Black Clover Chapter 154 Discussion

Apr 20, 2018 12:56 AM

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THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER.
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An entire chapter about their rivalry...

Lol, they could of shortened it to just a few panels.

Stark700Apr 20, 2018 1:22 AM

Apr 20, 2018 1:20 AM

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Yuno overcame the power of the Elf trying to control him, nice. Tag team battle initiate!

Apr 20, 2018 1:20 AM

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Ok that was completely unforeseeable. What a twist.
And as usual, Asta being the typical shonen protagonist. I really like how brutal BC gets suddenly. I wasn't expecting Mimosa being beat like that. Overall chapter felt very short but it was good, imo.

Apr 20, 2018 1:39 AM

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Ow and Yuno not turning into evil or like others also makes sense now. Assuming he is the unborn child of Litch, then like all the Elvs he also reincarnated as human around a common period of time. Now, for other Elves they just simply remembers about their past experience, incidents and all after using the reincarnation magic on them. But for Yuno, he didn't turn out like others because he has no memories of his past life and everything for him started completely new and fresh.

Apr 20, 2018 3:48 AM

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So glad that yuno hasn’t been taken over (or not completely at least)

Apr 20, 2018 4:13 AM

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draco11 said:
Ow and Yuno not turning into evil or like others also makes sense now. Assuming he is the unborn child of Litch, then like all the Elvs he also reincarnated as human around a common period of time. Now, for other Elves they just simply remembers about their past experience, incidents and all after using the reincarnation magic on them. But for Yuno, he didn't turn out like others because he has no memories of his past life and everything for him started completely new and fresh.

Maybe asta the unborn child too? Something like actually the unborn child is unidentical twin and one of the twin is human like their mother while the other is elf like their father?? But isn't yuno haircolor different from both? :/

Apr 20, 2018 4:31 AM

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Airputih said:

draco11 said:
Ow and Yuno not turning into evil or like others also makes sense now. Assuming he is the unborn child of Litch, then like all the Elvs he also reincarnated as human around a common period of time. Now, for other Elves they just simply remembers about their past experience, incidents and all after using the reincarnation magic on them. But for Yuno, he didn't turn out like others because he has no memories of his past life and everything for him started completely new and fresh.

Maybe asta the unborn child too? Something like actually the unborn child is unidentical twin and one of the twin is human like their mother while the other is elf like their father?? But isn't yuno haircolor different from both? :/

Yuno is a human and in past you can assume as unborn baby he was half elf half human. So basically while being a human in this life he inherited the qualities of Elvs like high mana and reincarnation magic just simply opened up gold mine of mana for Yuno. For Asta, definitely there's some stories behind it but him being twin or something like that is not possible, imo. Reason is if he was then the reincarnation magic might also worked on him. That Church old man found both of them at the same time if I'm not mistaken. Why at the same time? There's a mystery behind that as well. And if any reincarnation or whatsoever is related with Asta then it has to be linked with after when Litch gained 5 leaf, summoned the ancient demon god and all. Maybe he is reincarnation of the demon god. Who knows?

Apr 20, 2018 7:40 AM

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Well, that was unexpected.. I thought he was going to attack Asta.

Apr 20, 2018 7:48 AM

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yuno overcome reincarnation magic, rather than Asta try to convince him.. power of promise! this series is such a blast!

Airputih said:

draco11 said:
Ow and Yuno not turning into evil or like others also makes sense now. Assuming he is the unborn child of Litch, then like all the Elvs he also reincarnated as human around a common period of time. Now, for other Elves they just simply remembers about their past experience, incidents and all after using the reincarnation magic on them. But for Yuno, he didn't turn out like others because he has no memories of his past life and everything for him started completely new and fresh.

Maybe asta the unborn child too? Something like actually the unborn child is unidentical twin and one of the twin is human like their mother while the other is elf like their father?? But isn't yuno haircolor different from both? :/

draco11 said:

Airputih said:

Maybe asta the unborn child too? Something like actually the unborn child is unidentical twin and one of the twin is human like their mother while the other is elf like their father?? But isn't yuno haircolor different from both? :/

Yuno is a human and in past you can assume as unborn baby he was half elf half human. So basically while being a human in this life he inherited the qualities of Elvs like high mana and reincarnation magic just simply opened up gold mine of mana for Yuno. For Asta, definitely there's some stories behind it but him being twin or something like that is not possible, imo. Reason is if he was then the reincarnation magic might also worked on him. That Church old man found both of them at the same time if I'm not mistaken. Why at the same time? There's a mystery behind that as well. And if any reincarnation or whatsoever is related with Asta then it has to be linked with after when Litch gained 5 leaf, summoned the ancient demon god and all. Maybe he is reincarnation of the demon god. Who knows?

it's pretty much 90% confirmed that asta is really nobody... he doesn't get reincarnated, he doesn't have any magic... yuno is reincarnation of an unborn child, so the looks possibly like current yuno... the whole found at the same time is more likely about rivalry rather than become plot... also licht is 4 clover, not 5... something must have happened to the grimore after licht fought emperor sorcerer... witch queen also said the previous black clover grimore holder is always fail because their mana clash with grimore, so that grimore still a mystery.... and again, i already pointing out something is not match up in the flashback... the demon skull is in clover kingdom territory and human around villiage has legends that sorcerer emperor fight againts demons attack to human... so who invide who? what is asta grimore really is? i hope tabata can give satisfying answer....

KumaApr 20, 2018 7:53 AM

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Apr 20, 2018 8:00 AM

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Nice. So not everyone is completely taken over by the elves. That's at least a start.

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Apr 20, 2018 8:07 AM

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Kuma said:
yuno overcome reincarnation magic, rather than Asta try to convince him.. power of promise! this series is such a blast!

Airputih said:

Maybe asta the unborn child too? Something like actually the unborn child is unidentical twin and one of the twin is human like their mother while the other is elf like their father?? But isn't yuno haircolor different from both? :/

draco11 said:

Yuno is a human and in past you can assume as unborn baby he was half elf half human. So basically while being a human in this life he inherited the qualities of Elvs like high mana and reincarnation magic just simply opened up gold mine of mana for Yuno. For Asta, definitely there's some stories behind it but him being twin or something like that is not possible, imo. Reason is if he was then the reincarnation magic might also worked on him. That Church old man found both of them at the same time if I'm not mistaken. Why at the same time? There's a mystery behind that as well. And if any reincarnation or whatsoever is related with Asta then it has to be linked with after when Litch gained 5 leaf, summoned the ancient demon god and all. Maybe he is reincarnation of the demon god. Who knows?

it's pretty much 90% confirmed that asta is really nobody... he doesn't get reincarnated, he doesn't have any magic... yuno is reincarnation of an unborn child, so the looks possibly like current yuno... the whole found at the same time is more likely about rivalry rather than become plot... also licht is 4 clover, not 5... something must have happened after licht fought emperoro sorcerer... and again, i already pointing out something is not match up in the flashback... the demon skull is in clover kingdom territory and human around villiage has legends that sorcerer emperor fight againts demons attack to human... so who invide who? i hope atabata can give satisfyig answer....

"also licht is 4 clover, not 5"
Man I don't know what you are trying to refer but just to clarify, in chapter 152 it was confirmed that Litch is the previous user of 5 Leaf Clover. Based on my assumption his 4 leaf turned to 5 leaf. How it happened is still a mystery. And I can't understand properly what you are trying to say. Seems like you just repeated the words we knew from the very first chapter.
"so who invide who?" If you are referring to who conjured the ancient demon god, it was Litch which was confirmed in the Witch's forest arc.

Apr 20, 2018 8:18 AM

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draco11 said:

Kuma said:
yuno overcome reincarnation magic, rather than Asta try to convince him.. power of promise! this series is such a blast!

it's pretty much 90% confirmed that asta is really nobody... he doesn't get reincarnated, he doesn't have any magic... yuno is reincarnation of an unborn child, so the looks possibly like current yuno... the whole found at the same time is more likely about rivalry rather than become plot... also licht is 4 clover, not 5... something must have happened after licht fought emperoro sorcerer... and again, i already pointing out something is not match up in the flashback... the demon skull is in clover kingdom territory and human around villiage has legends that sorcerer emperor fight againts demons attack to human... so who invide who? i hope atabata can give satisfyig answer....

"also licht is 4 clover, not 5"
Man I don't know what you are trying to refer but just to clarify, in chapter 152 it was confirmed that Litch is the previous user of 5 Leaf Clover. Based on my assumption his 4 leaf turned to 5 leaf. How it happened is still a mystery. And I can't understand properly what you are trying to say. Seems like you just repeated the words we knew from the very first chapter.
"so who invide who?" If you are referring to who conjured the ancient demon god, it was Litch which was confirmed in the Witch's forest arc.

he does previous user of the grimore, but the grimore he hold is 4 leaf, not 5... to the very end of flashback, his book is not painted black IIRC... so the turn og 4 leaf grimore to 5 leaf is happening at very least after fake licht dies which already near end of the war... it might even complitely different story after it... there is no sight of demon in the flashback... and fake licht said that licht use the rest of his power to do reincarantion magic and it still unfinished, not to summon demon... the kabbalah tablet is used to continue reincarantion magic, not to summon demon...

it's not confirmed the person withc queen refer is same as licht, but it's become contradict with fake licht flashback and reality that licht is previous asta grimore holder... if witch queen know licht and his story, she should know clover kingdom is not a good kingdom, but i don't see she againts clover kingdom itself....

in the first chapter, it was demon who invade human teritory, but in the fake licht flashback, it was sorcerer emperor who invade elf teritory... so clearly, something doesn't adjust there...

again, i don't refuse your idead, i simply saying that it still unclear and i hope tabata sensei can give satisfaying answer...

KumaApr 20, 2018 8:24 AM

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Apr 20, 2018 8:21 AM

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Kuma said:
yuno overcome reincarnation magic, rather than Asta try to convince him.. power of promise! this series is such a blast!

Airputih said:

Maybe asta the unborn child too? Something like actually the unborn child is unidentical twin and one of the twin is human like their mother while the other is elf like their father?? But isn't yuno haircolor different from both? :/

draco11 said:

Yuno is a human and in past you can assume as unborn baby he was half elf half human. So basically while being a human in this life he inherited the qualities of Elvs like high mana and reincarnation magic just simply opened up gold mine of mana for Yuno. For Asta, definitely there's some stories behind it but him being twin or something like that is not possible, imo. Reason is if he was then the reincarnation magic might also worked on him. That Church old man found both of them at the same time if I'm not mistaken. Why at the same time? There's a mystery behind that as well. And if any reincarnation or whatsoever is related with Asta then it has to be linked with after when Litch gained 5 leaf, summoned the ancient demon god and all. Maybe he is reincarnation of the demon god. Who knows?

it's pretty much 90% confirmed that asta is really nobody... he doesn't get reincarnated, he doesn't have any magic... yuno is reincarnation of an unborn child, so the looks possibly like current yuno... the whole found at the same time is more likely about rivalry rather than become plot... also licht is 4 clover, not 5... something must have happened to the grimore after licht fought emperor sorcerer... witch queen also said the previous black clover grimore holder is always fail because their mana clash with grimore, so that grimore still a mystery.... and again, i already pointing out something is not match up in the flashback... the demon skull is in clover kingdom territory and human around villiage has legends that sorcerer emperor fight againts demons attack to human... so who invide who? what is asta grimore really is? i hope tabata can give satisfying answer....

Since you edited your comment, Witch never said something regarding "previous black clover holders". She just mentioned that the previous Owner of Black Clover is the leader of Elf tribe and chapter 152 confirmed it was Litch. There were no 5 leaf clover user other than Litch and Asta based on the information we got so far. Assuming Litch's 4 leaf turned into 5 leaf and in the foreshadowing we saw him wielding 2 magic swords from Black Clover. So it's safe to assume he lost his mana somehow for good. As a whole it literally confirms this grimoire chooses those who born without any mana or Asta being chosen by the 5 leaf has more reasons behind which are yet to come.

Apr 20, 2018 8:33 AM

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Yuno overcoming the elfness with asta's words.
It might be that he had the baby elf take him over or he already had elf blood in him, something to do with his birth which we don't know about.

Apr 20, 2018 8:35 AM

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Kuma said:

draco11 said:

Kuma said:
yuno overcome reincarnation magic, rather than Asta try to convince him.. power of promise! this series is such a blast!

Airputih said:

draco11 said:
Ow and Yuno not turning into evil or like others also makes sense now. Assuming he is the unborn child of Litch, then like all the Elvs he also reincarnated as human around a common period of time. Now, for other Elves they just simply remembers about their past experience, incidents and all after using the reincarnation magic on them. But for Yuno, he didn't turn out like others because he has no memories of his past life and everything for him started completely new and fresh.

Maybe asta the unborn child too? Something like actually the unborn child is unidentical twin and one of the twin is human like their mother while the other is elf like their father?? But isn't yuno haircolor different from both? :/

draco11 said:

Airputih said:

draco11 said:
Ow and Yuno not turning into evil or like others also makes sense now. Assuming he is the unborn child of Litch, then like all the Elvs he also reincarnated as human around a common period of time. Now, for other Elves they just simply remembers about their past experience, incidents and all after using the reincarnation magic on them. But for Yuno, he didn't turn out like others because he has no memories of his past life and everything for him started completely new and fresh.

Maybe asta the unborn child too? Something like actually the unborn child is unidentical twin and one of the twin is human like their mother while the other is elf like their father?? But isn't yuno haircolor different from both? :/

Yuno is a human and in past you can assume as unborn baby he was half elf half human. So basically while being a human in this life he inherited the qualities of Elvs like high mana and reincarnation magic just simply opened up gold mine of mana for Yuno. For Asta, definitely there's some stories behind it but him being twin or something like that is not possible, imo. Reason is if he was then the reincarnation magic might also worked on him. That Church old man found both of them at the same time if I'm not mistaken. Why at the same time? There's a mystery behind that as well. And if any reincarnation or whatsoever is related with Asta then it has to be linked with after when Litch gained 5 leaf, summoned the ancient demon god and all. Maybe he is reincarnation of the demon god. Who knows?

it's pretty much 90% confirmed that asta is really nobody... he doesn't get reincarnated, he doesn't have any magic... yuno is reincarnation of an unborn child, so the looks possibly like current yuno... the whole found at the same time is more likely about rivalry rather than become plot... also licht is 4 clover, not 5... something must have happened after licht fought emperoro sorcerer... and again, i already pointing out something is not match up in the flashback... the demon skull is in clover kingdom territory and human around villiage has legends that sorcerer emperor fight againts demons attack to human... so who invide who? i hope atabata can give satisfyig answer....

"also licht is 4 clover, not 5"
Man I don't know what you are trying to refer but just to clarify, in chapter 152 it was confirmed that Litch is the previous user of 5 Leaf Clover. Based on my assumption his 4 leaf turned to 5 leaf. How it happened is still a mystery. And I can't understand properly what you are trying to say. Seems like you just repeated the words we knew from the very first chapter.
"so who invide who?" If you are referring to who conjured the ancient demon god, it was Litch which was confirmed in the Witch's forest arc.

he does previous user of the grimore, but the grimore he hold is 4 leaf, not 5... to the very end of flashback, his book is not painted black IIRC... so the turn is happening after fake licht dies which already near end of the war... there is no sight of demon in the flashback... and fake licht said that licht use the rest of his power to do reincarantion magic, not to summon demon... the kabbalah tablet is used to do reincarantion magic, not to summon demon...

it's not confirmed the person withc queen refer is same as licht, but it's become contradict with fake licht flashback and reality that licht is previous asta grimore holder...

in the first chapter, it was demon who invade human teritory, but in the fake licht flashback, it was sorcerer emperor who invade elf teritory... so clearly, something doesn't adjust there...

again, i don't refuse your idead, i simply saying that it still unclear and i hope tabata sensei can give satisfaying answer...

Man, that flashback is not the only one. Connect all the flashbacks we have seen throughout the manga. You will be able to picture the entirety of that event. Recent flashback ends at the sight of everyone dying and Fake Litch/Petri waking up these are Fake Litch's memories and that is all he can remember and believes. He is not aware of whatever happened after his death. Of course we are yet to see real Litch's grimoire turning black or anything like that.

And it was confirmed the person, the leader of elf tribe which the Witch mentioned and it didn't contradict with Fake Litch's flashback.
> Witch mentioned BC originally belonged to the leader of Elf tribe
> Fake Litch mentioned it belongs to his master. This master was none but Litch himself.
> Liar in chapter 152 clearly mentioned Black Clover originally belongs to Litch

That's it. No matter how much confusion you try to create within you or how much confusing the matter is, the answer is now clear as water.

draco11Apr 20, 2018 8:40 AM

Apr 20, 2018 8:44 AM

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draco11 said:

Kuma said:

draco11 said:

Kuma said:
yuno overcome reincarnation magic, rather than Asta try to convince him.. power of promise! this series is such a blast!

Airputih said:

draco11 said:
Ow and Yuno not turning into evil or like others also makes sense now. Assuming he is the unborn child of Litch, then like all the Elvs he also reincarnated as human around a common period of time. Now, for other Elves they just simply remembers about their past experience, incidents and all after using the reincarnation magic on them. But for Yuno, he didn't turn out like others because he has no memories of his past life and everything for him started completely new and fresh.

Maybe asta the unborn child too? Something like actually the unborn child is unidentical twin and one of the twin is human like their mother while the other is elf like their father?? But isn't yuno haircolor different from both? :/

draco11 said:

Airputih said:

draco11 said:
Ow and Yuno not turning into evil or like others also makes sense now. Assuming he is the unborn child of Litch, then like all the Elvs he also reincarnated as human around a common period of time. Now, for other Elves they just simply remembers about their past experience, incidents and all after using the reincarnation magic on them. But for Yuno, he didn't turn out like others because he has no memories of his past life and everything for him started completely new and fresh.

Maybe asta the unborn child too? Something like actually the unborn child is unidentical twin and one of the twin is human like their mother while the other is elf like their father?? But isn't yuno haircolor different from both? :/

Yuno is a human and in past you can assume as unborn baby he was half elf half human. So basically while being a human in this life he inherited the qualities of Elvs like high mana and reincarnation magic just simply opened up gold mine of mana for Yuno. For Asta, definitely there's some stories behind it but him being twin or something like that is not possible, imo. Reason is if he was then the reincarnation magic might also worked on him. That Church old man found both of them at the same time if I'm not mistaken. Why at the same time? There's a mystery behind that as well. And if any reincarnation or whatsoever is related with Asta then it has to be linked with after when Litch gained 5 leaf, summoned the ancient demon god and all. Maybe he is reincarnation of the demon god. Who knows?

it's pretty much 90% confirmed that asta is really nobody... he doesn't get reincarnated, he doesn't have any magic... yuno is reincarnation of an unborn child, so the looks possibly like current yuno... the whole found at the same time is more likely about rivalry rather than become plot... also licht is 4 clover, not 5... something must have happened after licht fought emperoro sorcerer... and again, i already pointing out something is not match up in the flashback... the demon skull is in clover kingdom territory and human around villiage has legends that sorcerer emperor fight againts demons attack to human... so who invide who? i hope atabata can give satisfyig answer....

"also licht is 4 clover, not 5"
Man I don't know what you are trying to refer but just to clarify, in chapter 152 it was confirmed that Litch is the previous user of 5 Leaf Clover. Based on my assumption his 4 leaf turned to 5 leaf. How it happened is still a mystery. And I can't understand properly what you are trying to say. Seems like you just repeated the words we knew from the very first chapter.
"so who invide who?" If you are referring to who conjured the ancient demon god, it was Litch which was confirmed in the Witch's forest arc.

he does previous user of the grimore, but the grimore he hold is 4 leaf, not 5... to the very end of flashback, his book is not painted black IIRC... so the turn is happening after fake licht dies which already near end of the war... there is no sight of demon in the flashback... and fake licht said that licht use the rest of his power to do reincarantion magic, not to summon demon... the kabbalah tablet is used to do reincarantion magic, not to summon demon...

it's not confirmed the person withc queen refer is same as licht, but it's become contradict with fake licht flashback and reality that licht is previous asta grimore holder...

in the first chapter, it was demon who invade human teritory, but in the fake licht flashback, it was sorcerer emperor who invade elf teritory... so clearly, something doesn't adjust there...

again, i don't refuse your idead, i simply saying that it still unclear and i hope tabata sensei can give satisfaying answer...

Man, that flashback is not the only one. Connect all the flashbacks we have seen throughout the manga. You will be able to picture the entirety of that event. Recent flashback ends at the sight of everyone dying and Fake Litch/Petri waking up these are Fake Litch's memories and that is all he can remember. He is not aware of whatever happened after his death. Of course we are yet to see real Litch's grimoire turning black or anything like that.

And it is confirmed the person, the leader of elf tribe which the Witch mentioned and it didn't contradict with Fake Litch's flashback.
> Witch mentioned BC originally belonged to the leader of Elf tribe
> Fake Litch mentioned it belongs to his master. This master was none but Litch himself.
> Liar in chapter 152 clearly mentioned Black Clover originally belongs to Litch

That's it. No matter how much confusion you try to create within you or how much confusing the matter is, the answer is now clear as water.

witch only said it resemble from someone she know, thats all she said IIRC...

both fake licht and liar refer is the grimore, not asta, not demon inside the sword (which possibly the source of 5 clover), not nullification power... liar and fake licht wouldn't face problem againts asta if asta power is exactly like licht... however licht magic is sword creation, not magic nullification... compliely different than current grimore power... and looks like both fake licht and liar complitely unaware of this...

"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on."

Apr 20, 2018 8:49 AM

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Kuma said:

draco11 said:

Kuma said:
yuno overcome reincarnation magic, rather than Asta try to convince him.. power of promise! this series is such a blast!

Airputih said:

draco11 said:
Ow and Yuno not turning into evil or like others also makes sense now. Assuming he is the unborn child of Litch, then like all the Elvs he also reincarnated as human around a common period of time. Now, for other Elves they just simply remembers about their past experience, incidents and all after using the reincarnation magic on them. But for Yuno, he didn't turn out like others because he has no memories of his past life and everything for him started completely new and fresh.

Maybe asta the unborn child too? Something like actually the unborn child is unidentical twin and one of the twin is human like their mother while the other is elf like their father?? But isn't yuno haircolor different from both? :/

draco11 said:

Airputih said:

draco11 said:
Ow and Yuno not turning into evil or like others also makes sense now. Assuming he is the unborn child of Litch, then like all the Elvs he also reincarnated as human around a common period of time. Now, for other Elves they just simply remembers about their past experience, incidents and all after using the reincarnation magic on them. But for Yuno, he didn't turn out like others because he has no memories of his past life and everything for him started completely new and fresh.

Maybe asta the unborn child too? Something like actually the unborn child is unidentical twin and one of the twin is human like their mother while the other is elf like their father?? But isn't yuno haircolor different from both? :/

Yuno is a human and in past you can assume as unborn baby he was half elf half human. So basically while being a human in this life he inherited the qualities of Elvs like high mana and reincarnation magic just simply opened up gold mine of mana for Yuno. For Asta, definitely there's some stories behind it but him being twin or something like that is not possible, imo. Reason is if he was then the reincarnation magic might also worked on him. That Church old man found both of them at the same time if I'm not mistaken. Why at the same time? There's a mystery behind that as well. And if any reincarnation or whatsoever is related with Asta then it has to be linked with after when Litch gained 5 leaf, summoned the ancient demon god and all. Maybe he is reincarnation of the demon god. Who knows?

it's pretty much 90% confirmed that asta is really nobody... he doesn't get reincarnated, he doesn't have any magic... yuno is reincarnation of an unborn child, so the looks possibly like current yuno... the whole found at the same time is more likely about rivalry rather than become plot... also licht is 4 clover, not 5... something must have happened after licht fought emperoro sorcerer... and again, i already pointing out something is not match up in the flashback... the demon skull is in clover kingdom territory and human around villiage has legends that sorcerer emperor fight againts demons attack to human... so who invide who? i hope atabata can give satisfyig answer....

"also licht is 4 clover, not 5"
Man I don't know what you are trying to refer but just to clarify, in chapter 152 it was confirmed that Litch is the previous user of 5 Leaf Clover. Based on my assumption his 4 leaf turned to 5 leaf. How it happened is still a mystery. And I can't understand properly what you are trying to say. Seems like you just repeated the words we knew from the very first chapter.
"so who invide who?" If you are referring to who conjured the ancient demon god, it was Litch which was confirmed in the Witch's forest arc.

he does previous user of the grimore, but the grimore he hold is 4 leaf, not 5... to the very end of flashback, his book is not painted black IIRC... so the turn og 4 leaf grimore to 5 leaf is happening at very least after fake licht dies which already near end of the war... it might even complitely different story after it... there is no sight of demon in the flashback... and fake licht said that licht use the rest of his power to do reincarantion magic and it still unfinished, not to summon demon... the kabbalah tablet is used to continue reincarantion magic, not to summon demon...

it's not confirmed the person withc queen refer is same as licht, but it's become contradict with fake licht flashback and reality that licht is previous asta grimore holder... if witch queen know licht and his story, she should know clover kingdom is not a good kingdom, but i don't see she againts clover kingdom itself....

in the first chapter, it was demon who invade human teritory, but in the fake licht flashback, it was sorcerer emperor who invade elf teritory... so clearly, something doesn't adjust there...

again, i don't refuse your idead, i simply saying that it still unclear and i hope tabata sensei can give satisfaying answer...

Yes in first chapter the demon god attacked Clover. But that happened after the event of the eradication of Elvs. Point to be mentioned he wasn't emperor back when Litch married Tetia. It looks like the first emperor is the one attacked first but there's still a mystery behind it why. Don't know how much time it took for Litch to counter attack but he conjured the demon god through forbidden spell and at that time the prince became the first magic emperor and fought against it. I'm not getting what doesn't adjust when everything is clear enough.

I get what you are trying say but few things are just clear and implied in the manga and you need to realize it. Tabata will show it once the time is right.

Apr 20, 2018 8:57 AM

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draco11 said:

Kuma said:

draco11 said:

Kuma said:
yuno overcome reincarnation magic, rather than Asta try to convince him.. power of promise! this series is such a blast!

Airputih said:

draco11 said:
Ow and Yuno not turning into evil or like others also makes sense now. Assuming he is the unborn child of Litch, then like all the Elvs he also reincarnated as human around a common period of time. Now, for other Elves they just simply remembers about their past experience, incidents and all after using the reincarnation magic on them. But for Yuno, he didn't turn out like others because he has no memories of his past life and everything for him started completely new and fresh.

Maybe asta the unborn child too? Something like actually the unborn child is unidentical twin and one of the twin is human like their mother while the other is elf like their father?? But isn't yuno haircolor different from both? :/

draco11 said:

Airputih said:

draco11 said:
Ow and Yuno not turning into evil or like others also makes sense now. Assuming he is the unborn child of Litch, then like all the Elvs he also reincarnated as human around a common period of time. Now, for other Elves they just simply remembers about their past experience, incidents and all after using the reincarnation magic on them. But for Yuno, he didn't turn out like others because he has no memories of his past life and everything for him started completely new and fresh.

Maybe asta the unborn child too? Something like actually the unborn child is unidentical twin and one of the twin is human like their mother while the other is elf like their father?? But isn't yuno haircolor different from both? :/

Yuno is a human and in past you can assume as unborn baby he was half elf half human. So basically while being a human in this life he inherited the qualities of Elvs like high mana and reincarnation magic just simply opened up gold mine of mana for Yuno. For Asta, definitely there's some stories behind it but him being twin or something like that is not possible, imo. Reason is if he was then the reincarnation magic might also worked on him. That Church old man found both of them at the same time if I'm not mistaken. Why at the same time? There's a mystery behind that as well. And if any reincarnation or whatsoever is related with Asta then it has to be linked with after when Litch gained 5 leaf, summoned the ancient demon god and all. Maybe he is reincarnation of the demon god. Who knows?

it's pretty much 90% confirmed that asta is really nobody... he doesn't get reincarnated, he doesn't have any magic... yuno is reincarnation of an unborn child, so the looks possibly like current yuno... the whole found at the same time is more likely about rivalry rather than become plot... also licht is 4 clover, not 5... something must have happened after licht fought emperoro sorcerer... and again, i already pointing out something is not match up in the flashback... the demon skull is in clover kingdom territory and human around villiage has legends that sorcerer emperor fight againts demons attack to human... so who invide who? i hope atabata can give satisfyig answer....

"also licht is 4 clover, not 5"
Man I don't know what you are trying to refer but just to clarify, in chapter 152 it was confirmed that Litch is the previous user of 5 Leaf Clover. Based on my assumption his 4 leaf turned to 5 leaf. How it happened is still a mystery. And I can't understand properly what you are trying to say. Seems like you just repeated the words we knew from the very first chapter.
"so who invide who?" If you are referring to who conjured the ancient demon god, it was Litch which was confirmed in the Witch's forest arc.

he does previous user of the grimore, but the grimore he hold is 4 leaf, not 5... to the very end of flashback, his book is not painted black IIRC... so the turn og 4 leaf grimore to 5 leaf is happening at very least after fake licht dies which already near end of the war... it might even complitely different story after it... there is no sight of demon in the flashback... and fake licht said that licht use the rest of his power to do reincarantion magic and it still unfinished, not to summon demon... the kabbalah tablet is used to continue reincarantion magic, not to summon demon...

it's not confirmed the person withc queen refer is same as licht, but it's become contradict with fake licht flashback and reality that licht is previous asta grimore holder... if witch queen know licht and his story, she should know clover kingdom is not a good kingdom, but i don't see she againts clover kingdom itself....

in the first chapter, it was demon who invade human teritory, but in the fake licht flashback, it was sorcerer emperor who invade elf teritory... so clearly, something doesn't adjust there...

again, i don't refuse your idead, i simply saying that it still unclear and i hope tabata sensei can give satisfaying answer...

Yes in first chapter the demon god attacked Clover. But that happened after the event of the eradication of Elvs. Point to be mentioned he wasn't emperor back when Litch married Tetia. It looks like the first emperor is the one attacked first but there's still a mystery behind it why. Don't know how much time it took for Litch to counter attack but he conjured the demon god through forbidden spell and at that time the prince became the first magic emperor and fought against it. I'm not getting what doesn't adjust when everything is clear enough.

I get what you are trying say but few things are just clear and implied in the manga and you need to realize it. Tabata will show it once the time is right.

so licht unfinished to do reincarantion magic but succes doing demon summoning magic? aren't elf complitely annihilated?

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Apr 20, 2018 8:59 AM

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Kuma said:

draco11 said:

Kuma said:

draco11 said:

Kuma said:
yuno overcome reincarnation magic, rather than Asta try to convince him.. power of promise! this series is such a blast!

Airputih said:

draco11 said:
Ow and Yuno not turning into evil or like others also makes sense now. Assuming he is the unborn child of Litch, then like all the Elvs he also reincarnated as human around a common period of time. Now, for other Elves they just simply remembers about their past experience, incidents and all after using the reincarnation magic on them. But for Yuno, he didn't turn out like others because he has no memories of his past life and everything for him started completely new and fresh.

Maybe asta the unborn child too? Something like actually the unborn child is unidentical twin and one of the twin is human like their mother while the other is elf like their father?? But isn't yuno haircolor different from both? :/

draco11 said:

Airputih said:

draco11 said:
Ow and Yuno not turning into evil or like others also makes sense now. Assuming he is the unborn child of Litch, then like all the Elvs he also reincarnated as human around a common period of time. Now, for other Elves they just simply remembers about their past experience, incidents and all after using the reincarnation magic on them. But for Yuno, he didn't turn out like others because he has no memories of his past life and everything for him started completely new and fresh.

Maybe asta the unborn child too? Something like actually the unborn child is unidentical twin and one of the twin is human like their mother while the other is elf like their father?? But isn't yuno haircolor different from both? :/

Yuno is a human and in past you can assume as unborn baby he was half elf half human. So basically while being a human in this life he inherited the qualities of Elvs like high mana and reincarnation magic just simply opened up gold mine of mana for Yuno. For Asta, definitely there's some stories behind it but him being twin or something like that is not possible, imo. Reason is if he was then the reincarnation magic might also worked on him. That Church old man found both of them at the same time if I'm not mistaken. Why at the same time? There's a mystery behind that as well. And if any reincarnation or whatsoever is related with Asta then it has to be linked with after when Litch gained 5 leaf, summoned the ancient demon god and all. Maybe he is reincarnation of the demon god. Who knows?

it's pretty much 90% confirmed that asta is really nobody... he doesn't get reincarnated, he doesn't have any magic... yuno is reincarnation of an unborn child, so the looks possibly like current yuno... the whole found at the same time is more likely about rivalry rather than become plot... also licht is 4 clover, not 5... something must have happened after licht fought emperoro sorcerer... and again, i already pointing out something is not match up in the flashback... the demon skull is in clover kingdom territory and human around villiage has legends that sorcerer emperor fight againts demons attack to human... so who invide who? i hope atabata can give satisfyig answer....

"also licht is 4 clover, not 5"
Man I don't know what you are trying to refer but just to clarify, in chapter 152 it was confirmed that Litch is the previous user of 5 Leaf Clover. Based on my assumption his 4 leaf turned to 5 leaf. How it happened is still a mystery. And I can't understand properly what you are trying to say. Seems like you just repeated the words we knew from the very first chapter.
"so who invide who?" If you are referring to who conjured the ancient demon god, it was Litch which was confirmed in the Witch's forest arc.

he does previous user of the grimore, but the grimore he hold is 4 leaf, not 5... to the very end of flashback, his book is not painted black IIRC... so the turn og 4 leaf grimore to 5 leaf is happening at very least after fake licht dies which already near end of the war... it might even complitely different story after it... there is no sight of demon in the flashback... and fake licht said that licht use the rest of his power to do reincarantion magic and it still unfinished, not to summon demon... the kabbalah tablet is used to continue reincarantion magic, not to summon demon...

it's not confirmed the person withc queen refer is same as licht, but it's become contradict with fake licht flashback and reality that licht is previous asta grimore holder... if witch queen know licht and his story, she should know clover kingdom is not a good kingdom, but i don't see she againts clover kingdom itself....

in the first chapter, it was demon who invade human teritory, but in the fake licht flashback, it was sorcerer emperor who invade elf teritory... so clearly, something doesn't adjust there...

again, i don't refuse your idead, i simply saying that it still unclear and i hope tabata sensei can give satisfaying answer...

Yes in first chapter the demon god attacked Clover. But that happened after the event of the eradication of Elvs. Point to be mentioned he wasn't emperor back when Litch married Tetia. It looks like the first emperor is the one attacked first but there's still a mystery behind it why. Don't know how much time it took for Litch to counter attack but he conjured the demon god through forbidden spell and at that time the prince became the first magic emperor and fought against it. I'm not getting what doesn't adjust when everything is clear enough.

I get what you are trying say but few things are just clear and implied in the manga and you need to realize it. Tabata will show it once the time is right.

so licht unfinished to do reincarantion magic but succes doing demon summoning magic?

No the reincarnation magic was complete and I guess it has something to do with the demon summoning as well.

Apr 20, 2018 9:10 AM

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