| Because watching fanservice is a sin and my mother say I can't watch it. Fanservice is great though |
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| Fan service is just a tease and nothing more. At least hentai goes all the way. :/ Maybe getting teased is your thing, but it sure as hell ain't mine. |
| @TheBrainintheJar That would be extremely boring if every scene in every show was absolutley necessary and everything made sense, its fiction and part of the beauty of fiction is you can make ppl say wtf? |
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Mamster-P said: @DeathBorne im not even a casual lol..... ive only ever seen ONE full hentai episode xD @TripleSRank you actually sound like the strange one in this case..... no seriously..... most studies wouldn't agree that you're the norm lol.... but w/e, you do you..... and between what ages are the samples? are they virgin, sexual active, married, single or in a relationship?because if the sample is comprised of wizards or horny teenage boys it's no wonder they think about sex all the time. normal man (as in people with real life responsabilities) have lot more stuff going through their heads than sex |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Mamster-P said: zooming in on an animal for 3 seconds isn't necessary either, at least ecchi is character related @flannan YOU UNDERSTAND.......... MY BROTHER :D Then it's a bad choice from the director's standpoint. Every second should be taken advantage of. Ugh.. Fanservice can be used. Katanagatari would not have the effect it did at the end without the Kogame fanservice. It's actually humanizing to show a character needs to shower and isn't always clothed and prepared. |
| @Xykko I didn't say they think about sex all the time.... try rereading what i said and if u can't catch it... welp... not gonna bother lol |
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Mamster-P said: I feel like this thread was made just for you xD@Xykko I didn't say they think about sex all the time.... try rereading what i said and if u can't catch it... welp... not gonna bother lol |
Mamster-P said: @Xykko I didn't say they think about sex all the time.... try rereading what i said and if u can't catch it... welp... not gonna bother lol Mamster-P said: of course its not all we care about , but to pretend as if we don't spend a FUCK TON OF TIME thinking about it is silly to me lol. so i just will always accept it no matter where they throw it in so for you what is a fuck ton of time? care to elaborate? or will you dismiss my confrotation with roundabout arguments like usual? |
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Xykko said: so for you what is a fuck ton of time? care to elaborate? or will you dismiss my confrotation with roundabout arguments like usual? im saying its extremely common for men to have something sexually stimulating cross their mind every so often, doesn't have to be sex. apparently the every 10 seconds thing may be a myth but i have a hard time believing you can go any sort of long period without SOMETHING crossing you mind every so often @Robiiii lol well i tend to find my way to them XD |
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| I like it where it fits, like in No game no life or monogatari, I like it there. but when I see stupid fan service in a phychological anime, it annoys me. |
kamisama751 said: Mamster-P said: im saying its extremely common for men to have something sexually stimulating cross their mind every so often, doesn't have to be sex. apparently the every 10 seconds thing may be a myth but i have a hard time believing you can go any sort of long period without SOMETHING crossing you mind every so often What crosses my mind is anime anime anime and not echi echi echi, so f*ck it. and what crosses my mind is ecchi anime, ecchi anime, ecchi anime, ecchi anime, ecchi anime ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
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TitanAnteus said: TheBrainintheJar said: Then it's a bad choice from the director's standpoint. Every second should be taken advantage of. Ugh.. Fanservice can be used. Katanagatari would not have the effect it did at the end without the Kogame fanservice. It's actually humanizing to show a character needs to shower and isn't always clothed and prepared. How is it humanizing? I'm not really against sexiness in and of itself. I just don't want the show to emphasize it too much. There are better mediums for that. Mamster-P said: @TheBrainintheJar That would be extremely boring if every scene in every show was absolutley necessary and everything made sense, its fiction and part of the beauty of fiction is you can make ppl say wtf? I don't think you understood what I meant. I'm not against surprising the viewer, or contributing things that add to non-story elements like tone/atmosphere/character development. I just want it to contribute to the overall show, not pause it. Sexiness in a decent amount can be fun. One camera pan of a sexy character in a show where character design is important, is fine (Hyperdimension Neptunia). When battles stop just to show you panty shots (Freezing) it's annoying. flannan said: TheBrainintheJar said: Every second should be taken advantage of. 1) That's only good for action anime. Thoughtful and mood-creating anime don't work well with high tempo of things happening - they need to give the viewer time to think, time to get into the mood... 2) From a director's standpoint, not every second has the same cost in dollars or time to make it. A still shot or panning of a still shot is quite cheap, fills the screentime nicely, and the viewers don't complain, because they're too busy looking at the heroine's panties. I'm not talking about high-adrenaline. Anime heavy on atmosphere still should take advantage of every second. If the scene doesn't progress the story, it should contribute to the atmosphere or characters. |
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Guaste128 said: art is the way that artists comunicate. they say things trough art. storys, characters, symbolism, are elements to SAY things. if you want to SAY something about whatever you want, you create characters that SAY those things trough their actions. when i see an ecchi/action/moe/anykindoffanservice that doesnt SAY anything and only want to get more people to watch it (so the creators make more money) i dont like it. so when i said "pointless" i mean "not SAYING anything" from art perspective. I think this might be the difference. You and @TheBrainintheJar want the authors to get on a soapbox and give an impassioned speech. I'm okay with a lullaby. TheBrainintheJar said: TitanAnteus said: Ugh.. Fanservice can be used. Katanagatari would not have the effect it did at the end without the Kogame fanservice. It's actually humanizing to show a character needs to shower and isn't always clothed and prepared. How is it humanizing? I'm not really against sexiness in and of itself. I just don't want the show to emphasize it too much. There are better mediums for that. Some stories work fine with symbols instead of characters. Guts or Kirito don't have to be humans, they can just be perfect heroes, and their stories will still work. Other stories seek to give their characters emotional value. Katanagatari's ending's emotional impact depends upon us seeing Togame as a person. The show goes to great lengths to make it so, including giving her a backstory (which isn't important for the plot). Sexual fanservice is just one of the things that the show does to that end. Moe is another option (and Togame has a bit of that too). Both do it in a rather simple manner - by evoking our instincts that cause us to see another human as a... person? I guess I'm not good at explaining it. |
flannan said: Guaste128 said: art is the way that artists comunicate. they say things trough art. storys, characters, symbolism, are elements to SAY things. if you want to SAY something about whatever you want, you create characters that SAY those things trough their actions. when i see an ecchi/action/moe/anykindoffanservice that doesnt SAY anything and only want to get more people to watch it (so the creators make more money) i dont like it. so when i said "pointless" i mean "not SAYING anything" from art perspective. I think this might be the difference. You and @TheBrainintheJar want the authors to get on a soapbox and give an impassioned speech. I'm okay with a lullaby. TheBrainintheJar said: How is it humanizing? I'm not really against sexiness in and of itself. I just don't want the show to emphasize it too much. There are better mediums for that. Some stories work fine with symbols instead of characters. Guts or Kirito don't have to be humans, they can just be perfect heroes, and their stories will still work. Other stories seek to give their characters emotional value. Katanagatari's ending's emotional impact depends upon us seeing Togame as a person. The show goes to great lengths to make it so, including giving her a backstory (which isn't important for the plot). Sexual fanservice is just one of the things that the show does to that end. Moe is another option (and Togame has a bit of that too). Both do it in a rather simple manner - by evoking our instincts that cause us to see another human as a... person? I guess I'm not good at explaining it. Not that was a good explanation. It happens with tons of characters. In Jormungand, when the muscular girl takes a shower and you see her scars it's still technically a fanservice scene but they develop the character at the same time. Talho from Eureka 7 is basically a fanservice character but they use her to show Renton's sexual development as a teenager as well as make the juxtaposition between her future self more self-apparent. Evangelion used fanservice to show Rei was definitely a human being and to show more expressions from our characters like instantaneous embarrassment from our lead protagonist who usually has that bored look on his face. If it's used too much there could be problems but everyone has their own threshhold for too much. My threshold lies at Highschool DXD season 2 and beyond as well as shows like Seikon No Qwaiser. Other shows haven't really put me off. Shows like Ichiban Ushiro no Daimaou and The Devil is A Par-timer are fine for me.. |
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flannan said: Guaste128 said: art is the way that artists comunicate. they say things trough art. storys, characters, symbolism, are elements to SAY things. if you want to SAY something about whatever you want, you create characters that SAY those things trough their actions. when i see an ecchi/action/moe/anykindoffanservice that doesnt SAY anything and only want to get more people to watch it (so the creators make more money) i dont like it. so when i said "pointless" i mean "not SAYING anything" from art perspective. I think this might be the difference. You and @TheBrainintheJar want the authors to get on a soapbox and give an impassioned speech. I'm okay with a lullaby. TheBrainintheJar said: How is it humanizing? I'm not really against sexiness in and of itself. I just don't want the show to emphasize it too much. There are better mediums for that. Some stories work fine with symbols instead of characters. Guts or Kirito don't have to be humans, they can just be perfect heroes, and their stories will still work. Other stories seek to give their characters emotional value. Katanagatari's ending's emotional impact depends upon us seeing Togame as a person. The show goes to great lengths to make it so, including giving her a backstory (which isn't important for the plot). Sexual fanservice is just one of the things that the show does to that end. Moe is another option (and Togame has a bit of that too). Both do it in a rather simple manner - by evoking our instincts that cause us to see another human as a... person? I guess I'm not good at explaining it. Kiritio is a mythic character stuck in a psychological series, but that's a discussion for a different day. Actually, such sexual fanservice does the opposite of humanizing. Instead of showing the character as human with wants, needs and desires it turns them into objects for sexual gratification. While this isn't always bad (Drawing sexy characters is an art in itself) I don't see how it adds any extra humanity. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Actually, such sexual fanservice does the opposite of humanizing. Instead of showing the character as human with wants, needs and desires it turns them into objects for sexual gratification. While this isn't always bad (Drawing sexy characters is an art in itself) I don't see how it adds any extra humanity. Maybe that depends on a person's default view of others. To me, Togame at the start comes off as a manipulative bitch. Who is also ridiculously annoying. Her being sexually attractive worked in her favor, as I stopped seeing her as an enemy. Hmm... Have you watched Haganai? If not, I recommend it to you, it's full of deliciously flawed humans. Anyway, the characters there (especially the two main girls) have unusually negative starting point for others. I think they illustrate my point well. |
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flannan said: TheBrainintheJar said: Actually, such sexual fanservice does the opposite of humanizing. Instead of showing the character as human with wants, needs and desires it turns them into objects for sexual gratification. While this isn't always bad (Drawing sexy characters is an art in itself) I don't see how it adds any extra humanity. Maybe that depends on a person's default view of others. To me, Togame at the start comes off as a manipulative bitch. Who is also ridiculously annoying. Her being sexually attractive worked in her favor, as I stopped seeing her as an enemy. Hmm... Have you watched Haganai? If not, I recommend it to you, it's full of deliciously flawed humans. Anyway, the characters there (especially the two main girls) have unusually negative starting point for others. I think they illustrate my point well. I did watch Haganai. It's a decent harem. What made the characters more human though, isn't the fanservice but their flaws and other aspects of characterization. |
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| Its pretty annoying example Dimension W...Unnecessary fanservice, not to mention a crap ton of it is of cutesy characters who happen to like 12. Try and be adorable then suddenly half naked in sexual positions? Why? Just make adult characters and have them be adults if you need a sexy character to flash or what not. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: flannan said: Maybe that depends on a person's default view of others. To me, Togame at the start comes off as a manipulative bitch. Who is also ridiculously annoying. Her being sexually attractive worked in her favor, as I stopped seeing her as an enemy. Hmm... Have you watched Haganai? If not, I recommend it to you, it's full of deliciously flawed humans. Anyway, the characters there (especially the two main girls) have unusually negative starting point for others. I think they illustrate my point well. I did watch Haganai. It's a decent harem. What made the characters more human though, isn't the fanservice but their flaws and other aspects of characterization. Indeed. I was saying that I, like Haganai's characters, tend to start with a negative impression of a lot of characters (and people). And in such a situation, fanservice helps humanize such a character. P.S. You should probably add Haganai to your list. What's the point of being on MAL if you don't keep a list of anime you've watched? |
Yasukoto said: Its pretty annoying example Dimension W...Unnecessary fanservice, not to mention a crap ton of it is of cutesy characters who happen to like 12. Try and be adorable then suddenly half naked in sexual positions? Why? Just make adult characters and have them be adults if you need a sexy character to flash or what not. Are you sure you're talking about Dimension W? The fanservice in Dimension W tended to center on the robot girl, who was of indefinite age (probably in single digits), and her apparent age was "teenager", not "12". Maybe you're talking about Koukaku no Pandora? |
flannan said: Yasukoto said: Its pretty annoying example Dimension W...Unnecessary fanservice, not to mention a crap ton of it is of cutesy characters who happen to like 12. Try and be adorable then suddenly half naked in sexual positions? Why? Just make adult characters and have them be adults if you need a sexy character to flash or what not. Are you sure you're talking about Dimension W? The fanservice in Dimension W tended to center on the robot girl, who was of indefinite age (probably in single digits), and her apparent age was "teenager", not "12". Maybe you're talking about Koukaku no Pandora? Both, DW was an example of them using underaged moe characters to be cute then randomly sexual just for some random fan service to some pervs who want to see young girls, but as for her being a "teen" 13 is considered teen and you could honestly lump 12 into the whole tween thing but thats just one example because thats what Im currently watching and being disappointed by because of it. I'll never be able to grasp or enjoy the whole...oh hey she's 13 lets make her do a shower scene or be half naked and write her as being some 100 year old spirit who just happens to look 10 If you want to do ecchi or some crazy outlandish stuff just do it like Sekirei an obvious ecchi serious with adult characters being sexual. Can even add innocence or whatever like Musubi without having a child do it. |
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Yasukoto said: flannan said: Are you sure you're talking about Dimension W? The fanservice in Dimension W tended to center on the robot girl, who was of indefinite age (probably in single digits), and her apparent age was "teenager", not "12". Maybe you're talking about Koukaku no Pandora? Both, DW was an example of them using underaged moe characters to be cute then randomly sexual just for some random fan service to some pervs who want to see young girls, but as for her being a "teen" 13 is considered teen and you could honestly lump 12 into the whole tween thing but thats just one example because thats what Im currently watching and being disappointed by because of it. I'll never be able to grasp or enjoy the whole...oh hey she's 13 lets make her do a shower scene or be half naked and write her as being some 100 year old spirit who just happens to look 10 If you want to do ecchi or some crazy outlandish stuff just do it like Sekirei an obvious ecchi serious with adult characters being sexual. Can even add innocence or whatever like Musubi without having a child do it. 1) You're basically complaining about taste in girls. Some people like them adult and shapely, some like lolis, some like teenagers. This anime doesn't have a whole harem of girls to provide the whole spectrum, so you only get what they have. Maybe that's the character designer's favorite apparent age. Or apparent age decided by the marketing department. 2) There is fanservice of proper little girls in anime. For example, little sister and nun from Haganai. 3) Mira is very young mentally and chronologically. No "but she's over 9000 years old!" excuses here. |
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ilovewendy16 said: I can't understand why there are people who hate fan service so much. I mean, its called fan service for a reason, it services the fans. How could you not like being serviced? Unless you are like a masochist or something. Assuming, that the fan service isn't used in a very serious situation, and isn't degrading, why would some one dislike it. I can understand if you're a girl or homosexual, but other than those people, i cant wrap my head around dislikeing it. I personaly like being serviced. Its annoying when used at wrong times Like Yoko in Guren Lagan when they were all fighting and you get a shot or sth Or SAO and its booty shots Fucking let me take this sht seriously why you gotta put fanservice in moments like these |
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zombie_pegasus said: "Fanservice" often involves oversized breasts which I am not fond of. There are types of fanservice which I do enjoy as long and they're not the main premise of the show. Exactly my thoughts. Well i'm ok with fanservice for both genders, but when there are naked oversized boobs are zoomed in full screen it's disturbing for me. Same goes to pantsu shot as well. Overly fanservice is always turn off for me. (yeah also manservice) |
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| I don't like it because it's sometimes just unnecessary waste of screen time. |
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| I don't hate it but it could become TIRING after sometime. Just how you shouldn't overdo things! |
| Cause who cares? Okay, I guess most of the people care but "Oh, he doesn't have a shirt." don't excite me much as well as "I can see her bra!" |
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| I don't care that much about it or for it. It's inevitable in goofy series, I just prefer there to be none in serious stories since it's not really necessary. My only exception is if it's part of the character's personality, like Faye Valentine, then it's fine. |
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ilovewendy16 said: I'm sorry, but this is the most Downs logic I've heard in a long time.I can't understand why there are people who hate fan service so much. I mean, its called fan service for a reason, it services the fans. How could you not like being serviced? |
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