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Oct 19, 2021 11:30 PM
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This show fucking sucks lmao. Three episodes and it feels like less than an episode's worth of content has happened. 90% of the scenes are panning shots of characters standing around. The characters are boring and terrible. The tone is all over the place too - is this a serious geopolitical war show, or gundam build divers/digimon? It's too boring to be a children's series and too stupid and flat to be a show for adults.

And yet it has a higher score than Back Arrow, despite sharing the same audience.

Arrow was rad btw
Oct 19, 2021 11:41 PM
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Dude, it's been like only 3 episodes.
Oct 19, 2021 11:43 PM
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3DCG is hated by many fans especially here on MAL and Back Arrow is 3DCG
Oct 19, 2021 11:44 PM
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Nyron said:

Arrow was rad btw

Naaah, it had another big problem - it was excessively melodramatic. Tearjerker tropes, absurd twists for the sake of it and they even stole the main villain from Orguss 2.
Also you are comparing a super robot to a real robot show. Kyoukai Senki being the second type is supposed to do some "boring" technical stuff instead of the "who will put the most convincing speech" battle shounen shtick.
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Oct 20, 2021 12:06 AM
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alshu said:
Nyron said:

Arrow was rad btw

Naaah, it had another big problem - it was excessively melodramatic. Tearjerker tropes, absurd twists for the sake of it and they even stole the main villain from Orguss 2.
Also you are comparing a super robot to a real robot show. Kyoukai Senki being the second type is supposed to do some "boring" technical stuff instead of the "who will put the most convincing speech" battle shounen shtick.


Yeah but this is really dull regardless of it being RR show. Can't think of any Gundams that started this anemic

Also just watched Rumble Garanndoll and it's the same god damn show as this, beat-for-beat but a super robot show lmfao. But even regardless of the genre, the characters and world are generally more interesting, and it hasn't stopped its pacing to deliver a 20 minute long exposition yet
Oct 20, 2021 12:14 AM
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Dude, it's been like only 3 episodes.

can you look at me in the eyes and tell me that the main character will become interesting? That you are at all interested in this cast? In anything that's going on at all? after 70 minutes, we have a bland MC with no motivations casually joining a bland army to fight some bland villains. where is the hook, exactly? nothing has fucking happened, and even worse, there is nothing that's set up anything to anticipate

by episode 2, Rumble has done 3x more with less. it even had a "MC talks to the revel army girl about how she lost her family" scene and it was better lmao. It's seriously the same show but unilaterally better.
NyronOct 20, 2021 12:38 AM
Oct 20, 2021 12:31 AM
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Nyron said:

Yeah but this is really dull regardless of it being RR show.

Yep, they don't know what to do with the characters (thus they do the "bullied teenager" shtick) and with the story in general. Its only good parts are the mecha porn and the tactics which somewhat make sense in universe.
My point was - it's expected for a real robot to have slower pacing...also Back Arrow used its faster pacing for melodrama instead for something interesting (thus I am liking Kyoukai Senki better).

Nyron said:
Also just watched Rumble Garanndoll and it's the same god damn show as this, beat-for-beat but a super robot show lmfao.

They are very different beasts if you ask me. Gyakuten Sekai no Denchi Shoujo is really intense and mainly a parody show chock-full with otaku references.
Yes, they have a similar thing going on - recruitment by a supposed terrorist organisation (hummm, Muteking the Dancing Hero has it too) still totally different approach (and both getting it wrong, Gyakuten Sekai no Denchi Shoujo doing in on purpose tho).
Oct 20, 2021 12:38 AM
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alshu said:
Nyron said:

Yeah but this is really dull regardless of it being RR show.

Yep, they don't know what to do with the characters (thus they do the "bullied teenager" shtick) and with the story in general. Its only good parts are the mecha porn and the tactics which somewhat make sense in universe.
My point was - it's expected for a real robot to have slower pacing...also Back Arrow used its faster pacing for melodrama instead for something interesting (thus I am liking Kyoukai Senki better).

Nyron said:
Also just watched Rumble Garanndoll and it's the same god damn show as this, beat-for-beat but a super robot show lmfao.

They are very different beasts if you ask me. Gyakuten Sekai no Denchi Shoujo is really intense and mainly a parody show chock-full with otaku references.
Yes, they have a similar thing going on - recruitment by a supposed terrorist organisation (hummm, Muteking the Dancing Hero has it too) still totally different approach (and both getting it wrong, Gyakuten Sekai no Denchi Shoujo doing in on purpose tho).
Chill.. We'll see where this goes.and fuck off, we don't get 2d Mecha's this often lol

Rumble Garrandoll is straight up parody tho.
Oct 20, 2021 1:39 AM
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You say that as though you're surprised that MAL's scores are all out of whack.
Well I for one already loved Lain.
Oct 20, 2021 4:07 AM
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I love both shows so idk what to say.
I hated that back arrow didn't get much attention, but I'm kinda happy this is getting some.
Oct 20, 2021 8:28 AM

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Rumble Garrandoll is straight up parody tho.

And my "Gyakuten Sekai no Denchi Shoujo is really intense and mainly a parody show chock-full with otaku references." says otherwise?
Oct 20, 2021 9:47 AM
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The score is better because it's made by the legendary Sunrise company, the same one that Made Code Geass, and Gundam series in the past that won Anime Grand Prix multiple times. But so far the story, mecha, and the characters are fanatastic. You need to watch more Mecha anime from Sunrise to understand it more. For me this anime is already the best in 2021.
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bacd1990 said:
The score is better because it's made by the legendary Sunrise company, the same one that Made Code Geass, and Gundam series in the past that won Anime Grand Prix multiple times. But so far the story, mecha, and the characters are fanatastic. You need to watch more Mecha anime from Sunrise to understand it more. For me this anime is already the best in 2021.


Do you have brain damage? Do you drink bleach?
Oct 21, 2021 3:10 AM
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Nyron said:
bacd1990 said:
The score is better because it's made by the legendary Sunrise company, the same one that Made Code Geass, and Gundam series in the past that won Anime Grand Prix multiple times. But so far the story, mecha, and the characters are fanatastic. You need to watch more Mecha anime from Sunrise to understand it more. For me this anime is already the best in 2021.


Do you have brain damage? Do you drink bleach?
It's seems that you are too lazy to do some searching so here is a brief history.
List of years that Sunrise won Anime Grand Prix:
1979 - Mobile Suit Gundam
1980 - Mobile Suit Gundam
2002 - Gundam SEED
2004 - Gundam SEED Destiny
2005 - Gundam SEED Destiny
2006 - Code Geass
2007 - Code Geass
2008 - Code Geass R2
2016 - Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans
Next time give me more detailed arguments why do you think this show is bad, and what show is much better siuted to win Anime Grand Prix of 2021 with proper details.
Oct 21, 2021 4:44 AM
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bacd1990 said:
Nyron said:


Do you have brain damage? Do you drink bleach?
It's seems that you are too lazy to do some searching so here is a brief history.
List of years that Sunrise won Anime Grand Prix:
1979 - Mobile Suit Gundam
1980 - Mobile Suit Gundam
2002 - Gundam SEED
2004 - Gundam SEED Destiny
2005 - Gundam SEED Destiny
2006 - Code Geass
2007 - Code Geass
2008 - Code Geass R2
2016 - Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans
Next time give me more detailed arguments why do you think this show is bad, and what show is much better siuted to win Anime Grand Prix of 2021 with proper details.


I've seen all of those shows, and AMAIM is none of those shows. I've also seen dozens of other mecha works.

I can't even fathom anyone who's seen more than two anime in their whole life saying that this series' story, character or mecha are anything close to "fantastic." It's just fucking outrageous. It's "inoffensive" at best.
Oct 21, 2021 9:42 PM
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Don't like it, don't watch it lmao.
Oct 22, 2021 6:21 AM
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Nyron said:
bacd1990 said:
It's seems that you are too lazy to do some searching so here is a brief history.
List of years that Sunrise won Anime Grand Prix:
1979 - Mobile Suit Gundam
1980 - Mobile Suit Gundam
2002 - Gundam SEED
2004 - Gundam SEED Destiny
2005 - Gundam SEED Destiny
2006 - Code Geass
2007 - Code Geass
2008 - Code Geass R2
2016 - Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans
Next time give me more detailed arguments why do you think this show is bad, and what show is much better siuted to win Anime Grand Prix of 2021 with proper details.


I've seen all of those shows, and AMAIM is none of those shows. I've also seen dozens of other mecha works.

I can't even fathom anyone who's seen more than two anime in their whole life saying that this series' story, character or mecha are anything close to "fantastic." It's just fucking outrageous. It's "inoffensive" at best.

You are jumping into conclusions too quickly about the amount of anime that I have watched. I have been watching anime for over 21 year (since year 2000 in TV series and then since 2007 on internet like youtube), and it would take at least 3 days of work to put them all to this account (one of the reaons why i didn't log in for so many years to this webside). I would have to score differently anime based on formula like OVA, 13 episode structure, 25 episode structure, 50 episode structure, long term shonen anime series (One Piece, Bleach, Psyren ect.), and finally movies. Even working on score criteria is pain in th ass because you must take into acount source material for example if it's light novel adaptation (SAO), manga, or anime original tv series.
Ps. I asked for "detailed arguments why do you think this show is bad, and what show is much better " not just few short sentences. "presEXCO" - Comment sum this post perfectly.
Oct 22, 2021 1:07 PM
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presEXCO said:
Don't like it, don't watch it lmao.

i intend on watching this entire show and having the #1 review, which will be a 4/10, while also updating all of you on how much it sucks week-by-week

though I would really, really enjoy it suddenly becoming good
Oct 23, 2021 8:53 PM
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I mean, they are both Saturday morning cartoons, shows intended for a younger audience, that are meant to be relatively elementary. They are also both very anachronistic; they feel ripped from 2005. These aren't meant for avid seasonal viewers who scrutinize every moment of every episode. This is another concept westerners, sub readers, don't understand: these are either shows for kids or shows you enjoy as background noise.
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bacd1990 said:
Nyron said:


Do you have brain damage? Do you drink bleach?
It's seems that you are too lazy to do some searching so here is a brief history.
List of years that Sunrise won Anime Grand Prix:
1979 - Mobile Suit Gundam
1980 - Mobile Suit Gundam
2002 - Gundam SEED
2004 - Gundam SEED Destiny
2005 - Gundam SEED Destiny
2006 - Code Geass
2007 - Code Geass
2008 - Code Geass R2
2016 - Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans
Next time give me more detailed arguments why do you think this show is bad, and what show is much better siuted to win Anime Grand Prix of 2021 with proper details.

This is Sunrise Beyond, a new sub studio, their only success is Build Divers Re:RISE.

Guess what? Back Arrow has the Code Geass director and Gurren Lagann writer and it still failed to capture a good rating.

Look I love Sunrise but this isn't the new Gundam or Code Geass, this is the new Valvrave/Buddy Complex and even those had better world building and reason's for conflict:
- Buddy Complex invents a fictional mineral/energy source like Code Geass did to justify its war.
- Valvrave: The Liberator has a neutral nation caught between two super powers (copying Gundam SEED) and said nation being left out of the alien vampire conspiracy.

Kyoukai Senki rips off Code Geass but forgot the crucial element; why bother conquering Japan?

Rumble Garanndoll didn't forget this and does an original spin (having a country being invaded by an alternate militaristic version of itself).

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Oct 24, 2021 5:48 PM

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Nyron said:
This show fucking sucks lmao. Three episodes and it feels like less than an episode's worth of content has happened. 90% of the scenes are panning shots of characters standing around. The characters are boring and terrible. The tone is all over the place too - is this a serious geopolitical war show, or gundam build divers/digimon? It's too boring to be a children's series and too stupid and flat to be a show for adults.

And yet it has a higher score than Back Arrow, despite sharing the same audience.

Arrow was rad btw

Probably the 3DCG.

Yeah, Back Arrow is better at being an SR than Kyoukai Senki is at being RR.

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Oct 25, 2021 12:44 PM

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I kinda like this show more. Yes, the mc is boring, but those mecha battles with no CGI look better.

Judging from the first 4 episodes I think overall this show deserves to have a higher score, though if you ask me both shows should be above 7.
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Both are mecha but Back Arrow is Super Robot show when Kyoukai Senki is real war story, it's difficult to compare them in term of plot and characters tho. I love both for what they are.

The only thing can explain why Back Arrow has a lower score is people taste. Kyoukai Senki is at least, a traditional mech, warfare story that did nothing out of its genre so far, which can satisfies the normal mech fans (me). Meanwhile Back Arrow combines weird fantasy plot points, unique but not everyone's cup of tea and I can guarantee that traditional mech fans wouldnt like their stories being 80% comedy and 20% seriousness even if the story has its own deep message. That is like how people hate Valvrave lmao. Back Arrow also has LQ drawing during the whole cour 1 until they get a freaking upgrade in cour 2. But it was too late.

Beside, Kyoukai Senki's score right now is lower than I expected, showing how Mecha is pretty niche nowadays anw unless that show is Gundam or Code Geass. I'm already surprised by how many mech shows I'm given this season and I cant complain, I miss these so much.
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I mean, they are both Saturday morning cartoons, shows intended for a younger audience, that are meant to be relatively elementary. They are also both very anachronistic; they feel ripped from 2005. These aren't meant for avid seasonal viewers who scrutinize every moment of every episode. This is another concept westerners, sub readers, don't understand: these are either shows for kids or shows you enjoy as background noise.
Nyron said:
presEXCO said:
Don't like it, don't watch it lmao.

i intend on watching this entire show and having the #1 review, which will be a 4/10, while also updating all of you on how much it sucks week-by-week

though I would really, really enjoy it suddenly becoming good


bruh.. are you 10 or what?
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Doodoo_Man said:
character345 said:
I mean, they are both Saturday morning cartoons, shows intended for a younger audience, that are meant to be relatively elementary. They are also both very anachronistic; they feel ripped from 2005. These aren't meant for avid seasonal viewers who scrutinize every moment of every episode. This is another concept westerners, sub readers, don't understand: these are either shows for kids or shows you enjoy as background noise.
Nyron said:

i intend on watching this entire show and having the #1 review, which will be a 4/10, while also updating all of you on how much it sucks week-by-week

though I would really, really enjoy it suddenly becoming good


bruh.. are you 10 or what?
Guy has some serious issues, he can't even give a proper arguments why he hates this show.
Oct 26, 2021 6:07 AM
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Seriously, you have screw loose for liking back arrow.
Oct 26, 2021 5:46 PM
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bacd1990 said:
Doodoo_Man said:


bruh.. are you 10 or what?
Guy has some serious issues, he can't even give a proper arguments why he hates this show.


Didn't I already? It's fucking boring is the biggest one, the characters are flat and uninteresting, and there's basically no hook to speak of. A kid just trips over a robot and now he's doing stuff. Japan has been taken over, but for no reason that's immediately evident. The robot designs are ugly. The animation is 2D, but it doesn't actually look good - the mecha look like blobs of legos most of the time.

episode 4 was the best ep by far though. stuff is finally happening!!!

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Seriously, you have screw loose for liking back arrow.


favorites: inuyasha
lmfao sit down
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bacd1990 said:
The score is better because it's made by the legendary Sunrise company, the same one that Made Code Geass, and Gundam series in the past that won Anime Grand Prix multiple times. But so far the story, mecha, and the characters are fanatastic. You need to watch more Mecha anime from Sunrise to understand it more. For me this anime is already the best in 2021.


A bit late to this, but actually the fact I have watched so much Sunrise mecha makes this one feel kinda...dull lol. I'll stick with it probs and like the actual idea is fine, but it feels so bland in execution so far in comparison to every other Sunrise mecha show I've watched that has a similar plot. Back Arrow also kind of started dull though and then got extremely good, so I'll be patient ig with it.
*generic image of favorite characters with a sappy quote or "aesthetics"*

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Nov 3, 2021 7:49 AM
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Pyro81300 said:
bacd1990 said:
The score is better because it's made by the legendary Sunrise company, the same one that Made Code Geass, and Gundam series in the past that won Anime Grand Prix multiple times. But so far the story, mecha, and the characters are fanatastic. You need to watch more Mecha anime from Sunrise to understand it more. For me this anime is already the best in 2021.


A bit late to this, but actually the fact I have watched so much Sunrise mecha makes this one feel kinda...dull lol. I'll stick with it probs and like the actual idea is fine, but it feels so bland in execution so far in comparison to every other Sunrise mecha show I've watched that has a similar plot. Back Arrow also kind of started dull though and then got extremely good, so I'll be patient ig with it.


Yeah but when was the last time sunrise made a good mecha show tho
Cross Ange?
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Cross Ange was better than this.

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Nov 3, 2021 9:36 PM
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OP doing the lord's work
this show is weaponized boredom
Nov 4, 2021 10:24 PM
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Cross Ange was better than this.

well yeah that's because Cross Ange is a mastahpiece
Nov 6, 2021 4:46 AM

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Back Arrow was good, this just keeps getting worse.
Nov 8, 2021 10:54 AM

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Haven't watched Back Arrow but I'd say Megaton-kyuu Musashi is a bit more enjoyable than this despite its lower rating of 5.69.
Nov 10, 2021 10:39 AM

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Takao_Bl00driver said:
Seriously, you have screw loose for liking back arrow.


Seriously, you have like 10 screws loose for not liking Back Arrow.
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Fortress_Maximus said:
bacd1990 said:
It's seems that you are too lazy to do some searching so here is a brief history.
List of years that Sunrise won Anime Grand Prix:
1979 - Mobile Suit Gundam
1980 - Mobile Suit Gundam
2002 - Gundam SEED
2004 - Gundam SEED Destiny
2005 - Gundam SEED Destiny
2006 - Code Geass
2007 - Code Geass
2008 - Code Geass R2
2016 - Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans
Next time give me more detailed arguments why do you think this show is bad, and what show is much better siuted to win Anime Grand Prix of 2021 with proper details.

This is Sunrise Beyond, a new sub studio, their only success is Build Divers Re:RISE.

Guess what? Back Arrow has the Code Geass director and Gurren Lagann writer and it still failed to capture a good rating.

Look I love Sunrise but this isn't the new Gundam or Code Geass, this is the new Valvrave/Buddy Complex and even those had better world building and reason's for conflict:
- Buddy Complex invents a fictional mineral/energy source like Code Geass did to justify its war.
- Valvrave: The Liberator has a neutral nation caught between two super powers (copying Gundam SEED) and said nation being left out of the alien vampire conspiracy.

Kyoukai Senki rips off Code Geass but forgot the crucial element; why bother conquering Japan?

Rumble Garanndoll didn't forget this and does an original spin (having a country being invaded by an alternate militaristic version of itself).


the sub studio have some ex xebec animators too and the director was one of the founder of xebec before.
Nov 15, 2021 3:43 PM

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They're both good yet MAL retards hate mecha for some reason.
Nov 17, 2021 7:34 AM

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This thread feels like a crash course in why mecha discussions are some of the most toxic in the entire medium. You cant just like a show and be done with it you need to foem a victim complex that something isnt highly rated as something nothing like it and sperg out at the sight of disagreement.


Normalize accepting you have unpopular opinions and sell shows on that train of thought. You watched and liked an unpopular kids cartoon its not a fucking badge of honor

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Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

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normalize accepting these nuts
Nov 19, 2021 12:16 AM
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Episode 7 was pretty good
It turns out this show is alright of you completely omit the main characters
Dec 27, 2021 7:44 AM

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Back Arrow was at least fun in its own way, but AMAIM was not.

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