| Grand Blue takes place in a University which is a big difference |
jarring said: and I mean specifically with the excessive drinking while still in school as well as getting naked. Is that what you think about when you think about Americans? |
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| Im pretty sure most colleges are like this no matter where you go. |
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assyrian said: When I think about Americans I think about fat people eating their tenth large burger for breakfast. Am I wrong?jarring said: and I mean specifically with the excessive drinking while still in school as well as getting naked. Is that what you think about when you think about Americans? |
jarring said: PraetorPat said: Im pretty sure most colleges are like this no matter where you go. I have a hard time believing Japanese University is like that. lol i had to look it up and this seemed appropriate |
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Klad said: When I think about Americans I think about fat people eating their tenth large burger for breakfast. Am I wrong? The next question is this: can you see fat people eating burgers in Grand Blue |
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assyrian said: ... No? I was genuinely trying to get an answer out of you. You didn't answer my question damnKlad said: When I think about Americans I think about fat people eating their tenth large burger for breakfast. Am I wrong? The next question is this: can you see fat people eating burgers in Grand Blue |
jarring said: also if anyone is confused what shameless actually means. it doesn't equal pride. it means like.. flicking a cigarette butt out your window... basically all these things that Japan is obviously NOT at ALL. like they go through many extremes to be very polite and respectful. It's the opposite of that, it's being obnoxious, not caring for your own and others well-being. Just not giving a flying fuck about anything. It's like being radically right and believing there is no harm in wearing your birthday suit in public despite causing a commotion just for the sake of "free will". You are looking into this too deeply. Its just a comedy anime |
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| So are you implying that American culture is being shameless and drinking? That's interesting) |
| japanese nudity was very common pre meiji restoration and still lingers in modern culture such as grand blue |
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| Oh trying to link anime with western culture. |
| From what I'm reading, it seems like you think Japan is some sort of utopia, when it's not. It's not a uniformed country. There is intellectual and cultural diversity among the folks in the land of the rising sun. |
| let's just rewind back and say that one of the first anime "astro boy" imitated american culture. it's better off when japan was isolated, way before those 'muricans invaded them with trading and affected them |
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| No. The world doesn't revolve around America, mate. |
jarring said: uninstallthegame said: let's just rewind back and say that one of the first anime "astro boy" imitated american culture. it's better off when japan was isolated, way before those 'muricans invaded them with trading and affected them WWII was tragic. Information is... important. Back in the day the armies knew exactly what they were fighting for almost 100% of the time. but now... there's always a chain of command, and what we're actually told by the media is always contrived garbage. Also i don't think they were completely "isolated" as you say. Memory management is a bitch though. Have you heard of the Jeju Uprising? That's some shit. i was talking about this and this, not ww2 events. and it was a joke, we're talking about anime here, right? |
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jarring said: Back in the day the armies knew exactly what they were fighting for almost 100% of the time. Which history book taught you that? Yes, but pop-culture wise, how many famous movies in the veins of American Pie and nearly all teen comedy/rom-com movies rife with heavy drinking and frat culture can you name from other countries? |
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Eanki said: Yes, but pop-culture wise, how many famous movies in the veins of American Pie and nearly all teen comedy/rom-com movies rife with heavy drinking and frat culture can you name from other countries? Never heard of American Pie. I don't know any American teen comedy/rom-com movies rife with heavy drinking and frat culture. Conversely, I do know the heavy drinking in universities, as I practice it myself. All of this is also true for all of my close friends. None of us care that much about 'American frat culture' while drinking raucously close to death, why would the Japanese be any different? Heavy drinking etc. in universities exist everywhere, no reason to pull American pop culture into that. |
| Insulting? It's not that big of a deal man, it's just a comedy anime. Besides, pretty sure drinking and going wild isn't exclusive to American university culture. |
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jarring said: from what i remember, wars were pretty straight forward...also pretty sure a soldier of an "empire" knew exactly what they were doing. i don't remember reading anything about soldiers fighting for a cause they didn't know anything about. And you think there were no underlying political or economic reasons for the wars they fought hidden from them? It's not a new invention. Take the Crusades. The Christian Jihad. The Holy War. It was sold as a fight for the Holy Land against the Muslim invaders. But it comes with it expansionism, adventure, and plunder. Let's start with religion. How about the fact that the Byzantine Empire, the one that called for their "aid" in desperation is also the place for the Eastern Orthodox Church, one of Christianity's larger churches/sects next to Roman Catholic Church? Ever thought about the implications of religious power struggles in that that may have played in Rome/Vatican's decision to launch/promote the crusade? Considering that the Byzantine Iconoclasm was said to have played a major part in splintering Christianity into separate sects: the Catholic Church based in Rome and the Eastern Orthodox Church in Constantinople, and that Byzantine Emperor Alexius Comnenus added the inducement of reunifying the recently severed Eastern and Western Churches in his plea for aid. Who do you think is the more favorable party to come out should reunification occur? Certainly not the one who called for aid and the one whose lands are being ravaged. Then we have the Truce of God, the Catholic Church's attempt to limit warfare within Christian nations in Western Europe. To Pope Urban, the crusade was a chance to end all wars in which Christian fought Christian and deflect Western European militarism towards Muslims in the East. There were political forces at work too. The Crusades were tied to the Investiture Controversy, the struggle for power between the rising authority of the Pope and the traditional ruling political system of the day. From the papal perspective, the kings of Europe had long intruded upon the sacred right of the Pope to run his own business. In calling the First Crusade, Urban II shifted the theater of action in this conflict to an arena where medieval kings had traditionally reigned supreme, the battlefield. Urban usurped the prerogative of secular rulers to declare an enemy and muster troops for battle. Economically, there were the Venetians. During the Fourth Crusade, the crusaders were sent by ship from the port of Venice, a major power in those waters. Although intended to regain the Holy Land from the Muslims by way of Egypt, the crusade was hijacked by the Venetians and directed against the Christian cities of Zara and then Constantinople, which offered a softer target and richer pickings. Zara, one of Venice's subject states on the eastern shore of the Adriatic Sea, had recently revolted from the city's maritime empire and, to avoid Venetian reprisal, the people of Zara had delivered their city into the Pope's embrace. Zara was now one of the Papal States, an currently under construction by the Roman Church. In exchange for cash, the Venetians contracted with the crusaders to stop in at Zara on their way and force it back under Venice's control. [...] There the crusaders came upon a Byzantine exile, a pretender to the throne who had recently been exiled from Byzantium and who offered them a substantial sum if they would put him on the throne. With the sanction of the Venetians who saw nothing but advantage in causing turmoil in Byzantium (their trading rival), the crusaders were diverted again. This time they headed in the direction of Constantinople. [...] Constantinople was taken, the Emperor deposed, and Baldwin of Flanders was set up in his place. The Sack of Constantinople in 1204 lasted three days. The great library there was destroyed when the crusaders ransacked it, then stabled their horses there. Ancient learning and literature was lost in that catastrophe, almost certainly including the complete works of ancient authors whose writings now exist only in tattered fragments. Some were entirely lost. The victorious crusaders amused themselves in the usual way, even though this was the capital of Christendom. As well as the standard bout of destruction, the men of the cross desecrated imperial tombs, plundered churches, stole holy relics, wrecked houses, vandalised libraries, destroyed whatever loot they could not carry, raped nuns, and murdered at will. They also set a prostitute on the patriarch's throne in Sancta Sophia, the Church of the Holy Wisdom, the greatest Church in Christendom. Later a Latin (i.e. Roman Catholic) patriarch was installed, and the Venetians shipped off the remaining treasures to their own city, where some of them remain to this day. Do you think the common soldiery knows and understands all these ramifications? The past is overly romanticized. |
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| Are you claiming that students getting black out drunk and stripping is an American thing ???? |
| culture? which culture? if you're talking about a group of university student everydays life, so your question is meaningless. |
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| American culture? They would be crying about their loan debts lmao sobs |
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jarring said: Lanz said: Never heard of American Pie. I don't know any American teen comedy/rom-com movies rife with heavy drinking and frat culture. Conversely, I do know the heavy drinking in universities, as I practice it myself. All of this is also true for all of my close friends. None of us care that much about 'American frat culture' while drinking raucously close to death, why would the Japanese be any different? Heavy drinking etc. in universities exist everywhere, no reason to pull American pop culture into that. he makes a fair point though. everyone knows that "drinking alcohol" is universal but there are MANY american movies about frat culture. Animal House is probably one of the most famous ones and is a classic example. shit it's from 1978! I haven't seen it in awhile, but I wouldn't be surprised if there is streaking in this movie. I know for a fact there are plenty of "frat party" teen movies with streaking in it. if you didn't know streaking is getting really drunk and running around butt ass naked. there are a SHITLOAD of these movies. American Pie is just one of them. Well, good for you. Never heard of Animal House neither. Of course drinking is universal, but I'd say that the antics in Grand Blue are quite universal too. It's perfectly relatable to me, minus maybe the stripping. Out of the behaviour shown in Grand Blue what exactly are you claiming as not universal/exclusive to American frat culture? Stripping? That's extremely precarious, IMO. |
| I'm not from America, but the college reality is similar to Grand Blue. There are no clubs, and people dont get naked, but some people attend just to drink, party and try to get laid. They give zero fucks about grades. Some dont even attend classes or study at all, they just try to cheat their way through. Maybe college is like this everywhere, or at least is at western/westernized countries. |
| it's not even american things, wtf OP? |
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| Are we still in the delusion that Japan is a very pure country where holding hands are prohibited until both party consented with their parents? The whole gag/exaggeration portrayal of the characters who excessively drink gets diluted as it goes on, though in my opinion, it's not just US that have liquor store. Though, I find that it is a deconstruction of Japanese culture, not necessarily mean an imitation of western culture. Grand Blue, dives towards the taboo of not drinking but sexual preferences of characters, that had widely spread and contained our society. |
| The short and definite answer: No. The long answer: Who even cares??? |
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jarring said: thanks, was really hoping for an authority on the subject to come and help us all out. You're welcome buddy. I'll be here any day of the week if you need expert answers and advice on other subjects and topics. |
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