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Pat_To_Do-List said: Again it was day time, fights don't happen in that time plus they had Saber with them.By going for a picnic in a middle of a war? Oh, and not just a war, a Holy Grail War. |
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DamnThatsTheSpot said: Shinji really caught Liz's halberd huh. 5/5 just for that. |
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| Last final minutes were really the old good parts I enjoyed this episode. Blond guy made the episode. [size=50]Wish I could say his name[/spoiler] |
TyrelApr 12, 2015 3:27 AM
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Zulkir said: chaosflame5 said: It's the directing then~ Like I said, same goes for that picnic scene, no monolgues means it looked like an insignificant scene. And we have to make them look like normal humans, so of course they require to eat, so it's not like they're having fun. Kirei's mapo tofu, my point is that, it's like one of those little characterisations of a character, it shows that he has some lighter side, so eating is one of them. I need to see the significance of that in the VN. Actually, anime has absolutely clearly stated the purpose of the date in the end of pre-date episode: so that Shirou learns to do something for his own joy and not some other people. That is explained in a 20-second scene at the end of the date, in the bus, and it in no way excuses the 11 minutes of nothing that preceeded it. Of course, if you liked those interactions, good for you. I didn't. If I create a 10-minute scene where a character just sits patiently, waiting for another person to show up, I may have shown a part of his personality, but the scene still blows. |
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Pat_To_Do-List said: Wars happen at night time like GARBrotato said. Day time is when normal people go with their daily activities. Grail Wars meant to be a secret ritual, so an exposure of that, well, I wonder how things will go, lol. So there would be scenes of stuff in the day time. They have to act normal or else there would be suspicions.But does one anime really needs to show the characters eating just make them look like normal humans? Surely people would not be so stupid & assume that they do not eat if the anime does not show them eating. |
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Lollo36 said: Zulkir said: Actually, anime has absolutely clearly stated the purpose of the date in the end of pre-date episode: so that Shirou learns to do something for his own joy and not some other people. That is explained in a 20-second scene at the end of the date, in the bus, and it in no way excuses the 11 minutes of nothing that preceeded it. Of course, if you liked those interactions, good for you. I didn't. If I create a 10-minute scene where a character just sits patiently, waiting for another person to show up, I may have shown a part of his personality, but the scene still blows. Not if its done well. A scene isn't just bad because of what it encompasses. Even the dumbest ideas can turn out good if written well, as proven by many anime over the years. And as mentioned below, the SOL scenes are important for what FSN is as a story. |
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Pat_To_Do-List said: chaosflame5 said: It's the directing then~ Like I said, same goes for that picnic scene, no monolgues means it looked like an insignificant scene. And we have to make them look like normal humans, so of course they require to eat, so it's not like they're having fun. Kirei's mapo tofu, my point is that, it's like one of those little characterisations of a character, it shows that he has some lighter side, so eating is one of them. I need to see the significance of that in the VN. But does one anime really needs to show the characters eating just make them look like normal humans? Surely people would not be so stupid & assume that they do not eat if the anime does not show them eating. Zulkir said: Actually, anime has absolutely clearly stated the purpose of the date in the end of pre-date episode: so that Shirou learns to do something for his own joy and not some other people. By going for a picnic in a middle of a war? Oh, and not just a war, a Holy Grail War. F/sn is not about grimdark and fighting, it is about keeping a balance between SoL and War and THAT is one of the reasons why a lot of people love it so much. Without it F/sn would no longer be F/sn and just some low-level grimdark shounen. And I would be in Fai's place now, if that happened in this adaptation, lol. Tl;dr: F/sn is not F/sn without a lot a food scenes. |
ZulkirApr 12, 2015 3:36 AM
| the episode was less better than (episode 13) , i'll admit that caster's background story was kinda boring in someways , her master was shitty and all but i liked lancer he was awesome .... anyway gil attack was so cool ! oh and that rin landing lol XD overall it was a good episode i give it 4/5 |
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Ketuekigami said: Not if its done well. A scene isn't just bad because of what it encompasses. Even the dumbest ideas can turn out good if written well, as proven by many anime over the years. And as mentioned below, the SOL scenes are important for what FSN is as a story. Let's suppose that the SoL scenes in FSN are actually entertaining, well-written and/or charming, and let's set this aside. How important is the date in the context of the story? The only new piece of information is the fact that Shirou feels guilty about having fun because of his past thrauma, and we only learn that in the bus at the end of the date (it takes 20 seconds). That's all the progress we have made in 13 minutes of screentime (I just checked). You could argue that the VN goes more in-depth, but I would answer that the scene in the VN is even longer. I'm interested in reading why the date scene is important to the story from your point of view. |
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Lollo36 said: The story is about Shirou.Those "20 secs"are the result of built up since the PREVIOUS EP.Yes it is important that Shirou cant fucking enjoy a summary of a date that would make any normal guy ,or even a girl, extremely happy.Ketuekigami said: Not if its done well. A scene isn't just bad because of what it encompasses. Even the dumbest ideas can turn out good if written well, as proven by many anime over the years. And as mentioned below, the SOL scenes are important for what FSN is as a story. Let's suppose that the SoL scenes in FSN are actually entertaining, well-written and/or charming, and let's set this aside. How important is the date in the context of the story? The only new piece of information is the fact that Shirou feels guilty about having fun because of his past thrauma, and we only learn that in the bus at the end of the date (it takes 20 seconds). That's all the progress we have made in 13 minutes of screentime (I just checked). You could argue that the VN goes more in-depth, but I would answer that the scene in the VN is even longer. I'm interested in reading why the date scene is important to the story from your point of view. |
GARBrotato said: Again it was day time, fights don't happen in that time plus they had Saber with them. So that means they could nonchalantly go for a picnic? That's illogical, but then again some say that's just how Rin is. Saber, as we both know, not that strong to fully protect them. As we have witnessed a few times. chaosflame5 said: Wars happen at night time like GARBrotato said. Day time is when normal people go with their daily activities. Grail Wars meant to be a secret ritual, so an exposure of that, well, I wonder how things will go, lol. So there would be scenes of stuff in the day time. They have to act normal or else there would be suspicions. Then just show us when they're doing something important in daytime, not when they're going for a picnic. For example, show us when they are learning more about the enemies, training, or maybe doing surveillance. Ketuekigami said: And as mentioned below, the SOL scenes are important for what FSN is as a story. Let's hope that you are right. Zulkir said: F/sn is not about grimdark and fighting, it is about keeping a balance between SoL and War and THAT is one of the reasons why a lot of people love it so much. Without it F/sn would no longer be F/sn and just some low-level grimdark shounen. And I would be in Fai's place now, if that happened in this adaptation, lol. Tl;dr: F/sn is not F/sn without a lot a food scenes. As a VN, maybe that's a good thing. But this is an anime. Those are two very different things. Not everything that works in a VN would work in an anime. And maybe those scenes are more well-made in the VN. So F/S N would be a worse narrative without those daily-life moments? Well . . . , for the anime adaptation, I disagree. |
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| WHY!!! Gilgamesh was just about to destroy Berserker and then they give us a MEGA cliffhanger!!! I really want to see Gilgamesh go in and utterly destroy Berserker. ~Great episode!!! |
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Pat_To_Do-List said: The picnic IS an important scene.And it has SHOWN them learning more about their enemies,training and planning so your complains are invalid.GARBrotato said: Again it was day time, fights don't happen in that time plus they had Saber with them. So that means they could nonchalantly go for a picnic? That's illogical, but then again some say that's just how Rin is. Saber, as we both know, not that strong to fully protect them. As we have witnessed a few times. chaosflame5 said: Wars happen at night time like GARBrotato said. Day time is when normal people go with their daily activities. Grail Wars meant to be a secret ritual, so an exposure of that, well, I wonder how things will go, lol. So there would be scenes of stuff in the day time. They have to act normal or else there would be suspicions. Then just show us when they're doing something important in daytime, not when they're going for a picnic. For example, show us when they are learning more about the enemies, training, or maybe doing surveillance. Ketuekigami said: And as mentioned below, the SOL scenes are important for what FSN is as a story. Let's hope that you are right. Zulkir said: F/sn is not about grimdark and fighting, it is about keeping a balance between SoL and War and THAT is one of the reasons why a lot of people love it so much. Without it F/sn would no longer be F/sn and just some low-level grimdark shounen. And I would be in Fai's place now, if that happened in this adaptation, lol. Tl;dr: F/sn is not F/sn without a lot a food scenes. As a VN, maybe that's a good thing. But this is an anime. Those are two very different things. Not everything that works in a VN would work in an anime. And maybe those scenes are more well-made in the VN. So F/S N would be a worse narrative without those daily-life moments? Well . . . , for the anime adaptation, I disagree. And Saber CAN protect them unless if they are attacked by Berserker or the Golden haired guy(who is an unknown factor).But both him and Ilya are clever enough to NOT attack in daytime in a place FULL of people.Fighting in secret is the basics of basics of the War.Why do you keep ignoring this. Any real reason why the anime CANt have those scenes or is it because you just dont like them? |
Pat_To_Do-List said: So F/S N would be a worse narrative without those daily-life moments? Well . . . , for the anime adaptation, I disagree. Those daily life moments are there to develop Shirou . FSN is not about grail war. It is about Shirou Removing them would mean removing even MORE Shirou's characterization than they already did for no reason at all. |
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Pat_To_Do-List said: The above post had already said it. It's not obvious in the anime that's all. That date/picnic scene is not only for Shirou to explore his mind by monolugues, which didn't show, but also, it's also to show that Shirou should consider himself for once instead of neglecting himself while save others.Then just show us when they're doing something important in daytime, not when they're going for a picnic. For example, show us when they are learning more about the enemies, training, or maybe doing surveillance. Pat_To_Do-List said: Saber is not as strong in this route, but in Fate route, she is strong.Saber, as we both know, not that strong to fully protect them. As we have witnessed a few times. CookingPriest said: ^ Indeed. F/SN is not to be combined with F/Z style-wise and story-wise. F/Z is a chapter or two from a history book, that's how people should treat it.Pat_To_Do-List said: So F/S N would be a worse narrative without those daily-life moments? Well . . . , for the anime adaptation, I disagree. Those daily life moments are there to develop Shirou . FSN is not about grail war. It is about Shirou Removing them would mean removing even MORE Shirou's characterization than they already did for no reason at all. |
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| Here he is the King of Heroes Gilgamesh, been waiting for him to get into action !!! |
ChromiumSX said: Here he is the King of Heroes Gilgamesh, been waiting for him to get into action !!! I approve of this spoiler trolling. |
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Lollo36 said: Zulkir said: Actually, anime has absolutely clearly stated the purpose of the date in the end of pre-date episode: so that Shirou learns to do something for his own joy and not some other people. That is explained in a 20-second scene at the end of the date, in the bus, and it in no way excuses the 11 minutes of nothing that preceeded it. Of course, if you liked those interactions, good for you. I didn't. If I create a 10-minute scene where a character just sits patiently, waiting for another person to show up, I may have shown a part of his personality, but the scene still blows. It was pretty relevant because shirou felt he didn't deserve it. |
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| A scene showing something important =/= a good scene. It's some of the issue I have with plenty of F/SN's scenes. Yes, they explain things and yes that's useful, but they aren't done in an interesting manner especially when you compare it to certain in my opinion superior works. That's why it's a terrible argument. Just because a scene explains something important doesn't mean it's a good scene. It just means it has a good purpose, a good inspiration to write the scene in the first place. Not that the scene itself is good. |
| "When they're alive, you can enjoy watching them struggle. When they're dead, you can enjoy tearing out their guts. Tales are things you get to enjoy twice." |
| I hope they present things in a similar way to kara no kyoukai with HF |
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| About the "Golden" hair guy. How is spoiling his identity even spoiler. It never gets revealed in UBW becuase you are already supposed to know it. For us VN readers UBW was meant to be seen after the Fate route and for the anime viewers after Zero. |
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Ragna92 said: About the "Golden" hair guy. How is spoiling his identity even spoiler. It never gets revealed in UBW becuase you are already supposed to know it. For us VN readers UBW was meant to be seen after the Fate route and for the anime viewers after Zero. Yup, and I definitely think that considering stuff that's known from the Fate route a spoiler is silly, for example once there was drama about revealing that Shinji's Servant was Rider. |
| "When they're alive, you can enjoy watching them struggle. When they're dead, you can enjoy tearing out their guts. Tales are things you get to enjoy twice." |
| Forum flame war continues -.-' Saber-chan bondage continues ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) That little part of Caster backstory was nice and kinda sad but she's still a sadistic bitch. She handled that El-Melloi prick quite well. Can't help but like Ilya and the way Rin flew was hilarious. Kinda sad that they couldn't talk. The dankest motherfucker appears, hello Gilgamesh. He rekt them without a sweat. Next episode will be amazing, two of the greatest fight. |
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| I enjoyed the episode, Gilgamesh OP as usual and shinji just pitiful as usual. Pumped for next weeks episode, i get the feeling it will probably be the best of the series yet |
| Decent episode I guess? The first part was a bit boring but the scene in Illya's castle made up for it. I can't wait for the battle of legend next week. So what exactly did Lancer do after entering the lab looking bored to death? |
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Ragna92 said: About the "Golden" hair guy. How is spoiling his identity even spoiler. It never gets revealed in UBW becuase you are already supposed to know it. For us VN readers UBW was meant to be seen after the Fate route and for the anime viewers after Zero. No it is revealed in UBW. Since there's no fate adaptation it is a spoiler. |
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Craftworld_MM said: That isnt El Melloi.That guy was talking about a magus that took part in the previous war.Forum flame war continues -.-' Saber-chan bondage continues ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) That little part of Caster backstory was nice and kinda sad but she's still a sadistic bitch. She handled that El-Melloi prick quite well. Can't help but like Ilya and the way Rin flew was hilarious. Kinda sad that they couldn't talk. The dankest motherfucker appears, hello Gilgamesh. He rekt them without a sweat. Next episode will be amazing, two of the greatest fight. -Riptide- said: He wasnt bored he just disliked his job,just like he did with Shirou.Decent episode I guess? The first part was a bit boring but the scene in Illya's castle made up for it. I can't wait for the battle of legend next week. So what exactly did Lancer do after entering the lab looking bored to death? You see Caster wounded in the forest.that must give you an idea. Gal3riel said: We dont even know if he is muslim...they used for once an "evil" musilm and everybody complains .-. |
| NO!!! THAT CLIFFHANGER! ;-; |
CookingPriest said: Ragna92 said: About the "Golden" hair guy. How is spoiling his identity even spoiler. It never gets revealed in UBW becuase you are already supposed to know it. For us VN readers UBW was meant to be seen after the Fate route and for the anime viewers after Zero. No it is revealed in UBW. Since there's no fate adaptation it is a spoiler. Will Saber's identity be a spoiler forever then? Othi-tan said: Gal3riel said: We dont even know if he is muslim...they used for once an "evil" musilm and everybody complains .-. As far as I know shariat laws do not allow more than 4 waifus in a harem. So he is probably not. |
Zulkir said: CookingPriest said: No it is revealed in UBW. Since there's no fate adaptation it is a spoiler. Will Saber's identity be a spoiler forever then? Technically her calling out her NP will count as reveal since it will be obvious as fuck. |
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Zulkir said: Othi-tan said: We dont even know if he is muslim... As far as I know shariat laws do not allow more than 4 waifus in a harem. So he is probably not. Lol the kind of person he was portrayed as, do you really think he would care about the sharia? |
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| It was a good episode I suppose. Though the fact that they completely ignored Shirou's confession was a tad bit disappointing. Oh well. Can't wait for next week's episode. |
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Zulkir said: Harems arent an arabic only thing either.CookingPriest said: No it is revealed in UBW. Since there's no fate adaptation it is a spoiler. Will Saber's identity be a spoiler forever then? Othi-tan said: We dont even know if he is muslim... As far as I know shariat laws do not allow more than 4 waifus in a harem. So he is probably not. He could be indian or anything actually. Gilgamesh looks like a Russian-American model ffs. |
| Gilgamesh rape mode soon? Can't wait to see that one sided fight. |
Narutotaku said: Dont worry.Nerfing OP chars is TM's strong point.Man, I hate how OP Gilgamesh is. Type-Moon plz nerf :V |
Othi-tan said: Zulkir said: Harems arent an arabic only thing either.Will Saber's identity be a spoiler forever then? As far as I know shariat laws do not allow more than 4 waifus in a harem. So he is probably not. He could be indian or anything actually. Gilgamesh looks like a Russian-American model ffs. Amusingly enough, that harem dude would look more similar to the Gil in The Epic of Gilgamesh than the Gil we all know and love. |
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OneTrueEmiya said: Othi-tan said: Harems arent an arabic only thing either. He could be indian or anything actually. Gilgamesh looks like a Russian-American model ffs. Amusingly enough, that harem dude would look more similar to the Gil in The Epic of Gilgamesh than the Gil we all know and love. He looks more Middle-Eastern, for one. Gil looks European. |
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Ragna92 said: About the "Golden" hair guy. How is spoiling his identity even spoiler. It never gets revealed in UBW becuase you are already supposed to know it. For us VN readers UBW was meant to be seen after the Fate route and for the anime viewers after Zero. Except it does get revealed in UBW. |
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nocorras said: Ragna92 said: About the "Golden" hair guy. How is spoiling his identity even spoiler. It never gets revealed in UBW becuase you are already supposed to know it. For us VN readers UBW was meant to be seen after the Fate route and for the anime viewers after Zero. Except it does get revealed in UBW. I think next episode or the one after, whichever has him boasting about himself and whatnot. |
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nocorras said: Ragna92 said: About the "Golden" hair guy. How is spoiling his identity even spoiler. It never gets revealed in UBW becuase you are already supposed to know it. For us VN readers UBW was meant to be seen after the Fate route and for the anime viewers after Zero. Except it does get revealed in UBW. "becuase you are already supposed to know it" I trust Ufo not to make an already "non-VN reader unfriendly" adaptation even worse. |
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simbee said: nocorras said: Except it does get revealed in UBW. "becuase you are already supposed to know it" I trust Ufo not to make an already "non-VN reader unfriendly" adaptation even worse. I don't even see what your deal is. It gets revealed in UBW, that's all there is to it, it doesn't matter if you're already supposed to know it. It changes pretty much nothing. |
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nocorras said: simbee said: "becuase you are already supposed to know it" I trust Ufo not to make an already "non-VN reader unfriendly" adaptation even worse. I don't even see what your deal is. It gets revealed in UBW, that's all there is to it, it doesn't matter if you're already supposed to know it. It changes pretty much nothing. Hmmm I'm stating that it probably is gonna be revealed in this adaptation. |
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| Jesus, 19 pages already. This episode was amazing.  New wallpaper much? They made a death scene so pretty. Gil is eye candy as always. I don't care if he's evil, he is HOT. Rin gets sent flying again 2 episodes in a row (lmao). Caster gets an although rushed, but nice, SUFFERING backstory. Good character development. Illiya was cute and she's going to go full rage mode next episode, can't wait to see that. Kinda glad I saw no Archer in this episode because he's annoying as fuck. Great episode, can't wait a week. Also, trolls really need to stop spoiling shit for people who have legit not read the visual novel and are new to F/SN UBW. It is really getting annoying. No one cares that you know one more piece of information and you feel the need to ruin the excitement for others. You are unnecessary. |
CandeloroApr 12, 2015 7:56 AM
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simbee said: nocorras said: I don't even see what your deal is. It gets revealed in UBW, that's all there is to it, it doesn't matter if you're already supposed to know it. It changes pretty much nothing. Hmmm I'm stating that it probably is gonna be revealed in this adaptation. I mean that's pretty obvious. They aren't going to not name drop him, especially when it is revealed in the VN in UBW. The one that is questionable is Saber, but there are two good places to reveal that so I'm guessing it's revealed. |
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nocorras said: simbee said: Hmmm I'm stating that it probably is gonna be revealed in this adaptation. I mean that's pretty obvious. They aren't going to not name drop him, especially when it is revealed in the VN in UBW. It's an adaptation and nothing is certain. As far as I'm concerned, OP's point or assumption is valid, though the possibility is low. |
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Narutotaku said: Man, I hate how OP Gilgamesh is. Type-Moon plz nerf :V He can just send thousands of swords right at you. You will be defeated within seconds. The only fighter who has a sliver of chance is Castor because she is a long range magic user. The rest of them get annihilated quite easily. I always assumed the masters would be somewhat equal in total power, excelling others in certain abilities while being weak in others. Yet this character alone can take on every master head on, without too much trouble. |
Candeloro said: Jesus, 19 pages already. This episode was amazing. New wallpaper much? They made a death scene so pretty. Also, trolls really need to stop spoiling shit for people who have legit not read the visual novel and are new to F/SN UBW. It is really getting annoying. No one cares that you know one more piece of information and you feel the need to ruin the excitement for others. That would be a pretty bloody wallpaper. Pretty ironic though. You complain about people spoiling, yet you mentioned Gil in your post. |
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