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Apr 29, 2015 10:23 AM
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abystoma2 said:

Why count tv series only? Just count everything with 5 and less episodes, make the treshold 300 or more and we´re ready to go. There are tons of anime with 1 episode only, trust me.


I'm well aware there's a ton. You're talking to someone who's seen hundreds of movies and short OVAs/specials. I just don't see how it's that much of an achievement to watch a ton of titles with very few episodes each.
 
Apr 29, 2015 10:30 AM

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It can be joke "anti"-achievement, something like "Cheater! / You watched this many OVAs, ONAs and specials just to inflate your list, isn't it?"
 
Apr 29, 2015 10:46 AM

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I just don't see how it's that much of an achievement to watch a ton of titles with very few episodes each.


I'm with you on this. A few new achievements will be nice, but we shouldn't go overboard. Too many and they just feel gimmicky, like this one.
 
Apr 29, 2015 10:53 AM

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Speaking of too many achievements, I'd still like to see a music achievement. Only TV series with music genre though, rather than the huge amount of music videos (if you can distinguish between them?).



 
Apr 29, 2015 11:20 AM

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[quote=Lolicon4Life]Speaking of too many achievements, I'd still like to see a music achievement. Only TV series with music genre though, rather than the huge amount of music videos (if you can distinguish between them?).

There are movie or OVA with music too..
 
Apr 29, 2015 12:13 PM

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Lolicon4Life said:
Speaking of too many achievements, I'd still like to see a music achievement. Only TV series with music genre though, rather than the huge amount of music videos (if you can distinguish between them?).


How about not counting tv series only, but instead just filtering music videos out? If that´s possible.
You all need to watch Nami.

 
Apr 29, 2015 4:09 PM

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Speaking of too many achievements, I'd still like to see a music achievement. Only TV series with music genre though, rather than the huge amount of music videos (if you can distinguish between them?).





You da real mvp. Amv is the best kind of anime
 
Apr 29, 2015 4:10 PM

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Alex-and said:
It can be joke "anti"-achievement, something like "Cheater! / You watched this many OVAs, ONAs and specials just to inflate your list, isn't it?"


I wonder how this will work for somebody with 5000 titles
 
Apr 29, 2015 4:12 PM

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nekomimibadik said:
Alex-and said:
It can be joke "anti"-achievement, something like "Cheater! / You watched this many OVAs, ONAs and specials just to inflate your list, isn't it?"


I wonder how this will work for somebody with 5000 titles
Make it % based, maybe if you've like 40% of your entries being only 1 episode long or so (could even make it by levels, like 30%, 40%, 50% for each one).
 
Apr 29, 2015 5:36 PM

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nekomimibadik said:
I wonder how this will work for somebody with 5000 titles
I doubt there are many users with such amount, and I doubt they'll think anything about such "achievement". In the end, it'll be only a joke achievement. Also, this achievement can be rightfully applied even to users with great amount of titles - it is possible that they started with that intention (to quickly get big amount of titles in list) and only later realized how stupid it is and stopped doing this.
If possible, I think that % should be calculated not based on the amount of short titles, but instead on total time of shorts. I have a friend who can easily get this achievement only because (s)he likes big franchises with a lot of stories and so watching every special/OVA that related to such franchises.
And if that achievement will be implemented, I think it also MUST be implemented for manga. I know a lot of girls that reads only short stories (i.e. dodjinshis), me being one of them. Such disrespectful attitude to the medium must be properly and funny punished. :-)
 
Apr 29, 2015 6:11 PM

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Alex-and said:
It can be joke "anti"-achievement, something like "Cheater! / You watched this many OVAs, ONAs and specials just to inflate your list, isn't it?"

This could also work for manga... Someone who has more than, I don't know, about 50% of titles on his list as oneshots, could have "oneshot maniac" with description like "Not every story needs lots of volumes to have a conclusion"
 
Apr 29, 2015 6:56 PM
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Alex-and said:
Such disrespectful attitude to the medium must be properly and funny punished.


Have you thought of people who like pre-1960 anime? Of people who like OVAs of 80s and 90s? Of all the people who watch single-episode shows out of sheer interest in these parts of the medium, not to boost the amount of titles? How exactly does exploration of the roots of the medium become "disrespectful attitude"? Achievements are intended to encourage people to explore new horizons, not to discourage them from doing so. If anything, I'd support what was suggested earlier in the thread:

abystoma2 said:
I would split the pre-1980 achievement to pre-1960 and 1961-1980 with the first one named something like "Monochrome master race" and the second one keeping the "VHS master race" title. Also, I would change to minimum required anime number, as it´s now it´s the easies achivemenent of all.
 
Apr 29, 2015 7:43 PM

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Lolicon4Life said:
Speaking of too many achievements, I'd still like to see a music achievement. Only TV series with music genre though, rather than the huge amount of music videos (if you can distinguish between them?).




Considering that things that have the "magic" genre don't necessarily get to fall under the "mahou shoujo" achievements, I can see this working in terms of filtering. If users pitched in to offer a large amount of music themed anime that aren't music videos than this could be a success.
 
Apr 29, 2015 8:31 PM

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Lolicon4Life said:
Speaking of too many achievements, I'd still like to see a music achievement. Only TV series with music genre though, rather than the huge amount of music videos (if you can distinguish between them?).




Considering that things that have the "magic" genre don't necessarily get to fall under the "mahou shoujo" achievements, I can see this working in terms of filtering. If users pitched in to offer a large amount of music themed anime that aren't music videos than this could be a success.


There aren't enough Music genre TV anime on the database though (less than 100).

And something to consider: "what about idol anime"? Those get the music genre too even though almost all of them just feature the cast singing and dancing. No instruments required. Most of the anime focuses on them doing things to look pretty rather than working on the actual music itself. Which in turn does mirror the idol industry in Japan; it's great that they have an automated system to have non-stop idols debuting but it seems like it's own category away from "music anime" like that of K-ON! or Beck or Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso which do have a heavy hand in the music creation process.
 
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Idols > Music 8)
 
Apr 29, 2015 9:12 PM

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lanblade said:

I would definitely include idol anime, though you are correct in saying there are very few music anime in all.
Personally, I don't think that's a problem, but it's for others to decide.
 
Apr 29, 2015 10:07 PM

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I feel like Mean Score achievement is unfair. I want something for a mean score in between 6-7
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Apr 29, 2015 10:16 PM

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ExTamplierRuss said:
I feel like Mean Score achievement is unfair. I want something for a mean score in between 6-7


That's not really an achievement. That's called being normal.
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Apr 29, 2015 10:27 PM

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ExTamplierRuss said:
I feel like Mean Score achievement is unfair. I want something for a mean score in between 6-7


I think that achievement is explained in the description. It's more than a joke, or rather, "call out" achievement for the people who use only 8-9-10 scores. I think.
 
Apr 30, 2015 3:33 AM

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Have you thought of people who like pre-1960 anime? Of people who like OVAs of 80s and 90s? Of all the people who watch single-episode shows out of sheer interest in these parts of the medium, not to boost the amount of titles? How exactly does exploration of the roots of the medium become "disrespectful attitude"? Achievements are intended to encourage people to explore new horizons, not to discourage them from doing so.
Jesus Christ, you can't get even the very obvious joke. God, there was even smile, and you still not get it. A joke about joke achievement. With clear inclusion of the author (i.e. me) in the target audience. And I used to think that it's me who tend to take everything too serious.
Not only that, but you completely missed the point that I was talking about manga in that case, not the anime. Have you ever read the whole post or just see the last words and decided to oppose it?
Also, there are not so many pre-60s anime, and people who watch it are usually old watchers that already watched enough anime to not get that achievement. The same goes for the ones that like 80s and/or 90s OVAs.
And how exactly this achievement discouraging people from exploring new horizons while it's very obvious that it's telling you "you read only a fracture of medium, try something new"? Not only you fail to see a joke, you also fail to see the logic. And on that note, so do you think that these "Mean Score" achievements (more that 8, less than 5, less that 3) - which are clearly joke achievements - also discouraging people from exploring new horizons? Then why are you not against it?
Holy mother, I just make a suggestion, and a joke one, and you reacting like it's some big deal. Come on, it's just some pictures for viewing some cartoons, why so serious? This is mass-culture, don't treat it like something great.
Ah, and so: -> :-) <- Please.
 
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Ryuma00 said:
Alex-and said:
It can be joke "anti"-achievement, something like "Cheater! / You watched this many OVAs, ONAs and specials just to inflate your list, isn't it?"

This could also work for manga... Someone who has more than, I don't know, about 50% of titles on his list as oneshots, could have "oneshot maniac" with description like "Not every story needs lots of volumes to have a conclusion"

The problem I see with one-shots is that most of them get merged into a collection of one-shots or another series when they appear in volumes. So the number will be constantly going down.
 
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Damn, I forgot about it, you're right, that make this achievement pointless for manga.
Off-topic:
 
Apr 30, 2015 6:38 AM

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How about an achievement when all the "type" achievement are completed (Y'know like horror,romance etc...) ?
 
Apr 30, 2015 6:47 AM
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Following your line of thought, should we also implement what was suggested earlier in the thread, renaming the "completionist" achievement to "govnoed"? 'Cause it's a very obvious joke, right? 'Cause nobody's going to get offended, right? Right? Splendid logic right here.
From where are you obtaining the data on people who watch old single-episode anime? Because the majority of such people I've seen, have more or less half of their list consisting of such anime. Not everyone is a lanblade to counterbalance these with an equally large number of long anime. If you want to have that achievement so badly, you should change the minimal threshold of short titles from 50% to something like 80%. And this problem will be solved.
The issue here is exactly that it's telling you "you read only a fracture of medium, try something new", while you, having watched lots of single-episode titles, with all probability have experienced much bigger variety of themes than the person who had watched a small number of longer anime. Modern newcomers are not interested in OVAs and movies. An achievement called "cheater" will discourage them even further. It may be a clear joke for you, but yet again, can you guarantee that everyone else will share your sense of humour?
I am not against "Mean Score" things, because they're exactly that - scores. How would knowledge of their mean score discourage anybody? Even MAL itself tells you that info on the bottom of your list. On the contrary, MAL doesn't label you a "cheater". Will you also blame MAL owners for not implementing your obvious joke?
It is mass-culture. Quote me, where exactly do I state otherwise? Indeed, we are talking about mere pictures of mere cartoons. The very purpose of the MAL forums is to talk about these things. Are you implying that mass-culture cartoons are not worthy of discussion?

To sum it up to my main point. There are lots and lots of people around, who are looking for a smallest excuse to insult the list owner and their tastes. At the very least "Mean Score" achievements are worded more or less neutrally. But the achievement saying "Cheater!" will fuel the fire, which the majority of said achievement owners would find less than pleasing.

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Cheater! / You watched this many OVAs, ONAs and specials

Alex-and said:
I was talking about manga in that case, not the anime

Now you say you're talking about manga. But in the post #202, you clearly talk about anime. Y'know, I have read your previous post too.
 
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Erich_Domel said:
Following your line of thought, should we also implement what was suggested earlier in the thread, renaming the "completionist" achievement to "govnoed"? 'Cause it's a very obvious joke, right? 'Cause nobody's going to get offended, right? Right? Splendid logic right here.
Comparing the light tame joke to straight foul insult. And you're telling me my logic is twisted. Sorry, not working. Also, too many repetitions.
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From where are you obtaining the data on people who watch old single-episode anime?
From experience here and in real life.
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having watched lots of single-episode titles, with all probability have experienced much bigger variety of themes than the person who had watched a small number of longer anime.
Doubt it, most of recent (i.e. from 90th onward) specials/OVAs are most either comic or ecchi (infamous beach/onses episodes). Most of old one-shots are either psychological or historical.
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Modern newcomers are not interested in OVAs and movies.
And I've heard the line "nah, it's too long, I'll better watch that recap/alternative movie instead and then, if I like it, watch the whole series" way too often. Problem is, as you can guess, half of time they not like movie enough to watch the series, and end up only with that.
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An achievement called "cheater" will discourage them even further.
Doubt it, it's not some public online game scoreboard. And if someone is fragile enough to stop watching anime/read manga only because some anonymous source on the Internet tell him/her "you're a cheater" or "you have a shit taste" or "anime/manga is shit" - then he/she needs to mature a bit.
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I am not against "Mean Score" things, because they're exactly that - scores. How would knowledge of their mean score discourage anybody? Even MAL itself tells you that info on the bottom of your list. On the contrary, MAL doesn't label you a "cheater". Will you also blame MAL owners for not implementing your obvious joke?
So, you're sure that this
I love Chinese cartoons
Mean anime score higher than 8.5. How about using the whole scale and re-rating stuff?
That could make you look less like a fanboy...

Watching anime is suffering
Mean anime score lower than 5. Someone has to counterweigh the fanboys, right?

Less than three
Mean anime score lower than 3. Is it hate, or is it love?
are serious achievements that are encouraging youngsters to watch more anime, and even a very sensitive person can not be offended by this? Or do you tell that this is not obvious joke? OK, I have no comments on this.
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achievement saying "Cheater!" will fuel the fire, which the majority of said achievement owners would find less than pleasing.
In the second version of MALgraph there was one "questionable" achievement for too high mean score, and I don't remember any public riots about it.
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Now you say you're talking about manga. But in the post #202, you clearly talk about anime. Y'know, I have read your previous post too.
Wrong quote/post. You started conversation with quoting last sentence of post #210, cutting two previous sentences. So I ask you again, and this time please be honest:
Do you really read the whole post or just seen the last sentence, decided to oppose it and now can't confess that you were wrong?
 
Apr 30, 2015 8:45 AM
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most of recent (i.e. from 90th onward) specials/OVAs

Says a person who has seen a grand total of 50-something old anime, not nearly all of which were OVAs/specials. I bow my head before your deep and profound expertise in the subject. Please forgive my ignorance, se-n-pai!
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then he/she needs to mature a bit

I, for one, am not a living saint. Even the most chill and mature person will have some kind of feeling of protest if they're being constantly insulted.
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So, you're sure that this are serious achievements that are encouraging youngsters

"Not discouraging" =/= "encouraging". To my understanding, these do not affect one's desire to watch or not to watch. These are just stats. These are not comparable to the achievement you're suggesting (except both being a "joke" as you insist). They have no relation to my point, and you try to diverge the discussion from it.
My point yet again being: either make the achievement more neutrally worded, or raise the minimum threshold so only the ones watching mainly recaps/alternatives get it. And hey, I have one more idea! Why not make the list of anime counted towards this achievement to include only short recaps/alternatives of the longer series (and not all short anime indiscriminately)? Aren't these ideas a slightest bit more reasonable? Is there any chance for us to reach a compromise?
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So I ask you again, and this time please be honest

So I answer you again. I answer not to a post, but to a person. I have thoroughly read the whole thread prior to posting. I have seen your first post, and I thought "one post brings no harm". I saw you repeatedly pushing your point, and I provided a counterpoint, quoting your most recent post, but bearing in mind everything you previously said, as a whole. I do not address the "manga" part, because I couldn't care less about the manga. Furthermore, in the post number #222 you say this achievement is pointless regarding manga. Why do you keep insisting on talking about the thing you yourself just called pointless?

So it's my turn to ask. Did you honestly mean to introduce such achievement only, strictly, and solely for manga, without any relation to anime? If yes, please forgive my misunderstanding of your point (and try to express yourself more clearly next time). But if you by any chance wanted to have this achievement for anime, then all my points are still standing.
 
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Alex-and said:
And if someone is fragile enough to stop watching anime/read manga only because some anonymous source on the Internet tell him/her "you're a cheater" or "you have a shit taste" or "anime/manga is shit" - then he/she needs to mature a bit.

But listening/reading about my "bad tastes" is still not pleasurable.

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Damn, I forgot about it, you're right, that make this achievement pointless for manga.
Off-topic:

Well, I posted a suggestion:
http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1378538
And I think it may work with this kind of achievement.
 
Apr 30, 2015 9:13 AM

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Just a funny achivement I thought of :

Leek Spiner :


Yeah, you watched it, even if you didn't notice those four little frames ^^

(Require to watch ep 2 of Bleach)
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Says a person who has seen a grand total of 50-something old anime, not nearly all of which were OVAs/specials. I bow my head before your deep and profound expertise in the subject. Please forgive my ignorance, se-n-pai!
Irrelevant. Ad hominem. Turn to joke instead of serious answer. Effort to accuse and make opponent defend instead of arguing. Denied, try to use real arguments instead of demagogic technique.
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To my understanding, these do not affect one's desire to watch or not to watch. These are just stats.
First you arguing "there are different people, some might be influenced by that", but now you're generalizing? Make your mind. And you know, for that stats some people going to extremes (spacecowboy and other fakes with insane amounts of titles).
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My point yet again being: either make the achievement more neutrally worded
For god's sake, I'm not the developer, I just made a suggestion, and even not the solid one. Don't you notice that two
something like
words before the supposed definition? OK, we've got that for some reason you're strongly against it, no need to push it so hard, it's not my baby, here, you can have it and to whatever you want with, even throw away in the garbage, I don't care.
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I have seen your first post, and I thought "one post brings no harm". I saw you repeatedly pushing your point
Wait, what? Repeatedly? That was only two posts. Pushing? Here we going again, personal judgment.
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I do not address the "manga" part
Than why are you quoted
"disrespectful attitude"
from the manga part? Talking about make yourself clear.
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in the post number #222 you say this achievement is pointless regarding manga. Why do you keep insisting on talking about the thing you yourself just called pointless?
Quote exactly where after that point I'm talking about manga or you're a liar.
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So it's my turn to ask. Did you honestly mean to introduce such achievement only, strictly, and solely for manga, without any relation to anime?
I've made my statements clear, it's all on that same page and inside that post, I'm not going to repeat it specially for you.
But. I'd like to point to the middle part of post #210:
If possible, I think that % should be calculated not based on the amount of short titles, but instead on total time of shorts.
because it's look like you overlooked that. Just think about it

Oh, and if you can say
I couldn't care less about the manga
can I say the same about anime?
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Apr 30, 2015 11:24 AM

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nekomimibadik said:


I wonder how this will work for somebody with 5000 titles
Make it % based, maybe if you've like 40% of your entries being only 1 episode long or so (could even make it by levels, like 30%, 40%, 50% for each one).


This one makes sense
 
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May 1, 2015 3:39 AM

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"Favorite years" only shows the rating for animes of the specific years - but I would be interested in a graph that shows the number of animes of the specific years too.
 
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What about an achievement for "Manga vs Anime"?

For example: Anime Completed/(Anime Completed+Manga Completed)

If above 0.8 (or 0.9, or 0.85 or whatever) you get an anime achievement if under 0.2 you get a manga achievement. The descriptions could be, for anime "Paper? What's that? Can you eat it?" and for manga "Arghhh! All that movement hurt my eyes!"

For limiting the achievement we could add a threshold of 100 of each as minimum or something.

What do you think?
 
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It's an interesting idea, but that sure would be one very hard achievement to get indeed. After all, if I wanted to get say the manga achievement with a completed number of 100 anime, then I'd need to read at least 400 manga to get a value of 0.2 or lower.
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They were just aproximate values, we should fine the most appropiate values for not being too easy or too hard. Reducing the minimum to 50 we get 200 of the other one, which is fairly easy to get. Or instead of a percentual difference a simple one: if Manga-Anime is >100 you get the manga achievement and if it is < -100 the anime one, because the percentual difference gets harder to achieve as you increase the total of both. If 100+400 is hard 200+800 is impossible.
 
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I would humbly suggest adding both of the Fatal Fury OVAs to the GAR achievement :3


 
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With the same formula 100 / manga completed * (ecchi * 2 + hentai * 4)
These could be used for pervert manga achievement:
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I peek just a little / Oh wait a minute, this wasn't the men's bath?
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We need a blood donor here / Even if I die from blood loss, I just can't stop...
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Ero-sennin / What do you mean that I am a pervert? I am THE pervert
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Yuri and Yaoi achevievement?
 
May 1, 2015 11:41 AM

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coperniko said:
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Post here: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=60876

Oh, thanks.
 
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I have made topic for the yuri achievement.
I guess yaoi fan should make the same.



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Some themes that would make nice manga achievements:

Tsundere
Based on a Novel
War/Military
Ninjas
Gangster
Immortality
Samurai
Police
Gothic
Post-Apocalyptic
Pirates
Survival

Or many other themes from here.
 
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I will be so glad if there are achievments for this
BlindNoldor said:
Some themes that would make nice manga achievements:

Tsundere
Based on a Novel
War/Military
Ninjas
Gangster
Immortality
Samurai
Police
Gothic
Post-Apocalyptic
Pirates
Survival

Or many other themes from here.
 
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Just like in anime there are Favorite Studios,in the manga we could have Favorite magazines.
 
May 2, 2015 7:58 PM

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Also better create a thread just for sharing animes that should be added on an achivement.
MALgraph had one IIRC
 
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What's the point in making your own achievements, this thread's just circlejerking. There's been maybe 5 posts so far about graphs/stats that actually require a script, including my own previous one. Rest of this stuff's pretty easy to do with pencil and paper.
 
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I'm sorry, but why making pervert-achievement percent-based? I, with my 200 hentai anime have 47%, and someone with 100 anime in total and 5 hentai would have 47% too. It doesn't seem fair to me.
 
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Just like in anime there are Favorite Studios,in the manga we could have Favorite magazines.
seconding this. even though I proposed it already
 
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UnoPuntoCinco said:
riqueterremoto said:
Just like in anime there are Favorite Studios,in the manga we could have Favorite magazines.
seconding this. even though I proposed it already


Saw it now,I hope they like this idea MALgraph didn't tought it would be much usefull when I shared with them.
We can do Achiviements with it too.
something like Shounen maniac reading x(at least y volumes) mangas from
Weekly shounen magazine
 
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