| I often heard arguments from straight people that they refuse to watch any anime with BL element in it, and the reason is often "I'm straight so why should I watch 2 guys with intimate relationship?" However I never heard people that're gay refusing to watch anime with BG element (pretty much most anime have relationship emphasize on BG pairing) Not to mention girls seem to be fine with anime that have GL in it, however, guys seem to unconditionally reject anime with BL element in it regardless of writing/ quality of story. Do someone that's straight male want to explain their rationality? |
| I can't think of a good answer tbh... I guess it just doesn't appeal to me? Yuri is cute, romance is relatable in some way but BL just doesn't appeal to me? I don't know how to explain it, someone else can probably do it for me lol. |
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| I'm bi at this point in my life but I'd still agree with the sentiment those people have. It has nothing to do with boys love being about gay characters, but almost every BL story out there is pretty sexual in nature. I very deeply value romance, it's my favorite genre, and every gay romance story (INCLUDING lesbians even, not just BL) I've seen from anime or manga is never about love. It's always creepy, rapey, and overly sexual and I'm obviously not including hentai in that - or at the very 'best' it's poorly written and under developed. Not all, but the VAST majority. I very rarely see gay couples in anime that are legitimately developed, even something like Aoi Hana (lesbians, not gays, but still) which isn't all that sexual ends up a VERY poor depiction of how relationships work and the characters are completely unrealistically portrayed. When the focus of a story is "THEY'RE GAY" things are just difficult to write beyond THEY'RE GAY! I guess. |
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| I'm not a huge fan of romance or say drama anime in general and I'm generally not watching them for the story element as much as the characterization. That being said the characterization on female characters tends to click with me more. So in the rare case I prioritize romance central anime I'd rather focus on series where the characters are more likely to appeal to me. |
| Basically because I'm straight, and somewhat of a misandrist, so don't want to watch a show that's exclusively about two guys forming an intimate relationship. If it's a subplot, cool, but it can't be the main point for me to care. |
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| The only BL I could consider watching is this. |
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| I think it made them uncomfortable. I know because I used to feel uncomfortable myself with BL/GL. Now though, I'm a fan of BL and doesn't mind GL at all. I don't know what changed me but yeah. |
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| BL is usually made by girls, for girls. It doesn't have a male audience in mind. BG and GL usually have a wider scope, and it helps that most GL authors are women, contrary to popular belief,so it appeals a lot to girls as well. Even the most questionable stuff like Citrus is penned by a woman. I can't even think of a Yaoi that's created by a man, unless you want Bara manga. Personal taste aside, I think most people dislike the image they have of BL rather than the genre itself, which makes then wary of trying new stuff — and frankly,I can't blame them. The fans and the creators themselves don't really help. I tried reading some of Shimura Takako's BL manga, who wrote Aoi Hana which is one of the best yuri manga and has a talent for complex and interesting characters. Her BL works, though, creeped the fuck out of me. I can't even believe it's the same person who wrote Aoi Hana and Hourou Musuko, it's pure fetish fuel. Of course there's good stuff among the trash, but most people probably aren't interested enough in it to rummage through it. |
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| Firstly, most of the BL anime aren't even targeted towards males, not even gays. They are just female fetishizing gay people so they are in general disliked by straight people and even gays. Secondly, there are multiple forms of yuri and yuri as a genre was started by and for lesbians so you could actually find more realistic romance in yuri than in BL or even shoujo romance. Also it is popular among males because there are males who just want to see cute girls if not proper yuri for good romance. |
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| As a straight male this is my viewpoint on the three different scenarios: BG: Obviously what I'm into so I have no problem watching this. GL: Not a fan of it, but watching two girls making out isn't something I have a problem with. BL: Obviously not what I'm into and in comparison to GL I'm not getting the fanservice of two girls making out. |
| I will only watch it if one of them is permanently gender bended into a fertile big titty elf girl. Who then proceeds to snap out catchy, crass one liners and goes on homicidal killing sprees. v_v You can't make me watch it otherwise. Unless you pay me a lot of money. I mean, from a marketing perspective I hope people aren't looking for a serious answer on attracting a demographic they can't even understand. |
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| homophobia be it mild or severe and homophobia is rooted on disgust most of the time so why you will watch something you are disgusted right? |
deg said: homophobia be it mild or severe and homophobia is rooted on disgust most of the time so why you will watch something you are disgusted right? So if I'm a straight male and don't wanna watch a BL anime then it's because I'm homophobic? WTF? That opinion is in the same category as "If you like lolis, you're a pedophile" O_O |
Gator said: deg said: homophobia be it mild or severe and homophobia is rooted on disgust most of the time so why you will watch something you are disgusted right? So if I'm a straight male and don't wanna watch a BL anime then it's because I'm homophobic? WTF? That opinion is in the same category as "If you like lolis, you're a pedophile" O_O nah im just saying the disgust towards gay sex for example is homophobia too because the common definition of homophobia is just hate and prejudice towards gay so im not saying youre like this definition im saying you got the disgust definition |
deg said: Gator said: So if I'm a straight male and don't wanna watch a BL anime then it's because I'm homophobic? WTF? That opinion is in the same category as "If you like lolis, you're a pedophile" O_O nah im just saying the disgust towards gay sex for example is homophobia too because the common definition of homophobia is just hate and prejudice towards gay so im not saying youre like this definition im saying you got the disgust definition So you're saying I'm not homophobic, but I just have disgust towards gay sex (which would not appear in BL anyway unless it's yaoi). At the same time you're saying disgust towards gay sex is homophobia too. You're making absolutely no sense here. |
Gator said: As a straight male this is my viewpoint on the three different scenarios: BG: Obviously what I'm into so I have no problem watching this. GL: Not a fan of it, but watching two girls making out isn't something I have a problem with. BL: Obviously not what I'm into and in comparison to GL I'm not getting the fanservice of two girls making out. as a straight female i'll agree with this as well in the opposite order. i would say most of it is preference, i do watch some BL & with the same logic - but i would actually avoid GL, not because it makes me uncomfortable but i just.....don't like it? of course, if it's well-written i would have no qualms about it. |
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Gator said: deg said: nah im just saying the disgust towards gay sex for example is homophobia too because the common definition of homophobia is just hate and prejudice towards gay so im not saying youre like this definition im saying you got the disgust definition So you're saying I'm not homophobic, but I just have disgust towards gay sex (which would not appear in BL anyway unless it's yaoi). At the same time you're saying disgust towards gay sex is homophobia too. You're making absolutely no sense here. it makes sense if you get that im saying there are 2 different definition of homophobia going around https://www.newswise.com/articles/disgust-not-fear-drives-homophobia https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6562335/ https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00918369.2018.1490576 thats for the disgust while the wikipedia article about homophobia do not mention disgust |
TheUnfairMAL said: deg said: homophobia be it mild or severe and homophobia is rooted on disgust most of the time so why you will watch something you are disgusted right? So you are basically trying to say that I'm homophobic because I don't look at gay porn the same way I look at straight porn? copy and paste it makes sense if you get that im saying there are 2 different definition of homophobia going around https://www.newswise.com/articles/disgust-not-fear-drives-homophobia https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6562335/ https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00918369.2018.1490576 thats for the disgust while the wikipedia article about homophobia do not mention disgust |
TheUnfairMAL said: deg said: copy and paste it makes sense if you get that im saying there are 2 different definition of homophobia going around https://www.newswise.com/articles/disgust-not-fear-drives-homophobia https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6562335/ https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00918369.2018.1490576 thats for the disgust while the wikipedia article about homophobia do not mention disgust Yeah you are trying to avoid my question, am I homophobic for not looking at gay porn the same way I look at straight porn? ye youre homophobic if you feel disgust at least |
deg said: TheUnfairMAL said: Yeah you are trying to avoid my question, am I homophobic for not looking at gay porn the same way I look at straight porn? ye youre homophobic if you feel disgust at least  If I'm homophobic that my dick gets flaccid when watching 2 guys make out then fuck yeah, I love being a homophobe and you can't do anything about it |
deg said: TheUnfairMAL said: Yeah you are trying to avoid my question, am I homophobic for not looking at gay porn the same way I look at straight porn? ye youre homophobic if you feel disgust at least Next thing you're telling me is that I'm racist if I don't wanna date a black woman. Man... and I once thought you were one of the people with the best arguments on MAL :/ |
| @TheUnfairMAL hey im homophobic too anyway since i feel mild disgust or feeling uncomfortable about gay sex anyway im just saying that homophobia is not always about prejudice or hate its also disgust Gator said: Next thing you're telling me is that I'm racist if I don't wanna date a black woman. Man... and I once thought you were one of the people with the best arguments on MAL :/ err im just saying what those science papers are saying lol homophobia is related to disgust too and not just simply hate or prejudice and im homophobic too by that definition about disgust factor |
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TheUnfairMAL said: Gator said: Next thing you're telling me is that I'm racist if I don't wanna date a black woman. Man... and I once thought you were one of the people with the best arguments on MAL :/ Yeah he's the one who made this thread- https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1860368&show=0#post31 I don't expect any good arguments from a person who thinks that being straight makes you a homophobe, next thing he's gonna say that the earth is flat, the moon landing was fake, illuminati is real, COVID-19 is fake, Idk what is he gonna say next. again those science papers is where i get it from they define homophobia is link to disgust too thats all |
| That type of shows are just not to my liking. I just don't find them that interesting. I have nothing against gay people but watching gay people gay things is not to my liking |
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deg said: @TheUnfairMAL hey im homophobic too anyway since i feel mild disgust or feeling uncomfortable about gay sex anyway im just saying that homophobia is not always about prejudice or hate its also disgust Gator said: Next thing you're telling me is that I'm racist if I don't wanna date a black woman. Man... and I once thought you were one of the people with the best arguments on MAL :/ err im just saying what those science papers are saying lol homophobia is related to disgust too and not just simply hate or prejudice and im homophobic too by that definition about disgust factor The definition of Wikipedia makes way more sense than your links. "Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT). It has been defined as contempt, prejudice, aversion, hatred or antipathy, may be based on irrational fear and ignorance, and is often related to religious beliefs." So if I just don't care about it, that doesn't mean I'm homophobic, that's stupid. |
| @Gator @TheUnfairMAL do you feel disgust or uncomfortable when watching gay stuff at least? if so you just do not want it to be labeled homophobia right? |
| I don't mind watching something with BL element at all, but if that's the main/only focus of the show, it's not something I'm interested in at all so I'll most likely take a pass on it. Same with GL/Yuri shows for that matter. It just doesn't appeal to me and I've got literally thousands of other shows to pick from. But I'm definitely not gonna turn something like Shinsekai Yori off because I see two guys kissing as that's hardly the main point of the show. |
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| I don't mind having some but I just never been into BL romance anime. banana fish was really good I do feel a lot of people heard that it had some BL and didn't watch it there loss. but ultimately I think it comes down to how the romance is done. |
deg said: @Gator @TheUnfairMAL do you feel disgust or uncomfortable when watching gay stuff at least? if so you just do not want it to be labeled homophobia right? So you'll just ignore my argument and instead tried to make it invalid by proving that I have some ulterior motive? Alright I think I'm done here... what a disappointing discussion this was. |
AbdirahmanS said: deg said: @Gator @TheUnfairMAL do you feel disgust or uncomfortable when watching gay stuff at least? if so you just do not want it to be labeled homophobia right? Because it's shocking, whereas straight stuff is everywhere and has always been so you don't even blink an eye for it. I think that is a pretty normal reaction tbh. Doesn't mean you hate gay people. ye im just clarifying if they feel disgust at least and ye i do not mean homophobia is always about prejudice or hate like the wikipedia says @Gator @TheUnfairMAL but ok im gonna stop linking disgust with homophobia no harm done intended dudes |
| Because I don't fuck with that gay shit and that's all there is to it. |
TallonKarrde23 said: I'm bi at this point in my life but I'd still agree with the sentiment those people have. It has nothing to do with boys love being about gay characters, but almost every BL story out there is pretty sexual in nature. I very deeply value romance, it's my favorite genre, and every gay romance story (INCLUDING lesbians even, not just BL) I've seen from anime or manga is never about love. It's always creepy, rapey, and overly sexual and I'm obviously not including hentai in that - or at the very 'best' it's poorly written and under developed. Not all, but the VAST majority. I very rarely see gay couples in anime that are legitimately developed, even something like Aoi Hana (lesbians, not gays, but still) which isn't all that sexual ends up a VERY poor depiction of how relationships work and the characters are completely unrealistically portrayed. When the focus of a story is "THEY'RE GAY" things are just difficult to write beyond THEY'RE GAY! I guess. I think you need to read more BL LOL yeah, a lot of older BL focuses heavily on the sexual nature of the relationship and in older BL it does tend to get rapey and fetishist but there is a lot more BL nowadays that isn’t like that. There are tons of BL out there that even with lots of sex scenes doesn’t have a spec of rape in them. Honto Yajuu, for instance, portrays more than just the sexual aspect of the relationship between Aki and Tomoharu. Or just read shounen-ai - the only sex there is just implied and the stories are more focused on developing the romantic relationship between the main characters. There’s plenty of anime/manga that ISNT BL that look at gay relationships: No. 6, Yuri on Ice, Koi to Uso, Shimanami Tasogare, Ao no Flag and Sasaki to Miyano (before anyone tries to CHECK me on this one, it may be labeled as shounen-ai on MAL, but it isn’t published in a BL magazine and it’s put in the shoujo section of Japanese bookstores - if anything, then, it’s a shoujo. The author is clear it isn’t a BL). Are some of them a bit problematic in their portrayals? Yes. But at least they’re trying. Things are changing, don’t be nervous to venture into the BL world, it isn’t all rape and fetishization. TheUnfairMAL said: I'm never going to watch Yuri on Ice, no thank you, no matter how good the writing is, nope, it is gay and watching it makes me very uncomfortable. The focus of Yuri on Ice isn’t on the relationship between Victor and Yuuri, it’s on the figure skating. It’s a sports anime that just so happens to have a gay relationship. If that makes you uncomfortable then so be it but I think you’ve unfairly categorized it as a BL anime when it isn’t. But anyway, back to OP’s question. The main problem is that BL is a genre. I think many of the replies here have danced around that fact and in doing so, have come off as, to some degree, homophobic. But they (most likely) are not. They just don’t like the BL genre - whether it’s the tropes, the portrayals of characters, or the relationships. It’s no different than someone not like the Mecha or Slice of Life or Romance genres. I myself aren’t the biggest fan of the former two but I will give them a chance if I think the plot is interesting enough. Some/many won’t, hence your question OP. It’s a genre. Perhaps the reasoning can come off sounding a little callous but it is what it is. Some people want to see pretty anime boys make-out, others would rather watch two giant robots beat the shit out of each other and call it a day. I guess what it plainly boils down to is preferences. (I just wish people wouldn’t mistake the appearance of an LGBT relationship to mean the anime was BL or GL. Just like how in Western media, shows do not have to be categorized as LGBT to feature LGBT relationships - for example, while I’m on this tangent, Degressi is my favourite trashy teen drama and it has all kinds of relationships on it - gay, straight, lesbian, you name it and I’m sure Degrassi had it. But it was a teen drama, not specifically a LGBT teen show. See what I mean?) |
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| I really love these kinds of pointless question threads when the OP answers their own question in their opening post. |
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| how many boys love anime even are there? i don't even watch girls love and im not specifically attracted to romance genres anyways. like i'll enjoy a well written gay male relationship for being well written, but i dont wanna waste time on yet another boring romance that has no chemistry or rationality |
| "I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says. I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby". "She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other." |
| I don't deny the elements of fetishization, but fetishization and shitty portrayals of relationships are common to BL, GL and hetero love stories, and honestly when it is thrown so often it sounds like an attempt to not cut slack to a genre or theme you are not interested on at the beginning. That's the problem I think, how this broad stroke criticism reeks of complacency. |
| It depends on how central is this element to the plot. For example shows which are dedicated to only that like Yuri On Ice and Free are boring to me. I am simply not interested. On the other side when this is part of the personality of some of the characters, not the main focus and not played as fanservice, for example like in Sentou Yousei Yukikaze, Golden Kamuy or some shoujo/josei, I wouldn't mind that. "However I never heard people that're gay refusing to watch" - really? I think they will avoid a show that will be mainly about strait romance and/or have tons of strait fanservice (because it will be boring to them). They will tolerate such when it's only supplementary to some other story, or I am wrong? |
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| @Peaceful_Critic ye thanks and lol he thinks those are just some crappy blogs that i link but whatever also im not gonna bother linking disgust and homophobia from now on |
| @alshu You have to be kidding, trolling or just kind of clueless. Free and Yuri on Ice are both sports anime and only the second has a BL story that is not even the main focus. |
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