| If you were a male and your ideal partner fits gender roles like: Making sandwiches, being the caretaker, being good at pleasing you, being the less dominant/following your orders, doing housework etc If you were female and your ideal partner fits gender roles like: Being masculine, doing all the labour, being chivalrous (aka a romeo fantasy) having high-performing athletic skills, having muscles, taking charge/protective, tall etc Does having these ideals in a partner make you sexist? Discuss your opinions. :> |
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psycho said: Cooking is actually fun, everyone should be in the kitchen smh.fUcK StErEoTyPeS mALeS ShOuLd Be In ThE KiTcHeN |
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Swagernator said: Is there something wrong with attack helicopters? It's 2017 can't we learn to accept that maybe attack helicopter is a real gender? ;n;I just don't want more attack helicopters. |
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Wish-ly said: Is there something wrong with attack helicopters? It's 2017 can't we learn to accept that maybe attack helicopter is a real gender? ;n; Yeah... if i get dollar for every gender i could, well i may be actually be broke cuz two dollars are not too much... |
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| Man sexist this sexist that. So what if its sexist? |
Swagernator said: Get 2 dollars worth of bitcoin and invest that shit yoYeah... if i get dollar for every gender i could, well i may be actually be broke cuz two dollars are not too much... Klad said: Could you elaborate a little, do you think sexism is okay?Man sexist this sexist that. So what if its sexist? |
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| Why would having preferences be sexist? That's like saying having a white boyfriend / girlfriend makes you a racist. |
Swagernator said: @NoLiferSoul did nothing wrong! Ardanaz said: @Nolifersoul did nothing wrong |
NoLiferSoul said: Couldn't someone say that could be identified as internalised racism? That ideals foisted upon us by a racist society therefore structure our ideals??Why would preferences be sexist? That's like saying having a white boyfriend / girlfriend makes you a racist. So if a sexist society imposes the ideals of our partners through our culture, then we could have an indoctrinated sense of sexism. Agree, disagree? |
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| No, it only starts being sexist is if that is what you think it should be for everyone. |
Wish-ly said: NoLiferSoul said: Couldn't someone say that could be identified as internalised racism? That ideals foisted upon us by a racist society therefore structure our ideals??Why would preferences be sexist? That's like saying having a white boyfriend / girlfriend makes you a racist. So if a sexist society imposes the ideals of our partners through our culture, then we could have an indoctrinated sense of sexism. Agree, disagree? Definition of racism via oxford: Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. You don't feel like your own race is superior because you have preferences. You could also have preferences in the height of the person. Does that make you a heightist? EDIT: I've derailed a bit from the main topic. I don't think it's sexist as long as it's just your preference and you don't force it onto others. |
NoLiferSoulAug 6, 2017 5:11 AM
Swagernator said: @NoLiferSoul did nothing wrong! Ardanaz said: @Nolifersoul did nothing wrong |
| On one hand they don't HAVE to make a sandwhich, but on the other if they can't even perform such a simple act of affection and caring as preparing a snack or fetching a beer from the fridge, then maybe they just have some issues I rather not deal with. |
mecharobot said: lol best post everOn one hand they don't HAVE to make a sandwhich, but on the other if they can't even perform such a simple act of affection and caring as preparing a snack or fetching a beer from the fridge, then maybe they just have some issues I rather not deal with. pretty much sums it up |
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| If wanting a strong, dependable man who kills spiders and carries the heavy stuff is sexist, then I'll gladly be sexist. Just please, kill the spiders and carry the heavy stuff. |
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| I want a girl that can bench press me with her dick |
Wish-ly said: From what ive seen people have been using this word in almost every topic, so I dont care if anything is sexist or not anymore. Swagernator said: Get 2 dollars worth of bitcoin and invest that shit yoYeah... if i get dollar for every gender i could, well i may be actually be broke cuz two dollars are not too much... Klad said: Could you elaborate a little, do you think sexism is okay?Man sexist this sexist that. So what if its sexist? |
| No, only if it's just you preference. |
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| If you prefer someone who fit gender stereotypes, but don't think bad of people who don't do it nah, you're not sexist. |
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| i wouldn't want a progressive wife who whores herself out to other dudes and sits on the couch all day becoming fatter as each day passes so no but i am sexist lol |
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| No. Gender roles are bad if everyone is forced to conform to them an is not given the choice to live as they wish. Wanting to date someone who chooses to fit their gender stereotype is fine. The issue is in finding someone and saying "you're a man/woman so you need to do this even if you don't want to." |
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| No, its just your preferences. I prefer the opposite of youre as I kind of enjoy being a househusband but well, good luck finding girls of your preferences. |
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Seiya said: Technically, yes. Gender roles need to die, because people need to feel comfortable in their own skin, and realize that they don't need to do something just because it's considered "the norm." I will be gladly considered sexist if this is "feeling comfortable in their own skin" |
Seiya said: That is gross, but if that's what that person wants to look like, it's their choice. I'm as anti-feminist as a man can get, but I hate submissive housewives. Sorry to say but you are not that much anti-feminist like you think. |
Wish-ly said: If you were a male and your ideal partner fits gender roles like: Making sandwiches, being the caretaker, being good at pleasing you, being the less dominant/following your orders, doing housework etc  I dunno about you guys but I have no problem being sent into the kitchen and being princess carried into the bedroom for snu snu. I would love being a house husband and taking care of the kids. If its sexiest to want my idea partner to be a tall, strong and a beautiful woman. So be it!  |
AhegaoEgohaAug 6, 2017 12:54 PM
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| N̶n̶n̶o̶.̶ ̶T̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶h̶a̶s̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶h̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶d̶o̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶s̶e̶x̶i̶s̶m̶.̶.̶.̶ ̶ oh shit i just got bamboozled by the above post lol. Look that's not inherently sexist. It CAN be sexist, IF you've got something out for all women about it. Maybe you know personally that's what you like, fine. But you need to take care to understand not all women are going to be like that and it's very important to understand that. |
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xrockxz89 said: Nnno. That has nothing to do with sexism... I was poking fun at the topic because how the media talks about these subjects to such extreme levels. To the point where it makes fiction of situations and ignores real sexism and injustice women face abroad. Be it gender roles in relationships or actually having laws and religions forbidding women getting educations or doing certain things. Western media has a tendency to just cover what piss people off than actually talk about the issues and how to fix them. Sexism exists in parts and it doesn't in parts. Half of the world hasn't grown up yet and still needs to figure out that an equal society is more likely to survive in the long run and produce more talent to contribute to us as a whole. The more filters you have the lesser chance of finding something significant. |
AhegaoEgohaAug 6, 2017 1:05 PM
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AhegaoEgoha said: xrockxz89 said: Nnno. That has nothing to do with sexism... I was poking fun at the topic because how the media talks about these subjects to such extreme levels. To the point where it makes fiction of situations and ignores real sexism and injustice women face abroad. Western media has a tendency to just cover what piss people off than actually talk about the issues and how to fix them. Sexism exists in parts and it doesn't in parts. Half of the world hasn't grown up yet still need to figure out that an equal society is more likely to survive in the long run and produce more talent to contribute to us as a whole. Well I thought that OP was asking if the reverse stereotypes were sexist after reading your post lol. It wasn't as complex as I assumed xD Yeah, to be honest I don't watch enough news to know how issues of sexism are presented. I definitely think sexism still exists, though. |
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xrockxz89 said: Yeah, to be honest I don't watch enough news to know how issues of sexism are presented. I definitely think sexism still exists, though. Oh yeah it does exsist 100% But this topic is discussed to death in various communities, so I just like to have fun when the subject is brought up. I mean discussing something like this on a anime focused community is hilarious to me. Especially when you have shows doing stuff like this.  Like it or not anime has done some shit to us as a whole and have shifted our opinions on this subject which is why Chinese cartoon porn is so diverse as it is. I love me some dominant women in my fiction especially when they have muscles and very strong and confident. |
AhegaoEgohaAug 6, 2017 1:23 PM
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AhegaoEgoha said: xrockxz89 said: Yeah, to be honest I don't watch enough news to know how issues of sexism are presented. I definitely think sexism still exists, though. Oh yeah it does exsist 100% But this topic is discussed to death in various communities, so I just like to have fun when the subject is brought up. I mean discussing something like this on a anime focused community is hilarious to me. Especially when you have shows doing stuff like this. Yeah considering how anime is a total force to remove gender norms. But somehow sexists still flock to it ;D lol |
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Wish-ly said: NoLiferSoul said: Couldn't someone say that could be identified as internalised racism? That ideals foisted upon us by a racist society therefore structure our ideals??Why would preferences be sexist? That's like saying having a white boyfriend / girlfriend makes you a racist. So if a sexist society imposes the ideals of our partners through our culture, then we could have an indoctrinated sense of sexism. Agree, disagree? Disagree, or rather outright refute, because this is a thought-terminating cliché. A claim that has flaws that can only be refuted by the use of subjective evaluations (e.g. deciding what's "good" or "bad" for each gender without any real authority to do so), accusations of brainwashing or other forms of conditioning (e.g. internalized X-ism, etc.) and accusations of conspiracy (e.g. claiming that any action by a person that doesn't fit the X-ism claim is somehow or another doing it as a "dog whistle" and is actively pretending not to be an X-ist for the fear of social/criminal repercussions) has very low credibility. So my counterclaim to the OP: Forbidding people from conforming to the "gender stereotypes" is by itself oppressive. It's a totalitarian action to tell someone "I will actively prevent you from following gender stereotypes". On the other hand, there is, by itself, no harm in having "gender stereotypes" as a personal preference for a romantic partner. Of course it's a different story if someone wants to force that on someone, but the bad thing in that case isn't the fact that "gender stereotypes" is the preference, but instead it's the fact that someone wants to force someone else to do something against their own wishes, which would be oppressive in nature. But that applies to any other preference as well, so "gender sterotypes" has absolutely nothing to do with it. |
Grey-ZoneAug 6, 2017 1:33 PM
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| It's not sexist whatsoever to have morals and traditional views, I hold traditional views myself, I'd prefer my wife to be a caretaker, while I'm the worker. We all have our place in the world, men and women are complementary. Maneki-Mew said: I think it's kind of naive and shallow per se to have such ideals. It doesn't matter, if they refer to certain character traits or a race or hair color etc... Life isn't a fairytale, so you don't fall in love with your ideal idea of a partner, but with a real person. Of course, someone wants to see some basic traits in their partner (like being treated with kindness, loyality etc...), but the more details you add, the more unrealistic it gets. Extreme cases always remind me of little girls, who have seen too many Disney movies and then they never grew out of them. ^^" They are not shallow views, but pragmatic and respectable. You criticise people for having racial preferences, yet when you and women in general have appearance preferences, about whether people look good enough, that's pretty hypocritical. |
xrockxz89 said: AhegaoEgoha said: Oh yeah it does exsist 100% But this topic is discussed to death in various communities, so I just like to have fun when the subject is brought up. I mean discussing something like this on a anime focused community is hilarious to me. Especially when you have shows doing stuff like this. Yeah considering how anime is a total force to remove gender norms. But somehow sexists still flock to it ;D lol Gender norms are well represented in anime, it's called Ecchi. |
Maneki-Mew said: Nyu said: It's not sexist whatsoever to have morals and traditional views, I hold traditional views myself, I'd prefer my wife to be a caretaker, while I'm the worker. We all have our place in the world, men and women are complementary. They are not shallow views, but pragmatic and respectable. You criticise people for having racial preferences, yet when you and women in general have appearance preferences, about whether people look good enough, that's pretty hypocritical. It's not about the racial preferences alone. Everyone (not just we evil women(TM)) has preferences, but it's kind of childish to ask for a perfect partner and can't be flexible and forget about your preferences. "Hey, we really get along and I fall in love with you, but unfortunately, you aren't *preferenced race or something else*" is just dumb, because you get in your own way and manipulate your own, possible future with this person, if you ask me. ... and people from every race and with every hair color etc.. can be handsome. I mean not perfect, just... like-a-normal-person-good. So, I don't care either, if someone decides to make his own life difficult. It's not my problem, if they find a partner or not, you see. ^^" No one's asking for the perfect partner, just one who has the same mindset as yourself. It's a pretty basic thing, and if people just get together on the basis of love, then that easily explains the high divorce rates. Common ground, common views and interests are key to a relationship. |
Nyu said: xrockxz89 said: Yeah considering how anime is a total force to remove gender norms. But somehow sexists still flock to it ;D lol Gender norms are well represented in anime, it's called Ecchi. All aspects of the spectrum are represented. You're like a horse with blinders on if you think the anime genre is a friend of sexism. |
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xrockxz89 said: All aspects of the spectrum are represented. You're like a horse with blinders on if you think the anime genre is a friend of sexism. Who said anything about sexism? Gender norms have nothing to do with sexism, nor Ecchi. Also, most Ecchi represent the women in traditional gender norms. |
Nyu said: xrockxz89 said: All aspects of the spectrum are represented. You're like a horse with blinders on if you think the anime genre is a friend of sexism. Who said anything about sexism? Gender norms have nothing to do with sexism, nor Ecchi. Also, most Ecchi represent the women in traditional gender norms. Uhh, I'm not sure I'd call it 'traditional' dude. I think you're letting the anime go to your head a bit pal. Although there is something timeless about hot maids ;) |
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xrockxz89 said: Nyu said: Who said anything about sexism? Gender norms have nothing to do with sexism, nor Ecchi. Also, most Ecchi represent the women in traditional gender norms. Uhh, I'm not sure I'd call it 'traditional' dude. I think you're letting the anime go to your head a bit pal. Although there is something timeless about hot maids ;) Wait, I'm talking about Traditional gender norms, like women being the caretaker, and guys being the worker. These views have been pillars in Western society for centuries. Though, most prominent in wealthy countries. |
| no, wouldn't call it sexism, it's just your preference however if you would say that every woman/man should fit those requirements, that would be called sexism but you're good fam |
| It's called having a preference. Thats like saying its racist to want a partner that is the same race as you. People have all sorts of "requirements" for their significant others. Income, religion, height, weight, social status, car, house etc. I'd consider what you're talking about to simply be under "personality". |
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Usagi said: If wanting a strong, dependable man who kills spiders and carries the heavy stuff is sexist, then I'll gladly be sexist. Just please, kill the spiders and carry the heavy stuff. I second this. Please kill all the giant spiders for me. |
Wish-ly said: If you were female and your ideal partner fits gender roles like: having muscles Welp guess I'm sexist #sorrynotsorry |
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spuukiebuugi said: desperation said: i wouldn't want a progressive wife who whores herself out to other dudes and sits on the couch all day becoming fatter as each day passes so no but i am sexist lol it's cute that you think because we don't want to be in the kitchen (the only thing I'm good at is following packaged instructions) we're gonna be fat pigs also wanting some liberty from essentially just being around your partner all the time is called "having a social life that extends beyond your romantic relationship with your partner" which is completely normal, only jealous douchebag guys think their girl is a "whore" for having friends who are male even if they're only just that, friends. you honestly sound an awful lot like my friend's douchebag bf who got her debit card information and money stolen because his possessiveness extended over her so much alongside his lust for money that he'd purposely take her phone and card as if to assert his control over her, which is honestly disgusting. im not a dominant woman by any means but if my man stole my assets and got me into that level of deep shit, i would dump his ass immediately. "you honestly sound an awful lot like my friend's douchebag bf who got her debit card information and money stolen because his possessiveness extended over her so much alongside his lust for money that he'd purposely take her phone and card as if to assert his control over her, which is honestly disgusting. im not a dominant woman by any means but if my man stole my assets and got me into that level of deep shit, i would dump his ass immediately." That's pretty hypocritical, considering that's what all women do when they have a divorce, stealing all of the guy's assets. |
| That's not my fetish, but it's not much of anything unless you want everyone to fit into that role. |
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