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Jul 30, 2014 9:10 AM
#51
mosaic said: mayukachan said: mosaic said: More delusional homo material to fujoshis droll all over it. We will never have a decent shonen-ai anime. Never. Love Stage? Do you really think a cookie cutter comedy with effeminate males is decent? Maybe you didn't realize it yet but... yaoi/shounen-ai are made for WOMEN BY WOMEN! If you want some manly gay stuff, it's of course definitely not for you!!!!!!!!!!! Some yaoi/shounen-ai have more manly guys, but it's still written for women (even if some mangaka are men, they usually (always?) use an woman pen-name!) And for the no happy people, why are you here in the first place? And for the people no happy about the choice... even if I'm agree with you (a lot of better BL mangaka should also have a series and I still want more "Saigo no Doa wo shimeru" adaptation or "Kinou nani tabeta", "Silver Diamond"...), did you even buy DVD/BD in Japan? probably not... if Japanese girls buy it, so they will do it... everything is business!! So for now, just enjoy new BL (hope for not much of Terrorist -_-') and think the few years earlier we didn't even expect to have a full BL series!!!! |
Jul 30, 2014 9:12 AM
#52
................ Idk how to feel about this, but I hope Terrorist gets more screentime |
Jul 30, 2014 9:12 AM
#53
mosaic said: We will never have a decent shonen-ai anime. Never. I still wait for the anime equivalent of Brokeback Mountain. I doubt I will ever see it. |
Steel Ball Run anime when? |
Jul 30, 2014 9:32 AM
#54
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?????????!!!!!!!!!! OMFG asdfghjkl So happy ;__; |
Jul 30, 2014 9:32 AM
#55
I'm fairly disappointed this is getting a third season rather than something better getting a FIRST season. Might watch it if I get really bored, like what happened with the other seasons, though I doubt it. |
Jul 30, 2014 9:51 AM
#56
xKiYoMiNaTiONx said: Saw this in the news feed, and was like... oh, wasn't this already mentioned? I automatically assumed that they were getting a 3rd season the minutes they said more animation for Junjou... though, the problem is... how will it be animated as the first two seasons were made before that "law" came into act in Japan. What is the "law"? I've been living under a rock |
Jul 30, 2014 9:52 AM
#57
Laciie said: You know.... I'd definitely never complain about LGBTQ+ rep in media but they could've chosen a manga waaay better than JR. Authors like Rihito Takarai or Koutetsuko Yamamoto are great authors and I'd love for one of their things to get animated instead of the same author everytime. I thought Eiki Eiki's manga getting an anime adaptation would break the cycle, but I guess not. Still keeping my fingers crossed, though. To my knowledge Honto Yajuu is fairly popular. The day when one of Takarai sensei's work gets an adaptation, is the day I will be in bishie heaven... Wait, scratch that... The day when one of Yoneda Kou's works gets an anime (not counting the movie that's getting produced), is when I will really be in absolute BL heaven. BUT, I'm still excited for Junjou season 3! Personally like Sekaiichi more though. :) |
Jul 30, 2014 10:29 AM
#58
I'm definitely happy about this. Can't wait! |
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Jul 30, 2014 10:50 AM
#59
I'm so happy! This is my favourite Bl anime! I can't wait to see it! |
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Jul 30, 2014 10:50 AM
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Jul 30, 2014 11:50 AM
#61
Wow awesome. I wish Sekaiichi Hatsukoi could get a season 3 too... Honto Yajuu and Super Lovers should get animes also |
Jul 30, 2014 11:56 AM
#62
Not the best BL anime out there, but i'm still excited for it! Can never get enough BL anime :3 |
Jul 30, 2014 12:42 PM
#63
Jul 30, 2014 12:56 PM
#64
Nayaaaah said: we finally get more pointy chins!!!1! Don't forget about those square chins. |
Jul 30, 2014 1:40 PM
#65
now i hope there will be news soon of a second season for sekaiichi hatsukoi!! im not complaining about this third season for junjou though at all ^^ |
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Jul 30, 2014 1:44 PM
#66
BriBri812 said: Seven Days and Hana No Mizo Shiru too pls.Wow awesome. I wish Sekaiichi Hatsukoi could get a season 3 too... Honto Yajuu and Super Lovers should get animes also mosaic said: mayukachan said: mosaic said: More delusional homo material to fujoshis droll all over it. We will never have a decent shonen-ai anime. Never. Love Stage? Do you really think a cookie cutter comedy with effeminate males is decent? It's decent, if we're comparing it to the other ones. I'm not a big fan of traps but Izumi is a likable character, a lot better than the other trap this season (from Himegoto). The comedy is well done, the pacing nice, it gives off a fresh romcom feel to it. |
VudisJul 31, 2014 9:19 AM
Jul 30, 2014 1:49 PM
#67
Oh, I'll be expecting this. I like this show particularly but I would like them to stop making Junjou Romantica anime and start adapting the other great BL mangas out there. |
Jul 30, 2014 2:30 PM
#68
I like Junjo Romantica but love Sekaiichi Hatsukoi(can't wait to see a third season), but what about other Yaoi? T_T I personally would love to see more anime adaptations of Hinako Takanaga's works(all we got was a 1 hour ova of Koisuru Boukun), mostly Little Butterfly, my most Favorite Yaoi. ^_^ |
Jul 30, 2014 3:00 PM
#69
I can think of authors and series more deserving of an adaptation but I guess this has already proven extremely marketable, so there's no need for them to take risks. Gah, I'll probably watch it. |
Jul 30, 2014 4:34 PM
#70
This just made my day 293802x better |
Jul 30, 2014 4:36 PM
#71
Holy censor due to a lot of swearing I thought the voice actor for Misaki was done voice acting him? Or are we going to get different voice actors? |
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Jul 30, 2014 5:50 PM
#72
Want a third season of Sekaiichi Hatsukoi instead, want more Kou x Kisa. |
Jul 30, 2014 6:12 PM
#73
mayukachan said: BriBri812 said: Seven Days and Hana No Mizo Shiru too pls.Wow awesome. I wish Sekaiichi Hatsukoi could get a season 3 too... Honto Yajuu and Super Lovers should get animes also mosaic said: mayukachan said: mosaic said: More delusional homo material to fujoshis droll all over it. We will never have a decent shonen-ai anime. Never. Love Stage? Do you really think a cookie cutter comedy with effeminate males is decent? It's decent, if we're comparing it to the other ones. I'm not a big fan of traps but Izumi is a likable character, a lot better than the other trap this season (from Himegoto). The comedy is well done, the pacing nice, it gives off a fresh romcom feel to it. I quoted all of this to say "YES YES YES ME TOO!!!!!!!!!!" to Seven Days. ❤ I love Seven Days so much. ❤ And on topic, YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so happy for another season of Junjou Romantica!!! :D |
VudisJul 31, 2014 9:22 AM
Jul 30, 2014 7:07 PM
#74
This is good news! I finished watching both seasons in April, so it is awesome that there is going to be a third season. Des said: Want a third season of Sekaiichi Hatsukoi instead, want more Kou x Kisa. Kou x Kisa is my favorite couple from SH even though they had the least amount of screen time. :( |
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Jul 30, 2014 8:06 PM
#75
Jul 30, 2014 8:12 PM
#76
Jul 30, 2014 8:26 PM
#77
Pretty excited! Hopefully Takarai Rihito's works will be adapted with this whole BL anime craze happening recently, her stories are so amazing and I feel they will attract a lot of viewers. Although I'm happy about the third season I sort of want different material from other mangakas, I feel that I can count the amount of BL anime on my fingers zzzz... |
Jul 30, 2014 8:38 PM
#78
welp, watchin' cuz I watched first two seasons. Doesn't mean I'll love it. Probably will buy it like I did last two seasons as well. |
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Jul 31, 2014 12:08 AM
#79
Yay! I'm so happy right now :'D It was my first yaoi anime so... |
Jul 31, 2014 1:12 AM
#80
I wish I still cared about this stuff :| It's just going to be more "cute" rape, denial and uke/seme stuff. ;c |
Jul 31, 2014 1:50 AM
#81
Jul 31, 2014 2:03 AM
#82
RyouMarufuji said: Uh always the same yaoi mangaka -__- Because she is not the same as all the authors. Other authors want Yaoi not shounen Ai, she allow her anime to be censored now because she want all the people to watch it not like the other mangaka. |
Jul 31, 2014 2:23 AM
#83
Frost_Kiss said: I have to say that I have no freaking idea what you're trying to say in this response.RyouMarufuji said: Uh always the same yaoi mangaka -__- Because she is not the same as all the authors. Other authors want Yaoi not shounen Ai, she allow her anime to be censored now because she want all the people to watch it not like the other mangaka. |
Jul 31, 2014 2:28 AM
#84
YumeHunter said: Frost_Kiss said: I have to say that I have no freaking idea what you're trying to say in this response.RyouMarufuji said: Uh always the same yaoi mangaka -__- Because she is not the same as all the authors. Other authors want Yaoi not shounen Ai, she allow her anime to be censored now because she want all the people to watch it not like the other mangaka. The only reason why Nakamura sensei works is getting animated because Reasons 1) Censored 2) Great stories ( Her art is changed xD) 3) Getting more money. That's why. |
Jul 31, 2014 4:44 AM
#85
Frost_Kiss said: YumeHunter said: Frost_Kiss said: RyouMarufuji said: Uh always the same yaoi mangaka -__- Because she is not the same as all the authors. Other authors want Yaoi not shounen Ai, she allow her anime to be censored now because she want all the people to watch it not like the other mangaka. The only reason why Nakamura sensei works is getting animated because Reasons 1) Censored 2) Great stories ( Her art is changed xD) 3) Getting more money. That's why. If "great stories" is synonymous to "stories built around rape or sexual harassment" then sure because while in Sekaiichi Hatsukoi I don't think the guy who's the top goes as far as raping him, however sexually harassing the guy he likes, in JR Akihiko goes straight to raping Misaki despite Misaki blatantly refusing anyways. Sounds pretty disgusting to me. I just can't take couples like this seriously. That is not how it would work in real life. The other couples are just a bit more interesting and I might watch this solely for them. There are so many more BL stories that don't use rape as some kind of stupid trope for the two to fall in love with each other and those unfortunately never get a chance. In Love Stage! Ryouma tried to atone for what he did and obviously something like that can't get excused but one thing I like about that show is how they handle matters like that. Izumi did not fall in love with Ryouma by being sexually assaulted by him, he was scared of Ryouma even after Ryouma apologized but decided to give him one more opportunity to prove himself. While I prefer that they had never had that instance of assault in the first place I think it's much better than it falling back to the typical "rape is love" trope. Anyways like I said there are so many other BL stories that portray healthy relationships that are not this mangaka's (something like Rutta and Kodama is never gonna be adapted, sadly, and well it's not ongoing either so what are the chances) and it's just sad that those never see the light of the day. |
Jul 31, 2014 5:10 AM
#86
Laciie said: Rutta to Kodama would've probably had the chance since it was published in Kadokawa Shoten(JR, LS! and Hybrid Child) but it sadly ended. But Kadokawa Shoten also publishes Super Lovers so it should have quite a good chance of getting anime since Hakkenden got an anime adaptation. Though I would love to see GUSH step up and give us anime adaptation of Honto Yajuu since Koi Suru Boukun got an OVA adaptation.Anyways like I said there are so many other BL stories that portray healthy relationships that are not this mangaka's (something like Rutta and Kodama is never gonna be adapted, sadly, and well it's not ongoing either so what are the chances) and it's just sad that those never see the light of the day. |
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Jul 31, 2014 5:37 AM
#87
YumeHunter said: Laciie said: Rutta to Kodama would've probably had the chance since it was published in Kadokawa Shoten(JR, LS! and Hybrid Child) but it sadly ended. But Kadokawa Shoten also publishes Super Lovers so it should have quite a good chance of getting anime since Hakkenden got an anime adaptation. Though I would love to see GUSH step up and give us anime adaptation of Honto Yajuu since Koi Suru Boukun got an OVA adaptation.Anyways like I said there are so many other BL stories that portray healthy relationships that are not this mangaka's (something like Rutta and Kodama is never gonna be adapted, sadly, and well it's not ongoing either so what are the chances) and it's just sad that those never see the light of the day. Yeah it's really too bad Rutta to Kodama is such a good example of what the BL genre could be without making rape into a trope. I'm actually amazed something like KSB got an OVA instead of Honto Yajuu. Is KSB more popular?? |
Jul 31, 2014 5:44 AM
#88
Ikano said: I'm surprised. I thought Sakurai didn't want to be involved in this anymore? (hence one of the reasons a 3rd season never came...) I don't think those two are related. Sakurai has retired from BL but he's still playing Misaki in any JR sequels cos of contract. |
Jul 31, 2014 6:06 AM
#89
Laciie said: Well KSB OVAs came out in 2010 and KSB had already ran for 6 years and Honto Yajuu on the other hand had only ran for 2 years so I do think KSB was more popular back then(but I may be wrong since I don't have any proof). But now KSB is finished and Honto Yajuu is still going strong so it should have one of the best chances of getting an anime adaptation.YumeHunter said: Laciie said: Anyways like I said there are so many other BL stories that portray healthy relationships that are not this mangaka's (something like Rutta and Kodama is never gonna be adapted, sadly, and well it's not ongoing either so what are the chances) and it's just sad that those never see the light of the day. Yeah it's really too bad Rutta to Kodama is such a good example of what the BL genre could be without making rape into a trope. I'm actually amazed something like KSB got an OVA instead of Honto Yajuu. Is KSB more popular?? |
Jul 31, 2014 6:33 AM
#90
YumeHunter said: Laciie said: Well KSB OVAs came out in 2010 and KSB had already ran for 6 years and Honto Yajuu on the other hand had only ran for 2 years so I do think KSB was more popular back then(but I may be wrong since I don't have any proof). But now KSB is finished and Honto Yajuu is still going strong so it should have one of the best chances of getting an anime adaptation.YumeHunter said: Laciie said: Rutta to Kodama would've probably had the chance since it was published in Kadokawa Shoten(JR, LS! and Hybrid Child) but it sadly ended. But Kadokawa Shoten also publishes Super Lovers so it should have quite a good chance of getting anime since Hakkenden got an anime adaptation. Though I would love to see GUSH step up and give us anime adaptation of Honto Yajuu since Koi Suru Boukun got an OVA adaptation.Anyways like I said there are so many other BL stories that portray healthy relationships that are not this mangaka's (something like Rutta and Kodama is never gonna be adapted, sadly, and well it's not ongoing either so what are the chances) and it's just sad that those never see the light of the day. Yeah it's really too bad Rutta to Kodama is such a good example of what the BL genre could be without making rape into a trope. I'm actually amazed something like KSB got an OVA instead of Honto Yajuu. Is KSB more popular?? Ah okay that makes sense! Well I'm praying that Honto Yajuu gets an adaptation. |
Jul 31, 2014 6:41 AM
#91
Laciie said: YumeHunter said: Laciie said: YumeHunter said: Laciie said: Rutta to Kodama would've probably had the chance since it was published in Kadokawa Shoten(JR, LS! and Hybrid Child) but it sadly ended. But Kadokawa Shoten also publishes Super Lovers so it should have quite a good chance of getting anime since Hakkenden got an anime adaptation. Though I would love to see GUSH step up and give us anime adaptation of Honto Yajuu since Koi Suru Boukun got an OVA adaptation.Anyways like I said there are so many other BL stories that portray healthy relationships that are not this mangaka's (something like Rutta and Kodama is never gonna be adapted, sadly, and well it's not ongoing either so what are the chances) and it's just sad that those never see the light of the day. Yeah it's really too bad Rutta to Kodama is such a good example of what the BL genre could be without making rape into a trope. I'm actually amazed something like KSB got an OVA instead of Honto Yajuu. Is KSB more popular?? Ah okay that makes sense! Well I'm praying that Honto Yajuu gets an adaptation. We are all praying Honto Yajuu gets an adaptation. We don't want any more JugJugs Romantica and its typical yaoi-rape-then-love tropes. I really hope HY gets an anime...then Kakihara can voice Aki again :D |
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Jul 31, 2014 6:53 AM
#92
@above post: I don't want to stir up the argument even more, but......No, it's still sexual harassment either way. Even if it felt good for the character, he was still opposed with it. Junjou may be exciting to watch, as a girl, but it's not a proper relationship by any means. kandiiyuutaamu said: Umm......if you go on the profile, he is actually a she. other than that, it really annoys me when no one comments on hating GL anime but is always the BL ones. :( M'bad. I was gonna use "they" but nah. Because there are more male otaku than female. Sadly. Laciie said: If "great stories" is synonymous to "stories built around rape or sexual harassment" then sure because while in Sekaiichi Hatsukoi I don't think the guy who's the top goes as far as raping him, however sexually harassing the guy he likes, in JR Akihiko goes straight to raping Misaki despite Misaki blatantly refusing anyways. Sounds pretty disgusting to me. I just can't take couples like this seriously. That is not how it would work in real life. The other couples are just a bit more interesting and I might watch this solely for them. There are so many more BL stories that don't use rape as some kind of stupid trope for the two to fall in love with each other and those unfortunately never get a chance. In Love Stage! Ryouma tried to atone for what he did and obviously something like that can't get excused but one thing I like about that show is how they handle matters like that. Izumi did not fall in love with Ryouma by being sexually assaulted by him, he was scared of Ryouma even after Ryouma apologized but decided to give him one more opportunity to prove himself. While I prefer that they had never had that instance of assault in the first place I think it's much better than it falling back to the typical "rape is love" trope. Anyways like I said there are so many other BL stories that portray healthy relationships that are not this mangaka's (something like Rutta and Kodama is never gonna be adapted, sadly, and well it's not ongoing either so what are the chances) and it's just sad that those never see the light of the day. THIS ^ |
Jul 31, 2014 7:07 AM
#93
mk64 said: So opposed he never complained it about and stated that he was never forced. Uh-uh. Did you actually bother to read? Also good thing I said the comic plays on a fantasy. Surely you know the point of fantasies is not to be realistic, yes? Doesn't mean that, as fantasies, they are not believable and good. I've only watched the anime, and he was saying "Stop it!" most of the time. :/ The argument here is that someone claimed that Junjou is considered a great story, which is not. It definitely is a fantasy wish-fulfillment type of anime for us girls but I would not consider it a good story at all. |
Jul 31, 2014 7:11 AM
#94
phoenixalia said: Regarding Love Stage!! and the prospect of other BL manga from different mangaka getting animated, I dunno, I mean, you can't just base things on Love Stage!! alone but it looks like it'll be about 1k~1.5k in sales. :/ Less than Sakura Trick volume 1 but that had an event ticket... It's a bad idea to use Amazon for sales pertaining to things aimed at women, or for things popular with women. We saw this with Free!, UtaPri, KNB and even Haikyuu!!, they were all underestimated because women bought them from stores that were not Amazon. Love Stage will probably sell terribly though, but it probably will not do 1k sales. |
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Jul 31, 2014 7:12 AM
#95
mk64 said: Laciie said: Frost_Kiss said: YumeHunter said: Frost_Kiss said: I have to say that I have no freaking idea what you're trying to say in this response.RyouMarufuji said: Uh always the same yaoi mangaka -__- Because she is not the same as all the authors. Other authors want Yaoi not shounen Ai, she allow her anime to be censored now because she want all the people to watch it not like the other mangaka. The only reason why Nakamura sensei works is getting animated because Reasons 1) Censored 2) Great stories ( Her art is changed xD) 3) Getting more money. That's why. If "great stories" is synonymous to "stories built around rape or sexual harassment" then sure because while in Sekaiichi Hatsukoi I don't think the guy who's the top goes as far as raping him, however sexually harassing the guy he likes, in JR Akihiko goes straight to raping Misaki despite Misaki blatantly refusing anyways. Sounds pretty disgusting to me. I just can't take couples like this seriously. That is not how it would work in real life. The other couples are just a bit more interesting and I might watch this solely for them. There are so many more BL stories that don't use rape as some kind of stupid trope for the two to fall in love with each other and those unfortunately never get a chance. In Love Stage! Ryouma tried to atone for what he did and obviously something like that can't get excused but one thing I like about that show is how they handle matters like that. Izumi did not fall in love with Ryouma by being sexually assaulted by him, he was scared of Ryouma even after Ryouma apologized but decided to give him one more opportunity to prove himself. While I prefer that they had never had that instance of assault in the first place I think it's much better than it falling back to the typical "rape is love" trope. Anyways like I said there are so many other BL stories that portray healthy relationships that are not this mangaka's (something like Rutta and Kodama is never gonna be adapted, sadly, and well it's not ongoing either so what are the chances) and it's just sad that those never see the light of the day. Akihiko rapes Misaki? First of all a handjob isn't rape according to the legal defintion, and then Misaki says that "it feels good" (page 26 on mangafox, certainly you know that rape doesn't "feel good", yes?) and THEN, page 50, Volume 8, chapter 2 - act 12 on mangafox, that no forcing ever occurred. Are you going to tell Misaki he's wrong now? He's an adult of healthy body and mind, I'm sure he can decide for himself whether he was forced or not. Please, don't bring up abuse or Stockholm Syndrome because I don't want you to make yourself look ridiculous by showing you how there's no condition here that allows abuse or Stockholm Syndrome to happen. No, wait; please do that because I can't wait to prove you wrong. That is not how it would work in real life? Good thing this deliciously smutty romance comic plays on an extremely common sexual fantasy for women, then. Please, read these links and educate yourself on the subject of female psychology and sexuality: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/magazine/25desire-t.html?pagewanted=all http://ravishment.wordpress.com/tag/rape/ But wait, I'll make it easier for you and copypaste the most interesting part: "Counselors are taught about “ravishment” fantasy which is what most women actually want. For the latest report (Bivona, J. and J. Critelli. “The Nature of Women’s Rape Fantasies: An Analysis of Prevalence, Frequency, and Contents,” Journal of Sex Research (2009) 46:33), psychologists at North Texas University asked 355 college women: How often have you fantasized being overpowered/forced/raped by a man/woman to have oral/vaginal/anal sex against your will? Sixty-two percent said they’d had at least one such fantasy. But responses varied depending on the terminology used. When asked about being “overpowered by a man,” 52 percent said they’d had that fantasy, the situation most typically depicted in women’s romance fiction. But when the term was “rape,” only 12 percent said they’d had the fantasy. These findings are in the same ballpark as previous reports. Rape fantasies can be either erotic or aversive. In erotic fantasies, the woman thinks: “I’m being taken and I enjoy it.” In aversive fantasies, she thinks: “I’m being forced and I hate it.” 45% of the women in the recent survey who had fantasies said that they were entirely erotic. 9 % were entirely aversive. Marta Meana, a psychology professor at the University of Nevada, offers an arguably more disturbing theory. She points to research suggesting that 1) “in comparison with men, women’s erotic fantasies center less on giving pleasure and more on getting it”; 2) “as measured by the frequency of fantasy, ************ and sexual activity, women have a lower sex drive than men”; and 3) “within long-term relationships, women are more likely than men to lose interest in sex.” These and other findings fit her theory that female desire is driven by “being desired.” So does reproductive logic, according to Chivers: [O]ne possibility is that instead of it being a go-out-there-and-get-it kind of sexuality, it’s more of a reactive process. If you have this dyad, and one part is pumped full of testosterone, is more interested in risk taking, is probably more aggressive, you’ve got a very strong motivational force. It wouldn’t make sense to have another similar force. You need something complementary. A symbolic scene ran through Meana’s talk of female lust: a woman pinned against an alley wall, being ravished. Here, in Meana’s vision, was an emblem of female heat. The ravisher is so overcome by a craving focused on this particular woman that he cannot contain himself; he transgresses societal codes in order to seize her, and she, feeling herself to be the unique object of his desire, is electrified by her own reactive charge and surrenders. … [Meana] spoke about the thrill of being wanted so much that the aggressor is willing to overpower, to take. Does this mean women want to be raped? No. Both theories assume the opposite. And that’s a pretty safe assumption, given the logical impossibility of willing a violation of your will. The challenge is to explain the data on rape fantasies and arousal from sexual assault, given that nobody literally wants to be raped. What part of rape or the idea of rape is arousing? And what part of the woman is aroused? The theory, which Meana frankly calls narcissism, posits a clear answer. We generally define rape as sex against the victim’s will. But a woman mentally aroused by a sexual assault fantasy isn’t thinking about the victim’s will. She’s thinking about the perpetrator’s. She’s imagining being wanted. That’s what she wants—and the fact that she wants it exposes the fantasy, by definition, as not really rape. The imaginary act arouses her not because the woman in the scenario doesn’t want it, but because the man does. It's dangerous to call things rape, that are not in fact rape, it sends out a message that somehow on some level people want and accept it." If you need me to cite you more parts because you refused to read, just ask! It's not a stupid trope at all. It's an extremely satisfying and harmless outlet for a lot of women's (and some men's too, I bet) sexual and romantic fantasies of being desired. You don't share the fantasy? Too bad, doesn't make it any less valid for those who do. Are you going to say that's "rape culture" and "harmful to society"? But it's not, no more than first-person shooters are murder culture and harmful to society. May I quote you what RAINN said: https://rainn.org/news-room/rainn-urges-white-house-task-force-to-overhaul-colleges-treatment-of-rape "In 16 pages of recommendations, RAINN urged the task focus to remain focused on the true cause of the problem. “In the last few years, there has been an unfortunate trend towards blaming “rape culture” for the extensive problem of sexual violence on campuses. While it is helpful to point out the systemic barriers to addressing the problem, it is important to not lose sight of a simple fact: Rape is caused not by cultural factors but by the conscious decisions, of a small percentage of the community, to commit a violent crime,” said the letter to the task force from RAINN’s president, Scott Berkowitz, and vice president for public policy, Rebecca O’Connor." I don't care for "healthy", I'm already in my 30s and I already know what's good and what's bad for me. What I want is a good, interesting, entertaining, fulfilling story, and Nakamura-sensei always delivers perfectly on that. I don't really care for any of the works you mentioned, for me they do absolutely nothing. The trope in most BL is: Seme forces uke into a sexual act, be it handjob, blowjob whatever the frack any other weird sexual things are, (usually) at first, the uke is confused and doesn't like it. THEN, maybe one chapter, maybe forty-hundred eight chapters later, the uke falls in love with the guy who forced him into a sexual act. Not necessarily rape, but whatever the hell i mentioned earlier. Let me tell you; The rape scene in Hyakujitsu no Bara made me uncomfortable. I'm not very squeamish anymore. I don't even flinch at stuff normal people would. But this scene made me uncomfortable. Just like how when a seme forces an uke into doing something makes me a bit uncomfortable. BUT, I'm pretty sure Taki didn't fall in love with Klaus right after he did that. Taki became a bitch. Rightfully so, I guess. But I stuck with Hyakujitsu. You know why? It has story. I like the characters. the art is stunning.The rape scene was actually kind of apart of Taki's character development, though I didn't like the scene. That recent scene in Love Stage!! made me a bit uncomfortable. I almost exited the tab I had it open in. But, I dropped the Love Stage!! manga as well... Its a common trope in this genre, and frankly, JR does it. Its not completely innocent. I read somewhere that Misaki STILL is iffy about Usagi. I get it; In real life, it takes a freaking long time to love someone. BUT, this isn't real life, this is a BL. No one wants to sit and read or watch some guy not declare his love for four hundred chapters when it is OBVIOUS he does. Sekaiichi Hatsukoi is a bit better. I like Takano and Ritsu's story the most; They are the only couple I like from SH. And quite frankly, probably the one I like most out of Nakamura's because...well, it's sort of different than the usual 'hey I just met you and this is crazy, but here's my number, so call me so we can do it one chapter into the story' I like Terrorist too. But Nakamura totally forgot she even had that couple. Why make three couples, if you only focus on one? But then again, I dropped Junjou Romantica MONTHS ago, so I don't know what's going on. I'll watch the new season, but there's no guarantee I'll like it. I just want an anime of Honto Yajuu already. I'm tired of seeing Nakamura's stuff get animated when half her characters look the same and her stories aren't that great. Even Otokogokoro should get animated. It deserves it. Dat art, and dat fluffiness is too much. Yes, most BL is aimed toward female fantasy, but the problem here is that Junjou doesn't really have a strong story. It uses lots of sex to fill the gaps. Oh, Misaki, you're angry at me? LET'S HAVE ANGRY BUTTSEX. And when he is sad, happy or just overall not in the mood as well. People are just saying they are tired of JR and the common tropes getting animated all the time, and want new, better BL. Mod Edit: Added spoiler tags; please spoiler huge quotes. |
VudisJul 31, 2014 9:30 AM
"Hey, assbutt!"—Castiel, Supernatural "Do you ever have a problem where you just don't know how to reply to an argument-- not because you don't know the answer, but you just don't where to begin? Like, the foundation of knowledge you'd need to impart to this person before you could even begin to drag them out of their sinkhole of ignorance would cost thousands of dollars, if it were coming from a University?" -MAL in a nutshell. |
Jul 31, 2014 7:30 AM
#96
^ this. Well said. Pretty much this: Yes, most BL is aimed toward female fantasy, but the problem here is that Junjou doesn't really have a strong story. It uses lots of sex to fill the gaps. Oh, Misaki, you're angry at me? LET'S HAVE ANGRY BUTTSEX. |
Jul 31, 2014 8:09 AM
#97
mk64 said: Did you people somehow miss all the musing and reflecting that goes on during the sex scenes? Anyway, Misaki isn't all that iffy about Usagi-san anymore. And I still stand that it has a strong story; outside of the sex it's the perfect combination of comedy and drama, and I like pace she set for the progress of their relationship, she manages to never make it or her characters unbelievable or uninteresting. Of course this is entirely subjective, but I don't mean this just for the main couple; I like all of Nakamura-sensei's works, including Sekaiichi and its couples, and the other two couples in Junjou too, but since it's only the main couple that gets unfairly attacked it's time that someone set things straight already. Works get adapted to anime when they sell. I'm sorry, but that's a law of any industry. Love Stage!! is already a weird case and I've been told people are speculating whether it was only made due to the author's family connections to the entertainment industry. I don't know how true that is; other posters have pointed out the anime is doing badly in preorders and the comic doesn't appear in top-selling lists like Nakamura's works do, at least to my knowledge, feel free to prove me wrong. If you hope for your favorite to be adapted, the first thing you should look at is see how much it sells, and don't forget that the Japanese make works for themselves. As Studio Deen writes, Junjou Romantica had already sold more than 3 million copies between Junjou Romantica (the comic) and Junai Romantica (the spin-off novels): 本作「純情ロマンチカ」コミックスと、作品内に登場する妄想小説を具現化させたルビー文庫「純愛ロマンチカ」シリーズも合わせ、現在シリーズ累計300万部を突破! And the anime was a huge commercial success too, you can find sales data at someanithing.com . I hate to say this, but no studio wants to lose money. ^^ THIS IS THE RIGHT COMMENT The only reason why junjou romantica is getting animated cuz people in japan love it more than all the BL manga. Makamura sensei story is masterpiece and heartwarming. Do not judge cuz ur fav BL manga didn't get animated. |
Jul 31, 2014 8:24 AM
#98
@mk64: For whatever reason the quote button isn't working for me so I'm just going to address you this way. I remembered it as rape but I guess I was wrong and I apologize for that (that is however not to say that she hasn't used rape in her stories before). Even if it felt good for him, he never consented to it. Not to mention Akihiko did it because he was "angry" or whatever. He still sexually assaulted him. Any sexual activity requires 100% consent before it happens. Also, when I said that "that's not how it works in real life" I meant that one does not typically fall in love/end up dating someone who sexually assaulted or raped them. That doesn't happen in real life, or that I've heard of anyways. I have read about how these fantasies work and I understand why women have them but I'm sorry it makes me really uncomfortable that the ukes are forced into a sexual situation a lot of the time. I don't deal well with sexual harassment/assault/rape. And again Nakamura HAS used rape before in SH with couple umm. Hatori and Chiaki. In the anime it was portrayed as a kiss but in the novels Hatori raped him. Alright so I think at this point it mostly comes down to taste, I find SH a lot better than I do JR and that too it's secondary couples more than the main one but ah well. I guess the trope works in the favour of those who have these fantasies but isn't it better to just provide intense sex scenes that aren't forced on the recipent?? Can't consensual sex do the same deed? I'm genuinely curious. And about sales I understand that and there's nothing I can do. Love Stage!! did rank once when the anime adaptation was announced but I haven't seen it since and I don't expect it to do well :/ sadly. Of course people will animate what does well commercially well, which is why I am really not surprised by her works being adapted time and again. |
Jul 31, 2014 9:00 AM
#99
uhuh....if you really bored/frustrated of why only Nakamura-sensei's manga got adapted to anime then go make petition so your fav titles get animated :/ too much fuss already. Sorry if i offend anyone tho ( for i am grateful to any BL manga get animated/get new season due to the situation/location i lived in) |
it doesn't matter how shit bishounen shows, deal with it~ xDD |
Jul 31, 2014 9:03 AM
#100
Frost_Kiss said: mk64 said: Did you people somehow miss all the musing and reflecting that goes on during the sex scenes? Anyway, Misaki isn't all that iffy about Usagi-san anymore. And I still stand that it has a strong story; outside of the sex it's the perfect combination of comedy and drama, and I like pace she set for the progress of their relationship, she manages to never make it or her characters unbelievable or uninteresting. Of course this is entirely subjective, but I don't mean this just for the main couple; I like all of Nakamura-sensei's works, including Sekaiichi and its couples, and the other two couples in Junjou too, but since it's only the main couple that gets unfairly attacked it's time that someone set things straight already. Works get adapted to anime when they sell. I'm sorry, but that's a law of any industry. Love Stage!! is already a weird case and I've been told people are speculating whether it was only made due to the author's family connections to the entertainment industry. I don't know how true that is; other posters have pointed out the anime is doing badly in preorders and the comic doesn't appear in top-selling lists like Nakamura's works do, at least to my knowledge, feel free to prove me wrong. If you hope for your favorite to be adapted, the first thing you should look at is see how much it sells, and don't forget that the Japanese make works for themselves. As Studio Deen writes, Junjou Romantica had already sold more than 3 million copies between Junjou Romantica (the comic) and Junai Romantica (the spin-off novels): 本作「純情ロマンチカ」コミックスと、作品内に登場する妄想小説を具現化させたルビー文庫「純愛ロマンチカ」シリーズも合わせ、現在シリーズ累計300万部を突破! And the anime was a huge commercial success too, you can find sales data at someanithing.com . I hate to say this, but no studio wants to lose money. ^^ THIS IS THE RIGHT COMMENT The only reason why junjou romantica is getting animated cuz people in japan love it more than all the BL manga. Makamura sensei story is masterpiece and heartwarming. Do not judge cuz ur fav BL manga didn't get animated. 'The only reason JR is getting animated is because people in Japan love it.' That doesn't mean it's good. Look at Twilight. It got, what, 4 movies? It's no where near good. Just because something sells well, doesn't mean it's good. But that is based on opinion. I'm not judging because my favorite manga didn't get animated. I'm judging because JR doesn't have a very strong story/characters. I know when something has a strong story and characters. I'm a writer-in progress. I remember, not necessarily as rape, but Usagi did force Misaki into it, correct? Again, I will have to re-read that chapter. Didn't Misaki not consent to it? If memory serves correctly, Usagi pinned Misaki down onto his bed, and Misaki didn't look like he enjoyed it very much. And to Laciie, Someone else wrote the novel for Chiaki and Hatori, if I remember correctly. I think Nakamura only did the art. But she still had a say whether or not she wanted that rape scene in it. That scene made me dislike that couple. I liked Hatori, but that scene sealed the deal. Again, why do most yaoi use the trope of 'force into love'? Why can't the seme be polite, kind and not overly aggressive? Every single yaoi I read, the seme is super angry, aggressive and is never polite to the uke. Out of all the yaoi I've read (and that's A LOT), Ueda from Honto Yajuu isn't aggressive unless someone hurts Aki. Endo too, wasn't overly aggressive to Hiriki either. He was bit rude, but not to him. Overall, you like JR, I don't. I'm tired of the usual force into love trope. It's always about opinions, so you can't do much with that. |
"Hey, assbutt!"—Castiel, Supernatural "Do you ever have a problem where you just don't know how to reply to an argument-- not because you don't know the answer, but you just don't where to begin? Like, the foundation of knowledge you'd need to impart to this person before you could even begin to drag them out of their sinkhole of ignorance would cost thousands of dollars, if it were coming from a University?" -MAL in a nutshell. |
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