| I personally like it don't know why people keep shitting at with, "ugh we all excel at different stuff and we'll never use that stuff in our life anyways ughh". Then they go fuck around and do useless shit like smoke pot. While not giving a shit about learning just to later get their liberal arts degree and complain about the economy/no jobs. However, I do agree that we do learn some useless shit in school unless ur going into a field that requires it. Consequently, if ur not good at something just kept trying at it. I'm shit at math, but I still got a hundred in geometry cause I look up youtube vids on the shit I don't get in class. (Lots of teachers have after school tutoring/classes but those gay.) |
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| I studied for a while in the US, and even though it had its bad things (as everything else in the world), I can't think of any serious complaints (except that school lunch was pretty nasty, but it's cheap af). Also it was pretty neat how students could choose their classes and stuff, while in my country you can't do that. However, for some reason, I felt that school in the US was pretty easier than my school in my country. Plus, lockers are awesome. |
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| I'm glad I graduated from a small town hick high school in the Bush era because while it may have been bad then it seems at least 10x worse now from what I've heard. |
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| Hm, it has less to do with applying the knowledge and more to do with training your brain and the problem solving aspect of it. |
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| The hell im loving it, when i was back in school we were not allowed to carry guns to school. |
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| As an American highschooler I have too much to say on this.. I'm fortunate enough to attend one of the best schools in my city, but I know people who, just because of where they live have access to worse education than I do. The 'bad' areas have bad schools which just keeps the cycle of poverty going since those kids graduate HS and struggle to find good jobs. I wish American 11th + 12th graders could elect to go to technical school during those years rather than continuing on their education. Graduating high school with experience in a blue collar job (mechanic, electrician, plumber) could put them right in the workforce and have a good enough pay right off the bat. Those who want to continue education into college and beyond have every right to do so, it's just the ones who know they won't go, should have an opportunity to gain knowledge in a certain field. |
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| Do American students actually break out into musical numbers like in Glee or Grease or High School the Musical or My Little Pony Friendship is Magic Equestria Girls? I think I could be down with that, I've been working on my falsetto. |
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| The only good thing I got out of public school was I got to dual enroll in a community college for my last 2 years without being charged and having transportation provided. So I basically took 3 college classes ahead of time and also got to try out engineering for a year. I was also always on the honor roll and I would have probably had a higher GPA but my math classes generally had terrible teachers and course design. I won't pretend that I didn't have any fun teachers but they were generally in the science or history areas neither of which really applied to any field I wanted to go into. The few computer classes my high school had were pretty solid but there's a huge emphasis on "few". A lot of the requirements for graduation were definitely a waste. One example being I had to take pottery in my senior year because I needed an art class, and that is in no way useful to me and it will never be useful to me. From a college standpoint the courses are a huge improvement and the option for online classes is fantastic; however, the main complaint stands that it is excessively expensive with no real justification. I'm just glad I skipped the dorm experience because it did not seem worth the ~10k. |
| asking the wrong person. i attended a schools that didn't use all the standards of the U.S education system. and before that high school i was home schooled and my college was a private college so idk if what you learned is the same as me. so how i feel about the high school i attended it is it didn't teach me useless information. most the time. physics, history,economics, biology chemistry, English and literature. all have practical life information. what was more my high school actual encourage people finding a job path during high school. which i hear isn't the case with most high schools. we had electives in animation, writing, drama, PC repair, design. (yes my school was heavenly electronics based.) |
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| America has the best education system. It's the only education system in the world that you can sleep in class, never do any work, and just show up for finals and get a D for a passing grade. |
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| I dont know abt the actual schools, cuz I dont liv there, but the tv shows I watch, dont really care.... why am I even here? |
| Haha.. The U.S. education system is a joke. You "liking" it doesn't change anything about it. - A large majority of schooling districts give their teachers pre-designed courses to teach. They don't teach a subject. They teach tests. That's all the districts care about; better test scores. - Extreme lack of funding on all fronts. Teachers salary. Lack of supplies. - Forcing High School students to wake up as early as 5am in some places for school despite numerous studies that show children perform better in school with later starting times (they do this because they cut corners with school buses, so High/Middle/Elementary all have different start times so they can use the same batch of buses for each). - Overpopulating classes. Another corner they cut to save money. Again, numerous studies proven that the smaller the class the better a student performs. When I was in HS, we had like 35 kids to a class. 2 kids could have been fucking in the back and the teacher probably wouldn't have noticed. - School sports trump education. Are you aware how many student athletes are given free rides just because they're good at a certain sport? This is something that both High Schools and Universities do. There have been legitimate NFL players who have gone through universities who can barely read. ---- Also don't parrot that whole "Liberal Arts degree" nonsense. You realize that the term "Liberal Arts" encompasses a whole lot of majors, right? There are plenty of career fields to choose from. Something like "Art History"is a bit more useless. And what's wrong with smoking pot? If anything, pot should help you learn as long as you're not using any wild strains. Helps you mellow out (students are very stressed). If more students smoked pot instead of drank alcohol and popped pills, we'd be much better off as a country. |
| It is not fun at all, but I think it is ok overall. Their are not much ways to improve it without changing the budget of schools by a large portion. |
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| to me no education system in this world is likable (I've been to China, Taiwan, U.S, Japan and Austrilia for 1 year as an exchange student) |
| Personally I don't know the US education but I've heard that US education is much more lower than the education in Poland , I don't know for that's true or not , but I can say that Polish education is really strict. About "ugh we all excel at different stuff and we'll never use that stuff in our life anyways ughh". I would say it's in every country in my opinion it doesn't matter , receiving a new education in any of subject is always nice , but of course there are some subject which someone doesn't like that's obvious. I would also say that (in Poland but idk how with US) there are alot of stuffs which is good to know in theory etc. but there are no subjects which will teach you how to really live , and keep going in life in future in hard decisions or life moments which everyone of us will experience someday. |
| the college education system at least is one of the, if not the top of world |
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| It's definitely more strict than elsewhere but that's because of reasons I guess |
| It's slightly better than Canada's education system. Mainly in that they have more support for those with mental and learning disabilities. However, this is assuming if you're in a well of area in America. If you're going to an American school in an impoverished area where funding has gone to shit? Yea... It's pretty awful, and I'd say Canada's is better at that point. School across the globe pretty much (though the North American and Asian continents more heavily) all suffer from the same issue. Shoving a one size fits all approach down students throats expecting it to work, teaching the creativity out of them, raising people to temporarily memorise facts to spouse out rather than to actually think and apply their knowledge, raising them with a sense that grades determine everything (even one's own value), that the only purpose in life is to make a lot of money. Completely neglecting in teaching skills that apply to most of life, like finding a job, your own human rights, safe sex, how to cook, how to parent, knowledge on different mental disorders and how to help friends suffering from them (or hell, survive them). Some of those can be found as electives, depending on the school (so not everyone), though learning all of Shakespeare and what numbers are prime got deemed more important. >.> A lot of it originates from how the model schools currently use was made back when everyone got a factory job. So the timed bells to leave class, assigned seating, sitting in rows, being dead quiet during a lecture and not being able to ask questions without permission, needing permission to use the washroom (even in Grade 12 where you're old enough to join the army!?). It all was done to train people to be obedient, obey routines, and repetitive labour. It wasn't designed to create, happy, or free thinking individuals. Which, hurts one's quality of life, and their ability to adapt into the working world, which today often demands a lot of the skills that school spent so long teaching out of students. @Nithirel also covered a few points, like the abysmal lack of funding schools (and teachers) have, the insane class sizes, how very clear bias is given to people who excel in sports. School's a bit of a mess. >.> |
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| No it doesn't allow people to learn at their own pace which causes most to either get left behind or not be able to go fast enough to reach their true potential. It also doesn't offer the kind of freedom in what you can choose to learn that's so great about college. It also totally fucks kids in poor areas who want to work hard to crawl out of poverty by surrounding them with students and teachers who not only don't care but may even get in their way. The system also pushes this dumb notion that everybody has to go to college when a lot of careers going to college is by no means necessary and will just end up settling you with a bunch of debt. The system also offers zero vocational training for anybody who wants to go straight from High School to a blue collar job like being a plumber or a mechanic. The teacher's union also totally fucks over the children 24/7 with just the worst policies and in addition makes it impossible to fire bad teachers and reward good ones with the high pay that they deserve. In addition maybe this was just because I live in California but there was an absolutely disgusting amount of political indoctrination. In Elementary School (kids who know literally nothing about politics) everybody in my grade had to write an essay about why Obama getting elected would bring great change to the country (the country hadn't even voted yet lol). And in Highschool it started to get REALLY bad. For English/History there were teachers who if you expressed a Conservative opinion in an essay they'd give you a D or an F. One teacher I had told us George Bush orchestrated 9/11 and ranted a few times about Fox News whenever she accidentally turned it on when turning on the television to insert and play a video (she also had posters up of George Bush as a devil). I also had a teacher with a Sarah Palin calendar where each month was a dumb thing she said which whilst funny was hardly appropriate. I also recently saw in the local newspaper an old teacher of mine got suspended (on paid leave though lol) for spending a whole class comparing Trump to Hitler (a few parents complained to the school). I liked him because he'd let us goof off and watch movies lol but this is also the same guy that on my first day of Highschool said to a student "What are you some kind of a Republican?" which at first I thought was just him joking around but realized he was serious when later on he spent a whole class talking about the wonders of Socialism (when this was an Ancient History class that didn't have anything to do with that). Also not political but I saw a teacher in the newspaper got caught for having sexual relations with a student so there's that too lol. And don't even get me started on our zero effort in order to protect the students' mental well being. The US education system really is a terrible system. I wish we ran things like a mix of Switzerland's education system, Singapore's education system, and America's college education system (specifically the online lessons they've been embracing recently that allow students to move at their own pace and take more classes). |
| nah they’re out to get your sheckles i wish it wasn’t cluttered with sjw :( |
| From my opinion education in general is to provide more knowledge in different field of interests. Educators are important and it is important to spread knowledge because you will shape the future of next generations. I think americans should be thankful for all those accessible knowledge that they have. You finish your study in your field of interest, not to feel forced to fulfill community obligations. Usually I think rich aristocrats family would send their offspring over there to become a productive human being. Just take it as any form of excessive activity would be bad. It's their choice, and teach people to love people, not to love money. I'm not spreading socialism here, but if people can be nice to each other man you as a teacher should smile. |
| The US doesn't even rank in the top25 for primary and secondary education in basically all categories. Reading, mathematics, sciences, you name it. Tertiary education is predatory in the US, fucking everyone who is poor. Go figure. There are some great universities, but I can't really call them great if they charge students an ungodly amount of money. Horrible country, horrible education system. |
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| i moved from usa to france to study after college and while college may be like 500$ a year hear, once you graduate and get a job, you get hellllla taxes taken out of your paycheck. |
Nithirel said: Haha.. The U.S. education system is a joke. You "liking" it doesn't change anything about it. - A large majority of schooling districts give their teachers pre-designed courses to teach. They don't teach a subject. They teach tests. That's all the districts care about; better test scores. - Extreme lack of funding on all fronts. Teachers salary. Lack of supplies. - Forcing High School students to wake up as early as 5am in some places for school despite numerous studies that show children perform better in school with later starting times (they do this because they cut corners with school buses, so High/Middle/Elementary all have different start times so they can use the same batch of buses for each). - Overpopulating classes. Another corner they cut to save money. Again, numerous studies proven that the smaller the class the better a student performs. When I was in HS, we had like 35 kids to a class. 2 kids could have been fucking in the back and the teacher probably wouldn't have noticed. - School sports trump education. Are you aware how many student athletes are given free rides just because they're good at a certain sport? This is something that both High Schools and Universities do. There have been legitimate NFL players who have gone through universities who can barely read. ---- Also don't parrot that whole "Liberal Arts degree" nonsense. You realize that the term "Liberal Arts" encompasses a whole lot of majors, right? There are plenty of career fields to choose from. Something like "Art History"is a bit more useless. And what's wrong with smoking pot? If anything, pot should help you learn as long as you're not using any wild strains. Helps you mellow out (students are very stressed). If more students smoked pot instead of drank alcohol and popped pills, we'd be much better off as a country. my sister is 13 and they gave all the kids new chrome books to use in class. while this probably doesn't happen everyone. I don't see it as lack of supplies, but bad use of school funds. there's no reason the kids need chrome books in my opinion. especially when they can all just look up shit on their smart phones |
| among the rich countries USA have one of the worse education i heard https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/02/us-students-are-lagging-behind-academically-heres-why why USA is still the top science and innovation center? because of its secret weapon |
deg said: among the rich countries USA have one of the worse education i heard https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/02/us-students-are-lagging-behind-academically-heres-why why USA is still the top science and innovation center? because of its secret weapon Lol. The US uses the Imperial system instead of metric. Testing 15 year olds doesn't do shit when you receive your specialized education in whatever field in college. Besides I don't need to be able to use a micrometer to adjust my red dot scope... wait... 100 Best Universities in the World Today — 2018 Harvard University University of California–Berkeley University of Chicago University of Michigan Columbia University Yale University Princeton University Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) University of Cambridge Stanford University Oxford University Cornell University University of California–Los Angeles University of Wisconsin–Madison University of Toronto University of Manchester Duke University New York University Johns Hopkins University University of Pennsylvania University of Minnesota Twin Cities University of California–San Diego University of Paris (Sorbonne) Northwestern University McGill University Hebrew University of Jerusalem University of Washington The University of Texas at Austin University of British Columbia King’s College London University of Bristol Rutgers University London School of Economics University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign University of Southern California University of Edinburgh Brown University California Institute of Technology University of Munich University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Moscow State University University College London University of Vienna University of Maryland University of Pittsburgh Pennsylvania State University University of California–Irvine Australian National University Swarthmore College University of Bonn University of Birmingham Boston University University of Tübingen University of Sussex University of Warwick University of Sheffield University of Arizona University of Virginia University of Leeds University of Rochester University of Amsterdam Heidelberg University Syracuse University University of Massachusetts–Amherst University of Utah Washington University in St Louis Leiden University Free University of Berlin University of Notre Dame Rice University University of Oslo Birkbeck, University of London Utrecht University Wesleyan University City University of New York Imperial College London University of Göttingen University of California–Davis Dartmouth College University of Sydney National Autonomous University of Mexico University of Buenos Aires Goethe University Frankfurt Ohio State University University of Copenhagen Arizona State University University of Southampton Florida State University University of Calcutta University of Georgia The University of Tokyo University of Melbourne University of Florida Brandeis University Stockholm University Vanderbilt University Case Western Reserve University University of Warsaw University of Cologne Michigan State University https://thebestschools.org/rankings/best-universities-world-today/ |
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| @Soverign college education improves even the video of Michio Kaku says so and one of the reason is the brain draining H1B visa given to foreigners by USA the poor education in USA is mostly about elementary and high school levels EDIT: its actually F1 student visa and not H1B visa |
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deg said: @Soverign college education improves even the video of Michio Kaku says so and one of the reason is the brain draining H1B visa given to foreigners by USA the poor education in USA is mostly about elementary and high school levels EDIT: its actually F1 student visa and not H1B visa Yeah. We might totally miss out on the next Google and Apple update... that the US military gave the private sector to exploit for the glory of capitalism. DO SOME SCIENCE SOLDIER!  SIR YES SIR! https://www.businessinsider.com/8-technologies-the-pentagon-pursuing-create-super-soldiers-2017-7#7-powered-underwear-7 https://www.darpa.mil/program/our-research/darpa-and-the-brain-initiative |
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maiko_june said: Nithirel said: Haha.. The U.S. education system is a joke. You "liking" it doesn't change anything about it. - A large majority of schooling districts give their teachers pre-designed courses to teach. They don't teach a subject. They teach tests. That's all the districts care about; better test scores. - Extreme lack of funding on all fronts. Teachers salary. Lack of supplies. - Forcing High School students to wake up as early as 5am in some places for school despite numerous studies that show children perform better in school with later starting times (they do this because they cut corners with school buses, so High/Middle/Elementary all have different start times so they can use the same batch of buses for each). - Overpopulating classes. Another corner they cut to save money. Again, numerous studies proven that the smaller the class the better a student performs. When I was in HS, we had like 35 kids to a class. 2 kids could have been fucking in the back and the teacher probably wouldn't have noticed. - School sports trump education. Are you aware how many student athletes are given free rides just because they're good at a certain sport? This is something that both High Schools and Universities do. There have been legitimate NFL players who have gone through universities who can barely read. ---- Also don't parrot that whole "Liberal Arts degree" nonsense. You realize that the term "Liberal Arts" encompasses a whole lot of majors, right? There are plenty of career fields to choose from. Something like "Art History"is a bit more useless. And what's wrong with smoking pot? If anything, pot should help you learn as long as you're not using any wild strains. Helps you mellow out (students are very stressed). If more students smoked pot instead of drank alcohol and popped pills, we'd be much better off as a country. my sister is 13 and they gave all the kids new chrome books to use in class. while this probably doesn't happen everyone. I don't see it as lack of supplies, but bad use of school funds. there's no reason the kids need chrome books in my opinion. especially when they can all just look up shit on their smart phones There are definitely districts that have more funding than others, but there are more teachers who have to pay for basic supplies for their classrooms (pencils, markers, paper, erasers, etc etc) out of their own pocket than ones who are given a box of chrome books for their class. I do agree it is reckless spending. I'm sure that money could have been better spent on other things. |
| @deg ha I migrated from Mexico and I'm valedictorian of my school, so I guess the video is true then. |
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| We have a good university system, and a bad high school system. From what I hear, China has the opposite problem, a good high school system and bad university system. However, due to money and historically held beliefs, all education today have some fundamental flaws. Noticeably, most schools still pretend that computers and interactive technology wasn't a thing for the past 20 years. Most schools still retain the lecture format, which has been shown scientifically as not being effective. Most schools refuse to record lectures so that students could replay them, because they fear that technology would eliminate their jobs (and maybe it will one day, in the form of Khan Academy, etc.). Most schools teach based on age groups and not understanding, due to a holdover from the Industrial Era, like 100+ years ago. Most universities are evaluated by how much research they churn out, which is a privilege to top students, but not how well the average student learns. But then again, until we fix this "my tax dollars are more important than country infrastructure" attitude, there is no chance of anything improving in America except for by the philanthropy of private citizens, which is a contradiction to said attitude. This is why -- to the OP -- forget trade schools. This is your only opportunity for the ascent. In the near future, the US will be sliding towards third world country standards, and you either have international mobility, or you don't. Don't be another disgruntled rural populist because you chose to be in the coal industry for past 30 years, despite obvious signs that the world is shifting to alternative energy sources. You think the US is unbeatable? Look around you. Even countries with shitty governments have high speed bullet trains and better education funding, etc., and we're still arguing about the merit of car emission improvements, or how much taxes a high speed train would cost if built between the 2nd and 3rd most populous cities in the country. |
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