Tokyo Ghoul:re Chapter 171 Discussion

Aardwolf94 said:
This is like Naruto now where characters who did a lot of terrible shit just become friends again and don't get any punishment. Uta helped Furuta for ridiculous reasons and now he is a "bro" (before this it was Mutsuki).

Lemonraj said:
How in the actual fuck can this chapter be called boring

CharlesMarlow said:
To me it seems that the current story direction is the fault of Ishida's editors. Even :re must have been the result of his editors. I think that Ishida never had a plan to make Kaneki amnesiac, I think that all that he planned was a story with a new character in Qs Squad, but the editors told him to do it. Then the fans demanded ghoul side back with the old Kaneki, so he did it. This week the editor told him: "Hey, Uta is a popular character we cannot kill him, his ratings are good and kill that Donato dude as fast as possible because he is at the bottom of the ratings". That is all how it went down, if you watched Bakuman you'll know how JUMP functions as a company. This pattern could be seen in all Jump mangas, popular characters almost never die.

CharlesMarlow said:
This week the editor told him: "Hey, Uta is a popular character we cannot kill him, his ratings are good and kill that Donato dude as fast as possible because he is at the bottom of the ratings". That is all how it went down, if you watched Bakuman you'll know how JUMP functions as a company. This pattern could be seen in all Jump mangas, popular characters almost never die.

Minami-Nan said:


Are you sure Donato is at the bottom of ratings? The guy is undeniably the Hannibal Lecter of Tokyo Ghoul, knowing everything behind bars, seems not that unpopular to me.

b-okiya said:
Well I'd say that he's the type who tends to get hated for being purely and intimidatingly evil. Yes he's the mastermind and is really standing above others in knowledge and might, but still doesn't seem lovable at all (unlike other antagonists like Furuta who got them shenanigans).

CharlesMarlow said:
Say what you want, but these fights were put into plot way too conveniently.
Why did CCG and GOAT joint forces send Amon and Renji so conveniently to stop the Clowns?
Logically there was little sense. It looked as if the author chose the most convenient way to resolve the conflicts of thee 4 characters since he wants to rush it under the pressure of the magazine or his decision to end the story in the next volume. :re is definitely coming to end soon, the rush proves it.

Minami-Nan said:


I think most hatred towards him would be because he abused his position of authority to murder and abuse children while corrupting young Amon as well. Yet he gives off an impression of kindness for making that kid his protégé (accomplice to be accurate).
In comparison, Furuta seems to be worse, he's a joker, doesn't take anything seriously (in appearance) and seems overpowered which is a trope for the all-powerful jester, who's hellbent on raping his childhood crush...

crystal-frost said:
I agree, the join forces sending (only) Amon and Yomo as a team to deal with the Clowns just feels too convenient, to the point that it looks like they are underestimating their opponents.

Aardwolf94 said:
This is like Naruto now where characters who did a lot of terrible shit just become friends again and don't get any punishment. Uta helped Furuta for ridiculous reasons and now he is a "bro" (before this it was Mutsuki).

In general Uta and Donato went out like bitches, damm. Horrible chapter

Minami-Nan said:

Ok people, just for the sake of discussion, who do you think should have been sent to deal with Uta and Donato from the Clowns? If Amon and Renji are too convenient, please tell me who cause right now, I don't see any other combatants who fit the bill. Renji fought Uta before, that's no underestimating his opponent, he KNOWS the opponent. As for Amon, who else to deal with SS rating ghoul Donato if not former CCG prodigy and now Rc level over 9000 one-eyed ghoul Floppy?

AngelOfLight said:


Nah you need to understand Uta and Renji are already friends from the start. And their relationship is kinda competitive as well, always fighting to see who is stronger. When Renji's sis was killed by Arima but he eventually let go of the grudge and moved on, Uta couldnt understand it. Uta couldnt let go of the grudge he has against humans. Which is why he started straying off from Renji and continued to do all the bad stuff to kill investigators and humans. Uta is just like a delinquent and both of them have big misunderstanding for each other. Which is why I find that it's totally reasonable to redeem Uta (unlike Mutsuki. Dont udnerstand why he wasnt killed)

AngelOfLight said:

Ikr. I totally agree with you. Sometimes people fail to see that the plot is just set up this way from the very beginning. Which is why it seems so expected and convenient. This is good story planning though. Not all good stories have to have plot twists here and there, esp when TG series already have bunch of plot twists. It's time for things to start wrapping up.

Minami-Nan said:

Ok people, just for the sake of discussion, who do you think should have been sent to deal with Uta and Donato from the Clowns? If Amon and Renji are too convenient, please tell me who cause right now, I don't see any other combatants who fit the bill. Renji fought Uta before, that's no underestimating his opponent, he KNOWS the opponent. As for Amon, who else to deal with SS rating ghoul Donato if not former CCG prodigy and now Rc level over 9000 one-eyed ghoul Floppy?

Aezeryel said:

But it's not just Uta and Donato. There's also Itori and Nico. That's two people against four. Juuzou was already in Arata, so I don't see why he shouldn't have been sent. Tsukiyama and Nishiki as well.

Minami-Nan said:

It's true, yet they seem busy so it makes sense they are not the ones confronting the clowns. Itori and Nico are passive members though. Maybe Takizawa can join the lot.

Aezeryel said:

But CCG didn't know they were going to be passive, so they knowingly sent two people against four opponents. I doubt Takizawa will do anything, cause he had no problem with watching Amon get pummeled, and he doesn't have any personal reason to join the fray.

Minami-Nan said:

I think it's simpler than that. Most people were already engaging in combat like Suzuya, Tsukiyama and Nishiki. The moment Hinami detected the location of the whistling, Yomo and Amon went there as the clowns were attempting to flee but were too late for that. Takizawa is the rogue ally, can't order him around. Numerical superiority means nothing in TG and you see it very often so it is unnecessary to have four versus four. To me, it makes sense to have Amon vs Donato and Uta vs Yomo.

Aezeryel said:

Engaging in combat? With whom? Eto/Owl/whatever you wanna call her, was practically subdued and V agents were gone, so there were no other opponents.
Numerical superiority does mean something. Yoshimura was beaten because he was far outnumbered, Irimi was defeated because she was outnumbered, Kaneki against Juuzou and Abara, Big Mom vs Suzuya squad. It's not necessary, but it's smarter and more logical.

Minami-Nan said:

Hmm... Okay. Please read chapter 168 again because I'm not sure we're reading the same manga. You say no opponents, so CCG and ghouls are killing themselves in a blast from their own doing? Kaneki, busy. Ayato, busy. Suzuya, busy. Take squad, busy. Urie squad, busy. Goat, busy as well. So tell me who is free for a fight right before the Clowns attempted to flee except for Takizawa and his girlfriend Kobin.
As for numerical superiority, you only pick up examples to make your point while discarding all the rest. It is smart and logical but wars have been won with lesser numbers. Arima is the best example. Urie as well, against two clowns. Kaneki does this on a daily basis. Oh wait! Yomo vs Mutsuki & Aura. So you see, numerical superiority in TG means nothing, cause it goes both ways.