Takiya_Oomine said:CookingPriest said:
^This
FSN is Shirou's story about Shirou's ideal from his point of view. His ideal is centerpiece of every single plotline. this adaption show that he's capable of pursuit his ideal. just because they change some scenes and not include his monologues doesn't makes this a bad adaptation.
Fix'ed
Not really
His ideal itself is kind of generic deal. HOW his character is written and how he approaches that ideal is what is important. If you only have his ideal and not his characterization as opposite of shonen hero, NOBODY WILL GIVE A FUCK.
The anime only gives off a feeling of generic shonen hero. And a generic shonen hero dumb clueless kid who runs and screams with a sad backstory is still a generic shonen hero dumb clueless kid who runs and screams.
Lemme repost a reddit post:
]There are multiple problems with this adaptation that only became apparent after the first cour. Before that people either were hoping it would be included in latter episodes or were too "hyped" so they ignored the problems.
First of all, Shirou's portrayal. In VN, Shirou is the deconstruction of Shonen Hero. He has the ideals, but he is smart, calculating, snarky and otherwise realistic person. A lot of what he does shows his potential and that he is MORE than the stereotype he deconstructs. In the anime, sadly, most of that is missing completely. Due to things anime altered or changed(not even removed, we'll get to that), Shirou comes off as dense, oblivious, weak-willed and not really thinking.
Second of all, Shirou/Rin relationship. In VN, these two are like fire and ice. They have this dynamic back and forth between them where they are equals and take turns trolling each other and showcasing each others weakness. In anime, it is pretty much a generic emotionally unstable tsundere abusing a dense oblivious and passive guy who never talks back.
And before people jump at me with "haha monologues you want" strawman argument, most of stuff can be implied and some of stuff is not because of what was removed, but because of what was altered.
As an example: In VN:
What's with those eyes? What, are you going to stand up for Issei?
Heh, fine. If you're going to ignore the obvious, I'll go and solve things myself!"
But our school idol is the only one who does not realize the situation.
"……Tohsaka, come over here."
"What, are you going to run away!?"
"I won't run away. Just come this way."
I drag Tohsaka by her hand.
"HHey, Emiya-kun…!?"
She can complain later.
Just let me get away from here as fast as I can.
In Anime:
Rin drags clueless confused Shirou away to talk.
See the difference? And this is the SMALLEST scene. A lot of scenes like that are altered that could help with both Shirou/Rin relationship and Shirou characterization.
Third of all we have removed important exposition and lore that COULD help viewers get a grasp of what is going on: - Rin's comments about Church and what it represents and can do. (A lot of first time viewers are outright confused what is Kirei's deal and why he is there at all and how a priest would protect those who leave the war) - Rin's and Shirou's comments about how MA handles those who break their rules(would reinforce Shirou insisting Saber not coming along to school as not that stupid of decision) - True Magic talk(helps to showcase why Caster is dangerous) - Shirou's analysis of Caster at the temple(connects to the first problem and also explains why Shirou felt it is hopeless in taiganapping) - Projection explanation(first time viewers don't get it beyond "that special power of Archer") And more. A lot of it helps to contextualize WHAT is going on and WHY, especially in second half. Of course I am not saying to keep ENTIRE Infodumps, but important lines should have been kept and the lines Miura CHOSE to be kept explain nothing.
And last of all we have lack of cinematographic tone-setting - SOME scenes have it, but most of them fail to portray HOW Shirou feels, not telling the story from his point of view(ex: Temple, Boundary Field, Taiganapping, etc). We are lacking the psychological aspect of DEPICTING the atmosphere that Shirou feels. Its as if we are watching him from the side, instead of through his eyes(which is as it should be since he is the protagonist and we are SUPPOSED to see the story through his eyes)
Sure the things that actually MAKE people like character are "tiny aspects". Sorry, not buying that.
A lot of what makes Shirou into Shirou and what makes readers side with him in various events like the Taiganapping is that the character is made likeable and intelligent.
He is not portrayed as bumbling fool, he is portrayed as smart and calculating and as someone who can hold his ground againt Rin verbally.
Removing that not only changes the perception of the character making people hate him more(because bumbling dense idiot who does not think is way more hateable than snarky calculating thinking person), but also alters the whole basis of Shirou/Rin relationship in the wrong way, making it look way more generic and one-sided.
"Character-arc" is way more than "the main point" of the character(even that is altered with how we perceive Shirou now with VN knowledge compared to anime-only viewers), there's way more to Shirou's character than just his distortion and diminishing his character to JUST his distortion makes him no different than thousands of "generic shonen protagonists with tragic backstories".
As some anime only viewer said me once during ufoUBW run "I get that he is broken mentally somehow, but why should I care? He is still unlikeable and generic character who makes idiotic choices".
And that's where the problem with character representation comes.
FSN is Shirou's story about Shirou. It requires you to like Shirou and understand him.
If that can't be achieved... If Shirou that is represented in anime is completely more shallow character... If Shirou that is represented in anime is hateable and generic and dense instead of likeable, smart and complex... Then whole UBW plot falls apart.
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