went from Eren starting a genocide, to an Avengers-style team-up, back to Eren's genocide in two chapters that give us the strongest proof that this is Eren's end goal, and to a final battle that only results in the Alliance winning and everything that happened in the story prior to it is no longer canon anymore. The dark and tragic tone of Eren's chapters is contrasted with the light and comedic tone of the Alliance chapters. It looks to me that during the final arc, Isayama was no longer sure if he'd get his intended ending and probably kept going back and forth between the direction he wanted for the story and the direction someone else wanted. It would explain why he couldn't even tell MAPPA how it was going to end.
The thing I find most strange about all of this is Isayama's silence. He hasn't spoken about the ending since it ended while his editor has been doing all the talking. His editor has been very vocal and is happy with the way this story ended. He was also the one who had the last word about the series on the last page of the final chapter rather than the actual author himself.
After everything else that I've gone over about the story's writing and its changes, I'd say it's almost certain that this ending was the result of meddling from Isayama's editorial team. I highly doubt Isayama actually wanted this ending considering all the interviews he's given over the years about how he was always focused on the ending, how much the story's themes mean to him (he often talks about parents in this series and his own experience with his parents), and how much he hated the idea of childhood friends getting together, always talking about how Eren doesn't love Mikasa that way and how Mikasa is supposed to separate from Eren. This ending contradicts so many of the things Isayama has said in the past and I don't think it's fair to accuse him of lying to his audience for almost a decade. That's too long for him to keep up the act and you can tell that the story did in fact line up with what he's said before this ending ruined all of it. With how tight-lipped authors can be due to contracts, we'll likely never know for sure what drove Isayama to write an ending like this.
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What are your thoughts?

Jan 19, 2022 2:21 AM
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I'm not reading that but I mean, he did write the ending on purpose...and it just happen to suck. So I guess...probably?
Jan 19, 2022 2:24 AM
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I thought at first that you were tripping but that doesn’t sound that wrong. I’m not a fan of erens motivation at all but finishing your resolve so half assed is weird. And don’t get me started on this whole ymir love thing
Jan 19, 2022 2:24 AM
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Don’t think he purposely wrote a bad story, but I do think the editorial team and maybe even aot huge rise to main stream changed the direction the story was going.
Jan 19, 2022 2:25 AM
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bruhh my comment was deleted lmao, but i guess the ending was kind of rushed. Atleast thats what it felt like, I think Isayama probably just wanted to finish the aot series and move on.
Jan 19, 2022 2:28 AM
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bruhh my comment was deleted lmao, but i guess the ending was kind of rushed. Atleast thats what it felt like, I think Isayama probably just wanted to finish the aot series and move on.

Your reply wasn't deleted. I deleted the post on the anime forum and posted here instead.
Jan 19, 2022 2:32 AM
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Bro where's "IT ISN'T HORRIBLE " option??
And no one's reading that essay shit


Jan 19, 2022 2:48 AM
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Your opinion is trash just sayin
Jan 19, 2022 2:48 AM
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Bro this is a thread talking about the manga so heres a crazy idea for you

POST IT ON THE MANGA FORUM
Jan 19, 2022 2:52 AM

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ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS DROP THE DAMN ANIMÉ CJ
Jan 19, 2022 2:57 AM
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The ending was pretty average, and aside from a few details, much of the final arc plays out as expected from the events of Chapter 123.

That said, I agree that another type of ending could have been much better and interesting.
Jan 19, 2022 3:03 AM
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Why did you go through writing this again. Did the replies not fit your opinion or something? Btw there are many people who don’t give a shit about the ending and just want to watch and enjoy the anime and many of them (including me) don’t know how aot ends so it would be much better if you wrote this in the manga forums.
Jan 19, 2022 3:05 AM

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Now it's all coming together. Well I agree with this, even I sometimes think that ending could have been less horrible if some plot points would have been executed properly. In the end it felt like isayama just didn't cared.
Jan 19, 2022 3:19 AM

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On purpose? As much as it seems like you're making out the author question his own work's integrity, the ending likely could've been compromised by external influence (editorial board, contractual term and conditions, etc.) but even with existing interventions, the core concept should and will still be determined by the author himself. The changes could be made in the logistic area or in-story: events and decisions, for example, but these are nothing more than filters and adjustments that still follow the original idea, or in this case, the ending Isayama envisioned.
Jan 19, 2022 3:34 AM
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I don't get this at all. Eren still committed genocide in the end. If the entire things was to stop controversy, he would have made Eren the bad guy in the end, which he should have been and actually was. The bad part of the ending was the tonal difference between what had actually transpired and what the Manga wanted us to feel. Eren had literally murdered 80 percent of the population for nothing and somehow the Manga wanted me to have sympaphy because he could not get together with the girl he wanted.

The incredible thing with much of the AOT community is that the problem with the ending they seemingly have is that Eren did not commit enough genocide. They think it is to PC or too soft.

The whole Historia thing is actually nonesense to. It is pretty clear from the beginning that Eren and Mikasa were supposed to get together. The author just made Historia pregnant to write her out of the story and give an excuse for not making her to a titan. Attack on titan has always had convenient story telling.
Jan 19, 2022 4:35 AM
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Bro where's "IT ISN'T HORRIBLE " option??
And no one's reading that essay shit
he's got a point tho. Unlike 80% of aot forums these days
Jan 19, 2022 5:11 AM

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The whole story after introducing Avenger's team is ridiculous and horrible.
Jan 19, 2022 5:20 AM

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Um, sorry. I just don't see why a best-selling manga like Attack on Titan should cater to the delusional opinions of some neo Nazi supporters from Reddit. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Turning Eren into a mindless robot that only thinks of Mikasa all his life the way she thinks of him would've made the reveal that he was the father of Historia's child fail, which would've also made his reason for wiping out the entire world for his family and to spare future generations of this conflict fail.
  • Where is it ever stated that Eren was supposed to be the father of Historia's child?
  • Where is it ever stated that Eren's reason for doing the rumbling was to wipe out the entire world for his family and to spare the future generations?


In case you forgot, Eren's mission has always been "to save Mikasa, Armin, and everyone..."; anything else is just head canon.
I just realized that all of my favorite characters, beside being stunningly beautiful, also happen to be exceptionally skilled murder machines. \('-')/

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Jan 19, 2022 5:30 AM

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Yeah definitely no joke he's doing this on purpose, in the end, Isayama just wants to open up a spa after AOT fans cry about the last chapter.


Jan 19, 2022 5:32 AM

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tf are yall even going on about at this point

Jan 19, 2022 5:46 AM
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Whether you like the ending or not, you have to agree that if the editors pulled some shit like this then it's bad. Isayama should've been allowed to conclude the series how he planned it.
Jan 19, 2022 6:41 AM
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Anyone saying the ending doesn’t understand how well the ending fit the story. If you didn’t like the ending then you’re an edgelord who only likes battle shounen.
Jan 19, 2022 6:59 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6GmVCD7cxk&t=1s
I haven't watched the video as I didn't want any spoilers. But this video might really change how you see Eren based on some positive comments I've read.

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Jan 19, 2022 7:00 AM

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Well he managed to make the entirety of the story preceding it horrible unintentionally, so I doubt it.
Well I for one already loved Lain.
Jan 19, 2022 7:01 AM
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In Ending I think 1 thing Is missing Eren's Fate and Recpect I think Which is he is deserve after What he has Secrifice and Suffer...In last Ch People even Don't care What he did . Exception Mikasa even Armin...
Jan 19, 2022 7:10 AM

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here's a good idea since this long ass analysis is about the manga why not just post it in the manga forum? it's as simple as that
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Jan 19, 2022 7:14 AM
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Author Comments on Changes to "Attack on Titan" Ending

In an interview with White-Screen.jp, Isayama has said that he's been evolving his manga, with new elements being added.

However, one of the more substantial changes to the series' direction is that he was abandoned plans for an audience traumatizing ending. He had been thinking about something along the lines of the Frank Darabont adaptation Stephen King's The Mist, but response to the series, and especially his anime adaptation has left him unable take that path, and a bit lost. With all the support that the series has received, he didn't want to slam the fans with a traumatic conclusion.

Isayama can certainly empathize with fans. As bit of an otaku, he touches on his appreciation of Jojo's Bizarre Adventure and Muv-Luv during the course of the interview.

https://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2013/12/06-1/author-commands-on-changes-to-attack-on-titan-ending

If Marley Arc is progressing as you had originally visualized, then the ending of the whole story…?

Isayama: "Although I’m progressing towards the ending that had been set before, my approach towards the ending itself has changed from the original plans. Because now I feel responsible towards the reader. I originally wanted to illustrate something similar to the film “The Mist.”"

From the perspective of that film’s main characters, it’s hard to say that it has happy ending. The original ending for Shingeki no Kyojin originally went in that direction?

Isayama: "By the middle of the film, the story of The Mist is at the typical level of a B-list movie. But at its conclusion, it used the main character’s deep, intrinsic beliefs of what’s right to corrupt the main character himself, leading him to act in contrary ways. What the audience believed to be correct is also flipped upside-down. In the beginning, I spent a while analyzing how to imitate this style for Shingeki no Kyojin."

When you say “in the beginning” you mean…?

Isayama: "At first I explored emulating The Mist, but now you could say that I’m moving in a more peaceful direction, similar to Guardians of the Galaxy. I’m not talking about whether Shingeki no Kyojin will have a good or bad ending - I only speak of my own attitude as the creator, as well as differences in my methods of ensuring that the readers enjoy the series."

https://www.reddit.com/r/ShingekiNoKyojin/comments/f471my/manga_spoilers_the_latest_isayama_interview/

he did it himself, he changed the ending as far as 2013
Jan 19, 2022 7:15 AM
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He didn't do it on purpose, he's just a bad writer. Or, more precisely, a bad ending writer
Jan 19, 2022 7:54 AM
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Aot fans need to chill. People are blindly hating on it without trying to understand it.
Jan 19, 2022 7:54 AM
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Aot fans need to chill. People are blindly hating on it without trying to understand it.
Jan 19, 2022 7:57 AM

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Waiting for the thread to be deleted.
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Jan 19, 2022 8:21 AM
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No he didn't cus the ending was masterpiece
Jan 19, 2022 9:37 AM
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Lol, damn crybabies. Just because it didn't end how you wanted, that doesn't mean it's objectively horrible.
Jan 19, 2022 9:50 AM

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Man this conspiracy theory stuff is good. I do have a feeling that maybe he was forced to change the ending and in doing so wanted to let out his anger and completely drop the ball towards the end. The last few chapters feel very weird and if I'm correct I think his editor had been changed somewhere around chapter during 122-132? I remember seeing this somewhere so someone correct me if I'm wrong. There's also another part of me that thinks he just really didn't have a clear idea on how to end it and instead his editor/s got control of it and introduced there own ideas with some of Isayamas and it just becomes a huge mess of clashing ideas. I honestly think Isayama should've taken a break from this manga, 10 years at least. (Sorry I just had to do it). Anyways that's my take on this.
Jan 19, 2022 9:54 AM
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i personally liked the ending and dont really understand pols saying eren lose his resolve or whatever cuz we werent in erens head? i dont think we were supposed to know erens true intentions until they were revealed to us.
Jan 19, 2022 10:01 AM

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it's good lmao u just don't understand eren
ps im not gonna read that essay lmaooo
Jan 19, 2022 10:04 AM

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I actually liked the ending. I don’t understand where the hate is coming from at all.
Jan 19, 2022 11:12 AM

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Anyone who thinks he didn’t is out of his mind.
Jan 19, 2022 5:50 PM

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Anyone who thinks he didn’t is out of his mind.


so what do you think will happen now?
Jan 20, 2022 1:40 AM
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Honestly it was kinda bad... But i think it was a really good and suitable ending for aot series
Jan 20, 2022 4:35 AM

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so what do you think will happen now?

It depends on the reasoning. If editor-kun is at fault for this ending, we won’t see a thing of Isayama’s real ending. If it was planned, we’ll see an alternative ending in the manga, as well as the anime.

What we definitely won’t see, however, is an Anime Original Ending, or an ending in which
Jan 20, 2022 5:04 AM
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The only problem the ending had, was the same problem that plagued the story ever since the Marley arc dropped. Meaning that Eren's thoughts were kept hidden for a really long time and were revealed in pieces. The dialogue also wasn't as good as it should have been, given that Eren's arc and development were incredibly ambitious. The dialogue should have clarified Eren's mindset better, but once you understand the guy, then the ending and by extension the entirety of the second part of the story become way better.

I guess Isayama wanted to surprise the readers with Eren being treated as a mystery box, but it backfired, because his execution was not great. He created a very perplexing character that required quite a lot of analysis to appreciate and even then many people still disagree about Eren's thinking process.

Other than that, the ending is quite predictable and i just can't see how people expected something else. It was fine. Nothing groundbreaking, but it was a fitting conclusion. Also, the chapters before 139 were some of the best, like 130, 131 and 138. The final arc had some of the best moments in the series.

In essence, Isayama wrote a good ending, but he could have done a better job. He didn't botch anything. He still has the anime to try and fix whatever mistakes he thinks he made, since he himself wasn't completely satisfied with his portrayal of the themes towards the end of the series.
Jan 20, 2022 5:07 AM

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He prolly had plans where eren won, but he was getting death threats as to not kill the alliance characters. He was in a pinch.

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