D.Gray-man Chapter 225 Discussion

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Stark700 said:
What a beautiful way for Allen to return.

Indeed, the artwork is great as always. I'm hoping D Gray Man will be getting more chapters this year.

The word you're looking for is rushed not beautiful. All it takes is for magic Johnny sue to call his name and boom the great threat that was going to erase Allen forever is erased? Please.

Other than the johnny part the chapter was pretty solid.

Jul 14, 2017 10:16 PM

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haganedonciii said:
somebody pls kill Johnny, he's the most irritating person in the entire manga.... i HATE HIM, he only has the bullshit power of friendship yeah and rainbows and ponies... c'mon -_-

He should have died so many times it's not even funny

Jul 15, 2017 3:23 AM

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Finally a new chapter, i think i kinda understand what was happening. Not much to say other that Allen is back! And see you in a year =/

Jul 15, 2017 3:51 AM

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sevki said:
Nice art as always, but useless chapter in terms of story progression.

I mean, this comes after 6 long months, and this is what happens? Power of bonds, friendship, love, whatever it is, and then Allen comes back... Yeah great thanks... And Nea does not like Tyki, yep so important point...

These 34 pages could have been used to go to the mansion from the previous chapters for example? Idk I just want sth faster and more about the main plot.

*rolls eyes* you shouldnt expect every chapter to be story rich, besides how fast-paced and weird would it feel if that was the case? hoshinos pace is fine as it is, we are just unlucky that we get max 4 chapters per year, but thats enough for me. i like this pace and i wouldnt want hoshino to pace it up.

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Stark700 said:
What a beautiful way for Allen to return.

Indeed, the artwork is great as always. I'm hoping D Gray Man will be getting more chapters this year.

The word you're looking for is rushed not beautiful. All it takes is for magic Johnny sue to call his name and boom the great threat that was going to erase Allen forever is erased? Please.

Other than the johnny part the chapter was pretty solid.

i dont see anything wrong with that, allen wanted his body back and he got it back. nea fainted because allen took his body back, thats how it is

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i seriously dont get you guys, i mean we finally get a new chapter and you are complaining about the pace? the pace is fine, nothing is rushed and nothing is dragged out - hoshinos pace was always like that. if you re-read the chapters you will notice that. and i bet hoshino doesnt plan to keep this quarterly release either, but she wants her injury to get better and she also wants to keep drawing d gray man. at least be a bit happy that she doesnt go full hiatus until her injury is healed

ding dong ur wrong

Jul 15, 2017 3:57 AM

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eblin said:

sevki said:
Nice art as always, but useless chapter in terms of story progression.

I mean, this comes after 6 long months, and this is what happens? Power of bonds, friendship, love, whatever it is, and then Allen comes back... Yeah great thanks... And Nea does not like Tyki, yep so important point...

These 34 pages could have been used to go to the mansion from the previous chapters for example? Idk I just want sth faster and more about the main plot.

*rolls eyes* you shouldnt expect every chapter to be story rich, besides how fast-paced and weird would it feel if that was the case? hoshinos pace is fine as it is, we are just unlucky that we get max 4 chapters per year, but thats enough for me. i like this pace and i wouldnt want hoshino to pace it up.

Darklight0303 said:

The word you're looking for is rushed not beautiful. All it takes is for magic Johnny sue to call his name and boom the great threat that was going to erase Allen forever is erased? Please.

Other than the johnny part the chapter was pretty solid.

i dont see anything wrong with that, allen wanted his body back and he got it back. nea fainted because allen took his body back, thats how it is

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i seriously dont get you guys, i mean we finally get a new chapter and you are complaining about the pace? the pace is fine, nothing is rushed and nothing is dragged out - hoshinos pace was always like that. if you re-read the chapters you will notice that. and i bet hoshino doesnt plan to keep this quarterly release either, but she wants her injury to get better and she also wants to keep drawing d gray man. at least be a bit happy that she doesnt go full hiatus until her injury is healed

Oh cool you want something so you're supposed to get it? Wow that's so easy. Alright then all Allen needs to do is want the Earl to die of a heart attack and boom the war's over! Genius.

Neah is supposed to be a threat that is almost impossible to avoid and all it takes is some wimpy nerd calling Allen's name to push him back. If you don't see the pacing issue there then there is NO helping you.

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Jul 15, 2017 4:15 AM

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Well I agree with the pacing issue to some extend.
With the way Johnny all of a sudden being able to easily help Allen return it did feel kinda rushed/forced, but not too bad overall. People complain that nothing happened story-wise and then they complain that Allen returned to fast/easy...
Yeah Nea is a threat, but he is not gone and he will come back. I'm pretty sure Hoshino just wanted to end this encounter to move on to the next arc (which is what a lot of people here seem to want) so I don't mind that friendship power thing too much (It is a bit stupid tho, and Johnny being an annoying character anyway does not help it.)
So I don't think there is any reason to get too mad at the chapter or at people who are okay with the way things turned out

Jul 15, 2017 5:36 AM

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Darklight0303 said:

eblin said:

*rolls eyes* you shouldnt expect every chapter to be story rich, besides how fast-paced and weird would it feel if that was the case? hoshinos pace is fine as it is, we are just unlucky that we get max 4 chapters per year, but thats enough for me. i like this pace and i wouldnt want hoshino to pace it up.

i dont see anything wrong with that, allen wanted his body back and he got it back. nea fainted because allen took his body back, thats how it is

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i seriously dont get you guys, i mean we finally get a new chapter and you are complaining about the pace? the pace is fine, nothing is rushed and nothing is dragged out - hoshinos pace was always like that. if you re-read the chapters you will notice that. and i bet hoshino doesnt plan to keep this quarterly release either, but she wants her injury to get better and she also wants to keep drawing d gray man. at least be a bit happy that she doesnt go full hiatus until her injury is healed

Oh cool you want something so you're supposed to get it? Wow that's so easy. Alright then all Allen needs to do is want the Earl to die of a heart attack and boom the war's over! Genius.

Neah is supposed to be a threat that is almost impossible to avoid and all it takes is some wimpy nerd calling Allen's name to push him back. If you don't see the pacing issue there then there is NO helping you.

if you get so triggered by everything, why are you reading it then? im not trying to come off as mean, but every comment that is written by you is very passive-aggressive
there is no pacing issue, it was made clear since kanda and johnny searched for allen, that johnny is going to be an important character in this arc. allen loves his friends and would do everything to protect them.. and seeing someone who would do the same for him made him flustered, it were these precious words from johnny that helped him.. or more like, it helped allen because johnny kept his promise
yeah, nea is(/was supposed to be) a threat. but have you forgotten that nea used allens innocence? have you forgotten that when allen used his innocence, he got sleepy? i hope you didnt

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Jul 15, 2017 6:27 AM

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Holly crap, I was hoping for a new chapter. But wasn’t expecting a 30+ page and Allen final back! Almost out of nowhere, with power of friendship?... OK.

The biggest issue I have with this chapter is it really hasn’t used it large amount of pages to move the plot along. Cass and point. We still in that bloody ally way! We have years old questions. Allen learned he has a Noah in him and it’s his Fathers brother and questions if he truly loved him? Not only has it been not answered more question on top.

Allen is a lot older than he thinks, as he now ‘the 14th’ and offered his body to him. (Don’t misinterpreted yaoi fan girls.) Yet he’s in a body of a child or hasn’t aged at all. Can’t remember all the details, been a couple years.

A couple of chapter ago Allen stated he’s going to get himself some god damn answered, which I though was an indication for some explanations final. Then we got the 7 pages… Not even sure I can call it a chapter and here we get the odd line, “Spit up the food ate”? That left Tyki uneasily, so we can add that to the list.

Good to see Hoshino art hasn’t suffered by doing a large chapter with her hand injury.

I really hate to be overly negative as I really enjoyed it overall. But the release schedule and her health. I don’t feel they can avoid to take their sweet time with this.

I hope this is a sign of a solid time consistence and not the exception for D gray-man.

Oh yea, I thought of some more unanswered question: When Allen fight’s Krory and knocked out a skull lie thing appeared and upgrade his cursed eye. (That statement makes no scenes out of context.) Also the black moon dram world, that Allen and Lenalee seen. That fans at the time thought meant they were the hearts or something. And haven’t seen it since Allen near death and so Nea for the first time.

Did I miss any?

Yeah I remember something about Allen hasn't aged at all.
From what I remember, Cross Marian and Allen are acquainted with Nea. During an incident where Nea is dying, Allen offered his body to become the host for 14th Noah.
So this is my assumption. When Allen became the host, he lost all of his memories and for some unknown reason he turned into a child.
So yeah, he is much older than he looks.

Been waiting for so long for new updates T_T
I don't care long does it take to get new chapters released, as long as the author does not discontinue or drops the series, I'm happy to wait. ☺️

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Jul 15, 2017 6:46 AM

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Which pacing issues?

There are passing issues only for a quaterly release but mangas are not meant to be followed like that. They're meant to be followed by volumes.

Anyways, I'm particulary interested in the "having a meal with you if out of question Joyd, that reincarnated form of yours, I could laugh and spit the food I ate".

Any ideas about that anyone?

Regarding Allen getting back his body, you seem to ignore that the process of "noahfication" is a very slow process. Most Noah seem to not even go as far as being completely possessed by the memory (Actually apart Skin Bolic, the current noah appear to still have their human mindsets, only a bit twisted).
Their must be a way to control your memory, why can't it be "power of friendship"?

Remember that Allen's awakeneing was forced by the earl. It would have taken years without that. There is a reason the akumas and Noah keep harassing Allen. The goal is to make him snap and allow Nea to take over (which he did). But Before Allen's personality completely fade, there can be personality switches. Nea should come back as soon as Allen is emotionally and/or physically weakened and every time he shhould stay longer until he stays forever.

Unless of course, Allen finds a way to erase his presence... But at this point what happened is in the continuity of what happened before.

Beautiful art btw.

Jul 15, 2017 7:50 AM

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Holy Shit! This actually happened, great chapter overall.

Seeing 14th almost destroy himself with Crown Clown had me worried, Johnny managed to pull Allen out thankfully.

The art was great and while I remember most of the sequence of events that happened upto this point, I think my memory regarding the Noah/14th backstory that was in the most recent chapters is pretty vague. I'll probably have to reread this but given that the chapters come out so slowly, I'll probably wait till later to reread the parts post the Hallow(anime) events.

Jul 15, 2017 8:19 AM

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Allen is baaaaack!! <33
he looks so badass omg

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Jul 15, 2017 8:21 AM

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Nothing useful to the plot? Oh, I could list some that you idiots seem to lack the capacity to notice.

1) It's been straight up confirmed that Neah and Tyki have a connection.

2) Wisely is aware of the entire truth (Why can't he? He's the Noah of Wisdom) but is hiding the knowledge from the others.

3) Neah just attempted to activate Allen's innocence. He doesn't seem concerned by the idea of becoming a Fallen One so there is an actual possibility that he has the potential to activate it... or he's just that suicidal and reckless.

Jul 15, 2017 8:46 AM

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regarding allens memory loss - i think apocryphos erased it for an unknown reason

tyki and nea are obviously connected, tykis apperanced is probably similar to someone whom nea knew, maybe its even neas outer appereance.

what goes constantly through my mind tho, do you all remember than nea killed 11 noah? you probably do
but with what did he kill them? how did he kill them? besides, why did he do that? and why did he spare road?

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Jul 15, 2017 9:08 AM

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The_Exiled_One said:
Nothing useful to the plot? Oh, I could list some that you idiots seem to lack the capacity to notice.

1) It's been straight up confirmed that Neah and Tyki have a connection.

2) Wisely is aware of the entire truth (Why can't he? He's the Noah of Wisdom) but is hiding the knowledge from the others.

3) Neah just attempted to activate Allen's innocence. He doesn't seem concerned by the idea of becoming a Fallen One so there is an actual possibility that he has the potential to activate it... or he's just that suicidal and reckless.

Don't lump me in with that crowd. I noticed all those thing especially the Neah activating Innocence thing. The worst part of this chapter is the rushed and convenient return of Allen into his own body. That was my problem with this chapter. Everything else is symptomatic of so many people blindly having unwarranted faith .

Jul 15, 2017 9:29 AM

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I don't hink Wisely knows the entire truth since he asked Road for some informations about the mystery of Nea.
However he definitely is reluctant about given the informations he has and can give to the other Noahs. (was quite logic given that Sheril didn't ask him to read in Bookman's mind, which means Wisely didn't agree to do that).

"what goes constantly through my mind tho, do you all remember than nea killed 11 noah? you probably do
but with what did he kill them? how did he kill them? besides, why did he do that? and why did he spare road?"

Nea definitely had his own noah power and it must be terrifying. We needed 221 chapters to finally discover what was the earl's (and I think he still has more).
I suppose the the original abilities of the earl were split along with his body and Mana got the akuma making and soul consuming abilities while Nea got some other abilities.

Also, even without their ability, Nea must have had a quite overpowered dark matter-enhanced body at the time.

I'm not sure that Nea spared Road. she was at the earl's side for the final confrontation so maybe he just didn't have the time to before he himself got killed. Or maybe he just couldn't... As far as we know Road is pretty much invincible...

Jul 15, 2017 10:30 AM

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WiselyKamelot said:
I don't hink Wisely knows the entire truth since he asked Road for some informations about the mystery of Nea.
However he definitely is reluctant about given the informations he has and can give to the other Noahs. (was quite logic given that Sheril didn't ask him to read in Bookman's mind, which means Wisely didn't agree to do that).

"what goes constantly through my mind tho, do you all remember than nea killed 11 noah? you probably do
but with what did he kill them? how did he kill them? besides, why did he do that? and why did he spare road?"

Nea definitely had his own noah power and it must be terrifying. We needed 221 chapters to finally discover what was the earl's (and I think he still has more).
I suppose the the original abilities of the earl were split along with his body and Mana got the akuma making and soul consuming abilities while Nea got some other abilities.

Also, even without their ability, Nea must have had a quite overpowered dark matter-enhanced body at the time.

I'm not sure that Nea spared Road. she was at the earl's side for the final confrontation so maybe he just didn't have the time to before he himself got killed. Or maybe he just couldn't... As far as we know Road is pretty much invincible...

nea can control the ark with his ability as long as he reads the lyrics in his head, but i think there is still something linked to the piano itself
but also if nea has his noah powers, why didnt he activate them? why did he (want to) use allens innocence? is it linked to the piano? is his ability controlling things (not only the ark) with his piano? but why was he holding a sword in his hand in chapter 215 then? if controlling things with a piano is his ability, it is probably not his only ability.
and if fighting with innocence isnt painful to nea, why was it panful for allen then?
why would he have "no time" to kill road if he had the time to kill 11 other noah?
road isnt invincible, apocryphos temporarily "killed" her

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Jul 15, 2017 10:38 AM

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Darklight0303 said:

eblin said:

*rolls eyes* you shouldnt expect every chapter to be story rich, besides how fast-paced and weird would it feel if that was the case? hoshinos pace is fine as it is, we are just unlucky that we get max 4 chapters per year, but thats enough for me. i like this pace and i wouldnt want hoshino to pace it up.

i dont see anything wrong with that, allen wanted his body back and he got it back. nea fainted because allen took his body back, thats how it is

----

i seriously dont get you guys, i mean we finally get a new chapter and you are complaining about the pace? the pace is fine, nothing is rushed and nothing is dragged out - hoshinos pace was always like that. if you re-read the chapters you will notice that. and i bet hoshino doesnt plan to keep this quarterly release either, but she wants her injury to get better and she also wants to keep drawing d gray man. at least be a bit happy that she doesnt go full hiatus until her injury is healed

Oh cool you want something so you're supposed to get it? Wow that's so easy. Alright then all Allen needs to do is want the Earl to die of a heart attack and boom the war's over! Genius.

Neah is supposed to be a threat that is almost impossible to avoid and all it takes is some wimpy nerd calling Allen's name to push him back. If you don't see the pacing issue there then there is NO helping you.

I don't see how you can complain about this and have fairy tail in your favorites.

Btw the main threat of Neah wasn't that he would take over Allen like that but that he'll gain more control over time, as it was shown in the past when it showed some of the current Noah's awaken (don't remember where this was). You should also realize the fact tha Neah was concentrating on activating ALLENS innocence. I don't see how that couldn't also tip the scale in Allens favor, especially as it has protected Allen before.

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Jul 15, 2017 10:41 AM

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Darklight0303 said:

Oh cool you want something so you're supposed to get it? Wow that's so easy. Alright then all Allen needs to do is want the Earl to die of a heart attack and boom the war's over! Genius.

Neah is supposed to be a threat that is almost impossible to avoid and all it takes is some wimpy nerd calling Allen's name to push him back. If you don't see the pacing issue there then there is NO helping you.

I don't see how you can complain about this and have fairy tail in your favorites.

Btw the main threat of Neah wasn't that he would take over Allen like that but that he'll gain more control over time, as it was shown in the past when it showed some of the current Noah's awaken (don't remember where this was). You should also realize the fact tha Neah was concentrating on activating ALLENS innocence. I don't see how that couldn't also tip the scale in Allens favor, especially as it has protected Allen before.

Simple. two reasons. One I don't bother updating this list in ever and my standards depend on what series I am reading/watching. I have higher standards for DGM than for FT. I know it must be shocking to hear you don't have to hold UNIVERSAL standards to enjoy something. Also DGM was on my favorites back when it had a RELIABLE and consistent schedule it followed. You can thank Hoshino's poor management of the releases for its removal.

Jul 15, 2017 10:55 AM

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4/5- Yay! It's back! Per usual, the art is stunning. I love it almost as much as I love Berserk's artwork. I'm a bit bummed out that Tyki didn't fight Nea/Allen.

Anyways, yeah, it's hard to remember whats going on so I'm going to reread the wiki page and I hope the wiki page is updated. I legitimately forgot about Johnny's existence.

Anywho, interesting chapter. Tyki is fucking awesome even though he just stood around. He's definitely my favorite villain of this series. It's interesting to think that Tyki is a reincarnation though. I wonder what's that all about. Guess we'll find out in about a year.

Side Note: Super happy to see there were a lot more content compared to the last chapter. I was considering dropping it if it was going to be a small chapter again but I'm glad it wasn't. The only reason I would drop it is that I don't want to wait several months or years to read for 3-5 minutes. It's hard to keep track of the plot if I'm not consistently reminded of it but that's on me and my poor memory. I hope she gets well soon. I don't know her exact illness/injuries but she's been in bad health for a long time.

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Jul 15, 2017 10:57 AM

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Darklight0303 said:

Extect said:

Darklight0303 said:

eblin said:

sevki said:
Nice art as always, but useless chapter in terms of story progression.

I mean, this comes after 6 long months, and this is what happens? Power of bonds, friendship, love, whatever it is, and then Allen comes back... Yeah great thanks... And Nea does not like Tyki, yep so important point...

These 34 pages could have been used to go to the mansion from the previous chapters for example? Idk I just want sth faster and more about the main plot.

*rolls eyes* you shouldnt expect every chapter to be story rich, besides how fast-paced and weird would it feel if that was the case? hoshinos pace is fine as it is, we are just unlucky that we get max 4 chapters per year, but thats enough for me. i like this pace and i wouldnt want hoshino to pace it up.

Darklight0303 said:

Stark700 said:
What a beautiful way for Allen to return.

Indeed, the artwork is great as always. I'm hoping D Gray Man will be getting more chapters this year.

The word you're looking for is rushed not beautiful. All it takes is for magic Johnny sue to call his name and boom the great threat that was going to erase Allen forever is erased? Please.

Other than the johnny part the chapter was pretty solid.

i dont see anything wrong with that, allen wanted his body back and he got it back. nea fainted because allen took his body back, thats how it is

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i seriously dont get you guys, i mean we finally get a new chapter and you are complaining about the pace? the pace is fine, nothing is rushed and nothing is dragged out - hoshinos pace was always like that. if you re-read the chapters you will notice that. and i bet hoshino doesnt plan to keep this quarterly release either, but she wants her injury to get better and she also wants to keep drawing d gray man. at least be a bit happy that she doesnt go full hiatus until her injury is healed

Oh cool you want something so you're supposed to get it? Wow that's so easy. Alright then all Allen needs to do is want the Earl to die of a heart attack and boom the war's over! Genius.

Neah is supposed to be a threat that is almost impossible to avoid and all it takes is some wimpy nerd calling Allen's name to push him back. If you don't see the pacing issue there then there is NO helping you.

I don't see how you can complain about this and have fairy tail in your favorites.

Btw the main threat of Neah wasn't that he would take over Allen like that but that he'll gain more control over time, as it was shown in the past when it showed some of the current Noah's awaken (don't remember where this was). You should also realize the fact tha Neah was concentrating on activating ALLENS innocence. I don't see how that couldn't also tip the scale in Allens favor, especially as it has protected Allen before.

Simple. two reasons. One I don't bother updating this list in ever and my standards depend on what series I am reading/watching. I have higher standards for DGM than for FT. I know it must be shocking to hear you don't have to hold UNIVERSAL standards to enjoy something. Also DGM was on my favorites back when it had a RELIABLE and consistent schedule it followed. You can thank Hoshino's poor management of the releases for its removal.

Hot damn. Not universal standards. may as well just change your standards so you like everything if you want to.

I can understand getting upset with poor releases but that doesn't really make the series itself worst? But I won't really fault that and I'm sure there's a lot of people who feel the same way about HxH or berserk. Though really I don't care that much whether it's one of your favorite series or not, it's your life.

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Jul 15, 2017 11:00 AM

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Darklight0303 said:

Extect said:

Darklight0303 said:

eblin said:

sevki said:
Nice art as always, but useless chapter in terms of story progression.

I mean, this comes after 6 long months, and this is what happens? Power of bonds, friendship, love, whatever it is, and then Allen comes back... Yeah great thanks... And Nea does not like Tyki, yep so important point...

These 34 pages could have been used to go to the mansion from the previous chapters for example? Idk I just want sth faster and more about the main plot.

*rolls eyes* you shouldnt expect every chapter to be story rich, besides how fast-paced and weird would it feel if that was the case? hoshinos pace is fine as it is, we are just unlucky that we get max 4 chapters per year, but thats enough for me. i like this pace and i wouldnt want hoshino to pace it up.

Darklight0303 said:

Stark700 said:
What a beautiful way for Allen to return.

Indeed, the artwork is great as always. I'm hoping D Gray Man will be getting more chapters this year.

The word you're looking for is rushed not beautiful. All it takes is for magic Johnny sue to call his name and boom the great threat that was going to erase Allen forever is erased? Please.

Other than the johnny part the chapter was pretty solid.

i dont see anything wrong with that, allen wanted his body back and he got it back. nea fainted because allen took his body back, thats how it is

----

i seriously dont get you guys, i mean we finally get a new chapter and you are complaining about the pace? the pace is fine, nothing is rushed and nothing is dragged out - hoshinos pace was always like that. if you re-read the chapters you will notice that. and i bet hoshino doesnt plan to keep this quarterly release either, but she wants her injury to get better and she also wants to keep drawing d gray man. at least be a bit happy that she doesnt go full hiatus until her injury is healed

Oh cool you want something so you're supposed to get it? Wow that's so easy. Alright then all Allen needs to do is want the Earl to die of a heart attack and boom the war's over! Genius.

Neah is supposed to be a threat that is almost impossible to avoid and all it takes is some wimpy nerd calling Allen's name to push him back. If you don't see the pacing issue there then there is NO helping you.

I don't see how you can complain about this and have fairy tail in your favorites.

Btw the main threat of Neah wasn't that he would take over Allen like that but that he'll gain more control over time, as it was shown in the past when it showed some of the current Noah's awaken (don't remember where this was). You should also realize the fact tha Neah was concentrating on activating ALLENS innocence. I don't see how that couldn't also tip the scale in Allens favor, especially as it has protected Allen before.

Simple. two reasons. One I don't bother updating this list in ever and my standards depend on what series I am reading/watching. I have higher standards for DGM than for FT. I know it must be shocking to hear you don't have to hold UNIVERSAL standards to enjoy something. Also DGM was on my favorites back when it had a RELIABLE and consistent schedule it followed. You can thank Hoshino's poor management of the releases for its removal.

i dont really think that anybody cares if you removed dgm from your favorites or not
btw you said you didnt bother to update your list and yet you did to remove dgm from your favorites?
its not shocking to hear you not having universal standards because standards always depend on how good you think something is
well anyways if you are here just to spread negativity then you might as well spread it elsewhere

ding dong ur wrong

Jul 15, 2017 11:52 AM

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eblin said:

WiselyKamelot said:
I don't hink Wisely knows the entire truth since he asked Road for some informations about the mystery of Nea.
However he definitely is reluctant about given the informations he has and can give to the other Noahs. (was quite logic given that Sheril didn't ask him to read in Bookman's mind, which means Wisely didn't agree to do that).

"what goes constantly through my mind tho, do you all remember than nea killed 11 noah? you probably do
but with what did he kill them? how did he kill them? besides, why did he do that? and why did he spare road?"

Nea definitely had his own noah power and it must be terrifying. We needed 221 chapters to finally discover what was the earl's (and I think he still has more).
I suppose the the original abilities of the earl were split along with his body and Mana got the akuma making and soul consuming abilities while Nea got some other abilities.

Also, even without their ability, Nea must have had a quite overpowered dark matter-enhanced body at the time.

I'm not sure that Nea spared Road. she was at the earl's side for the final confrontation so maybe he just didn't have the time to before he himself got killed. Or maybe he just couldn't... As far as we know Road is pretty much invincible...

nea can control the ark with his ability as long as he reads the lyrics in his head, but i think there is still something linked to the piano itself
but also if nea has his noah powers, why didnt he activate them? why did he (want to) use allens innocence? is it linked to the piano? is his ability controlling things (not only the ark) with his piano? but why was he holding a sword in his hand in chapter 215 then? if controlling things with a piano is his ability, it is probably not his only ability.
and if fighting with innocence isnt painful to nea, why was it panful for allen then?
why would he have "no time" to kill road if he had the time to kill 11 other noah?
road isnt invincible, apocryphos temporarily "killed" her

I think the ark is a magical device that was programmed to be control by no one by the earl, Road and Nea. I don't think this has a link with Nea's noah ability.

I think Nea said before that he still needed time to get used to this body (he had even some trouble to move) so he must be in the incapacity to use his ability for now.
I don't think it was painful to Allen to use crown clown, or maybe I missed something? I only remember that he was in pain when he stabbed himself.

Regarding Road, I mean that she was just next to the earl. The earl must have killed Nea before he killed Road. The murders of the 11 other Noah must have happened before that, during months or even years.
Yes Road was hurt by Apo, but it was made clear that Apo's power is special. Without this ability, it seems logically impossible to kill Road.

Jul 15, 2017 12:10 PM

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WiselyKamelot said:

eblin said:

nea can control the ark with his ability as long as he reads the lyrics in his head, but i think there is still something linked to the piano itself
but also if nea has his noah powers, why didnt he activate them? why did he (want to) use allens innocence? is it linked to the piano? is his ability controlling things (not only the ark) with his piano? but why was he holding a sword in his hand in chapter 215 then? if controlling things with a piano is his ability, it is probably not his only ability.
and if fighting with innocence isnt painful to nea, why was it panful for allen then?
why would he have "no time" to kill road if he had the time to kill 11 other noah?
road isnt invincible, apocryphos temporarily "killed" her

I think the ark is a magical device that was programmed to be control by no one by the earl, Road and Nea. I don't think this has a link with Nea's noah ability.

I think Nea said before that he still needed time to get used to this body (he had even some trouble to move) so he must be in the incapacity to use his ability for now.
I don't think it was painful to Allen to use crown clown, or maybe I missed something? I only remember that he was in pain when he stabbed himself.

Regarding Road, I mean that she was just next to the earl. The earl must have killed Nea before he killed Road. The murders of the 11 other Noah must have happened before that, during months or even years.
Yes Road was hurt by Apo, but it was made clear that Apo's power is special. Without this ability, it seems logically impossible to kill Road.

apos special ability is manipulating memory and unless he manipulated roads memory to where she doesnt know how to use her ability and then punched her, its prob very unlikely that is that his ability that made her vanish
it was also stated that apo was pure innocence
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the scenery where mana "devoured" nea and where road hugged mana were different. road hugged mana in a room and on a bed, mana "devoured" nea possibly outside their house
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his innocence hurt him, he could barely move because of it

ding dong ur wrong

Jul 16, 2017 3:27 AM

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Ok so many questions yet so little chapters
let's all gather the questions so that it will be easier to see the pieces

1. Heart innocence's relationship with Allen Walker (Himself not the Noah)
Apocryphos states that the heart wants him to bond with Allen so that Nea won't be able to take over it and the Noahs state that the Apocryphos is the innocence that exists to protect the Heart. Whats more, Clown Crown also wants to bond with Apocryphos for some unknown reasons. I'm assuming that Clown Crown want to protect Allen because he is its host but what is the Hearts reason for wanting to protect Allen? Considering how Apocryphos is supposed to protect the Heart, how is it willing to spend its time trying to bond with Allen just because the Heart said so? There must be a very deep relationship that we need to know.

2. Past Allen(the one Nea talked to before dying)
Seriously, this is so confusing and I'm pretty sure its one of the few main points that must be revealed before anything can happen. Before Nea's death, they most likely already knew each other or not, why would you give your memories to someone you just met and claims to be able to protect your existence no matter how long? Was the past Allen even a human?

3. Road and Nea
Another confusing thing. (so much!) I always thought that Nea had a relationship with Road and left her because he wanted to become the Earl. Road also protected Allen (most probably for Nea)

4. Killing Mana/Becoming the Earl = saving mana?
What? I'm wondering if the Earl position causes people to go insane which is why Nea would rather take Mana's place. Road mentioned that Nea was always trying to protect Mana and told Mana to keep walking. In this chapter, Mana kept crying and when Nea said that he would find him and kill him, Mana tried to reach out his hand as if he wants Nea to kill him. If so, why would Mana(Earl form) of the past kill Nea for trying to kill him?

5. Relationship between Nea and current Tykki
Newest question (confirmed to be in this chapter). Wisely mentioned something about the fate of Tykki and Nea which is kinda weird considering the only link between them that we know of is their appearance. WHICH! may not seem so weird since Nea mentioned about Tykki's face himself. Tykki had a moment where his face suddenly changed when Nea mentioned it so it's 100% confirmed that they have a link. I'm assuming that this Tykki actually had something to do with what happened in the 14th betrayal.

6. Bookman and the Noahs
If I remember correctly, Bookman had another successor before Lavi that was killed by the Noahs (perhaps during the 14th incidence) but we do not know why.

7. The Sword of Exorcism
Since the Earl has a similar sword I'm assuming that the sword is related to the Original Earl. If so that would suggest that Allen only has that sword because he is the host for Nea (also suggested by Cross who said that Allen could finally activate it). That would also mean that the innocence Allen has now is made in a way that Nea could also use (since Nea tried to activate it in this chapter). However, it still harms Nea which is so confusing.

I'm sure there are much much more questions but I don't remember them.
In my opinion though, there was never a betrayal. There was an insider who didn't like Nea for some reason (most likely due to the insider being unable to use Mana as a puppet due to Nea). And I have a feeling that insider is kinda related to Tykki which is why Nea hates his face. Maybe that insider pretended to be Nea, wreaked havoc and made people think it was Nea which let Mana feeling betrayed and killed Nea.

Jul 16, 2017 9:22 AM

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eblin said:

WiselyKamelot said:

eblin said:

WiselyKamelot said:
I don't hink Wisely knows the entire truth since he asked Road for some informations about the mystery of Nea.
However he definitely is reluctant about given the informations he has and can give to the other Noahs. (was quite logic given that Sheril didn't ask him to read in Bookman's mind, which means Wisely didn't agree to do that).

"what goes constantly through my mind tho, do you all remember than nea killed 11 noah? you probably do
but with what did he kill them? how did he kill them? besides, why did he do that? and why did he spare road?"

Nea definitely had his own noah power and it must be terrifying. We needed 221 chapters to finally discover what was the earl's (and I think he still has more).
I suppose the the original abilities of the earl were split along with his body and Mana got the akuma making and soul consuming abilities while Nea got some other abilities.

Also, even without their ability, Nea must have had a quite overpowered dark matter-enhanced body at the time.

I'm not sure that Nea spared Road. she was at the earl's side for the final confrontation so maybe he just didn't have the time to before he himself got killed. Or maybe he just couldn't... As far as we know Road is pretty much invincible...

nea can control the ark with his ability as long as he reads the lyrics in his head, but i think there is still something linked to the piano itself
but also if nea has his noah powers, why didnt he activate them? why did he (want to) use allens innocence? is it linked to the piano? is his ability controlling things (not only the ark) with his piano? but why was he holding a sword in his hand in chapter 215 then? if controlling things with a piano is his ability, it is probably not his only ability.
and if fighting with innocence isnt painful to nea, why was it panful for allen then?
why would he have "no time" to kill road if he had the time to kill 11 other noah?
road isnt invincible, apocryphos temporarily "killed" her

I think the ark is a magical device that was programmed to be control by no one by the earl, Road and Nea. I don't think this has a link with Nea's noah ability.

I think Nea said before that he still needed time to get used to this body (he had even some trouble to move) so he must be in the incapacity to use his ability for now.
I don't think it was painful to Allen to use crown clown, or maybe I missed something? I only remember that he was in pain when he stabbed himself.

Regarding Road, I mean that she was just next to the earl. The earl must have killed Nea before he killed Road. The murders of the 11 other Noah must have happened before that, during months or even years.
Yes Road was hurt by Apo, but it was made clear that Apo's power is special. Without this ability, it seems logically impossible to kill Road.

apos special ability is manipulating memory and unless he manipulated roads memory to where she doesnt know how to use her ability and then punched her, its prob very unlikely that is that his ability that made her vanish
it was also stated that apo was pure innocence
----
the scenery where mana "devoured" nea and where road hugged mana were different. road hugged mana in a room and on a bed, mana "devoured" nea possibly outside their house
---
his innocence hurt him, he could barely move because of it

Apo is still very mysterious, we don't know the full extent of his abilities. We already know that he can shapeshift, grow wings, manipulate memory, absorb and control other innocences.... Tyki mentioned that he is "at a whole other level than your innocences". and Apocryphos called himself "the grim reapers of the Noah".
I wouldn't be surprised if he can somehow nullify their abilities.

Road explained that to "she is here bu she is not here". Even Allen's sword of exorcism couldnt hurt her. So I assume that without Apo's special ability, you can't kill her.

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That's right. I have always assumed that all this happened in the same scene but it can have happened at different times.

Juliettaliaror: There are indeed much more questions that need to be addresed but we can't forget the main mystery of the series. That is the whole reason behind the holy war between Noah and innocence 7000 years ago and the mission that the earl must complete!

Jul 17, 2017 1:41 AM

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Okay, for chapter 225

I am curious to as why Nea went as far to activated Crown Clown?

Or what did he mean by "That reincarnated form of yours..." during that talk between Nea and Tyki. A glimpse of Tyki's Noah is revealed yet again, is the Noah responding to Nea?

The Chapter is mysterious as hell. I get some of it. But alot of it is confusing about Nea.

Jul 17, 2017 2:06 AM

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haganedonciii said:
somebody pls kill Johnny, he's the most irritating person in the entire manga.... i HATE HIM, he only has the bullshit power of friendship yeah and rainbows and ponies... c'mon -_-

Agreed. Interrupted Nea...sigh

Jul 17, 2017 2:33 AM

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So happy to have a full chapter after the stab of the last one, I'm so happy ;_;

I'm glad Hoshino returned Tyki to his previous stylish clothes he had till the Noah Ark arc, one thing I love of him is how much his style rock. The white outfit made him look like an stripper.
I wonder what Nea refer with "they way he reincarnated". Maybe he doesn't likes his personality? Or is something more?

A Noah able to use an Innocence... I wonder if Nea will eventually domain both Allen's Innocence and his Noah power. It would be something very powerful.
Anyway, we won't learn this soon considering Allen has rised thanks to Johnny.

Btw, that dude, Fiddler, is actually pretty funny. He is indeed a true Noah.

IllyricusJul 17, 2017 5:04 AM

Jul 17, 2017 2:44 AM

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I think it's unlikely for Nea to be able to use both powers from both sides, as it'd shown in the chapter. Nea couldn't get it working, yet alone for it to form. But it is a possibility in future chapters.

For your question as to "the way he reincarnated" I believe it'd had to do something with the previous generation of Noahs, where Nea was in his own body. Alive and all.

I may be wrong about this. But I think he hated Noahs more than humans. Not sure, just a theory I got. Judging the way he spoked about them.

Jul 17, 2017 7:37 AM

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...Hooh Boy...finally new chapter but what? Wonder what Nea meant by Resurrected From...and why did Joyd seem shaken by it.

And JOHNNY!!! XD I KNEW HE WOULD BE THE 1 GTE ALLEN TO WAKE UP!!!! REALLY NICE CHAPTER

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Jul 17, 2017 7:44 AM

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Karma_Death78 said:
I think it's unlikely for Nea to be able to use both powers from both sides, as it'd shown in the chapter. Nea couldn't get it working, yet alone for it to form. But it is a possibility in future chapters.

For your question as to "the way he reincarnated" I believe it'd had to do something with the previous generation of Noahs, where Nea was in his own body. Alive and all.

I may be wrong about this. But I think he hated Noahs more than humans. Not sure, just a theory I got. Judging the way he spoked about them.

This chapter proved nothing of the sort. If anything Neah seemed more than convinced that he could use Crown Clown before Johnny showed up and ruined everyting

Jul 17, 2017 2:27 PM

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