What you like and not about the series?

loolz said:

The pacing of this series also helps to give the world color and not feel too artificial. I have to say that reading the novel a while back, some interesting things await us

Mookster said:
I like how the Goblin Slayer eats/drinks through his helm and i think that the healer girls outfit is pretty cute.

I don't like how I don't really care about any of the characters or where the story is going but I'm going to keep on watching it because I have a pretty high tolerance for lukewarm medieval-ish fantasy stories with monsters in them.

redcobra said:
Overpower MC ? NOT GOOD YOU SAID ?

One punch man, overlord and dragon balls say hi.

I bet you didn't watch to aru manjutsu no index.
Heh this is why My animelist cancerous, still remember when to aru manjutsu release what people said ?

Huuu mc weak, that trash drop anime. This or that anime mc to slow progress his power bla bla bla weak useless trash drop.

Meh this post maybe he tried to compare this anime to shitty Kirito.
Bait post trash post as always good job trash mal community.
.
Well I'm not joking most mc that take slow progress to become strong anime end up become underated like to aru manjutsu or fail because trash community.

Newtwu said:

First episode gave major warnings with, 'Physical damage nullification' and the ability to absorb the abilities of everything.

Grey-Zone said:


If you use words like "major warnings" (or "red flags", as most would call it) then at least get the facts straight. Rimuru doesn't have "pyhsical damage nullifcation".

What he actually has are "Pain Nullification" and "Physical Damage Resistance". He can still be killed by physical attacks if they hit enough times and are strong enough.

Newtwu said:


True, but does that change the fact that he's a Gary Stu/Mary Sue? No. Sure he can still be killed but he never will. Best that happens is a scratch like with Ainz. Unless there's actual tension being created, then there's not really going to be a plot or any real character development that going to be made.

Grey-Zone said:

I disagree with the general idea. "Tension" has always been fake in most of fiction. How many protagonists actually die in the middle of the story (other than "fake" protagonists)? You can always use the word "convenient" when any main character escapes death, even when they use "their own wits" to get out of a crisis, because there was convenient a way out that the protagonist could realize and the antagonist's plan just "happened to have" such a flaw in it that can be exploited.

That's why I never really feel tension anyway. It's just about the strength of a fairly pointless facade of weakness for the protagonist, but in the end they get protected by the ever-present plot armor anyway. The story ends if they die - or it turns out they weren't the protagonist to begin with.

I rather care about different aspects of a series rather than about why a protagonist of any series that involves battles and the risk of death is able to survive. Of course the method of escaping death can be of interest in itself, but it's not a requirement if there are other good things to focus on.

Newtwu said:


What are you even on about? Do you even know what tension is? Tension makes the viewer go on the edge of their seats. It's something that occurs when there is an obstacle or challenge for the MC to overcome. It brings out the emotions of anxiety, worry, and stress in the viewer. It can range from Light trying to avoid capture while simultaneously trying to kill L in Death Note to wanting to find out a mystery in Hyouka or even simply confessing in Tsuki ga Kirei. The fact that you say you never feel tension is complete and utter BS.

Sure, it can be convenient when (the most notorious example) Kirito wills himself to stay alive because plot but if a character is basically perfect and has no real flaws (a Mary Sue), it's the exact same as convenience. There is no tension and no obstacles he really needs to overcome because he has this ability or because he's perfect. You don't see this with good characters and good stories. Take Death Note for example, L outwits Light in the first few chapters where he is introduced, showing that there is an equal and that Light can be outsmarted. With Mary Sues however, there is no development of character and the plot just goes from he/she does this and then he does this, and then this because he's perfect. (Or because he's Batman XD but even then, the reason why the dark knight trilogy was so good was because Bruce is flawed and not because he could do anything because he's Batman)

It's definitely true there are many different aspects to a series but you're going to need the fundamentals of good plot and good character development in every genre but slice of life where good character development is essential, to create a good story. Shinsekai Yori is a great example of this. Amazing plot, Amazing character development, amazing world building, good directing and story-telling and not to mention an amazing soundtrack. Oregairu Zoku as well in terms of slice of life. You've got an amazing character development, with really good animation and soundtrack to back it up.

Grey-Zone said:

And who exactly decides whether or not the plot is "good"? What are the standards for that? Some big-name in the review industry? Popular opinion? Some kind of "general evaluation guidelines" written by a commitee of 100 reviewers? You own interpretation of "common sense"?
Keep in mind that different people put different weights on different aspects as well. There are people who don't give a single damn about the story as long as the characters are good and vice versa.

redcobra said:
Overpower MC ? NOT GOOD YOU SAID ?

One punch man, overlord and dragon balls say hi.

I bet you didn't watch to aru manjutsu no index.
Heh this is why My animelist cancerous, still remember when to aru manjutsu release what people said ?

Huuu mc weak, that trash drop anime. This or that anime mc to slow progress his power bla bla bla weak useless trash drop.

Meh this post maybe he tried to compare this anime to shitty Kirito.
Bait post trash post as always good job trash mal community.
.
Well I'm not joking most mc that take slow progress to become strong anime end up become underated like to aru manjutsu or fail because trash community.

Vongalaxy said:
What the fuck is even the writing? A middle age office worker that they emphasize is a virgin dies a hero and become a cute girl with zero flaws. She just want peace and be friends with everyone and everyone practically worship and revolve their world around her. She has every power in the world without even lifting a finger and nothing in the whole world can stand in her way.

This is the type of shit you see in really bad fan fictions. It isn't even just the main character, literally every character is blander than a cardboard and literally just exist to worship our all powerful Jesus protag. There is no tension in the story and the whole show is just about showing how good and powerful the protag is. There is zero substance. There is nothing wrong with liking this show and dumb fun but don't pretend that this show is some interesting new take on the isekai genre. It's just a mashup on all the shit tropes in other isekai. Slime protag is easily worse written and blander than the infamous Kirito.

Best part is that they introduce a character later on that can potentially be more interesting than the whole cast combined

Production value of the adaptation is pretty good I guess.

Vongalaxy said:
What the fuck is even the writing? A middle age office worker that they emphasize is a virgin dies a hero and become a cute girl with zero flaws. She just want peace and be friends with everyone and everyone practically worship and revolve their world around her. She has every power in the world without even lifting a finger and nothing in the whole world can stand in her way.

This is the type of shit you see in really bad fan fictions. It isn't even just the main character, literally every character is blander than a cardboard and literally just exist to worship our all powerful Jesus protag. There is no tension in the story and the whole show is just about showing how good and powerful the protag is. There is zero substance. There is nothing wrong with liking this show and dumb fun but don't pretend that this show is some interesting new take on the isekai genre. It's just a mashup on all the shit tropes in other isekai. Slime protag is easily worse written and blander than the infamous Kirito.

Best part is that they introduce a character later on that can potentially be more interesting than the whole cast combined

Production value of the adaptation is pretty good I guess.

jal90 said:

The tone the series establishes is important. So far as others have mentioned it's all comedic, the stakes don't seem serious, and the show is laid-back. And it's important to take that into account because if the show does not intend to introduce tension, at least so far, then we can't treat this as a flaw or a bad fanfic. It's integral to the kind of tone it wants to set.

Newtwu said:


Nat it's not because of the tone. If you really think about it, the fact that the MC is a Mary Sue makes it so that all of this is just 'dumb fun'. There isn't really any character development because of the lack of tension and obstacles resulting from the MC. Basically everyone the MC comes across reveres him. If you want laid back, comedy, go look at Konosuba. Even though it's a comedy and laid back, each arc/quest go on still provide a pretty good plot that allows for more character development. Currently, this series is nothing but a show for dumb fun and self satisfaction.

jal90 said:

What are you talking about? Get off your high horse with this dumb fun and self satisfaction stuff, or keep it for whoever watches this show for some self-insert purpose because that's not my case. All I'm saying is that if there is no intent to display or portray big stakes of tension then calling the show out for lack of tension is uncalled for.

Newtwu said:


What am I talking about? Well I'm talking about the fact that there isn't really a plot. Power fantasies are just dumb fun and mainly for self-satisfaction. Is it not true that with every power fantasy, it's just showing how badly the MC can overhelm his enemies? If there is no tension in a plot, then there is no real meaningful plot and it just becomes a matter of MC does A then B then C and so on. It's how stories work. Calling it out for having a lack of tension and also the use of Mary Sues is completely justified and shows that the writing and character development so far has been poor.

jal90 said:

Nope. It is the beginning of the show and we don't know yet what is it going to be about. There is not a challenge yet for the MC and there are not even stakes built of tension, or rivals. So far the MC is exploring and doing stuff in a pretty chill way. Now, give me an actual instance where the series intends to display tension or a difficult path for the MC, which may happen later, may not, and your criticism will apply if this tension feels fake because he solves everything without a scratch. So far, this is the mood the series wants to portray and it's perfectly aware of that.

My issue is that you are blaming the show for failing at stakes it hasn't invoked yet. Yes the MC is overpowered right now but this is integrated to the narrative and the mood it wants to transmit at the moment.

jal90 said:

Nope. It is the beginning of the show and we don't know yet what is it going to be about. There is not a challenge yet for the MC and there are not even stakes built of tension, or rivals. So far the MC is exploring and doing stuff in a pretty chill way. Now, give me an actual instance where the series intends to display tension or a difficult path for the MC, which may happen later, may not, and your criticism will apply if this tension feels fake because he solves everything without a scratch. So far, this is the mood the series wants to portray and it's perfectly aware of that.

My issue is that you are blaming the show for failing at stakes it hasn't invoked yet. Yes the MC is overpowered right now but this is integrated to the narrative and the mood it wants to transmit at the moment.

jal90 said:

The tone the series establishes is important. So far as others have mentioned it's all comedic, the stakes don't seem serious, and the show is laid-back. And it's important to take that into account because if the show does not intend to introduce tension, at least so far, then we can't treat this as a flaw or a bad fanfic. It's integral to the kind of tone it wants to set.

Newtwu said:

It's funny you say these because for some reason, the anime community loves these tropes and have some of the highest light novel sales in Japan because of that *ahem* Overlord.

I don't see how people can't distinguish dumb fun from good plots.

jal90 said:
@Newtwu

It's not dumb fun and self-satisfaction/wish fulfillment because I'm not fulfilling any wish with this show. I'm having fun with a character finding out about their newly acquired powers in a new environment in a context where tension and stakes are yet to be developed, and so, when they are developed, we'll talk. You can't say that there could have been tension in the fight with the wolves when there was a specific intent of the show to not make this fight any tense or threatening, with the MC actually telling them to surrender because he's just too strong for them. Now if you want to say that you are not into this, go on, it's your opinion after all. But it's not exactly accurate to make the series seem like it's failing at something it is actively avoiding as part of its premise, and it's condescending as fuck to talk about self-insertion, wish fulfillment and any other implication that indirectly puts the blame on the audience for conforming and enjoying this show.

Also, do you want stories without tension or with little amounts? Because there's a lot I could mention xD

Newtwu said:


Nat it's not because of the tone. If you really think about it, the fact that the MC is a Mary Sue makes it so that all of this is just 'dumb fun'. There isn't really any character development because of the lack of tension and obstacles resulting from the MC. Basically everyone the MC comes across reveres him. If you want laid back, comedy, go look at Konosuba. Even though it's a comedy and laid back, each arc/quest go on still provide a pretty good plot that allows for more character development. Currently, this series is nothing but a show for dumb fun and self satisfaction.

jal90 said:
Nope @Newtwu not buying that. A rigid structure of introduction, escalation, climax and resolution isn't always called for, and it is reductive as fuck to pretend that every story needs to fulfill it, let alone immediately and in the very first episodes. Your example of K-On! applies well. There is a conflict? Yes. There is tension? Yes. There is a narrative absolutely and linearly devoted to wrap it up? No. It takes tangents, any it needs to establish its tone which is laid-back, observational and chill. As for slime, you are talking on the one hand like there's no way there'll be tension in the remaining 20 episodes, and on the other like the show intends to create tension with the stuff it showed so far, when it very clearly avoids and/or subverts it. I don't think any of these apply right now.

Newtwu said:
Alright, give me an example of a good show/book/movie that doesn't have the basic structure of writing a story.

Newtwu said:
Yes to write a story, you need a resolution and you also need to have the structrue of story-writing. You can't just leave things without wrapping things up. You don't end the series or the plot with a cliff-hanger, unless you're intending for the audience to come up with their own interpretation.

Newtwu said:
K-ON! creates its tone through its character developments, and character developments are developed through each episode's plot. You know why it's laid-back, observational and chill while also interesting to watch? It's because of the character development. They've each got their own quirks skills and obstacles they need to overcome but as they do, their characters get developed more and more.

Newtwu said:
As for Slime, it's been four episodes already and they've already put obstacles in the way of Rimuru. There is no building of tension because everything's just been a breeze for him. Sure, there could be an escalation of tension that comes but so far, there hasn't and it's just been a typical Mary Sue. One hitting literally every monster he's been up against and all problems that the side characters have, he's fixed because plot.

Vongalaxy said:
What the fuck is even the writing? A middle age office worker that they emphasize is a virgin dies a hero and become a cute girl with zero flaws. She just want peace and be friends with everyone and everyone practically worship and revolve their world around her. She has every power in the world without even lifting a finger and nothing in the whole world can stand in her way.

This is the type of shit you see in really bad fan fictions. It isn't even just the main character, literally every character is blander than a cardboard and literally just exist to worship our all powerful Jesus protag. There is no tension in the story and the whole show is just about showing how good and powerful the protag is. There is zero substance. There is nothing wrong with liking this show and dumb fun but don't pretend that this show is some interesting new take on the isekai genre. It's just a mashup on all the shit tropes in other isekai. Slime protag is easily worse written and blander than the infamous Kirito.

Best part is that they introduce a character later on that can potentially be more interesting than the whole cast combined

Production value of the adaptation is pretty good I guess.

jal90 said:
@Newtwu Mary Sue is a term that has certain implications other than a character being perfect or infallible. These certain implications are the ones I fail to see as clearly as you. In short, I don't see this as a wish-fulfillment fantasy. I don't see which wish it is supposed to fulfill.

Anyway on the other aspects: conflicts that don't get resolved do not necessarily end in a cliffhanger. As said, there's L'aventura as a famous arthouse example, that defied the very need of a conflict. That film does not end in a cliffhanger. It ends in a confusing middle ground, like stating that it was never obliged to reach a conclusion. Similar for Two-lane blacktop. I can't think of clear anime examples right now, but I'm quite sure I've seen some. This is indeed not frequent, but it's not something set in stone, specially for experimental narrative.

Climax? Anticlimax is a thing.

Escalation? I already said, the "escalation" of Quiet Country Cafe is simply moving away from the stakes of the conflict. It soothes instead of adding tension.

I can accept your scheme as a general rule of thumb but if it is forced to be present in every story it is taking away from the potential expressive width of the medium and from the diversity of ways a fictional work can develop a relationship with the viewer.

On My neighbor Totoro, why is that the climax refers to a conflict that only takes the last 10-15 minutes of a much larger narrative? If 65 minutes are about Mei and Satsuki exploring the forest and becoming friends with the Totoro creatures, isn't that more of the point of the film?

Hatred said:
i legit don't like anything about the series