Ranpo Kitan: Game of Laplace Episode 3 Discussion

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seizonsha said:

This episode was better than the last 2, but still mediocre.

in which way it was?

Jul 16, 2015 4:02 PM

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i liked this episode untill i found out the the girl that the bag man was looking for was crushed because she did not want to be part of his family. in the end i hated this episode just because the girl got crushed, the main focus of this episode was to find her and we find out in 2 seconds that she was crushed. 2/5 for this episode.

Jul 16, 2015 4:03 PM

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Kobayashi, please never hit puberty!

That kidnapper/murderer needs to executed by firing squad, or stoned to death, just like how he crushed those girls into concrete. They better not let him go again because of all this psychiatric BS. Those psychiatrists need to be put in their place too, suffering the same penalties for whatever crimes of the person they set free. And did they totally forget the mother!? She was a straight-up accomplice to their murders and kidnapping, even if she didn't do the deed herself. The entire time the detectives were facing him, it pissed me off that they didn't even have their guns drawn. I was screaming "Shoot him!" all the up until Akechi went Bruce Lee on his ass.

I'm hoping the Shadow-man becomes a regular ally to our heroes in future episodes, but since he was based off of 20-Faces, he'll likely come back as an antagonist to butt heads with Akechi. Slightly disapointed he was made to be super-weak, and...pedophilic? Then again, the 20-Faces of Nijuu Mensou no Musume (The Daughter of 20 Faces) anime also took in and trained a young girl to be a thief...

Jul 16, 2015 4:10 PM

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you just made me realize that kobayashi isn't a loli, as he did not hit puberty, if he did though and still looks like that... well then i have no idea what to say.

also i am not sure about shadowman's pedohilia... sure he has an awkward interest in kids, but afaik pedophilia implies sexual arousal, he's more like respect or something, he admires them.

Jul 16, 2015 4:24 PM

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The whole show reminds me the opening of the movie Massacre at Central High, showing people getting violently murdered while smoothing music playing in the background. This anime isn't disturbing, creepy or surreal even with this many weird people in the story, it's just pretentious and annoying, and I can hear somewhere there is a retarded 15-year-old saying this shit is art.

Jul 16, 2015 4:28 PM

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raveninthemuddle said:
The whole show reminds me the opening of the movie Massacre at Central High, showing people getting violently murdered while smoothing music playing in the background. This anime isn't disturbing, creepy or surreal even with this many weird people in the story, it's just pretentious and annoying, and I can hear somewhere there is a retarded 15-year-old saying this shit is art.

well you know, art is subjective, music more than drawings sure, but in a complex piece like an anime,videogame movie or something, subjectivity has a large role in it.

personally i wouldn't go as far as saying it is art, but the first t2 episodes were good, the funny scenes reminded me of zetsubou sensei and everything else felt like it had pretty good direction; third episode though.... it felt quite generic, like watching a slightly heavier version of stuff like the tv series criminal minds, and i really can't see why people say ep 3 was better than 1 and 2.

Jul 16, 2015 4:39 PM

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kataklism said:

Kalypze said:

This episode was better than the last 2, but still mediocre.

in which way it was?

The first 2 eps made very little sense to me. The way they used "The Chair" was bad; the mystery, while simple, was shown to us in a way that made it very hard to guess as a viewer, so at times it felt Kobayashi was just pulling clues out of thin air (even though that wasn't necessarily the case); the interactions between the characters felt very forced and completely unnatural.

Ep 3, while more generic, felt like it had better direction and was much easier to get through.

Jul 16, 2015 4:41 PM

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Shadowman

1. Lolicon
2. Gentleman
3. Anonymous

Here comes the hero and representative from 2chan.

Jul 16, 2015 4:52 PM

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kataklism said:

well you know, art is subjective, music more than drawings sure, but in a complex piece like an anime,videogame movie or something, subjectivity has a large role in it.

personally i wouldn't go as far as saying it is art, but the first t2 episodes were good, the funny scenes reminded me of zetsubou sensei and everything else felt like it had pretty good direction; third episode though.... it felt quite generic, like watching a slightly heavier version of stuff like the tv series criminal minds, and i really can't see why people say ep 3 was better than 1 and 2.

You play the "All art is subjective" card too early. There is much more to discuss before we have to resolve to that argument.

IMO all three episodes is bad because the general direction is wrong in the first place. The series of novels or short stories that it's based on is mostly about abnormal people who has some kind of morbid obsession or weirdness to their behavior or appearance. It's not meant to have gentle music playing in the background when a girl said she killed her teacher because she is jealous. And this is pretentious because by the way the show chose to execution the scene, it's suggesting we the audience should have a similar feels to the situation, even though most of us would just be disgusted by what we've seen, but maybe the music is reflecting one of the characters' emotional state? Which is also wrong, the girl who committed the murder should not feel relaxed, her atrocity was just discovered, and if it's reflecting kabayashi's mood some more up-beat or fast-paced music should be playing to show his excitment, that I would accept because it's has a narrative purpose, and I can totally picture it to be creepy in some ways.

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Jul 16, 2015 4:55 PM

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i think it has spretty much the same goal of the first use in history of child lullabies in horror movies, it's to break the mood and give a feeling of uneasiness, it worked with me, guess it doesn't for everyone though...

Jul 16, 2015 4:58 PM

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Please help. Can someone read and translate for me this sequence from the ED? (They were changing so fast, I hope I haven't missed one)

(I'm not a native Japanese but...)
It's an Edogawa Ranpo quote.
うつし世はゆめよるの夢こそまこと
It means something along the lines of "This world is a dream; it is dreams at night that are the truth."

Jul 16, 2015 5:07 PM

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Decent episode. Felt really average with the way it was simply going with the sequence, but going with its flow sort of helped, and it's interesting at times. For now I can only hope for an underlying motive and I hope that skull at the end wasn't some intro to the next episodic case.

Jul 16, 2015 5:13 PM

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raveninthemuddle said:
You play the "All art is subjective" card too early. There is much more to discuss before we have to resolve to that argument.

That argument can't be resolved, for me its akin to saying that one can't argue for or against anything. I find it to be an evasion (had a long, boring argument on Godeater about that)

That said, I think you are misunderstanding the intent of the music: it is meant to normalize the bizarre. That seems to be the general mood of the series. Kobayashi is messed up completely, but they are playing him straight (intended), he accepts the most incredible horror with a blase frankness. Think of the situation he was in, even after realizing that he had been captured by a serial killer, he still betrayed no stress or worry about the situation. The cheerful, gentle music is the way Kobayashi is viewing everything around him.

That said I agree that this episode was (IMO) inferior. It failed because the serial killer was too possible, and I didn't like having a child lovingly depicted to then have her killed in such a horrific (and pointless) way. For many this was an improvement over the overthetopness of "I want to be his chair", but for me that was not the defect but the charm of the show.

Jul 16, 2015 5:13 PM

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kataklism said:
i think it has spretty much the same goal of the first use in history of child lullabies in horror movies, it's to break the mood and give a feeling of uneasiness, it worked with me, guess it doesn't for everyone though...

We can accept child dolls to be creepy and unsettling because it's part of the story's universe and when Chucky start murdering people, he is doing it within the context of the story. Background music is not part of that creation, characters don't hear music that is meant for the audience playing in the ground when they are having a scene.

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That said, I think you are misunderstanding the intent of the music: it is meant to normalize the bizarre. That seems to be the general mood of the series. Kobayashi is messed up completely, but they are playing him straight (intended), he accepts the most incredible horror with a blase frankness. Think of the situation he was in, even after realizing that he had been captured by a serial killer, he still betrayed no stress or worry about the situation. The cheerful, gentle music is the way Kobayashi is viewing everything around him.

Why would the production team feels the need to do that? Because it's made for teenagers who can't interpret the meaning of the show on their own? And if you have to normalize the bizarre then what is abnormal when you can't differentiate form normal people and events because there is no variety to the execution (this has to do with more than music choice, but let's focus on this first)? And the music choice is still wrong, it's too relaxing and claim, Kobayashi was excited and somewhat cheerful and the music should not be played during the entire scene, it should be purposely placed to emphasis this. And this is just one scene, I don't even start to talk about the scene following that, try to normalize that.

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Jul 16, 2015 5:14 PM

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I was actually surprised by the killer method. I guess I got way too used to DC softcore cases and wasn't ready for that. It made me a little interested in Edogawa Ranpo works, though.
Also, shadow-men reminds me of Kaitou Kid.

Jul 16, 2015 5:17 PM

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Takuan_Soho said:
tl;too lazy to spoil

someone who understands what i'm (not very efffectively) trying to say! it's a god's blessing!

i just am bad at explaining myself, especially in my non-mother language.

Jul 16, 2015 5:32 PM

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I died on the inside when I realized what Watanuki did.

RIP me

Jul 16, 2015 6:17 PM

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VA, paperbag, tragic plot, shadow-man confirmed last boss.

Jul 16, 2015 6:17 PM

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Man I thought the chair thing was twisted, but crushing them in mixing them into cement is really fucked up, like that dude is god damn insane. He deserves a lot more than the beat down he got from Akechi, hopefully this time the lock him up and throw away the key.

Only three episodes in and we already have some really twisted cases, and I imagine it's just gonna continue on like this. I like the shadow man though, he seems like a good guy but I probably shouldn't assume things when it comes to this show, would like to see him appear again though. Also Hashiba's reaction to Kobayashi dressed as girl is priceless, can't say I blame him though, he looks to good in that outfit.

The episode was fine overall, felt a little rushed but not bad.

Jul 16, 2015 7:03 PM

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Why does Shadow-man look like Faust from Guilty Gear?

Boy, this show is twisted. I can't believe what happened to that poor girl...
All the girls in general.

Unlike the previous episodes, this one held my attention from beginning to end. I thought it was pretty good.

Jul 16, 2015 7:08 PM

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raveninthemuddle said:
Why would the production team feels the need to do that? Because it's made for teenagers who can't interpret the meaning of the show on their own? And if you have to normalize the bizarre then what is abnormal when you can't differentiate form normal people and events because there is no variety to the execution (this has to do with more than music choice, but let's focus on this first)? And the music choice is still wrong, it's too relaxing and claim, Kobayashi was excited and somewhat cheerful and the music should not be played during the entire scene, it should be purposely placed to emphasis this. And this is just one scene, I don't even start to talk about the scene following that, try to normalize that.

Perhaps I explained this poorly, I don't think that the music is related to how Kobayashi is feeling at any given time, what I meant is that the music says the same thing that Kobayashi's attitude towards the horror of any situation show. Both are out of place, both take these horrible situations and make them seem normal, and in "normalizing the bizarre" it makes it even more disconcerting.

This goes back to the first episode: critics were complaining how inappropriate Kobayashi's actions were on waking up and finding the corpse; in the second episode the critics were complaining how inappropriate the autopsy scene was; now you are complaining that the music is inappropriate.

So either we should believe that the production company has no ability, or this isn't a defect, it is design.

And there are other examples, everything about Kobayashi is off: his emotions are off, the animation is off (I find it funny how many trap haters are obsessed with Kobayashi's ass), and the music (and visuals) associated with him are off. Do you really think that these are all mistakes?

Honestly, I am not entirely convinced that anything in this show is real. This could all be Kobayashi's own little sick, twisted fantasy. There are tons of clues that point in that direction (the butterfiles for instance, and that one quote about a dream becoming even more truthful than reality). I don't want the show to go in that direction, but it is possible.

In a way this ties into the question about Kobayashi's gender. They did purposely censor him when he was changing (which they didn't need to), so again it is clear that the producers are going out of their way to obscure this point. Personally I think it would be more fun for him to be a man, but I have one particular theory that is starting to grow on me where this may not be the case.

Jul 16, 2015 7:13 PM

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Jul 16, 2015 7:16 PM

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so far a mediocre series but I'm enjoying it a lot. dio as a lolicon was great, I loved it.

tho kobayashi in a dress was best moment

Jul 16, 2015 7:19 PM

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LOAD said:
so far a mediocre series but I'm enjoying it a lot

You do realize that this is a contradiction. Anything associated with "a lot" cannot be "mediocre".

Jul 16, 2015 7:22 PM

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The number of weirdness is high in this anime.

1. The weirdo trap who likes to use dress
2. The friend who get into yaoi
3. The teacher from the first and second episode who likes Kobayashi
4. A fat guy who can attract children to get into his house and then crushed them when they don't want to be his daughter
5. The shadow man who is suddenly a ninja
6. many more to come.

Meh episode, they build up shadow man and the girl's relationship, then she's dead.

Jul 16, 2015 7:26 PM

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4. A fat guy who can attract children to get into his house

Viewing comprehension problems I assume.

Jul 16, 2015 7:35 PM

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From human chairs to smashed kid walls, it seems like this series is trying to teach people how to make a comfy living space out of people.

Pretty bad episode yet again. This wasn't even a mystery since there was nothing to figure out. If this was meant to be a crime procedural drama then I haven't a worse attempt at it besides the Gamergate episode of SVU.

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Jul 16, 2015 8:16 PM

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This episode was absolutely stupid the method of strategizing their plains seems out of point and unrealistic ofc this is obvious. It just that the whole thing just seemed Atrocious.

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Jul 16, 2015 8:23 PM

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crushed mixed with cement and then turned into a wall talk about brutality but hey this is japan stranger things have happened

Jul 16, 2015 8:33 PM

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A good episode, but I feel it was rushed.

And wait... Shadow Man told to Kobayashi that he can't disguise himself as a girl, but he suddenly appears as kidnapper's mother. So what...?

Jul 16, 2015 8:35 PM

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Well this episode officially confirmed three things for me.

1. Kobayashi is a truly a trap.
2. Hashiba is gay and has a crush on his friend Kobayashi.
3. The The Shadow Man is actually a good guy.

The like the Shadow-Man and I hope to see more of him in future episodes. I honestly believe he'll help Kobayashi and Akechi a lot more than Hashiba when it comes to solve am investigation.

Jul 16, 2015 8:38 PM

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This episode was heartbreaking!!!!

Jul 16, 2015 8:40 PM

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BryanLoeher said:
A good episode, but I feel it was rushed.

And wait... Shadow Man told to Kobayashi that he can't disguise himself as a girl, but he suddenly appears as kidnapper's mother. So what...?

What he meant is that he can't disguise himself as a little girl. Shadow-Man can disguise himself as a grown woman but not a child.

Jul 16, 2015 9:01 PM

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AvatarJinzo said:

What he meant is that he can't disguise himself as a little girl. Shadow-Man can disguise himself as a grown woman but not a child.

Oh, got it. Thank you.

Jul 16, 2015 9:06 PM

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I was hoping Shadow man was going to say this

"The mystery is already on the tip of my tongue."

Feels for Shadow Man.

Hashiba just reveal your feelings for Kobayashi already.

Dat skull 0____0

Jul 16, 2015 9:10 PM

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