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| I rarely ever post anything, instead I prefer to lurk but I saw too many people criticizing this season so I decided to make a post. What most people who claim that this arc plot twist is " too obvious " don't get is that there isn't enough time do properly establish a mystery with all its elements in anime form which is very limited comparing to the visual novels and also we still don't know all the implications of satoko being the culprit so it doesn't really make sense to say that this will ruin the og or anything like that. All in all, the people who got the clues should be happy and some of the ones who say it was too obvious or didn't didn't even get it before the reveal, for the gun scene, yeah it was kinda weird but she could be hiding it in her skirt or back with a strap, we don't see anyone touching her in the classroom. Sorry for the bad grammar, not my native language. And for other points such as torture porn or whatever, people are just coping because the sequel is not as they thought anda the of higurashi had scebes like that too ( Rena chopping teppei and Rina ; Rika vs shion ; shion torturing satoko) what are you even talking about ? |
Nevermind_EgyJan 29, 2021 4:22 AM
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| This is such a terrible iteration: I had completely forgotten last week's context - it's so unmemorable, dull and trying way too hard to overtake its VN predecessor. Ryukishi07's work as a public servant and personal experience in creating the original story goes above and beyond this garbage that focuses on gruesome morality, something the 2007 adaptation suffered from as well. Mystery is completely removed from the equation giving an overwhelming overture of gore-porn. This series' 'new' adaptation is unnecessary and gives off the feeling of corporate suits rather than an actual anime feel. |
| Lie until what you want to be true becomes truth. Lie until you can't remember what's a lie and what isn't. Lie until you aren't lying anymore! Figures  |
| ok satoko just whips out a pistol out of nowhere xD. Is she not grateful for her gifts? |
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jaw201 said: ssjokg said: I didn't know I have to make well contructed walls of texts to express how dissatisfied I am every single week for the same reasons just so to cater to your fangirling of R07. Whether I make up excuses for all the bullshit that is happening or not, doesn't change that most people have the same issues with Gou. Some are more optimistic about the conclusion, others arent. Sincerely fuck off. More like you need to fuck off since all your posts haven't been legitimate criticisms just stuff you are confused by or just nitpicks that you are elevating to the level of show breaking criticism. I have the same problems as everyone else. You just have an easier time attacking me. Fuck off. |
| I really enjoyed Nothingmakessense-hen arc. Rika: look a bear Reina: cute desu Satoko: DROPS A F*CKING GUN OUT OF NOWHERE lmao. |
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I dont see you harassing those "4" people. Is it because their posts are more well structured than mine and cause they dont get baited into shitposting with you? Guess so. If R07 is so good and I am just a goat why are you bothering me? If I am just 1 out of 5 idiots that cant see Gou's good writing why do you care? Honestly stop quoting me or mentioning me. |
random_weirdo said: I don't know if the world "accomplice" is the correct one to use, but how I'm thinking is. Satoko is being "controlled" by a higher being, and with their help (whatever it might be) it wouldn't be too hard.Well, Satoko had to get that gun and that syringe, and even if she does go to the clinic every week, I don't think that shit is very easy to steal. So either she has an accomplice in the Institute, or she somehow threatened them into giving her the gun and syringe. Considering the briefcase has a code that only Takano and Irie know, that leaves only the two of them as possible accomplices/unwilling facilitators. Of course, it could be that Satoko just magicked everything, which would be weird since the supernatural beings in Higurashi don't seem to be able to interact with people most of the times. (not to mention I dislike the decision to make a character from the club the villain, but that's more because of the themes in OG and I may be in the minority here). I don't think there has been that many fragments since these loops started again, but I don't find it far fetched that current Satoko has all the knowledge of the 100 years of loops, as in the knowledge accumulated for Takano's "witch" would have been transferred. That would let Satoko easily attain many things, and also give the knowledge of the password. Everything being magicked, can't say I would like that, but how this currently is, it doesn't seem too far fetched as an idea. Personally I don't mind that one of the club members is actually the "culprit", actually it's even good in my opinion. But the way this all was done and revealed just... sucks. Ryukishi really is falling on his principles, guess I'll go check the manga and take picture of one of the author's messages, as that really represents this. rafaelfserafim said: Oh damn, I had completely forgotten that. And that could really explain some stuff (tho the fact that the vaccine would cause terminal symptoms on healthy people sounds weird)Correct me if I'm wrong. But when Irie developed the vaccine for Satoko, C-120 I think, it had a collateral effect that it would trigger terminal symptoms if it was injected on a healthy person. Did he ever get any progress on that? I guess not, considering what happened to Rika in Meakashi. At first I thought it triggered an antigen/antibody reaction on Rika's body, but then it was revealed that it would cause that on any healthy person. Nevermind_Egy said: Well, it's not like the Deen's Higurashi had any major problems with that.What most people who claim that this arc plot twist is " too obvious " don't get is that there isn't enough time do properly establish a mystery with all its elements in anime form which is very limited comparing to the visual novels and also we still don't know all the implications of satoko being the culprit so it doesn't really make sense to say that this will ruin the og or anything like that. And it's not like Satoko being the culprit spoils the OG, it's all the flashbacks and meta implications that gets revealed that are spoiling and ruining the OG. CptJackSparrow said: Well yeah, this is what I thought immediately when the sword was revealed.Im having a theory but i might be completely in the dark with this. The fact that hanyuu told us about the sword wasnt all just for the fact that rika could end her struggle. Its important to the plot that we know about this cuz rika might have to use the shard later on to kill the other looper. I mean if im not mistaken there is somebody else looping with rika trought all these worlds by possesing somebody else. In order to make this stop rika has to kill that person and the only way i see right now is that rika has to use the shard on the person that has been possessed. What do you think? Might be very very wrong doe. ;D No spoilers pls i havent read the manga im an anime only and a total addict to all of them. ^^ Instead of presenting you with a method to kill yourself or not, it's much more rewarding present us with the option to kill yourself or not, or the enemy. And even more rewarding than that is if the enemy is your friend. And I believe this chapter will end with the decision, Rika has to kill herself to escape the eternal suffering, Or kill her best friend to reach her happiness. Pretty interesting question isn't it? What comes to the spoilers, there atleast won't be any GOU spoilers around, this anime is the first "adaptation" of GOU. CptJackSparrow said: Yeah I fully agree with you on the gore part, and it kinda makes me disgusted how the world has turned like this. And it's sad.I have to disagree. Ok the gore is extremely high i give you that. But thats just how our world has become. You see the same stuff in other series or games because our whole generation became desensitized to gore in media. And its a bit over the top. However, the mystery part in this season is just as strong as it was in the OG. Ofc weve learned about why we are seeing thinks happen over and over again with slightly different outcomes BUT we still dont know why rika is trapped in this timeline again. I dont think the mistery is missing it at all. Its great even if it became a plotpoint pretty late in the season. What the season was lacking so far was the unique higurashi feeling like when you never knew what was about to happen. But i think they really really did a good job in the alst few episodes. They kept me on the edge of my seat and it was absolutely nerve wracking to watch some of those scenes. (in a good way. haha) It's not like I mind the gore by itself, but everyone is just doing the gore for the gores sake and making it more and more over the top for the same reason. Mystery tho I disagree, the mystery here is nowhere near the OG levels, in any way. Not to mention about the most obvious culprit ever in R07's writings. And the reason why Rika is back in this is pretty clear as well. 1. She died 2. She was sent to the past, back to the "loops" There really is nothing more to it. Only a few unknowns of who actually killed her (which isn't really a 'mystery') who sent her back to the loop (which isn't a mystery either. It's either Hanyuu, by the old routine, or someone new of her level) and why (pretty sure the reason is the one which Satoko was talking about, but even if it isn't it's something from completely another world and has nothing to do with "us") The mystery is missing in this cause instead of giving us mysteries to think about, it just throws us answers with unknown origin. Nekodamashi-hen would have had potential for proper Higurashi-style mysteries, but instead it just spedrun the fragments through, and I can't really call that a mystery. |
| Intelligent gets through situations which wise avoids. |
| All I need in my life is Satoshi to wake up and be all right again. He freaking deserves the best of this world. Poor boy. Also damn it, I knew it! I have been saying since EP2 that Takano wasn't acting anymore. I just hope we will eventually find out how she was convinced or it would make no sense. I kinda had figured out Satoko knew more than we thought she did since her arc started? It seemed all so fake and as the episodes went by it was more and more obvious. But damn, this seems so interesting, I cannot wait to see the outcome!! +__+ |
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| Can someone please explain to me what the heck just happened? |
Hulio said: And I believe this chapter will end with the decision, Rika has to kill herself to escape the eternal suffering, Or kill her best friend to reach her happiness. Pretty interesting question isn't it? I mean, unless she's like possessed or something, Satoko literally became one of the most reprehensible characters in the entire franchise this episode, so it's a pretty easy question. Even Takano wasn't operating with meta-knowledge and even at her worst Rika still wanted to live, unlike in this Gou where she straight up almost decided to wipe herself out of existence because the torture was just too much. I honestly wonder how R07 will get out of this without destroying Satoko's character forever. |
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| Can't say I dislike the development, but I can't say I like how it was handled either. I mean Tataridamashi made it quite obvious that Satoko was suspicious as hell. And last episode she went basically openly antagonistic. There have been theories about her bing at least a culprit for a while and with the introduction for a means to kill another looper she was one of the most likely candidates. While I feel like this is an interesting development storywise I am not that happy about the impact of the revelation. It was expected by a lot of people so it wasn't really shocking. But even when the viewer wouldn't be surprised because there weren't that many other possibilities at least Rika could have been somewhat surprised. Of course it makes sense that she figured it out like we did but it would have made for a far better revelation if it was a shock for the characters involved. The scenery for it to happen is weird too, just out of nowhere, because of some trick-box that appeared for like 2 seconds in an earlier episode. And then Satoko just instantly reveals herself with her weird looper eyes and a gun? I don't know, I feel like this coold have been a really exciting development even if you somewhat expected it to happen. Now it just feels like Satoko basically told Rika last episode "Hey, I am killing you because I know about you leaving Hinamizawa in the future." and this episode Rika goes "Haha, I figured out that you are a looper because you personally told me." So as an antagonist who tries to hide her abilities and knowledge Satoko failed miserably. This makes me less optimistic about the clues we have seen so far. The revelation came far too fast and too easily so it feels like connecting the clues to this revelation feels less rewarding. Even though i still don't believe that Satoko is the mastermind I don't think we will get much of a surprise beyond a possible Umineko connection. And since we are already expecting that much there is only the whydunnit to talk about. And as some mentioned before the witches of Umineko don't need much reason to torture people on the gameboard. Yet I still have my hopes up. As I said already the development isn't bad and I am still excited to see how things are going to turn out but regarding the mystery, plot twists and big revelations this episode didn't exactly get my hopes up. |
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| Rather than the Satoko reveal, I'm more focused on the Okonogi and Amakusa reveal, lol. I just hope that they have a good explanation for Satoko's motives. |
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| Can you guess what was announced? A Higurashi/Umineko murder mystery gameboard. Seems like this is just a 24ep ad for the gacha and this. Nemesis2005 said: Rather than the Satoko reveal, I'm more focused on the Okonogi and Amakusa reveal, lol. I just hope that they have a good explanation for Satoko's motives. Okonogi was in the original Higurashi adaptation as well(and the VN obviously). |
| Great episode! This is what I’ve wanted from Higurashi for 17 episodes — less extreme violence and repetition of the old series and more plot and character development with new approach to the events of the original series. Also I’m really like directing, pacing and music in this episode. Now I’m finally connecting with Rika’s emotions and I can feel her true happiness after the big tragedy. So, this is my favorite episode this season so far and one of my favorites in the entire franchise. P.S. The cliffhanger looks very interesting. Can’t wait to find out what happened to Satoko. |
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| Yeah it was already obvious Satoko was the one with the ppwer with how the episode was leading so that last scene was no surprise. |
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ssjokg said: Can you guess what was announced? A Higurashi/Umineko murder mystery gameboard. Nemesis2005 said: Rather than the Satoko reveal, I'm more focused on the Okonogi and Amakusa reveal, lol. I just noticed that those 2 are from Umineko. Hey, that guy looks like the bodyguard of Ange who works for Okonogi. Wait, he also works for Okonogi here??? I never noticed that it was the same Okonogi until now, lol. Okonogi was in the original Higurashi adaptation as well(and the VN obviously). Is there more information about this gameboard? Sounds interesting. Amakusa appearing in Gou could be another lead to the connection to Umineko though. Okonogi also appears in Ciconia. denis_redbull said: Also I’m really like directing, pacing and music in this episode. Now I’m finally connecting with Rika’s emotions and I can feel her true happiness after the big tragedy. Though I wouldn't call this "true happiness" at all. Rika's behavior in this episode was all just a farce. She isn't happy at all about living in this "perfect" world. She already knew since the disembowelment scene that Satoko is the one who forced her into the loops again and she hates it. The only reason she acted like she was happy with the outcome is to decieve Satoko until she can proof that Satoko is a looper. What I am actually looking forward to (if it's going to be shown at all) are the solutions for the first three arcs. We know for certain now that Satoko was the culprit so now I'd like to see how it all played out. How did she stop Takano's plans, how did she get the syringes, how did she get both Rena and Keiichi into becoming paranoid (if it happened like that) how was she able to kill everyone without being noticed and so on. Also while her motivation seems to be to stop Rika from leaving Hinamizawa that's not really a good reason to kill Keiichi and the others. So there must have been someone who used Satoko's motive to torture Rika as much as possible. Most likely a certain Umineko witch. |
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Eragur said: ssjokg said: Can you guess what was announced? A Higurashi/Umineko murder mystery gameboard. Okonogi was in the original Higurashi adaptation as well(and the VN obviously). Is there more information about this gameboard? Sounds interesting. Amakusa appearing in Gou could be another lead to the connection to Umineko though. Okonogi also appears in Ciconia. denis_redbull said: Also I’m really like directing, pacing and music in this episode. Now I’m finally connecting with Rika’s emotions and I can feel her true happiness after the big tragedy. Though I wouldn't call this "true happiness" at all. Rika's behavior in this episode was all just a farce. She isn't happy at all about living in this "perfect" world. She already knew since the disembowelment scene that Satoko is the one who forced her into the loops again and she hates it. The only reason she acted like she was happy with the outcome is to decieve Satoko until she can proof that Satoko is a looper. What I am actually looking forward to (if it's going to be shown at all) are the solutions for the first three arcs. We know for certain now that Satoko was the culprit so now I'd like to see how it all played out. How did she stop Takano's plans, how did she get the syringes, how did she get both Rena and Keiichi into becoming paranoid (if it happened like that) how was she able to kill everyone without being noticed and so on. Also while her motivation seems to be to stop Rika from leaving Hinamizawa that's not really a good reason to kill Keiichi and the others. So there must have been someone who used Satoko's motive to torture Rika as much as possible. Most likely a certain Umineko witch. https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2021-01-29/board-game-companies-reveal-when-they-cry-murder-mystery-game-project/.168924 I read in a previous post that Amakusa does appear in the Higu VN. And if the connections are just 2 characters that appear in every WTC...well..meh. Regarding the reply to the other user. That's assuming Satoko is responsible for everything that happened in the other arcs. Rena and Keichi going both crazy and killing each other is very possible even without "help" from her. I could imagine orchestrating some events that lead to Mion going L5, afterall we are sure that she suspected Satoko about something in Watadamashi. Tataridamashi is ridiculously easy to understand what happened, except Ooishi having the bat. I doubt she can force Takano into regretting everything and abandoning everything she planned for years.Can I also say how weird it is for Takano to apologize for what she was planning to do to Rika and her friends but say no word for what she did to her parents? Maybe it is just me, but apologizing for something you did is better than something you would have done. I dont know if this is important or just a oversight of the script. And I doubt she can take the H-173 syringes. It is probably C-120 that Rika had access to. |
ssjokg said: I read in a previous post that Amakusa does appear in the Higu VN. And if the connections are just 2 characters that appear in every WTC...well..meh. Regarding the reply to the other user. That's assuming Satoko is responsible for everything that happened in the other arcs. Rena and Keichi going both crazy and killing each other is very possible even without "help" from her. I could imagine orchestrating some events that lead to Mion going L5, afterall we are sure that she suspected Satoko about something in Watadamashi. Tataridamashi is ridiculously easy to understand what happened, except Ooishi having the bat. I doubt she can force Takano into regretting everything and abandoning everything she planned for years.Can I also say how weird it is for Takano to apologize for what she was planning to do to Rika and her friends but say no word for what she did to her parents? Maybe it is just me, but apologizing for something you did is better than something you would have done. I dont know if this is important or just a oversight of the script. And I doubt she can take the H-173 syringes. It is probably C-120 that Rika had access to. Well I'd hope that the connections will go beyond that, but I feel like those small cameo appearances could be intended as hints towards the WTC fanbase instead of just simply fanservice. And with the current development a strong connection would make a lot of sense storywise. I wouldn't assume either that all of it was Satoko on her own. But I feel like it only makes sense storywise that the divergences of all the arcs of Gou are related to the existence of a second looper. Why would we be shown a seemingly L5 Rena subverting our expectations if it was just a random occurence of two of Rika's friends becoming paranoid at the same time. Same with Mion seemingly going for the Shion route. Sure there could be other explanations for that but it would be weird to include such a rare development in a story that's about someone messing with the universal rules Rika is familiar with. Imo it would actually fit the mystery if we were meant to think about how a second looper could have caused all of that. Maybe there was some unnatural help by a witch involved because it surely feels unlikely that Satoko would be able to change Hinamizawa that much on her own. Especially with Takano's development it seems more likely that she was persuaded by a higher being as well. She said to Rika that she wouldn't believe what changed her mind even if she told her so maybe she just got some unworldly revelation like Satoko said she did. And yeah I agree, it feels weird that Takano only apologizes for her planning to kill Rika and her friends when she has already murdered her parents. The whole scene was weird though, just randomly apologizing in the woods. |
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ssjokg said: Can you guess what was announced? A Higurashi/Umineko murder mystery gameboard. Seems like this is just a 24ep ad for the gacha and this. R07 said that he had the script of Gou finished and ready for years and years and 2018 was finally the time it was greenlit. The game is the one that was made to cash in on the Higurashi name and use the reinvigorated interest in the franchise by Gou to build a user base, not the other way around. |
astroprogs said: ssjokg said: Can you guess what was announced? A Higurashi/Umineko murder mystery gameboard. Seems like this is just a 24ep ad for the gacha and this. R07 said that he had the script of Gou finished and ready for years and years and 2018 was finally the time it was greenlit. The game is the one that was made to cash in on the Higurashi name and use the reinvigorated interest in the franchise by Gou to build a user base, not the other way around. The anime sure doesnt look like it. Maybe the manga is better, but the anime clearly didn't got the best treatment. And he also said this would be a fine entry for newcomers. Most of this episode makes no sense for them. |
ssjokg said: astroprogs said: R07 said that he had the script of Gou finished and ready for years and years and 2018 was finally the time it was greenlit. The game is the one that was made to cash in on the Higurashi name and use the reinvigorated interest in the franchise by Gou to build a user base, not the other way around. The anime sure doesnt look like it. Maybe the manga is better, but the anime clearly didn't got the best treatment. And he also said this would be a fine entry for newcomers. Most of this episode makes no sense for them. There's no reason to lie about this. This was also reaffirmed by the director. I guess Gou is fine to watch by newcomers if those newcomers aren't interested in the slightest in going back and watching the original. And to those people, they don't really lose anything by having it spoiled. Gou still has a lot of stuff that can be enjoyed even if you don't know the original, evident by all the newcomers who enjoy it, even after episode 17. I guess that's why R07 said this. If it gets some people interested in the old series and go to watch it while this was airing (as the director kinda nudged people towards doing), that's a new demographic. If it didn't, Gou's main plot thread will function well enough as a standalone, even if it's not optimal. It's like Fate/Zero. You should experience F/SN beforehand to get it, but if you never intend to do that, F/Z's main plot thread is good enough and people will fill the blanks they don't understand (F/Z's ending/Grail's true nature and Higurashi's HS and Takano) and move on. And just like how Gou spoils the shit out of the OG, F/Z spoils the shit out of F/SN. |
astroprogsJan 30, 2021 9:04 AM
astroprogs said: ssjokg said: The anime sure doesnt look like it. Maybe the manga is better, but the anime clearly didn't got the best treatment. And he also said this would be a fine entry for newcomers. Most of this episode makes no sense for them. There's no reason to lie about this. This was also reaffirmed by the director. I guess Gou is fine to watch by newcomers if those newcomers aren't interested in the slightest in going back and watching the original. And to those people, they don't really lose anything by having it spoiled. Gou still has a lot of stuff that can be enjoyed even if you don't know the original. I guess that's why R07 said this. If it gets some people interested in the old series and go to watch the old series while this was airing (as the director basically nudged people towards doing), that's a new demographic. If it didn't, Gou's main plot thread will be function well enough as a standalone, even if it's not optimal. It's like Fate/Zero. You should experience F/SN beforehand to get it, but if you never intend to do that, F/Z is good enough and people will fill the blanks they don't understand (F/Z's ending/Grail's true nature and Higurashi's HS and Takano) and move on. Zero didnt reveal that 2 important looking characters are actually military agents, didnt introduce two military squads that work against each other, sudden dangerous substances never shown before. Zero also didnt spoil actual events of FSN, like showing the end of a specific route or important event. Suddenly Hinamizawa goes from "nonsensical" occult to full gov/military conspiracy without any build up. And I wouldnt compare Gou to Zero. I would compare it to Last Encore. Sure as a newcomer you can blindly enjoy it if you want only certain things from it but overall things just happen for the sake of it. And authors and directors can lie about it if it means more viewers. Although I dont remember Shaft saying anything about LE, Nasu certainly did. |
ssjokg said: astroprogs said: There's no reason to lie about this. This was also reaffirmed by the director. I guess Gou is fine to watch by newcomers if those newcomers aren't interested in the slightest in going back and watching the original. And to those people, they don't really lose anything by having it spoiled. Gou still has a lot of stuff that can be enjoyed even if you don't know the original. I guess that's why R07 said this. If it gets some people interested in the old series and go to watch the old series while this was airing (as the director basically nudged people towards doing), that's a new demographic. If it didn't, Gou's main plot thread will be function well enough as a standalone, even if it's not optimal. It's like Fate/Zero. You should experience F/SN beforehand to get it, but if you never intend to do that, F/Z is good enough and people will fill the blanks they don't understand (F/Z's ending/Grail's true nature and Higurashi's HS and Takano) and move on. Zero didnt reveal that 2 important looking characters are actually military agents, didnt introduce two military squads that work against each other, sudden dangerous substances never shown before. Zero also didnt spoil actual events of FSN, like showing the end of a specific route or important event. Suddenly Hinamizawa goes from "nonsensical" occult to full gov/military conspiracy without any build up. And I wouldnt compare Gou to Zero. I would compare it to Last Encore. Sure as a newcomer you can blindly enjoy it if you want only certain things from it but overall things just happen for the sake of it. And authors and directors can lie about it if it means more viewers. Although I dont remember Shaft saying anything about LE, Nasu certainly did. F/Z introduced a shitload of plot points that went nowhere and spoiled the bulk of what made F/SN's mystery so good (Zouken, Kirei, Sakura, Saber, the Grail, Illya, etc...) and gave no closure. It also spoiled huge twists of F/SN, sans for literally one. It didn't spoil endings, yeah, but Higurashi is all about its mystery. I don't think anyone didn't expect Rika to win by the end. It was all about who the villain is and how she's going to get out of the loops. Gou gave you the former, but not the latter. Gou is so, SO much better than LE. LE is incomprehensible to both old and new fans. Gou at worst had plot threads that some people didn't like. The two are incomparable IMO. >Suddenly Hinamizawa goes from "nonsensical" occult to full gov/military conspiracy without any build-up. Sure, but that's okay to do because the viewer chose to skip the old series. That's a compromise the viewer chose to take to watch the new series alone. That's why I said it's not optimal. And that's not far from what happened in the ending of F/Z. It had no buildup to AM and left plenty of people not understanding anything that happened in the last few episodes. And hey, at least Gou doesn't leave space for newcomers to come up with stuff like "Diarmuid cursed the grail". It flat out tells them what they need to know. But regardless, I'm not a fan of having to reply with text walls anymore. That's just my stance on this, and that will be that for me. |
astroprogsJan 30, 2021 9:29 AM
astroprogs said: ssjokg said: Zero didnt reveal that 2 important looking characters are actually military agents, didnt introduce two military squads that work against each other, sudden dangerous substances never shown before. Zero also didnt spoil actual events of FSN, like showing the end of a specific route or important event. Suddenly Hinamizawa goes from "nonsensical" occult to full gov/military conspiracy without any build up. And I wouldnt compare Gou to Zero. I would compare it to Last Encore. Sure as a newcomer you can blindly enjoy it if you want only certain things from it but overall things just happen for the sake of it. And authors and directors can lie about it if it means more viewers. Although I dont remember Shaft saying anything about LE, Nasu certainly did. F/Z introduced a shitload of plot points that went nowhere and spoiled the bulk of what made F/SN's mystery so good (Zouken, Kirei, Sakura, Saber, the Grail, Illya, etc...) and gave no closure. It also spoiled huge twists of F/SN, sans for literally one. It didn't spoil endings, yeah, but Higurashi is all about its mystery. I don't think anyone didn't expect Rika to win by the end. It was all about who the villain is and how she's going to get out of the loops. Gou is so, SO much better than LE. LE is incomprehensible to both old and new fans. Gou at worst had plot threads that some people didn't like. The two are incomparable IMO. >Suddenly Hinamizawa goes from "nonsensical" occult to full gov/military conspiracy without any build-up. Sure, but that's okay to do because the viewer chose to skip the old series. That's a compromise the viewer chose to take to watch the new series alone. That's why I said it's not optimal. Zero is a prequel. Not a sequel that was initially disguised as a remake. And twists are very different from entire events. Yes Higurashi is all about the mystery....so what happens now when you know all the answers in the mystery of the OG, including who the main culprit is? The only thing that wasnt shown in Gou if the GHD.But compared to the rest this doesnt matter. If you ask me LE is understandable by old fans. The structure just sucks....just like Gou which makes sense only by old fans and has many moments that are just as questionable. I dont know about you but when many newcomers go full "Rika is sus", till ep14, when it is clear that she is the victim in all of this, I dont think people actually understood what the hell is going on. It is just lolis killing each other because of curses. The viewer was told that that it is okay to skip the old one. Even old fans were sure it was a remake. You cant say that the creators had no part in this. |
ssjokg said: Can you guess what was announced? A Higurashi/Umineko murder mystery gameboard. Seems like this is just a 24ep ad for the gacha and this. And then they also announced this physical game...? https://higurashianime.com/goods/goods_0002.html |
Gar_Logan said: ssjokg said: Can you guess what was announced? A Higurashi/Umineko murder mystery gameboard. Seems like this is just a 24ep ad for the gacha and this. And then they also announced this physical game...? https://higurashianime.com/goods/goods_0002.html They make this kind of merchandise for literally every anime. That's the deal to get merchandise companies into the production committee for additional funding. |
astroprogs said: Gar_Logan said: And then they also announced this physical game...? https://higurashianime.com/goods/goods_0002.html They make this kind of merchandise for literally every anime. That's the deal to get merchandise companies into the production committee for additional funding. I didn't mean to imply the anime was created to push this game, just mentioning other tie-in merch is being sold too. |
Gar_Logan said: astroprogs said: They make this kind of merchandise for literally every anime. That's the deal to get merchandise companies into the production committee for additional funding. I didn't mean to imply the anime was created to push this game, just mentioning other tie-in merch is being sold too. Ah, gocha then. .. |
Hulio said: random_weirdo said: I don't know if the world "accomplice" is the correct one to use, but how I'm thinking is. Satoko is being "controlled" by a higher being, and with their help (whatever it might be) it wouldn't be too hard.Well, Satoko had to get that gun and that syringe, and even if she does go to the clinic every week, I don't think that shit is very easy to steal. So either she has an accomplice in the Institute, or she somehow threatened them into giving her the gun and syringe. Considering the briefcase has a code that only Takano and Irie know, that leaves only the two of them as possible accomplices/unwilling facilitators. Of course, it could be that Satoko just magicked everything, which would be weird since the supernatural beings in Higurashi don't seem to be able to interact with people most of the times. (not to mention I dislike the decision to make a character from the club the villain, but that's more because of the themes in OG and I may be in the minority here). I don't think there has been that many fragments since these loops started again, but I don't find it far fetched that current Satoko has all the knowledge of the 100 years of loops, as in the knowledge accumulated for Takano's "witch" would have been transferred. That would let Satoko easily attain many things, and also give the knowledge of the password. Everything being magicked, can't say I would like that, but how this currently is, it doesn't seem too far fetched as an idea. Personally I don't mind that one of the club members is actually the "culprit", actually it's even good in my opinion. But the way this all was done and revealed just... sucks. Ryukishi really is falling on his principles, guess I'll go check the manga and take picture of one of the author's messages, as that really represents this. rafaelfserafim said: Oh damn, I had completely forgotten that. And that could really explain some stuff (tho the fact that the vaccine would cause terminal symptoms on healthy people sounds weird)Correct me if I'm wrong. But when Irie developed the vaccine for Satoko, C-120 I think, it had a collateral effect that it would trigger terminal symptoms if it was injected on a healthy person. Did he ever get any progress on that? I guess not, considering what happened to Rika in Meakashi. At first I thought it triggered an antigen/antibody reaction on Rika's body, but then it was revealed that it would cause that on any healthy person. Nevermind_Egy said: Well, it's not like the Deen's Higurashi had any major problems with that.What most people who claim that this arc plot twist is " too obvious " don't get is that there isn't enough time do properly establish a mystery with all its elements in anime form which is very limited comparing to the visual novels and also we still don't know all the implications of satoko being the culprit so it doesn't really make sense to say that this will ruin the og or anything like that. And it's not like Satoko being the culprit spoils the OG, it's all the flashbacks and meta implications that gets revealed that are spoiling and ruining the OG. CptJackSparrow said: Well yeah, this is what I thought immediately when the sword was revealed.Im having a theory but i might be completely in the dark with this. The fact that hanyuu told us about the sword wasnt all just for the fact that rika could end her struggle. Its important to the plot that we know about this cuz rika might have to use the shard later on to kill the other looper. I mean if im not mistaken there is somebody else looping with rika trought all these worlds by possesing somebody else. In order to make this stop rika has to kill that person and the only way i see right now is that rika has to use the shard on the person that has been possessed. What do you think? Might be very very wrong doe. ;D No spoilers pls i havent read the manga im an anime only and a total addict to all of them. ^^ Instead of presenting you with a method to kill yourself or not, it's much more rewarding present us with the option to kill yourself or not, or the enemy. And even more rewarding than that is if the enemy is your friend. And I believe this chapter will end with the decision, Rika has to kill herself to escape the eternal suffering, Or kill her best friend to reach her happiness. Pretty interesting question isn't it? What comes to the spoilers, there atleast won't be any GOU spoilers around, this anime is the first "adaptation" of GOU. CptJackSparrow said: Yeah I fully agree with you on the gore part, and it kinda makes me disgusted how the world has turned like this. And it's sad.I have to disagree. Ok the gore is extremely high i give you that. But thats just how our world has become. You see the same stuff in other series or games because our whole generation became desensitized to gore in media. And its a bit over the top. However, the mystery part in this season is just as strong as it was in the OG. Ofc weve learned about why we are seeing thinks happen over and over again with slightly different outcomes BUT we still dont know why rika is trapped in this timeline again. I dont think the mistery is missing it at all. Its great even if it became a plotpoint pretty late in the season. What the season was lacking so far was the unique higurashi feeling like when you never knew what was about to happen. But i think they really really did a good job in the alst few episodes. They kept me on the edge of my seat and it was absolutely nerve wracking to watch some of those scenes. (in a good way. haha) It's not like I mind the gore by itself, but everyone is just doing the gore for the gores sake and making it more and more over the top for the same reason. Mystery tho I disagree, the mystery here is nowhere near the OG levels, in any way. Not to mention about the most obvious culprit ever in R07's writings. And the reason why Rika is back in this is pretty clear as well. 1. She died 2. She was sent to the past, back to the "loops" There really is nothing more to it. Only a few unknowns of who actually killed her (which isn't really a 'mystery') who sent her back to the loop (which isn't a mystery either. It's either Hanyuu, by the old routine, or someone new of her level) and why (pretty sure the reason is the one which Satoko was talking about, but even if it isn't it's something from completely another world and has nothing to do with "us") The mystery is missing in this cause instead of giving us mysteries to think about, it just throws us answers with unknown origin. Nekodamashi-hen would have had potential for proper Higurashi-style mysteries, but instead it just spedrun the fragments through, and I can't really call that a mystery. I get your point but what you seem to forget is that deens anime only adapts the VN while gous an original series, it's much harder to do that this way. |
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