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nerfx said: I get it that Haku and Oshutoru were good buddies but he could at least let everyone know he was alive or Kuon at least....why u do dis ;_; He can't risk the info getting out. THe minute the knowledge of Oshutoru being dead is out, he loses any standing or any chance he has at unifying Yamato. Twins and Nekone know only because they were there. ma2ha3 said: wait , he lies to kuon, but show himself to the rest of his gangs? What is the purpose of this? Only twins and Nekone know. And Nekone is in questionable state of mind. Whyktor said: Good episode, but the series really should have been done in 13 episodes. There' s absolutely no way to in 13 episodes, build up a believable life for Haku, introduce Yamato, introduce haku's new family, get through the war with Uzuruusha, build up Haku and Oshutoru's friendship and develop Haku to the point he is in this episode |
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| Interesting ending |
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Fai said: In this thread: Characterization and build up of contrast = Filler. K. Never change, MAL. Never ever change. Its all about explosions. yea this is so true. Anyway, I thought that series was really good! Had some nice character developement and story! I thought the first half of the series was enjoyable and the second half was even better. Though I don't agree with a lot of the complaints, people can have their opinions and thats alright. Hopefully we'll be getting an adaptation of the next game sometime in the future! |
Tokoya said: adapatations are not supposed to be carbon copies of source materials and until the anime community in general can accept that and judge an anime based on what it presents and how they handle every episode, these threads will continue to be filled with hate posts by purists |
Fai said: nerfx said: I get it that Haku and Oshutoru were good buddies but he could at least let everyone know he was alive or Kuon at least....why u do dis ;_; He can't risk the info getting out. THe minute the knowledge of Oshutoru being dead is out, he loses any standing or any chance he has at unifying Yamato. Twins and Nekone know only because they were there. Still, you'd think his friends could keep a secret, they are his "family" after all, Kuon even more... Hell, he could've even done what Oshutoru did with his other persona "Ukon" |
nerfxMar 26, 2016 2:30 PM
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| The last couple of episodes for this series was great. Season 3 next year maybe? 4/5 |
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| Man, I shed a tear at Oshutoru's final moments. Good final episode, nice way to wrap it up. I hope to see the sequel animated some day. Loved this show. 9/10. |
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nerfx said: Fai said: He can't risk the info getting out. THe minute the knowledge of Oshutoru being dead is out, he loses any standing or any chance he has at unifying Yamato. Twins and Nekone know only because they were there. Still, you'd think his friends could keep a secret, they are his "family" after all, Kuon even more... Hell, he could've even done what Oshutoru did with his other persona "Ukon" I think Haku did not tell his friends the truth not because of the possibility of it leaking to the public but because if his friends knew that he was still alive he would become unable of "completely" becoming Oshutoru. if his friends knew that he had taken Oshutoru's place then they would treat him as Haku instead of Oshutoru |
NRVNQSR666 said: nerfx said: Still, you'd think his friends could keep a secret, they are his "family" after all, Kuon even more... Hell, he could've even done what Oshutoru did with his other persona "Ukon" I think Haku did not tell his friends the truth not because of the possibility of it leaking to the public but because if his friends knew that he was still alive he would become unable of "completely" becoming Oshutoru. if his friends knew that he had taken Oshutoru's place then they would treat him as Haku instead of Oshutoru AND would try to stop him from doing a lot of things. Like the possibility of having a war against Tuskuru. It presents too many variables. And the moment his cover is blown, he loses it all. |
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| What the hell Haku!? How can you do this to your friends,especially Kuon ;___; |
| Lead me out of the dark,bishounen space Jesus. |
Fai said: NRVNQSR666 said: I think Haku did not tell his friends the truth not because of the possibility of it leaking to the public but because if his friends knew that he was still alive he would become unable of "completely" becoming Oshutoru. if his friends knew that he had taken Oshutoru's place then they would treat him as Haku instead of Oshutoru AND would try to stop him from doing a lot of things. Like the possibility of having a war against Tuskuru. It presents too many variables. And the moment his cover is blown, he loses it all. I think Haku just didn't really think things through. He thought only Oshutoru could unite and help the princess lead Yamato, and to become Oshutoru he thought he had no option besides discarding his real identity. But i think what Oshutoru really wanted was for Haku to remain himself and instead work with the help and affection of his close friends into uniting Yamato |
NRVNQSR666Mar 26, 2016 3:34 PM
NRVNQSR666 said: Fai said: AND would try to stop him from doing a lot of things. Like the possibility of having a war against Tuskuru. It presents too many variables. And the moment his cover is blown, he loses it all. I think Haku just didn't really think things through. He thought only Oshutoru could unite and help the princess lead Yamato, and to become Oshutoru he had no option besides discarding his real identity. But i think what Oshutoru really wanted was for Haku to remain himself and instead work with the help and affection of his close friends into uniting Yamato But again,from Haku's pov, there's no way to do that. Being Oshutoru is the only way to have enough influence to do that. |
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Fai said: NRVNQSR666 said: I think Haku just didn't really think things through. He thought only Oshutoru could unite and help the princess lead Yamato, and to become Oshutoru he thought he had no option besides discarding his real identity. But i think what Oshutoru really wanted was for Haku to remain himself and instead work with the help and affection of his close friends into uniting Yamato But again,from Haku's pov, there's no way to do that. Being Oshutoru is the only way to have enough influence to do that. Yes, but there was no need for him to discard his real identity. Now we have to wait to find out if he's going be Oshutoru to the end or not |
NRVNQSR666Mar 26, 2016 4:26 PM
| Wow, this episode was fantastic. Felt pretty sad at Oshutoru's death, but it was obvious it was going to happen looking at the previous episode. Looks like Haku cast away his identity and becomes Oshutoru in his place. I felt sad for his friends, especially Kuon, but I can understand why he has to keep it a secret. Unlike many people, I think the first half was enjoyable and important to the story. I didnt enjoy this season as much as the original Uwarerumono but it was still great. this episode 5/5 The season 8/10 |
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| Surprised no mention of Munechika, but I guess it was expected she wouldn't be dead~ |
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| It was a Good show over all. and For ppl who don't know there is a New game coming out idk when or what its about. but the title for is utawarerumono futari no shiraou. and in English is called Utawarerumono: The Two Hakuoros. and its the last game in the series. so there will properly be a season 3. around sometime next year is my bet. Also I'm kind of upset that we didn't get to see Kuon go berserk. |
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drake892 said: so i suppose there'll be a season 3. this was an overall ok anime 7/10 Well, first the third game will be released for PS4 on September 21 on this Year, so i don't expect a third season soon, actually i hope they release a english version of the third game :( |
drake892 said: The ending is exactly the same as the game.Kyruga said: I hope they translate itsuwari no kamen sometime soon and port it to PC..I doubt this is where the game endsWell, first the third game will be released for PS4 on September 21 on this Year, so i don't expect a third season soon, actually i hope they release a english version of the third game :( |
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| Overall a 5/10 for me, I'm pretty bummed no season 3 was announced or I probably would have given this a 7 or 8. This episode alone though was a solid 10/10, I feel like season 3 could be amazing if it stays on pace with how the 2nd half of this anime went. |
| What Vurai still alive What!!! OMG can't wait for the third game. Must know what's happening next OMG OMG |
| Makes no sense to me. MC was useless bum all the way. Power growth — may be. Personality — no. Well, ok. He is to become a hero and save the day. But why he has to become some right hand deceased general? He is with legitimate princess. He is Emperor's brother. With "no tail" trait. With knowledge about old science. With anti-mask unit under command. Why pretend to be someone else out of the blue? Feels like forced cut for sequel rather then interesting story twist. |
| 5/10 first half (because it could've been done WAY better and wasted a lot of time), 7/10 second half (godlike Haku character development) = 6/10 overall. The ending left a really bad aftertaste for me. This episode wasted a lot of time and could've been utilized far better. All of the people bumping and giving it higher scores just because of the ending kind of bug me. People's scores are far too influenced on the very end (of any anime for that matter) with the rest of the series forgotten. If the bulk of a series is perfect but has a bad ending, the scores suffer greatly. The opposite applies here for most people unfortunately. |
| Fuck you Haku! No seriously, fuck you for doing that to everyone especially Kuon. Never the less it was a good anime. 8/10 |
Did I miss anything or spoilerino? Thought the dude turned to star dust like Oshutoru. |
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| I had a feeling from the moment I realized Oshutoru was probably dying at the end of episode 23 that Haku would end up replacing him. Perhaps I should have had the foresight from the moment Oshutoru's character was introduced. Man so bittersweet. But honestly seems Utawarerumono really does need a season 3. Season 3 seems like it would have themes way more similar to the first anime. *sigh* sucks that now I have to wait for it (assuming it will eventually air). Also that Oboro entrance wasn't even special. I wanted to see Eruruu! But props to this episode for the Kimi ga Tame and Nuedori insert. I love you Suara. geptor said: Makes no sense to me. MC was useless bum all the way. Power growth — may be. Personality — no. Well, ok. He is to become a hero and save the day. But why he has to become some right hand deceased general? He is with legitimate princess. He is Emperor's brother. With "no tail" trait. With knowledge about old science. With anti-mask unit under command. Why pretend to be someone else out of the blue? Feels like forced cut for sequel rather then interesting story twist. Yeah that's what bugs me. If he was introduced as being special by the emperor before he died he'd have his own influence and power. Sucks that now Haku doesnt exist and it's all about Oshutoru. But I can respect the idea that Oshutoru still get to play a part but still... |
InugirlzMar 26, 2016 5:48 PM
| They pretty much crapped on a great title (2/10) and btw I also was disturbed by dudes in the nude, I'll await to be trolled by a no lifer Fai. lol Bring it bro! lol |
| Elementary my dear Watson, Elementary... |
| Lmao people bumping their scores skyhigh, just cause of the ending. Yeah we're supposed to believe that the spineless and lazy Haku who barely shows any qualities of being a leader or strong traits and virtues and constantly needs protection and saving can convince people that he is Oshutoru, who was a natural leader, charismatic, dependable etc. Characters and change and all, but this is just going for a 180. The biggest deal breaker of all is that Oshutoru's eyebrows were on fleek and Haku's eyebrows are weak. There's no way he can catch up to his eyebrow game. This show managed to meander a good 3/4th away on "buildup", which was little more than fanservice and nothing that has any impact on the plot happening. Had a terrible cast filled with cliches and stereotypes and the few interesting characters in the show (the generals) were not even focused on. We didn't get to see most of great cast of the first season and worst of all the OP powers and transformations and shit. What's the point of having armies and tactics when you have ridiculous OP god monsters? Yeah this show was a mess, not that the first season was some masterpiece, but it at least delivered a compelling and believalbe narrative about a man with no name or history, taking charge and being a true leader and military general. Leading his nation to victory, making a name for himself and his people. Instead of this fool who just gets preferential treatment and is lucky and was in the right place at the right time. Someone who would rather just chill in a hotspring and relax instead of doing any real work. The only reason he does anything is because other people put the responsibility on him. If Oshutoru didn't give him the mask, he would never have been able to take up his name on his own. Hakuoru was a true hero, Haku is just doing what hes been told. 3/10 |
 "The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." -Friedrich Nietzsche |
Fai said: drake892 said: The ending is exactly the same as the game.I hope they translate itsuwari no kamen sometime soon and port it to PC..I doubt this is where the game ends Overall, as an anime viewer only (and loved s1 as well this s2), i agree with everything you said thus far... I fail to see why so many people are being so harsh on such a good series with great story... |
| I don't expect justice. I expect revenge, even if it solves nothing in the end. I don't expect redemption. I expect decadence and self destruction. I don't expect compassion. I expect selfishness. I don't expect people making choices. I expect a cruel fate forced upon them. |
| this last episode had the best moment of the anime. Oshutoru's death was so well done. I loved that they used one of the songs of utawarerumono 1. It was so beautiful and deep. This only show me that this anime had potencial but there was a lot of filler and boring episodes. RIP oshutoru (one of the only characters that was really interesting). |
Fai said: And thus the unlucky man, drowned in the pits of despair, losing even his own name and identity to the circumstances and karma surrounding him Oh man this was TOP NOTCH episode both stylistically and in terms of direction. Haku's story is a tragic one. He started as man with no memories, noname and no identity and through luck and coincidence built his own family and life in Yamato. We saw him only want that normal life, not striving for anything out of ordinary, yet that normal life and even his own identity he built for himself are stripped of him now he is doomed to forever be the person he never was this greater than life general with thousands of soldiers lifes at stake. And nobody will even know his name. Because all of his deed and all of hardhsips will be attributed to a false face wearing a false mask, carrying out the will of Oshutoru and carrying out the will of his late brother. From now on he is Oshutoru. Haku is dead. Kuon's realization of what supposedly happened to Haku is painful and so damn emotional for me. Especially themoment when she is looking at the fan and it sets in. As Anju asked Kuon all the way back in episode 10 when Kuon told the second love story of man drowning in despair, "just how is this a love story?" - Kuon on only figured out how important haku was too late and with extent of destruction we saw her capable to do, you can bet she will put everything she has at stake to grind Yamato to dust now. A lot of episode also brought back things that were used through the season - the pouring of sake on the grave, the scenes of Kuon meeting Oshutoru, the scenery of locations from first episode, serving as kind of book ends for this part of the story. A lot of episode is framed as a silent kind of movie with only key moments having voices and music which makes those moments VERY strong. The visual representation of character emotions also is top notch. Some of game scenes had to be cut but they had proper replacements within the show so that was no problem This episode drew the lines between Yamato and Tuskuru - two factions led by masked white emperors(Haku Oro = White Emperor).Two countries entangled in the legacy of humanity. Now time to await for the third part of the story that concludes it all. 5/5 for the episode 8/10 for the show. This so much. I'm mad hyped for Season 3 (I'm only assuming of course, but it makes sense to me that there would be one). And I have to give a ton of THANK YOUs to Aquaplus for giving me more Suara music. Suara is my Goddess. The symphonic version of "キミガタメ" (Kimi ga tame) used in this episode was freaking beautiful.The vocal version of Kimi ga tame was used in episode 26 of season 1, for those that don't remember. Very nice touch. Overall, this episode was a fantastic ending, and beginning. |
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ma2ha3 said: wait , he lies to kuon, but show himself to the rest of his gangs? What is the purpose of this? Where did you see that? Only the Chains and Nekone (Best girl) know about him, from the episode I watched. Kyruga said: drake892 said: so i suppose there'll be a season 3. this was an overall ok anime 7/10 Well, first the third game will be released for PS4 on September 21 on this Year, so i don't expect a third season soon, actually i hope they release a english version of the third game :( Your logic doesn't make sense. Itsuwari no Kamen game came out September 24, 2015, and the anime aired October 3rd, 2015. So if the new game is releasing September 21st 2016, they could follow the same pattern they did this time and start the anime a few weeks later. That's "soon" in my book, since it's this year. |
KougeruMar 26, 2016 7:32 PM
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| I feel bad for Kuon. Haku is pretty strong-willed not to tell Kuon what he's doing. Martyr of him. There goes my ship! Bye! I give this a 5/10 because there were so many fillers. The last episode was the best episode throughout the show. |
You can just be yourself. Do things your own way, one step at a time. You'll get there. Just be yourself, you'll be fine." ~Fruit Basket |
Unless someone took his spot then...He was there during the credit scene riding the horse in the city |
geptor said: Makes no sense to me. MC was useless bum all the way. Power growth — may be. Personality — no. Well, ok. He is to become a hero and save the day. But why he has to become some right hand deceased general? He is with legitimate princess. He is Emperor's brother. With "no tail" trait. With knowledge about old science. With anti-mask unit under command. Why pretend to be someone else out of the blue? Feels like forced cut for sequel rather then interesting story twist. Chances are no one would believe him. He's physically younger than the Emperor and looks nothing like him, really. Though what's her face could back up his story. The people loved Oshutoru so being him would work for his goals. I'm sure it will be explained more in S3/the third game. edit: Wait what? I must've missed the scene with Vurai. Can someone PM me a time frame of that, please? |
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AnimeFan500 said: Unless someone took his spot then...He was there during the credit scene riding the horse in the city That was Mikazuchi, General of the Left |
| I enjoyed this series much more than I did the first one. Sad that Oshutoru is dead but I like the idea of Haku carrying on his will even if it means discarding his identity. Only Nekone and the twins know of this which is understandable at this point as any leak of information could lead to unfavorable results. People are sad that Haku and Kuon didn't end up together or that he didn't tell her about him being Oshutoru but I can understand why he did what he did. If he told her, his will might waver and he didn't want that. And about them getting together, this could happen in the new series but I personally prefer Nekone. Haku and Kuon might have a strong bond but I'm not sure if Haku has feelings for her. It's obvious she loves him, though. I hope there will be a continuation soon. |
geptor said: Makes no sense to me. MC was useless bum all the way. Power growth — may be. Personality — no. Well, ok. He is to become a hero and save the day. Except we clearly saw Haku progress into someone who risks his life and takes responsibility and we saw that he has a lot of brilliance and wisdom and potential to lead. But why he has to become some right hand deceased general? He is with legitimate princess. He is Emperor's brother. With "no tail" trait. With knowledge about old science. With anti-mask unit under command. Why pretend to be someone else out of the blue? Feels like forced cut for sequel rather then interesting story twist. Because nobody would believe him on being the brother? Some guy who was cleaning the sewers claims to be the brother of the emperor. Seems legit. And for princess, without Oshutoru's influence and power, they can just claim he kidnapped her or something. AS Haku himself said few episodes back - Oshutoru is revered andd respected by people. Yamato's citizens were ready to rebel at mere thought of him being unjustly executed. Oshutoru is the only one who could garner support of the citizens and keep Yamato united. as Haku put it few episodes back "Oshutoru HAS to survive". |
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| Dammit, I'm laughing so hard. Great ending to a overall decent show. Always feel a bit disappointed as a long fan of Utawarerumono and Leaf, but this episode make up for it. Can't wait for the Tuskuru arc. And c'mon, bring the game to the west already! |
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