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Imateria said: CCA does leave Amuro and Char as MIA, though the book Beltorchika's Children (which is how Tomino wanted the film to be before Bandai/Sunrise got in the way) makes it very clear they were dead, and it's confirmed in ep7 now as well. Full Frontal was a Cyber Newtype and he says as much when standing next to Laplace Box, that he's not Char but has his looks and memories. As for what Lalah says to FF, I get the feeling that the memories taken from Sazabi's Psychoframe constitute a part of Char's consciousness so I see it as retrieving the last of himself. What you said right there at the end makes a lot of sense. In hindsight (and I might've said this earlier) I'm pretty sure Full Frontal is a cyber newtype created by Neo Zeon sometime after the end of the Second Neo Zeon War. They were scrambling to keep themselves together, scrambling for leadership, scrambling for someone to fill the void that Char's demise left after CCA. So much like how they created Puru and Puru clones, using the surviving psychoframe from Char's Sazabi/cockpit (that held part of his collective will and memories after resonating with Char during the Axis Shock) Neo Zeon created Full Frontal. Because who better to lead Neo Zeon than the son of Zeon Deikun once again? On paper it'd be like Char never left. Char rallied the remnants of Zeon after the first Neo Zeon War to bring Neo Zeon back as a force so surely he could do it again (which he did as FF so to speak). So yeah I'm thinking Full Frontal at his core is a surviving slice of Char's consciousness retrieved from his psycho frame from CCA. A part of his consciousness that witnessed and is partly motivated by the fact that "the miracle" in CCA was almost completely done in vain. Amuro's actions and Char's ultimate fate in CCA changed nothing. It also makes quite a bit of sense to me to in regards to Full Frontal's last scene as well (if we're assuming he's dead/gone which imo seems like that case despite his physical body being unharmed iirc). As you said, in the end Full Frontal as one part of the whole of Char's consciousness returned to him. I do agree that Full Frontal and Char whilel SIMILAR also had some jarring differences in their characters. Again, for instance FF when his true colors gives almost an air of resentment towards the Earthnoids for their dismissal of the events of CCA and their refusal to change. With that in mind he's a surviving part of Char's consciousness. A part of his consciousness that was perhaps irritated/enraged (maybe even corrupted if you want to call it that) when it bore witness to the aftermath (or lack thereof) of the events of Char's Counterattack and just how willing people were to brush off such a miracle, unwilling to see the light within the human heart that Amuro sacrificed for. CCA should've opened humanity's eyes but in the end as Full Frontal said...nothing changed. |
Champloo_RemixMay 24, 2014 9:39 AM
skudoops said: Well there we go. I knew there were some kind of major pointers dropped along the way, but couldn't for the life of me remember them.Ckan said: Mineva says he was nothing but a man who was created in char's image to fulfill his role. In ep 5 or 6 (can't remember) full frontal speaks to zimmerman says something along the lines of "If char were alive today he may not be fully human" and Zimmerman seemed to understand what he was saying. Additionally Syam Vist called him the Ghost of Char rather than Char itself. Ghost in this instance can be used as a metaphor since Char is dead and full frontal is his "ghost" carrying out his will. Full frontal also said he was not sure whose thoughts were put into this artificial vessel. Vessel greatly implies, or imo flat out states that it isn't the real char. Much obliged. |
Champloo_Remix said: Imateria said: CCA does leave Amuro and Char as MIA, though the book Beltorchika's Children (which is how Tomino wanted the film to be before Bandai/Sunrise got in the way) makes it very clear they were dead, and it's confirmed in ep7 now as well. Full Frontal was a Cyber Newtype and he says as much when standing next to Laplace Box, that he's not Char but has his looks and memories. As for what Lalah says to FF, I get the feeling that the memories taken from Sazabi's Psychoframe constitute a part of Char's consciousness so I see it as retrieving the last of himself. What you said right there at the end makes a lot of sense. In hindsight (and I might've said this earlier) I'm pretty sure Full Frontal is a cyber newtype created by Neo Zeon sometime after the end of the Second Neo Zeon War. They were scrambling to keep themselves together, scrambling for leadership, scrambling for someone to fill the void that Char's demise left after CCA. So much like how they created Puru and Puru clones, using the surviving psychoframe from Char's Sazabi/cockpit (that held part of his collective will and memories after resonating with Char during the Axis Shock) Neo Zeon created Full Frontal. Because who better to lead Neo Zeon than the son of Zeon Deikun once again? On paper it'd be like Char never left. Char rallied the remnants of Zeon after the first Neo Zeon War to bring Neo Zeon back as a force so surely he could do it again (which he did as FF so to speak). So yeah I'm thinking Full Frontal at his core is a surviving slice of Char's consciousness retrieved from his psycho frame from CCA. A part of his consciousness that witnessed and is partly motivated by the fact that "the miracle" in CCA was almost completely done in vain. Amuro's actions and Char's ultimate fate in CCA changed nothing. It also makes quite a bit of sense to me to in regards to Full Frontal's last scene as well (if we're assuming he's dead/gone which imo seems like that case despite his physical body being unharmed iirc). As you said, in the end Full Frontal as one part of the whole of Char's consciousness returned to him. I do agree that Full Frontal and Char whilel SIMILAR also had some jarring differences in their characters. Again, for instance FF when his true colors gives almost an air of resentment towards the Earthnoids for their dismissal of the events of CCA and their refusal to change. With that in mind he's a surviving part of Char's consciousness. A part of his consciousness that was perhaps irritated/enraged (maybe even corrupted if you want to call it that) when it bore witness to the aftermath (or lack thereof) of the events of Char's Counterattack and just how willing people were to brush off such a miracle, unwilling to see the light within the human heart that Amuro sacrificed for. CCA should've opened humanity's eyes but in the end as Full Frontal said...nothing changed. Yep, though I reckon the memories come from before the final showdown, downloaded from the Sazabi on it's last reload as I wouldn't be surprised if the Saz and Nu ended up like the Neo Zeong did (wild speculation I know). I'm also willing to bet that woman that was hanging around Char throughout CCA is responsible, she was supposed to be some sort of Cyber Newtype specialist and obviously had a thing for Char (as do half the women he ever met!). |
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Ckan said: skudoops said: Well there we go. I knew there were some kind of major pointers dropped along the way, but couldn't for the life of me remember them.Ckan said: Mineva says he was nothing but a man who was created in char's image to fulfill his role. In ep 5 or 6 (can't remember) full frontal speaks to zimmerman says something along the lines of "If char were alive today he may not be fully human" and Zimmerman seemed to understand what he was saying. Additionally Syam Vist called him the Ghost of Char rather than Char itself. Ghost in this instance can be used as a metaphor since Char is dead and full frontal is his "ghost" carrying out his will. Full frontal also said he was not sure whose thoughts were put into this artificial vessel. Vessel greatly implies, or imo flat out states that it isn't the real char. Much obliged. Also just to add in, in episode 7 in Syam Vist's chamber after a bit of dialogue from Full Frontal explaining his beliefs Mineva retorts with "how do you know that's not just part of your programming?". That was one of the biggest red flags imo. |
| A solid ending to the finest piece of mecha porn known to man. I loved the references to all the previous Gundam series and the little voice cameos. I really look forward to Origin now. |
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| Just finished this today. Excellent series overall. Was refreshing to see an anime that had characters which didn't look or act like they were factory produced off an assembly line to market to the lowest common denominator. The mecha battles in this series were really something else. Really gotta hand it to the production values; the budget was well-spent here. I've never seen anything like it. That said, the ending started to get a little too ridiculous with metaphysical nonsense that seemed to just come out of left field and felt out of place. Maybe I just need to watch some of the older Gundam series to understand it, but from my current impressions, it looked like the series was previously more grounded in reality but it started to venture into fantasy territory with all the random shit that transpired between Full Frontal and Banagher's mobile suits. I mean, all of the sudden they were in this plane of existence that was emptiness or something and then they just appeared back in space and Full Frontal's mobile suit started disintegrating? I don't even know WTF happened. Would've just preferred a simple mobile suit duel to settle things myself... 9/10 for me. |
kingcity20 said: Oh for the love of -_- nvm gotta love MAL |
Imateria said: That's a very interesting and plausible theory. I completely forgot about Nanai Miguel. And yes, the memories of Char definitely came from Sazabi at the end of CCA. Unicorn confirmed the death of Amuro and Char in the events of CCA, who were previously considered MIA. On the subject of Full Frontal, he, most likely cyber-newtype, definitely houses the will of Char, and nothing more. It was stated outright in this episode, multiple times, that FF isn't Char. No debate there. MiniSiets said: Well, if you don’t want to leave it at an incomplete understanding, and have no interest in watching the other entries in the UC universe, read a few pages back on the discussion of Newtypes. It's not metaphysical nonsense. The Newtype stuff may seem to have come out of left field in the context of Unicorn superficially, but not in the wider context of Universal Century Gundam. |
MiniSiets said: That said, the ending started to get a little too ridiculous with metaphysical nonsense that seemed to just come out of left field and felt out of place. Maybe I just need to watch some of the older Gundam series to understand it Actually, it's a bit of a tradition that UC Gundam finales (Tomino ones anyway) end up being crazy Newtype magic battles. Being that this finale appeared to be paying quite a bit of tribute in particular to the original series and Char's Counterattack, I wasn't too surprised by what transpired. Although, some of it was really over the top and probably the whackiest Gundam finale yet. That said I'm not really a fan of this Newtype magic/psycho power stuff and it always feels like it comes out of nowhere, but it is what it is. Tomino is able to handle it a little better than what he got here though and usually doesn't go into full on batshit mode with it. Still, this OVA was an amazing ride that was more than worth it despite some goofy hijinks at the end. |
Kellhus said: MiniSiets said: That said, the ending started to get a little too ridiculous with metaphysical nonsense that seemed to just come out of left field and felt out of place. Maybe I just need to watch some of the older Gundam series to understand it Actually, it's a bit of a tradition that UC Gundam finales (Tomino ones anyway) end up being crazy Newtype magic battles. Being that this finale appeared to be paying quite a bit of tribute in particular to the original series and Char's Counterattack, I wasn't too surprised by what transpired. Although, some of it was really over the top and probably the whackiest Gundam finale yet. That said I'm not really a fan of this Newtype magic/psycho power stuff and it always feels like it comes out of nowhere, but it is what it is. Tomino is able to handle it a little better than what he got here though and usually doesn't go into full on batshit mode with it. Still, this OVA was an amazing ride that was more than worth it despite some goofy hijinks at the end. I was actually OK with the newtype stuff throughout most of the series because it didn't seem too overpowered and broken, and there was at least some sci-fi grounding and explanation for it that made it seem believable, but what happened in the last episode really stretched my suspension of disbelief with this interdimensional time traveling(?) silliness. They kinda just pulled a Madoka Magica and went completely batshit crazy. It's like they're trying to go for a more profound ending but in doing so it ends up anti-climactic and try-hard. I think part of my issue with it is that the magnitude of the situation just multiplied completely out of proportion to what the rest of the series was about. The thing is with a show like Gurren Lagann, while I had other issues with the series, I was not particularly bothered by the time they got to hurling galaxies at each other by the last episode because the scales were properly building up to it throughout the anime to reach that point. For Gundam, it just seems uncalled for. I mean even Gundam SEED for all its problems with boring plot points, lazy reused stock animations, and filler/recap episodes, it was able to deliver a more satisfying finale in this respect. I am not a fan of magic battles in my sci-fi, and I think regardless of whatever context the older series might provide when I get around to watching them, it's not going to excuse this for me. But these are mostly minor gripes in what was overall an impressive series. I really hope that more studios producing mecha can take a lesson from Gundam Unicorn with how to spend their production budget (less ugly CGI spam and more quality traditional animation PLEASE) and how to make non-stock characters (with the exception of Banagher, he was pretty cliche as far as main protagonists go). |
kingcity20 said: Oh for the love of -_- nvm gotta love MAL |
Kellhus said: That said I'm not really a fan of this Newtype magic/psycho power stuff and it always feels like it comes out of nowhere, but it is what it is. Comes out of nowhere?? It is pretty much the most prevalent thing in the entire UC series. Newtypes and their powers are mentioned in every episode many times, and their powers have been displayed many times as well. It's like everyone forgets about them despite newtypes being at the forefront of the entire series. And no, I would not say this is the craziest display of newtype powers. There have been scenes that easily rival this in some of the older UC series. |
| What a feel ending! After this year we have! Great and so much amazing episode. So sad it's end. Marida... So many dies... Sad. Im very satisfacted, great 9/10 for all! |
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| i love this gundam, the opening title really makes me smile widely. what i don't understand is why on the miracle scene i mean the green light event there is a lot of woman and kids with no clothes but the mask guy Banagher oldman is wearing clothes?? |
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| i find it funny that a lot of people here still found it hard to understand the peak capabilities of the newtypes, and how really "whacked" they were...and i should assume these same people had atleast watched some similar UC retro material, and to my disappointment they seem to fail recalling: Unicorn having "unbelievable" hand strength= see Judau Ashta operating his Zeta/ZZ for the lolz(?) Doing those whack "glowing robot" routines= see Kamille Bidan in his "Awakened" Zeta Those elaborate particles and colors= see Amuro Ray and his Nu gundam, self-explanatory Full Frontal doing timetravel= this is his attempt of doing a much detailed Scirocco "I will take you Kamille with me" Newtype Paralysis, but unlike Scirocco he failed, hence taking away himself alone to dust instead No matter how whacked it is, its still part of the factual Newtype-mythos plot/homage, thus deal with it~ |
sauteed_roaches said: From what I can tell, few of the people surprised by the powers have seen the older UC iterations.i find it funny that a lot of people here still found it hard to understand the peak capabilities of the newtypes, and how really "whacked" they were...and i should assume these same people had atleast watched some similar UC retro material, and to my disappointment they seem to fail recalling: About your comparisons though, I don't recall Scirocco's move being quite the same as to Full Frontal's time trip. |
sauteed_roaches said: i find it funny that a lot of people here still found it hard to understand the peak capabilities of the newtypes, and how really "whacked" they were...and i should assume these same people had atleast watched some similar UC retro material, and to my disappointment they seem to fail recalling: Unicorn having "unbelievable" hand strength= see Judau Ashta operating his Zeta/ZZ for the lolz(?) Doing those whack "glowing robot" routines= see Kamille Bidan in his "Awakened" Zeta Those elaborate particles and colors= see Amuro Ray and his Nu gundam, self-explanatory Full Frontal doing timetravel= this is his attempt of doing a much detailed Scirocco "I will take you Kamille with me" Newtype Paralysis, but unlike Scirocco he failed, hence taking away himself alone to dust instead No matter how whacked it is, its still part of the factual Newtype-mythos plot/homage, thus deal with it~ Same. I've said it several times before in this thread, but it seems people just conveniently forget about Newtypes until something big happens. Ckan said: From what I can tell, few of the people surprised by the powers have seen the older UC iterations. About your comparisons though, I don't recall Scirocco's move being quite the same as to Full Frontal's time trip. You talking about Scirocco's mind crush? That easily rivals this. Yes, the flashback to the past sequence was super flashy and impressive looking, but in the end it was fairly simple/not too crazy for newtype standards. Looking at it for what it is, they simply saw a vision of the past. Seeing the spirits of deceased newtypes is definitely more outlandish, if we are gonna compare newtype phenomena. |
Ckan said: About your comparisons though, I don't recall Scirocco's move being quite the same as to Full Frontal's time trip. |
sauteed_roachesMay 28, 2014 9:22 AM
| ^Ah, I see that's what you meant by it. |
| No Game No Life just passed Unicorn in rating.. LOL |
| To me, this series really suffered from being stretched out for FOUR YEARS. By the time the final episode finally arrived, I had pretty much forgotten everything about this show except the most major characters and that they were after something called 'LaPlace's Box', and I didn't give a crap about any of them. So the long, drawn-out emotional stuff bored me to to tears, and I didn't really care about any of the participants of the battles or who won. My enjoyment is further hindered by the fact that Unicorn is literally my very first Universal Century timeline Gundam anime, so I have zero investment in the universe, except to compare it to Gundam Wing and Gundam SEED (and frankly I like both of those better than what I've seen in Unicorn). I know what Newtypes are, at least in a general sense, but the whacked-out powers they showed in the final fight look pretty ridiculous. Didn't help that the characters were mostly boring and annoying, either. Definitely no Heeros or Duos in this cast. Hell, Full Frontal was my favorite character and he was the villain, so it's hard to root for someone who you know has to lose in the end. On the other hand, I honestly can't give the series less than a 7 based solely on how amazingly the space battles were animated. Mecha porn at its absolute finest. I was somewhat annoyed that the Gundam Unicorn managed to go the entire final battle, including going up against the Banshee and Char's super-mecha, without so much as a single scratch. Yeah yeah, 'Power of Feelings' and all that, yawn. I'm glad this series is finally over so I can put it in "Completed" and forget that it existed, except for the awesome Gundam battles. 7/10 |
Blind_GuardianMay 29, 2014 2:06 PM
| So Misty became Lalah? Anyone know who voiced Amuro? I kinda hoped they'd gotten Brad Swaile on the phone for that one line, oh well. |
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| Just finished this today and as a big Unicorn fan this was an amazing finish. However I only gave it 9/10 because I felt it jammed so much knowledge (that also may require older Gundam viewings to understand) that it may come out too complex for average people. Even me knowing a lot about Gundam has to rewind some dialogue. Probably my favorite Gundam character ever is Marida and her going out was terrible for me. But she made quite an impact so I'm glad at least she had some legacy. The scene did get me to tear up a bit.. Also, I loved seeing all the different Zeon mobile suits. I love the Zeon side a lot just because they get all these fancy suits that look so damn cool. The battle with Schuzrum Galluss was the best. Grappling hooks, melee weapons, chain mines, he has everything! I think he's a worthy spiritual successor to the Kampfer, one of the coolest Zeon suits in my opinion. Considering EVERY Gundam series ever made, I'd say Unicorn is hands down the best one. Art, design, music, story, quality, it has everything. I especially love the details on equipment (inside cockpits during battle) to add to "realism" if mobile suits were real. Some of my favorite scenes were seeing the insides of cockpits and their HUDs while in combat. |
GabranthMay 30, 2014 1:07 AM
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| I can spend 19 billion years praising this series for all it does right, but I'll just stop myself pre-emptivley and say only this This was one of the best shows ive had the privilege to watch, I'm not even second guessing the 10/10 this so rightfully deserves from me. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Raidriar said: Just finished this today and as a big Unicorn fan this was an amazing finish. However I only gave it 9/10 because I felt it jammed so much knowledge (that also may require older Gundam viewings to understand) that it may come out too complex for average people. Even me knowing a lot about Gundam has to rewind some dialogue. Probably my favorite Gundam character ever is Marida and her going out was terrible for me. But she made quite an impact so I'm glad at least she had some legacy. The scene did get me to tear up a bit.. Also, I loved seeing all the different Zeon mobile suits. I love the Zeon side a lot just because they get all these fancy suits that look so damn cool. The battle with Schuzrum Galluss was the best. Grappling hooks, melee weapons, chain mines, he has everything! I think he's a worthy spiritual successor to the Kampfer, one of the coolest Zeon suits in my opinion. Considering EVERY Gundam series ever made, I'd say Unicorn is hands down the best one. Art, design, music, story, quality, it has everything. I especially love the details on equipment (inside cockpits during battle) to add to "realism" if mobile suits were real. Some of my favorite scenes were seeing the insides of cockpits and their HUDs while in combat. Actually the Gallus-J/K/Schuzrum Gallus are successors to the Gouf rather than Kampfer. Agree with you about the Zeon suit designs, I'm in love with the Doven Wolf and was disappointed we didn't get to see it, though the Silver Bullet kind of made up for that, despite the rubbish pilot. |
sauteed_roaches said: No matter how whacked it is, its still part of the factual Newtype-mythos plot/homage, thus deal with it~ Why should anyone care just because there was a precedent for it in the mythos? That doesn't necessarily mean people have to like it anyway. |
kingcity20 said: Oh for the love of -_- nvm gotta love MAL |
MikelAL93 said: THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- After four years of waiting, the final episode of Unicorn is released and it takes flight on JP PSN. To me, it was four years worth the wait. Well worth the wait |
fdsfgs said: Did anyone else notice Quess's Jagd Doga got a repaint and a shoddy repair job? The Sleeves didn't even bother to restock its funnels. Yes I did, I wonder who was piloting it. And it had funnels, they were the first thing you saw of it. |
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ex_necross said: No Game No Life just passed Unicorn in rating.. LOL It's MAL and the big hyped show of the season with fans quite clearly trying to jack up its rating as far as possible while it's still hyped up so what did you expect? Fairy Tail 2014 has an even higher ranking and is rife with QUALITY animation and pacing issues so its not like it means much. Rankings on MAL to me are simply a reflection of how much hype a show is getting at a particular time and barely worth taking into account beyond that. Frankly I'm surprised Unicorn even ranks in the top 100 on a site like MAL. Its an OVA which barely get any attention compared to TV series that requires advanced knowledge of shows from the 80s to get the most out of so it probably just got the ranking through sheer production values and Sawano who also gets a lot of hype. |
Kaioshin_Sama said: Rankings on MAL to me are simply a reflection of how much hype a show is getting at a particular time and barely worth taking into account beyond that. Frankly I'm surprised Unicorn even ranks in the top 100 on a site like MAL. Its an OVA which barely get any attention compared to TV series that requires advanced knowledge of shows from the 80s to get the most out of so it probably just got the ranking through sheer production values and Sawano who also gets a lot of hype. Sadly, I have the feeing you're right on this one. Still, I think that even without the (what should be mandatory) knowledge of the previous Gundams, there's a lot to like in the concise, and relatively thoughtful storytelling of Unicorn (as opposed to a lot of the mediocrity that action anime often have when it comes to ideals/themes). Seeing the old Gundams gives you the "full experience" and better understanding, but it's not an absolute necessity; - they're just missing out on (the huge amount) of underlying continuity, countless references, and fanservice. Which of course, is a real shame, but we can't really expect new fans to want to slug through the 90+ episodes just to see the much-lauded Unicorn. |
CkanJun 1, 2014 10:56 PM
skudoops said: I 2nd all of this. Gundam unicorn is a masterpiece in my book for its storyline and excellent use of all the gundams before it to weave together this fitting epilogue to the universal century(Yeah i know theres still F91 and victory, but you know what i mean) The awesome animation and ost are just added bonuses to what is already a great series. Kaioshin_Sama said: ex_necross said: No Game No Life just passed Unicorn in rating.. LOL It's MAL and the big hyped show of the season with fans quite clearly trying to jack up its rating as far as possible while it's still hyped up so what did you expect? Fairy Tail 2014 has an even higher ranking and is rife with QUALITY animation and pacing issues so its not like it means much. Rankings on MAL to me are simply a reflection of how much hype a show is getting at a particular time and barely worth taking into account beyond that. Frankly I'm surprised Unicorn even ranks in the top 100 on a site like MAL. Its an OVA which barely get any attention compared to TV series that requires advanced knowledge of shows from the 80s to get the most out of so it probably just got the ranking through sheer production values and Sawano who also gets a lot of hype. Like I said earlier, it ranks in the top 100 because it's mostly gundam fans watching it. It's popularity is actually lower than stuff like Tex and SEL (its rank is one thousand something in terms of popularity). So it's not likely much of the MAL userbase is voting on it hence why the rating would be so high. Also like Ckan said, the show has more redeeming factors than the production values and I feel like you are dismissing many people who may have enjoyed other aspects of it (the story fairly straight forward until episode 7). Of course there are many who would fit your statement, but at the same time I'm sure there are non gundam fans who enjoyed the story along with the production values. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
parfaited said: I also 2nd all this, In particual about chars counterattack, i make it nossecret, i hate char's counterattack and think extremely low of it both as a gundam and as a stand alone story. Unicorn was so good and the way it used CCA to make the story it presented that i began to appreciate CCA....not like it mind you, fuck that movie, but i have begun to appreciate it and that takes skill to even slightly alter such a set in stone viewpoint such as mine towards CCAI've been trying to avoid commenting as much as possible on anything Gundam-related these days but I still wanted to offer my measly opinion here. Kaioshin_Sama said: Its an OVA which barely get any attention compared to TV series that requires advanced knowledge of shows from the 80s to get the most out of so it probably just got the ranking through sheer production values and Sawano who also gets a lot of hype. The high production values and the sound do help a lot. I can only thank the heavens when beautiful animation such as this graces my lowly mortal eyes. I know I wrote eyegasm somewhere but after I watched the final episode I found that Unicorn allowed me to other things like CCA and ZZ in a new light- an appreciative light. So while others might have seen an "underdeveloped" Banagher Links doing magical Newtype things in space (which he did do) I also saw a cleaner end and a thoughtful sendoff to other previous Gundam that I was not exactly happy with, and that felt extremely satisfying. Probably the most satisfaction i've felt in a long time. (Agreeing with what Jizzy said about it weaving the previous UC Gundam before it.) Ckan said: Seeing the old Gundams gives you the "full experience" and better understanding, but it's not an absolute necessity; - they're just missing out on (the huge amount) of underlying continuity, countless references, and fanservice. Which of course, is a real shame, but we can't really expect new fans to want to slug through the 90+ episodes just to see the much-lauded Unicorn. I know that if I hadn't watched the previous I would have probably said, Thus squandering the whole point of that scene. So yeah +1 for such candy animation, +1 for sound, but most importantly +10000000000 for actually making me care about other things before it that I was quick in dismissing. Last episode alone almost made me cry three times, I don't usually do that. I dig it. 10/10 why not. Fairy Tail and NGNL. T&A and loli pantsu, lol MAL ratings. Had i not seen the previous gundam's i also would had probably not thought anywhere near as highly of this as i do. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| A Masterpiece, no more words to describe this one. |
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| I will never understand the hate for CCA has been getting lately, seems like the most trivial things(Quess & Hathaway) in the movie hindered the enjoyment and story that the series prior to the movie has built up to. I honestly think it's much better than Unicorn. |
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Nope said: thats just a common complaint, not the only complaint. I hate the movie for a plethora of reasons but I'v already expressed many of them to you a while back, granted i have more and more as i looked back on it and see it as just a bad movie even when i take away any of its attachments to gundam, but then again this isnt a thread about CCA but rather unicorn so this is best saved for another day and place.I will never understand the hate for CCA has been getting lately, seems like the most trivial things(Quess & Hathaway) in the movie hindered the enjoyment and story that the series prior to the movie has built up to. I honestly think it's much better than Unicorn. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
parfaited said: A very unclear opinion and misunderstanding of a character you've been only following the series for. You can't blame me for trying to clear things up only to find out that a lot I've mentioned been covered in the series, but I can't blame you since Tominos way of directing can be 'weird' and a lot important information and hints get passed through nonchalantly.Nope said: I will never understand the hate for CCA has been getting lately, seems like the most trivial things(Quess & Hathaway) in the movie hindered the enjoyment and story that the series prior to the movie has built up to. Thanks for reminding me why never really want(ed) to comment on anything Gundam related ever again. Opinions. JizzyHitler said: Well I wouldn't mind some depth since I think what you mentioned was just mostly the format of it. And you brought it up.Nope said: thats just a common complaint, not the only complaint. I hate the movie for a plethora of reasons but I'v already expressed many of them to you a while back, granted i have more and more as i looked back on it and see it as just a bad movie even when i take away any of its attachments to gundam, but then again this isnt a thread about CCA but rather unicorn so this is best saved for another day and place.I will never understand the hate for CCA has been getting lately, seems like the most trivial things(Quess & Hathaway) in the movie hindered the enjoyment and story that the series prior to the movie has built up to. I honestly think it's much better than Unicorn. |
RX-782Jun 6, 2014 9:08 PM
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| Man the part where the two Unicorns just tank the colony laser to protect Laplace's box just perfectly encapsulates everything the Gundam is supposed to represent and do to me. I can't stop rewatching that scene. |
| Wow, I enjoyed every movie of this, it was really awesome >< |
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| Man this anime suuucked can't believe I waited all this time to watch this piece of crap. The whole reveal about what the box is was just idiotic. The part with Full Frontal and Banagher going through space and time was nonsensical. The combat was interesting but there wasn't much of it. You'd think if they were going to focus on the story instead of the action they'd actually have a interesting story. Also Riddhe is soo unlikable I really wish he didn't exist. I hate how they tried to act like he was ok now even after he killed Marida. Pretty bad anime wish I hadn't seen this. Wish they knew how to make a good gundam anime nowadays. |
Haytin said: Man this anime suuucked can't believe I waited all this time to watch this piece of crap. The whole reveal about what the box is was just idiotic. The part with Full Frontal and Banagher going through space and time was nonsensical. The combat was interesting but there wasn't much of it. You'd think if they were going to focus on the story instead of the action they'd actually have a interesting story. Also Riddhe is soo unlikable I really wish he didn't exist. I hate how they tried to act like he was ok now even after he killed Marida. Pretty bad anime wish I hadn't seen this. Wish they knew how to make a good gundam anime nowadays. You must be an AGE fan. |
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Nope said: I will never understand the hate for CCA has been getting lately, seems like the most trivial things(Quess & Hathaway) in the movie hindered the enjoyment and story that the series prior to the movie has built up to. I honestly think it's much better than Unicorn. Every Gundam work has it's phase where it's cool to hate on it and realistically it's hard to get a series that the internet will embrace for any significant period of time. Zeta Gundam is kind of like that now too after a lot of years of being seen as one of the strongest entries in the U.C canon is now often seen as complete boring irredeemable shit and other such derogatory things. Basically though if there's one thing I've noticed with anime fandom in general lately, the more ambitious the series and the more dramatic the tone the more a show opens itself to criticism and is in fact harshly criticized even if it's for IMO pretty bullshit reasons. This is why you need things like fanservice and otaku reference style comedy to keep people distracted nowadays and talking about other things so they don't have time to nitpick cause face it anime fandom is kind of dumb now and mainly out for the internet dramas and fads as opposed to the actual shows themselves and enjoying them or not. Also people love both strong absolutist opinions (So and so Gundam work is complete irredeemable shit) and parring pretty complicated and multi-threaded works down to one particular element they happened to not like and making it seem like that one thing embodies the entire work and makes it complete shit. For CCA I think the "subject" is now Quess and Hathaway's role and the idea of assassination on Char's character development. I've largely stopped putting any real stock into what people have to say about Gundam shows on the internet at this point (it's even getting to the point of all anime in general) anyway though cause it's often times flat out wrong if not just stupid, stubborn and utterly predictable. I mean I even hear about how Unicorn is complete irredeemable shit that was just "U.C fan wank" now that the last episode has aired like I totally knew I would because that's just how it works. It'll happen to Build Fighters after the second season too because regardless of what it does it will have "ruined a good thing by milking it" and there's really not much that can be done about it cause a lot of fan reactions are by and large set in stone before something even airs based on hype and the above mentioned parring down thing. |
PeacingOutJun 15, 2014 6:45 AM
| This episode, no this whole series, was incredible. Yet Maridas death soured it all for me. Throughout the series she became my favorite Gundam character ever. I loved it when she was saved in episode 5, and her depiction in episode 6. I was so hopeful that this crushed me throughout the whole episode god damnit. :( I'm still giving this series 9/10 for its incredible animation, its writing, its proper inclusion into the UC Universe and its many likable characters. |
SilberkralleJun 18, 2014 12:40 AM
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