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Apr 1, 2015 10:49 AM

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When it was a failure on the source material's part to begin with?
As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all.
 
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Apr 1, 2015 10:54 AM
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Blind fanboys who can't see anything beside the imagined depth of their porn game I guess.
I mean,who wants a 10 hour monologue on how Saber makes Shirou hard?

BR pls
 
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Apr 1, 2015 10:55 AM

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i know right, what did they expect from a fucking porn game adaptation? LOL
 
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Apr 1, 2015 10:56 AM

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Blind fanboys who can't see anything beside the imagined depth of their porn game I guess.
I mean,who wants a 10 hour monologue on how Saber makes Archer, Gil, Shirou & more hard?


Me. I do.
The sun is a deadly laser
 
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Apr 1, 2015 10:57 AM

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Yeah..people raging on some childish Chinese cartoon..they sure are plebs...
 
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Apr 1, 2015 10:57 AM

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Because porn games are serious business and how dare they not adapt it exactly as I want it.
 
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Apr 1, 2015 10:59 AM
something here

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Kaioshin_Sama said:
Fate/Serious Business
 
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Apr 1, 2015 10:59 AM

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Oh this is gonna be wild, I can tell.
 
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Apr 1, 2015 10:59 AM

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Simple, because it was fkn directed by Takahiro Miura . Period.
 
Apr 1, 2015 11:07 AM

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They couldn't masturbate to it.

Second season is going to be a 10/10 then.
 
Apr 1, 2015 11:16 AM

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They say that?The episode discussion threads for s1 tell me something else.
 
Apr 1, 2015 11:19 AM

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HeroKenzan said:
They say that?The episode discussion threads for s1 tell me something different.


Well there is a certain vocal minority that tries to represent itself as the whole "fanbase" of VN readers.
 
Apr 1, 2015 11:39 AM

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HeroKenzan said:
They say that?The episode discussion threads for s1 tell me something else.


Most of people in during airing were hyped. NOw not so much because we can see the actual flaws.

VOcal Minority(Fake, Chicken and Grey) tries to pretend there are no problems tho.
 
Apr 1, 2015 11:44 AM

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They say that?The episode discussion threads for s1 tell me something else.
because the first half is good and so far the second half seems to just show less characterization in exchange for anime original ecchi fanservice something this director already has had a history of.
 
Apr 1, 2015 11:45 AM

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The first problem is that "people" are "saying" things. It could be flawless and people would still complain. But idgaf cuz I didn't read that shit
 
Apr 1, 2015 11:48 AM

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Maloghurst said:
HeroKenzan said:
They say that?The episode discussion threads for s1 tell me something else.
because the first half is good and so far the second half seems to just show less characterization in exchange for anime original ecchi fanservice something this director already has had a history of.


Most people agree that first half is n ot good and "Ok" at best(if second half was flawless)
 
Apr 1, 2015 11:51 AM

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CookingPriest said:
Maloghurst said:
because the first half is good and so far the second half seems to just show less characterization in exchange for anime original ecchi fanservice something this director already has had a history of.


Most people agree that first half is n ot good and "Ok" at best(if second half was flawless)
lazily acceptible....easily fixable but lazily acceptible now it appears that nothing is gonna get rectified some nice caster original content but no sign of characterisation of the MC. I'm gonna cal it now Shirou is getting replaced in the Answer don't be surprised if he actually does calling it now.
 
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Maloghurst said:
CookingPriest said:


Most people agree that first half is n ot good and "Ok" at best(if second half was flawless)
lazily acceptible....easily fixable but lazily acceptible now it appears that nothing is gonna get rectified some nice caster original content but no sign of characterisation of the MC. I'm gonna cal it now Shirou is getting replaced in the Answer don't be surprised if he actually does calling it now.


I actually believe it might happen. Miura did say that "VN readers will be surprised".
 
Apr 1, 2015 11:58 AM

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inb4 shirou is just a self-insert character anyways.
 
Apr 1, 2015 11:59 AM

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inb4 shirou is just a self-insert character anyways.

I kinda see Nasu as more of a Shiki Tohno than a Shirou Emiya somehow lol, I dunno xD
 
Apr 1, 2015 12:00 PM

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damastah said:
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inb4 shirou is just a self-insert character anyways.

I kinda see Nasu as more of a Shiki Tohno than a Shirou Emiya somehow lol, I dunno xD


Nasu is a rapist psychopath?....
 
Apr 1, 2015 12:02 PM

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CookingPriest said:
damastah said:

I kinda see Nasu as more of a Shiki Tohno than a Shirou Emiya somehow lol, I dunno xD


Nasu is a rapist psychopath?....

Remember kids, Fai was the one who said this, not me.
 
Apr 1, 2015 12:03 PM

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CookingPriest said:
damastah said:

I kinda see Nasu as more of a Shiki Tohno than a Shirou Emiya somehow lol, I dunno xD


Nasu is a rapist psychopath?....
no he's sitting in his room going insane while UFOtable and Takeuchi feeds him bullshit and turn Arc into a Saber clone.
 
Apr 1, 2015 12:05 PM

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inb4 Witch on the holy night 2. Aoko in the sequel as a side effect of true magic she has to fight an internal struggle that is causing her hair to turn blonde and Ahoges rupturing out of her head.
 
Apr 1, 2015 12:06 PM

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Maloghurst said:
inb4 Witch on the holy night 2. Aoko in the sequel as a side effect of true magic she has to fight an internal struggle that is causing her hair to turn blonde and Ahoges rupturing out of her head.



Such active imagination,much wow.....
 
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inb4 Witch on the holy night 2. Aoko in the sequel as a side effect of true magic she has to fight an internal struggle that is causing her hair to turn blonde and Ahoges rupturing out of her head.


I'm pretty sure your confusing that with Greek Mythology
 
Apr 1, 2015 12:15 PM

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chat77 said:
Maloghurst said:
inb4 Witch on the holy night 2. Aoko in the sequel as a side effect of true magic she has to fight an internal struggle that is causing her hair to turn blonde and Ahoges rupturing out of her head.



Such active imagination,much wow.....
dude...Saber can now bust planets...and camelot is now a magical fairy spaceship powered by dragon oil.....and you thought her magically sprouting a dick was silly.
 
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Maloghurst said:
chat77 said:



Such active imagination,much wow.....
dude...Saber can now bust planets...and camelot is now a magical fairy spaceship powered by dragon oil.....

Forgot the magical lance that holds whole reality together.
 
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Maloghurst said:
chat77 said:



Such active imagination,much wow.....
dude...Saber can now bust planets...and camelot is now a magical fairy spaceship powered by dragon oil.....and you thought her magically sprouting a dick was silly.


blame Takeuchi
 
Apr 1, 2015 12:20 PM

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chat77 said:
Maloghurst said:
dude...Saber can now bust planets...and camelot is now a magical fairy spaceship powered by dragon oil.....and you thought her magically sprouting a dick was silly.


blame Takeuchi
i'm obviously looking at Takeuchi on this one. He's been dressing up as a meido feeding Nasu morning glories and soon before we know it Ryougi shiki will turn blonde with ahoges bursting from her skull.
 
Apr 1, 2015 8:33 PM
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People just like to talk shit, this adaptation is probably the best one so far from a VN.
Better than Higurashi's.
 
Apr 1, 2015 8:42 PM
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fans always say that the source material is superior to the anime adaptation, so get use to it
 
Apr 1, 2015 8:52 PM

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People just like to talk shit, this adaptation is probably the best one so far from a VN.
Better than Higurashi's.
dont talk about that shit adaption of Higurashi. a whole masterpiece thrilling-mystery series turn into pointless-random comedy-gore. And some plebs still use it and define as maturity.

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fans always say that the source material is superior to the anime adaptation, so get use to it
Only shirou's fans have problem with this adaption.
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People just like to talk shit, this adaptation is probably the best one so far from a VN.
Better than Higurashi's.


I don't think it's quite as good as Steins;Gate (haven't read the VN for that myself, just heard that was a great adaptation), but it's definitely in the top tier right now, especially considering most of them turn out to be complete shit (which is far from this, unlike some people here would have you believe). Not sure wether it's better than Higurashi, but its overall value depends entirely on how they handle the 2nd cour.
 
Apr 1, 2015 9:12 PM

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When it was a failure on the source material's part to begin with?



A better question would be: How can anyone expect the source material to be any good with an adaptation like this?
 
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I didnt know that fate was adapted from a porn game before watching it but now its so obvious. All the characters are shallow, the female characters are all in love with Emiya for whatever reason, Emiya is a self insert useless character with plot armor... I was expecting ~super amazing~ art but it literally looks like a dating sim game. The fight scenes are barely impressive. Saber is the most bland female 'tough' character of all time
 
Apr 1, 2015 9:22 PM
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Takiya_Oomine said:

j0x said:
fans always say that the source material is superior to the anime adaptation, so get use to it
Only shirou's fans have problem with this adaption.


They really wouldn't have any problems if people hated him after some actual CHARACTERIZATION.

Seriously what's a point of changing scenes that just to make the MC look stupid..........and this is done in several LN or VN adaptations.

 
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I didnt know that fate was adapted from a porn game before watching it but now its so obvious. All the characters are shallow, the female characters are all in love with Emiya for whatever reason, Emiya is a self insert useless character with plot armor... I was expecting ~super amazing~ art but it literally looks like a dating sim game. The fight scenes are barely impressive. Kurapika is the most bland female 'tough' character of all time. Saber is a close second.


The rest of your comment was so correct, that I couldn't help but touch up the only imperfection.
 
Apr 1, 2015 9:33 PM

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TrueKireiPriest said:
marriage said:
I didnt know that fate was adapted from a porn game before watching it but now its so obvious. All the characters are shallow, the female characters are all in love with Emiya for whatever reason, Emiya is a self insert useless character with plot armor... I was expecting ~super amazing~ art but it literally looks like a dating sim game. The fight scenes are barely impressive. Kurapika is the most bland female MALE 'tough' character of all time. Saber is a close second.


The rest of your comment was so correct, that I couldn't help but touch up the only imperfection.
fix'ed
 
Apr 1, 2015 9:38 PM

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Pretty much lol, A porn game is only as good as it's best sex scene. I don't know why anyone expected anything out of this show, the sex scenes were terrible.
 
Apr 1, 2015 9:39 PM

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Pretty much lol, A porn game is only as good as it's best sex scene. I don't know why anyone expected anything out of this show, the sex scenes were terrible.
If we don't get Toosaka's anus in HF, I'm going to riot.
 
Apr 1, 2015 9:46 PM

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Feaor said:
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Pretty much lol, A porn game is only as good as it's best sex scene. I don't know why anyone expected anything out of this show, the sex scenes were terrible.
If we don't get Toosaka's anus in HF, I'm going to riot.


Weren't you just paying attention? HF will only be as good as the sex scenes. In other words, it'll be a complete disaster.

The only hope we have now is for Miura to rewrite the route to save it.
Behold, your salvation.
 
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TrueKireiPriest said:
Feaor said:
If we don't get Toosaka's anus in HF, I'm going to riot.


Weren't you just paying attention? HF will only be as good as the sex scenes. In other words, it'll be a complete disaster.

The only hope we have now is for Miura to rewrite the route to save it.
Behold, your salvation.


plot twist

his dick isn't censored by the big black bar that says censored

that is his dick

it's a tattoo0
 
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I didnt know that fate was adapted from a porn game before watching it but now its so obvious. All the characters are shallow, the female characters are all in love with Emiya for whatever reason, Emiya is a self insert useless character with plot armor... I was expecting ~super amazing~ art but it literally looks like a dating sim game. The fight scenes are barely impressive. Saber is the most bland female 'tough' character of all time
yea, she's even more bland than lightning and she can sprout a magic dick, true story breh.

another true story is that an adaptation for the Saber route was on brazzer.com it explains why Saber is all on Shirou's dick

Warning Big spoilers for the Saber adaptation!!
 
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Feaor said:
WrongPriest said:
Pretty much lol, A porn game is only as good as it's best sex scene. I don't know why anyone expected anything out of this show, the sex scenes were terrible.
If we don't get Toosaka's anus in HF, I'm going to riot.


HF had the most sex scenes so it's by default the best route. Although I do prefer

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Apr 2, 2015 2:10 AM

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Only shirou's fans have problem with this adaption.


They really wouldn't have any problems if people hated him after some actual CHARACTERIZATION.

Seriously what's a point of changing scenes that just to make the MC look stupid..........and this is done in several LN or VN adaptations.

^This

FSN is Shirou's story about Shirou from his point of view. He is centerpiece of every single plotline. NO SHIT ruining his characterization makes this a bad adaptation.
 
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In all seriousness?

More circlejerks, more people who think they know better than the creator himself.

And all that because they dont get the fav scenes/lines.

All you need to know about Shirou OR Rin or whatever char it is there in the anime.That people want unnecessary details that either have nothing to do with the chars's core and call this a failed adaptation is the most retarded thing I have ever seen.
What we see in Shirou in the ANIME without needing the VN.
We see him as capable in many situations, able to adapt to the situation quickly.
Traumatized by the fire.
We see that he adapted Kiritsugu's ideal and dream.
Knows that it is impossible but wants to deny that fact.
And those were shown several times.
What else of GREAT IMPORTANCE is there?
Oh right he trolls Rin 2 or 3 times per route...that is definitely a core part of his characterization about the ideal that would definitely make casuals love him and understand him on the spot.

Then you have them complain about Shirou looking stupid in the anime.Em he did look stupid in the VN as well, several times in all routes.I dont know what FSN fan fiction you guys read but Shirou isnt an alpha male that acts always in the most clever way.

Oh I am sure this will earn me only replies with no real arguments as I learned every other single time that I asked that.

The fucking Original Creator writes new scenes that "steal" time that could be spent on Shirou and the fans still pretend to know more than him as if he doesnt know if SHirou needs more scenes.

There are 3 people that cry a river about whatever happens even if it makes more sense than in the VN(Taiga Kidnapping) or *gasp* for Saber being the cover of the freaking OST.
The majority of fans either think that it could be better but still not a trainwreck or it is just fine.
The casuals love it as well.But then you have Fai being an asshole, putting words in their mouth as if he talked with every single one of them.

I wonder if those guys realize that they "bash" Shirou more with their imagination than what casuals actually do.
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Because the anime failed to entertain me. It was pretty and everything but I found it boring.
 
Apr 2, 2015 4:12 AM

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CookingPriest said:
Dragon_Slayer_X said:


They really wouldn't have any problems if people hated him after some actual CHARACTERIZATION.

Seriously what's a point of changing scenes that just to make the MC look stupid..........and this is done in several LN or VN adaptations.

^This

FSN is Shirou's story about Shirou's ideal from his point of view. His ideal is centerpiece of every single plotline. this adaption show that he's capable of pursuit his ideal. just because they change some scenes and not include his monologues doesn't makes this a bad adaptation.


Fix'ed
 
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Takiya_Oomine said:
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^This

FSN is Shirou's story about Shirou's ideal from his point of view. His ideal is centerpiece of every single plotline. this adaption show that he's capable of pursuit his ideal. just because they change some scenes and not include his monologues doesn't makes this a bad adaptation.


Fix'ed


Not really

His ideal itself is kind of generic deal. HOW his character is written and how he approaches that ideal is what is important. If you only have his ideal and not his characterization as opposite of shonen hero, NOBODY WILL GIVE A FUCK.

The anime only gives off a feeling of generic shonen hero. And a generic shonen hero dumb clueless kid who runs and screams with a sad backstory is still a generic shonen hero dumb clueless kid who runs and screams.


Lemme repost a reddit post:
]There are multiple problems with this adaptation that only became apparent after the first cour. Before that people either were hoping it would be included in latter episodes or were too "hyped" so they ignored the problems.

First of all, Shirou's portrayal. In VN, Shirou is the deconstruction of Shonen Hero. He has the ideals, but he is smart, calculating, snarky and otherwise realistic person. A lot of what he does shows his potential and that he is MORE than the stereotype he deconstructs. In the anime, sadly, most of that is missing completely. Due to things anime altered or changed(not even removed, we'll get to that), Shirou comes off as dense, oblivious, weak-willed and not really thinking.

Second of all, Shirou/Rin relationship. In VN, these two are like fire and ice. They have this dynamic back and forth between them where they are equals and take turns trolling each other and showcasing each others weakness. In anime, it is pretty much a generic emotionally unstable tsundere abusing a dense oblivious and passive guy who never talks back.

And before people jump at me with "haha monologues you want" strawman argument, most of stuff can be implied and some of stuff is not because of what was removed, but because of what was altered.

As an example: In VN:

What's with those eyes? What, are you going to stand up for Issei?
Heh, fine. If you're going to ignore the obvious, I'll go and solve things myself!"
But our school idol is the only one who does not realize the situation.
"……Tohsaka, come over here."
"What, are you going to run away!?"
"I won't run away. Just come this way."
I drag Tohsaka by her hand.
"HHey, Emiya-kun…!?"
She can complain later.
Just let me get away from here as fast as I can.

In Anime:

Rin drags clueless confused Shirou away to talk.

See the difference? And this is the SMALLEST scene. A lot of scenes like that are altered that could help with both Shirou/Rin relationship and Shirou characterization.

Third of all we have removed important exposition and lore that COULD help viewers get a grasp of what is going on: - Rin's comments about Church and what it represents and can do. (A lot of first time viewers are outright confused what is Kirei's deal and why he is there at all and how a priest would protect those who leave the war) - Rin's and Shirou's comments about how MA handles those who break their rules(would reinforce Shirou insisting Saber not coming along to school as not that stupid of decision) - True Magic talk(helps to showcase why Caster is dangerous) - Shirou's analysis of Caster at the temple(connects to the first problem and also explains why Shirou felt it is hopeless in taiganapping) - Projection explanation(first time viewers don't get it beyond "that special power of Archer") And more. A lot of it helps to contextualize WHAT is going on and WHY, especially in second half. Of course I am not saying to keep ENTIRE Infodumps, but important lines should have been kept and the lines Miura CHOSE to be kept explain nothing.

And last of all we have lack of cinematographic tone-setting - SOME scenes have it, but most of them fail to portray HOW Shirou feels, not telling the story from his point of view(ex: Temple, Boundary Field, Taiganapping, etc). We are lacking the psychological aspect of DEPICTING the atmosphere that Shirou feels. Its as if we are watching him from the side, instead of through his eyes(which is as it should be since he is the protagonist and we are SUPPOSED to see the story through his eyes)

Sure the things that actually MAKE people like character are "tiny aspects". Sorry, not buying that.

A lot of what makes Shirou into Shirou and what makes readers side with him in various events like the Taiganapping is that the character is made likeable and intelligent.

He is not portrayed as bumbling fool, he is portrayed as smart and calculating and as someone who can hold his ground againt Rin verbally.

Removing that not only changes the perception of the character making people hate him more(because bumbling dense idiot who does not think is way more hateable than snarky calculating thinking person), but also alters the whole basis of Shirou/Rin relationship in the wrong way, making it look way more generic and one-sided.

"Character-arc" is way more than "the main point" of the character(even that is altered with how we perceive Shirou now with VN knowledge compared to anime-only viewers), there's way more to Shirou's character than just his distortion and diminishing his character to JUST his distortion makes him no different than thousands of "generic shonen protagonists with tragic backstories".

As some anime only viewer said me once during ufoUBW run "I get that he is broken mentally somehow, but why should I care? He is still unlikeable and generic character who makes idiotic choices".

And that's where the problem with character representation comes.

FSN is Shirou's story about Shirou. It requires you to like Shirou and understand him.

If that can't be achieved... If Shirou that is represented in anime is completely more shallow character... If Shirou that is represented in anime is hateable and generic and dense instead of likeable, smart and complex... Then whole UBW plot falls apart.

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