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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- This show really loves talks about revenge, even though Yukimura states that her revenge is over. Elena is continously protrayed as a femme fatale, something that I'd say is deadly and suited for her personality. I have to say though, even with her deadly charms, she's a pretty skilled fighter. Yukiamura needs a reason to keep fighting but she should also listen to Elena's advice about trusting in herself. |
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| With Sawa's less-than-stellar revenge complete with the saving of Asahi, we enter into the 2nd arc (or Book 2: The Snow Continues to Fall) of the show. Sawa is still part of Nue, but the way that Jin puts it kinda distills it in a condescending way that doesn't diminish her sins of the past. Another instance of revenge, but coming off from the two-faced Tsukishiro this time: to achieve total freedom. I'm surprised that Elena can move THIS MUCH when she's pregnant, it's like a 50-50 stretch of care is given. The real deal between Sawa and Elena is not so much their hatred, but the future they so desire and choose to make out of their situation. With more gruelling murders (e.g. Elena self-suiciding as a means of escape), Sawa better find a way to ride this out with Asahi. Getting a bit disingenious about the setting for this part... |
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| “You have to die, this time it’s real poison” *gives poison* “onee-chan! Onee-chan!” Lmaoo wtf type of logic. I’m kinda confused on where the show goes from here. Sawa lived for her revenge and now that she has it, what purpose does she have in life ? Too bad about Elena “committing suicide” I don’t think there’s ever a way out of that lifestyle quietly. |
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| At least, she rescued Asahi and now her revenge is complete. Too bad her brother wasn't able to survive. But, he was right she's not alone anymore. Asahi is still clumsy as ever but she's just too adorable. Also, looks like Elena is pregnant. Things got out of hand there in the car, I don't think Makoto is dead. I'm more concerned about that driver. LOL That was not necessary and things could've gone better, suicide is never an answer. I'm curious what's next for Yuki now? She's already taken care of her revenge. |
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| So they're not going to kill each other? Disappointed. Asahi actually sounds crazy threatening Sawa everyday. Either poison her ramen or gtfo. What is going on? The animators sure do love playing with lights or whatever. And did Tsuki get a prosthetic arm two hours after his/hers got chomped off? Jin is a savage. I think I'm starting to like him. If only he'd stop that whispering thing he does. I'm not sure if this episode was decent or I'm just desensitized to the foolishness at this point. |
| Sawa has lost it, you can't really blame her though. |
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| It's pretty obvious that Elena didn't commit suicide. The shogunate/Nue doesn't want lose ends causing trouble. The "new life" was just a ruse to get her to let her guard down. Makoto is probably alive and want's Sawa to fake her death so she can leave the organization, and haver her work for her and her accomplices. |
| Based gov killing the slut. |
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| It sure looks like the organization had her killed, but then why go through all the theatrics if they wanted her dead? |
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| Elena had it coming, good riddance. Blue_Maroon said: While the plot was never this anime’s strength, now that Janome is dead it seems to be in limbo. I don’t know if I buy the blonde executioner dying like that. We never saw their faces or got confirmation, so it may just be a cover-up to conceal their new identities. I thought her talk with Yuki before she retired was pretty good though. That might be the case. |
FMmatronApr 27, 2021 11:35 AM
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| While the plot was never this anime’s strength, now that Janome is dead it seems to be in limbo. I don’t know if I buy the blonde executioner dying like that. We never saw their faces or got confirmation, so it may just be a cover-up to conceal their new identities. I thought her talk with Yuki before she retired was pretty good though. |
| I wonder whenever the two women say "I hate you" do they actually mean "I love you" in a sarcastic platonic way. |
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| So Sawa and Elena died just like that... everything about this episode felt really underwhelming. |
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| I think this series is very underrated, every episode has interesting themes and lots of plot twists!! |
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| Revenge revenge and more revenge. Well not like it's bad. It's interesting. The OP is really good IMO. |
   “You yourself have to change first, or nothing will change for you!” ' |
| Yet another cliffhanger this episode. This one being possibly the biggest one yet, Sawa's supposed suicide. At least Asahi finally managed to pull it off - that is, if Sawa really dies. Elena also supposedly met a tragic end this episode. It was off screen and we didn't see her face, so there is also no confirmation there. She could have either faked her death to leave the organization, or been assassinated by the organization for trying to leave, as per her name-change plan. |
| I doubt elena has really died, could just been a cover up A new life A new namold in ashes |
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| At this point. I can’t even make up what’s going to happen next episode. In a mere episode Sawa are Elena are dead. It’d be funny if they got isekai’d into another world. |
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| Elena is definitely still alive, right before the explosion there was a scene of her leaving her house. Everyone is leaving now, are we going to get introduced to new characters? This pacing is just very fast to me. |
| I don’t know why I still had faith in this anime. The new arc looks like it’s gonna be a little bit better, but seriously that ending scene made me laugh my ass off. |
under”Mebius” is my salvation  |
| I'm sure neither Elena nor Tsukishiro are actually dead. Lmao that ending scene though, you have the conviction to give Sawa the poison, then when she takes it, you start freaking out when she begins dying from.....that poison you just gave her 10 seconds ago. I'm curious to see where the show goes from here, since the revenge plot is already done and they're leading us to believe the main characters are all "dead." |
| People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime. Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait. |
| SHE CAN'T JUST DIE HALFWAY THROUGH WTF |
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| I'm guessing Sawa's powers might activate and save her, or the kid has an antidote with her, or her body just overpowers it cause plot armor lol. |
| This episode was the antidote for anyone having a nice day. It will darken your mood and leave you in a WTF state of mind. I slog through this series hoping for some character to really care about...so far....no. Maybe in the next episode.... |
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| i was so happy that elena was pregnant and actually wanted to take care of the baby but she died on the same fucking episode damn. she was a bitch but i liked her, definitely gonna miss her. have a feeling makoto and sawa isn't dead yet, especially sawa since ,, she's the main character but i rly hope makoto isn't dead yet i just got attached to them come on |
| Elena's "death" is a message that you can't runaway from the Organization, even if you are pregnant. Poor Elena and her unborn child. But, is she really dead? Considering that she know what happening in the organization, she must have suspected that they're going to do it that's why she told Sawa to not trust anyone aside from yourself. Now that Sawa executed her revenge, I guess it's time to destroy the Organization.  |
byKazna said: I think it's pretty obvious that none of the main trio characters are dead. The first scene of the episode is literally Sawa's funeral, so it's a fast forward that we'll probably see in the near future. Imo, what happened here is that Tsukishiro somehow managed to survive (they didn't show her dead) and sent that poison to the child to fake Sawa's death and "free" her from Nue (that's what the funeral was about). Elena´s case is a bit more sketchy, but for sure it wasn't suicide. I believe she wanted to have that baby, so it's either her faking her death to do the same thing as Sawa or Nue killed her indeed as a warning to Sawa. This is the most interesting part of the show so far, so i'm starting to get my hopes up just a bit. While I agree I dont think they are all dead I just think it has been so poorly done so far. It seems like this anime is trying to do too much with too little. |
| Good episode! Also a rather depressing one. Now that Sawa has achieved her revenge, there's really nothing left for her, except maybe Asahi. Though I doubt all of them are really dead, Tsukishiro probably uno reversed card that driver. For Elena I am not that sure, there's plenty of possibilities for her. She either killed themselves to start a new life, so the government won't catch catch and kill them or they're actually dead dead. For Sawa, her powers might save her? Well, it's still not really clear who the true antagonist is, but it might be Tokugawa? Not sure, but we'll find out eventually. |
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| ??? so thats it? she just died like that? |
| Enyone know real life government special forces organisation that is killing their loyal servants when they want to retire? I find the idea of organisation like this rather silly. |
| With all respect, Asahi parents getting killed by Sawa was a good thing. Sawa death is just fake, her constitution is different than a normal human, and probably was a poison that should be diluted in food, and just stopped her heart temporally in pure, and next episode she will probably rise from the ground on her "wraith" form. |
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| Well, whether all the current Nue agents are out of the picture or not, at least two new agents should be introduced soon. |
| Well, Asahi doesn't have big injuries before that scene with the fire, but meh Despite the incongruities of the previous chapters, this was fine |
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| I really want to like this with the style and gritty setting and twisting loyalties, but the characters are so incredibly flat that all these elements that should make an interesting plot bounce right off them. Think I'm done with this. |
| Not too terribly surprisingly, this felt like an episode that was floundering quite a bit. Maybe that's partially intentional as a way of reflecting Sawa's depression and post-traumatic breakdown, Elena getting pregnant, and Makoto fumbling around in general, but given the writing in the show so far, I'm not terribly inclined to give it the benefit of the doubt. Especially not when it was so hamfisted about so much of it, particularly Elena spending the entire episode fussing over her stomach. Literally every damn scene this episode, to be immediately followed by "Is it that obvious?" Yes. Yes it was. It's also a bit far out of character for her of all of them to go "Welp, gonna be a mother. That's the end of everything I want to do with my life." Her death was also about as convincing as Sawa's. A burned house with someone with blonde hair. Well, that's airtight evidence. At least blow her up in front of Sawa. |
| No, I'm not gonna trust burned bodies in anime. |
Janethan23 said: I wonder whenever the two women say "I hate you" do they actually mean "I love you" in a sarcastic platonic way. Well, it was almost literally "I hate you, but I will miss you." Andrzej2 said: Enyone know real life government special forces organisation that is killing their loyal servants when they want to retire? I find the idea of organisation like this rather silly. You underestimate the dangers of valuable secrets in politics. Even if we do not turn into supporters of conspiracy theories, there is still a lot of crap in the world, the truth about which can destroy a couple of regimes or start several wars. |
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| I have no idea what's going on. Really, I don't know what I'm watching lol this show is leaving a lot of loose ends that I have no idea how are they going to end it with a good closure. Also this show fucking loves to end the episodes with cliffhangers, stop please. |
NiandraLadesApr 29, 2021 7:54 PM
| I think Sawa's next revenge is against the organization, I can't see it going in any other direction. Little sister is a little bit annoying, always saying she will get her revenge when obviously she was saved from terrible parents. I can't understand her logics. |
| Vide cor Meum |
| Sooo...what is main plot again? |
| "The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there." "Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life." |
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