Rokka: Braves of the Six Flowers (light novel)
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| another ok episode, the only reason I'm still watching it is Flamie. We all know Adlet is innocent, HE IS THE FREAKING MAIN CHARACTER!!! Nashetania has to be the seventh one, it's always those kind of characters, looking all innocent and cute, defending the mc looking all naive. It's such a cliché... |
DestyPuffari said: RoyaiChaos said: If an anime makes 20 minutes feel like 5, it's doing something right. This. Well doesn't that only mean you've lost track of time because you enjoy the show? Cause that's how I feel while I watch RnY and Prison School and several others. |
| Wow, I didn't expect so many parts of this episode to aggravate me. Whatever happened to "Innocent until proven guilty"? Their suspicion is not unwarranted but their logic is extremely flawed. "We attacked him out of nowhere and he defended himself! That means he's the seventh Brave!". If they hadn't attacked him he wouldn't have had to defend himself. What was he supposed to do? Just stand there and let them kill him? facepalm Goldof's just jelly that Nashetania likes Adlet more than him. Jealousy is truly an ugly thing. To think he was one of my favorite characters before this episode. Man, Flamie ice cold. At least she's showing interest in others than herself now. Best girl. It was nice to see some of Adlet's past and what motivated him to defeat the Demon God. |
| So there's an 8th now? Holy shit there are a lot of people in on this plan now. And it's not another brave, but a co-conspirator. They did a really good job of making a case against Adlet. We know it cant be him, but we cant prove it either. I also think there is a difference between being the 7th brave, and being a traitor. Let me explain. Just making up an example since I have no idea. Let's say Nashetania is the 7th. Perhaps, she was actually too weak to be chosen or not worthy or some shit. So she finds a way to cheat the system. She gets strong enough to at least kill fiends. She tattoos the mark on herself or something. Whatever she needs to do to be able to succeed in this plan, she does. The reason she's faking though is genuine; she truly wants to help save the world from the Demon Kind. She wants to save her country and fellow braves and whatnot. Meanwhile let's assume Hans is a legit brave. Hans may have actually been picked, but he was colluding with fiends to get a massive pay day and guaranteed safety for foiling the braves plan. So like I said, being the 7th may not make the person a traitor, but being a brave doesn't make you trustworthy. At least maybe. Maybe they wont make things that complex, who knows. Love how Maura was like "you're digging your own grave". Like bitch, what do you want from me? I can either let you murder me here for being assumed guilty, or I can run away and incriminate myself. Well fuck yea I'm going to run away. What happens when they kill him and the barrier doesn't go down? Like oops? Also that chick from Adlet's childhood flashback was cute. Wonder if she's important/we get to see more of her before his village is wiped out. DestyPuffari said: RoyaiChaos said: If an anime makes 20 minutes feel like 5, it's doing something right. This. seriously this. CookingPriest said: Well this episode made Adlet look crazy as all hell. The scene near the end with him smiling was as disturbing ashim learning to smile. I am now leaning towards Adlet being brainwashed or something and being unaware that he is a fake. Him learning to smile certainly feels very pavlovian int he nature, so It would be not that surprising if he had triggers placed within his psyche for that kind of shit. He certainly looked quite deranged in the end, I guess which is why Fremy finally took real notice of him. His sense of self-importance also feels very overblown and he seems to have slight persecution complex(thinking this whole situation is just to kill him) Also when he was thinking about second needle when he was about to pass out was he going to kill Fremy? At least that's how it seemed to me. Either way its quite clear that Adlet is not really a psychologically stable individual. I think you're totally wrong. He's foolish, but not crazy. He was taught to smile so he wouldn't give into despair; seeing how he was borderline suicidal when he found his master. Persecution complex? More like brilliant idea? If the 7th brave is a traitor, nothing would be more genius than making the most eccentric character the prime suspect for being the traitor. Then when he get's killed and only 6 are left, the traitor can blend in without any suspicions. And I bet you'd feel pretty fucking persecuted too if everyone in the room put you on goddamn trial for something you didn't do but had absolutely no evidence to prove otherwise. If anything, Adlet is the MOST stable person of the group. Hell, Nashetania didn't even contribute to anything and was flipping the fuck out when the barrier went up. Chamot is a loose cannon, and Hans is trigger happy towards anyone he suspects. Adlet meanwhile is injured and being hunted by 5 people and is basically able to smile and think positively in the face of death. Zefyris said: And as I expeted, it's not that they're lazyu with the 2nd opening liek some peoples complained last time. They're changing bit by bit to avoid spoiling stuff. This episode the opening footage had new content again. There's almost nothing from the first opening left now. What all did they change again? I feel like I keep missing stuff. I noticed the obvious changes the first time when the changed the song; everyones weapons, people looking sadder, the black and white portraits showing the crests. There was probably a bunch more subtle stuff I missed. And I think you even said last week that the OP dropped a major spoiler bomb that nobody picked up on. |
Jonesy974Aug 8, 2015 8:43 PM
| is it just me, or is everyone ignoring the fact that it was a BLADE that had to be removed from stone to activate the barrier? |
| Poor Adlet, i don't like any of these Braves (well i like Fremy) I mean theyre too rash. They really are jumping to conclusions too quick, like seriously you're gonna kill him (a potential ally and innocent) without concrete proof. All there going on is some assumptions. I mean it pisses me off how theyre like he definitely can't be trusted after defending himself and taking Fremy. Like dude, you suddenly just try to kill him. And the reason he's keeping Fremy alive isn't just because she's a valuable hostage but because he's actually a good person aka ally. Still calling it, Nashentanya is the fake. Hate this chick. And Chamot. Hate her ass too. |
Inugirlz said: Goldof's jealousy is no good. He is too immature(I mean he is 16 but kinda like the pre-teens that get pregnant with their social problems) and Nashetania worrying all over Adlet won't make him calm, specially at that age. His superbness and air head will fuck up the other Braves. Poor Adlet, i don't like any of these Braves (well i like Fremy) I mean theyre too rash. They really are jumping to conclusions too quick, like seriously you're gonna kill him (a potential ally and innocent) without concrete proof. All there going on is some assumptions. I mean it pisses me off how theyre like he definitely can't be trusted after defending himself and taking Fremy. Like dude, you suddenly just try to kill him. And the reason he's keeping Fremy alive isn't just because she's a valuable hostage but because he's actually a good person aka ally. Still calling it, Nashentanya is the fake. Hate this chick. And Chamot. Hate her ass too. And yes, he is the character I disliked the most of all. I mean, not even the kyoumas are annoying as f... like him ;-; |
| adelet is 7th and he's Demon champion, but the one that activated barrier is ........!!!! |
Lu-Ru said: another ok episode, the only reason I'm still watching it is Flamie. We all know Adlet is innocent, HE IS THE FREAKING MAIN CHARACTER!!! Nashetania has to be the seventh one, it's always those kind of characters, looking all innocent and cute, defending the mc looking all naive. It's such a cliché... stop living in the past man. we all know he's innocent? all cuz he's the mc? do u know everything about him? do u have proofs? just cuz we saw things from his pov doesn't make him innocent. (see The Murder of Roger Ackroyd if u don't believe me) nashetania is the seventh? cuz she's naive and it's always like this? again, stop assuming things! just because other animes are like that doesn't mean this anime is the same! |
| F*ck the princess! She's soo annoying! I really think she's the fake! Come on, she's acting ignorant and naive towards the present situation. If I were the fake, I'd also compassionately "pretend" defend that the one being accused (Aldet) isn't the fake. Goldof is also annoying for being jealous! |
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ttcchen said: Lu-Ru said: another ok episode, the only reason I'm still watching it is Flamie. We all know Adlet is innocent, HE IS THE FREAKING MAIN CHARACTER!!! Nashetania has to be the seventh one, it's always those kind of characters, looking all innocent and cute, defending the mc looking all naive. It's such a cliché... stop living in the past man. we all know he's innocent? all cuz he's the mc? do u know everything about him? do u have proofs? just cuz we saw things from his pov doesn't make him innocent. (see The Murder of Roger Ackroyd if u don't believe me) nashetania is the seventh? cuz she's naive and it's always like this? again, stop assuming things! just because other animes are like that doesn't mean this anime is the same! It's simple go read LN. |
| My God! How long will this keep up...it's going to end with 12 episodes only and they wasted 3 episodes just to prove the point that there is a seventh or something. Overall, 2 out of 10. So slow and small to nothing development at all. I was only happy when they left the inside of the temple. At least we have a breather scene. |
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| Heck I had to watch everything again, but I found something interesting (this will be a long read): (EP02: 3:10 - 3:35) - Nashetania have said during the second episode about the Saint of the Sun Riura which was dead and in the 4th episode Adlet asked Fremy if she killed Riura and she denied it after speaking all the heroes she have killed. The question is: who killed someone strong as Riura and why Nashetania knows it and the hero killer don't? I'm not sure if it is important at this point but it's just a liittle too wierd. (EP03: 15:25-15:30) - One of the guards said some of the heroes already passed by the fortress and they had left 2 days ago. But the only one who passed by was Mora, confirmed by the following bellow. (EP03: 17:50-18:25) - The soldier in charge Lauren have said Mora is already waiting in the temple and when all the heroes have met at the temple she would give him a signal to confirm they have all gathered at the temple. And here is the strange part, Lauren also said he would give a signal if all his soldiers where defeated so one of the heroes should active the barrier isntead. I can be wrong but I didn't see/nocited any signal by both parts until now. And what type of signal? Smoke? Magic? It's too unclear. (EP03: 18:50-19:03) - ''To activate the barrier the sword must be placed in the dais, put a hand at the slate and say the words Rise,Fog''. (EP:04: 12:15) - The door is locked. (EP:04: 12:52) - Theres smoke in the forest but not in the temple itself. (EP:04: 13:20) - First sign of fog. (EP04: 14:10-15:16) - Adlet enters the temple but the sword is already sheathed on the altar. (EP04: 16:05-16:34) - Nashetania acting like crazy while destroying 1 item. (EP04: 19:18-19:22) - Mora is the first one to notice 7 Heroes even when Hans isn't here yet. (EP04: 20:00-20:26) - Mora is surprised by Adlet when he asks everyone to show their Seals. (EP05: 14:45) - Fremy says Mora is also a suspect when Mora is acting like she is out of question. (EP05: 18:11) - The key. Ozymandias20 said: is it just me, or is everyone ignoring the fact that it was a BLADE that had to be removed from stone to activate the barrier? The sword must be placed to activate the barrier, not removed. At least is this what i've read in 3 different subs. |
Jonny_MhlAug 8, 2015 11:15 PM
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| Seemed like a very drawn out episode. Not much happened. 3/5 |
| Adlet's constant one liner suddenly makes sense, In a very disturbing way. |
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| As for the Braves suspecting Adlet after his escape: Adlet's tactics do have this effect on people who don't know him. Hell, even half of the posters on these forums think Adlet couldn't be chosen as the seventh! But to Adlet, that's just the way he fights, it seems. Comander-07 said: Im pretty sure Nashetanya is fake. Considering her beeing weak and not suited for fighting the demon god at all. She even admits that she would have lost in the last tournament to one of the guys adlet was mocking. (And IF she would be any kind of strong > the guy would be really strong > the guy could handle adlet easy, even with his tricks, he had to fight the saint of blades. If he would be stupid, he wouldnt have "won". So my conlcusion: They are all weak.) Nashetania has said she was likely to lose to Goldof, not to one of this year's contestants. She also said that one of the guys Adlet beat was injured, and that was why he has lost a re-match with the other guy. And she did beat the guy who wasn't injured in the finals. I'd say Nashetania is a complete opposite of Adlet: she has a lot of raw power and potential, but does not have the state of mind to bring out the most of it. Comander-07 said: As a matter of fact, I cant say if this mind game is good or bad - without knowing the fake or without seeing everything all the time, I cant know if they simply havent shown us the crucial parts. If thats the case. Its bad and cheap. If not, I will be surprised. minor spoilers: |
Jonny_Mhl said: Nashetania and Goldof still acting like they don't know nothing, huh? I can't get this out of my mind since when Nashetania destroyed 2 items of the altar by ''accident'' while swinging that sword at ''random''. Nashetania was trying random shit to dispel the barrier in panic. As someone already said that was nothing important and if it was something important everyone would be targeting her now. They are not fools. |
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Hissatsu89 said: Wow, I didn't expect so many parts of this episode to aggravate me. Whatever happened to "Innocent until proven guilty"? Their suspicion is not unwarranted but their logic is extremely flawed. "We attacked him out of nowhere and he defended himself! That means he's the seventh Brave!". If they hadn't attacked him he wouldn't have had to defend himself. What was he supposed to do? Just stand there and let them kill him? facepalm Except that's not why he is a suspect. His actions up till the temple are what are in question and he provided no good theories why wasn't anyone other than him. Yes Goldof attacking him was rash after Mora said not to but he did himself no favors by taking a hostage (that never helps in these situations). Basically Adlet only added on and confirmed to their suspicions about him. There is no reason for them to believe him when the 7th is most likely lying anyway and would take any measures to survive. Adlet has to find evidence that proves Hans strong accusations wrong because from their perspective all signs are pointing to him based on the situation. |
Iron_MawAug 8, 2015 11:47 PM
Interesting backstory. I'd like to see more of Adlet's master.  Well crap. Adlet just dug himself into a deeper hole. Though it seemed like the best option to save himself at that time. I feel like Goldof doesn't believe he's the 7th but attacked him out of jealousy.  |
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| Man, this was so good that it felt like I was only watching it for less then 5 min.. I will say I was shocked at how quickly they attacked Adlet, I mean they did leave him no wiggle room to show that he isn't a fake, but now I'm thinking the first two I thought are shaping up to be the real fake's here..cannot wait for next week. |
| Young Adlet looks like Nagato. |
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Adoretto x Fremie |
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| Quarter fiend babies are a thing now? Why not, I guess. |
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Jonny_Mhl said: Heck I had to watch everything again, but I found something interesting (this will be a long read): (EP02: 3:10 - 3:35) - Nashetania have said during the second episode about the Saint of the Sun Riura which was dead and in the 4th episode Adlet asked Fremy if she killed Riura and she denied it after speaking all the heroes she have killed. The question is: who killed someone strong as Riura and why Nashetania knows it and the hero killer don't? I'm not sure if it is important at this point but it's just a liittle too wierd. (EP03: 15:25-15:30) - One of the guards said some of the heroes already passed by the fortress and they had left 2 days ago. But the only one who passed by was Mora, confirmed by the following bellow. (EP03: 17:50-18:25) - The soldier in charge Lauren have said Mora is already waiting in the temple and when all the heroes have met at the temple she would give him a signal to confirm they have all gathered at the temple. And here is the strange part, Lauren also said he would give a signal if all his soldiers where defeated so one of the heroes should active the barrier isntead. I can be wrong but I didn't see/nocited any signal by both parts until now. And what type of signal? Smoke? Magic? It's too unclear. (EP03: 18:50-19:03) - ''To activate the barrier the sword must be placed in the dais, put a hand at the slate and say the words Rise,Fog''. (EP:04: 12:15) - The door is locked. (EP:04: 12:52) - Theres smoke in the forest but not in the temple itself. (EP:04: 13:20) - First sign of fog. (EP04: 14:10-15:16) - Adlet enters the temple but the sword is already sheathed on the altar. (EP04: 16:05-16:34) - Nashetania acting like crazy while destroying 1 item. (EP04: 19:18-19:22) - Mora is the first one to notice 7 Heroes even when Hans isn't here yet. (EP04: 20:00-20:26) - Mora is surprised by Adlet when he asks everyone to show their Seals. (EP05: 14:45) - Fremy says Mora is also a suspect when Mora is acting like she is out of question. (EP05: 18:11) - The key. The sword must be placed to activate the barrier, not removed. At least is this what i've read in 3 different subs. As a fellow non LN reader, I'd like to address some of your points from an AO point of view: (EP02: 3:10 - 3:35) It's not like the people in this anime have internet/instagram/Skype or such things. Just because Fremy has no knowledge of the murder of Riura and Nashetania does means nothing. Given the Saint of the Sun was a powerful individual, her death would have been the talk of the human or Saints world, it could well be that every Rokka/Saint/person in the human world knew of the news. Fremy is a half fiend who was until recently working for her mother. I doubt that she would socialize much with normal humans, and hence even if she didn't know of the death, it doesn't exactly implicate anyone else. Mora, Chamot and a whole bunch of others could also know of it. Adlet didn't because he's been training on a mountain, so he says... isn't there also a possibility that he killed that Saint himself and pretended not to know until Nash told him? (EP03: 17:50-18:25): Lauren confirmed more than one Rokka passed through, but only mentioned Mora by name. That means there should have been others (I'm guessing Hans). Also, you need to remember the barrier was activated unexpectedly ahead of time, thus you wouldn't see a signal from the soldiers side because they wouldn't have sent the signal if they hadn't been defeated. As of this moment, whether the soldiers had been defeated is still under question, since no one could confirm or deny it. (EP03: 18:50-19:03) (EP:04: 12:15) (EP:04: 12:52) (EP:04: 13:20) (EP04: 14:10-15:16) All correct observations. I too noticed a pause between when Adlet chased after the fiend and when he noticed the fog had set in and the barrier had been activated. I'm assuming the period when he had his back to the temple (after defeating the proxy guards and watching the fiend transform and escape), was when the incident occurred.... unless Adlet's memories have been tampered with and he's the actual 7th.... (EP04: 16:05-16:34) Nashetania acting like crazy was a bit too obvious.... (EP04: 19:18-19:22) Mora was travelling with Hans for an entire day before they reached the temple, of course she would notice an extra person, even without Hans arriving yet. (EP04: 20:00-20:26) I feel like Mora isn't used to other people acting like a leader in her presence, given her rank and position (Saint Trainer). Hence her surprise at this rude man. (EP05: 14:45) Well one wouldn't naturally suspect themselves to be guilty now would they? I think it would be safe to expect everyone in the room to think the same. (EP05: 18:11) I have no idea what you are insinuating about the key. You are also correct in the blade being placed to activate the barrier. That's what I saw as well. _________________________________________________________________ Now, for my own observations this episode. First off, Hans Humpty is fast becoming my favorite character in this title. He's loud, boisterous and quite the rogue, but he's also extremely observant and his logic is quite flawless. Given all the evidence provided, as well as the knowledge of how the barrier works provided by Mora and Hans, Adlet really has the worst alibi to prove his innocence. The barrier won't activate unless the human was standing directly on the altar, pushed the sword in and said the magic words. The specific order of the people entering the temple are as follows: 1. Adlet 2. Nashetania + Goldov + Fremy 3. Chamo 4. Mora 5. Hans The obvious observation, given that Nash, Goldov and Fremy have no apparent reason to lie about Adlet's first arrival, would be that he was the one who activated the barrier. Of the three that came late, Hans and Mora came together. Hence the only ones with no supporting witness to their whereabouts would be Chamo and Adlet. Also, Fremy hadn't wanted to join the group, but was forced into it by Adlet. Thus of the two of them who would have any knowledge about there being a 7th Rokka, it would be easy to assume that Adlet, and not Fremy, was the one who wanted all 7 to meet up and hence to set up this Battle Royale situation. All evidence, as based on pure observation, points to Adlet as the one to activate the barrier. This is what Hans is basing it on. Hans and Mora are pretty much each other's alibis as of this moment. And considering how both of them seemed to want to gather more information, rather than just starting the kill-game like Goldov and Chamo, I'm more inclined that they actually DO want to get the truth of the matter before they kill anyone. Hans may have took his blade out, but by no means was he the first to attack. He was closest to the door and wanted to prevent anyone from escaping. He kept egging Adlet on to explain how he could have been innocent, and even whilst talking to Mora in the forest, he was saying how he wanted more information before making judgments. Needless to say, Mora was stopping everyone from making a move before they figured things out (she just couldn't control Goldov). Both are knowledgeable about barriers, so if the other were lying, then they would pretty much know. Also, when Adlet was accusing the other "Saints" in the temple for having the skills to get through the barrier, Mora defended them, whilst saying that it was also possible that some of them may have been able to get in. Since no new information came to light, I'm sticking with my assumption from last week that both of them are quite low on the rankings, though Hans and his mannerism wins out if between the two of them. Mora just seems way too uptight to be a traitor. If Adlet is truly innocent, then he just picked the worst way to express it. He was first to arrive on the Altar, he was the only one in position to activate the barrier (as observed by Nashetania, Goldov and Fremy when they rushed in), and all his excuses and theories were shot down as soon as they were raised. Normally, I would say that given the overwhelming evidence against him, he has to be innocent, but given the possibility that he had done it unconsciously/he had a second persona who did it, then I retain my doubts about him. Still, I fully understand why he chose to run, as well as why he chose to elect Fremy as the hostage, both of which would lean me towards him being innocent. First off, he didn't want to fight/kill anyone before he could prove his innocence. Considering his boast as the Strongest man in the World, to not show his strength in such a situation would only show that he has compassion and a respect for life (something which I doubt a faker would possess). Second, of the ones he could take a hostage who wouldn't fight back, you could pretty much narrow it down to two people, Nashetania and Fremy. If he took the former, no doubt Goldov would relentlessly continue to pursue him to hell and back, regardless of nightfall, fog or even the fires of hell itself. Given no one really wants Fremy or trusts her due to her background, it was an obvious choice. It doesn't help that Fremy doesn't trust him, and I'm pretty surprised that she did patch him up, but like she said: There's still a 1% chance that he's the real deal" and she's willing to bet on it. My suspicion of him is slowly waning, given the mountain of evidence against him being a bit too ridiculously obvious, and the fact that there was a period between him killing off the guardians and when he rushed into the temple itself. Still, I cannot fully trust his ever-changing character. Instead of calming people down to gather more intelligence like Mora tried to do in the temple, he immediately started accusing others for doing the deed. I feel like there's still something about him we don't know yet that isn't quite right, and hence my theory of him being two-faced still stands. Also, his theory of an 8th I feel shouldn't be taken to heart. He himself cannot explain how he could be innocent, and his speculation of an 8th is backed by NO evidence at all. I feel like this is more of a delusion, and a large scoop of arrogance, that he has to be feeling that someone is out to get him because he is the self proclaimed, self acknowledged "Strongest man in the World". In other words, he's so desperate that he'll do anything to clear his own name, even create fictional characters so that others will believe his nigh impossible theories. Fremy may have been on the bottom of my list last week, but I don't understand why she didn't just tie Adlet up after tending to his wounds. First of all, you don't trust him 99%, second of all, he kidnapped and poisoned you when he made his escape from the temple. Her current actions don't indicate that she only trusts him 1% at all. If anything, the fact that she is showing him such camaraderie, throws suspicion her way. My first thought was that she could be doing so because she knew for a fact that Adlet was a true Rokka, which wouldn't be possible unless she herself was the 7th. Also, to get Adlet on her side with her actions, that seems more like an insurance that if Adlet somehow does figure out a way to prove his innocence, he will feel that Fremy did still have an inkling of faith in him (hence she is a good person, ergo not the 7th herself). Nashetania's actions this episode drove home quite well just how guilty she seems. She's a princess who participated in Civil war with her own father. You would think that at an even younger age, that she'd already experienced such things as betrayal of people close to her and such, no? Yet the way she acts, what with the "Oh god, Adlet absolutely can't be the fake, but I can't provide ANY reasons at all" would be similar to what I wrote about Fremy's case. The difference being whilst Fremy used actions in an isolated setting, Nashetania used it whilst in front of everyone. Not to digress too much, but if anyone has played the game of Mafia, you would know that one of the best tactics would be to support the first innocent party who is accused by others. That way, if the situation is revealed that you were correct that the innocent party was actually innocent, then your own chance of being suspected decreases dramatically, since your alibi after that would be "I told you, and I was right". Her support of Adlet also struck a nerve with Goldov, which I feel was calculated. There's no way that Nashetania wouldn't know Goldov having feelings for her. If she were truly the 7th, then just siding with Adlet would raise a reaction with Goldov, she must have known it all along. Likewise for Goldov, his reactions seem to have been calculated by Nashetania, though that exchange that she had with him straight before he attacked Adlet raises a question: Did he REALLY do it out of jealousy? Or was it to hide another motive (ie, to protect the interests of the Princess). Given that we found out how the Rokka symbol works, I'm gravitating more along the first, rather than the second. Why? Simple. Because if he really did kill Adlet knowing that he was a true Rokka, then a petal on the flower would disappear from 5 other bodies, leaving just one guilty party with a fake Rokka mark on his/her body. If he was in any way suspecting his liege to be the fake, then killing Adlet would do nothing but prove her guilt. Same with if he himself were the killer. Thus as of this moment, I can speculate with confidence that Goldov is neither the 7th, nor does he know who the 7th is. He's just a jealous bodyguard who doesn't like Adlet getting chummy with his Hime-sama. However, as before, I don't see how Goldov, Nashetania or Fremy could have done the deed, given they were all together between fighting fiends and arriving at the Temple. More information is definitely required before I decided their further guilt or innocence. And finally Chamo... the one I would suspect right after Adlet. The reason being that her whereabouts were unknown prior to arriving at the temple, even though she knew all the other Saints, she did not travel with any of them, and of course the fact that she is the most inclined to torture and kill people regardless of reason or consequences. She may act an impatient child, but that could all be a ploy (ala the movie Orphan). The fact that they haven't gotten much into her story or her alibi yet also makes her suspicious (for lack of information and confirmation). Plus the fact that Fremy couldn't kill her, and everyone else bar Mora seems afraid of her can also attest to her ability. I get the feeling that when Mora was talking about Saints who can get through the barrier, she was specifically talking about Chamo. She could very well have dug a hole in the ground near the temple entrance and waited for Adlet to be distracted before rushing into and out of the temple.... One more thing to raise: I was watching with Subs so I can't be 100% sure, but did Adlet REALLY only accuse the "Saints" of being the one to activate the barrier? Like... he didn't suspect any of the guys at all when he was arguing with Mora??? Anyway, current episode list (from most suspicious to least): 1. Chamo 2. Adlet 3. Nashitania 4. Fremy 5. Goldov 6. Hans 7. Mora That's quite a big shakeup of the rankings. Now I really want more information to speculate on the culprit. As for the method: My current hypothesis would be that something happened between the period that Adlet was rushed by the guards, saw the Fiend transform and escape, and noticed the fog. That is.... if Adlet were truly innocent. There was an effective period between him returning to the temple and what happened before. Also, just because the guards attacked the first person that didn't enter the temple (effectively proving that Adlet DID open the door first), it says nothing that a second person could slip into the temple during the fight between Adlet and said guardians, to perform the ritual and run away when he was distracted by the transforming Fiend..... If Adlet is less than innocent.... well I'm betting we'll get an alternate set of flashbacks at the end showing what actually happened. Either way, this show makes for exciting stuff. |
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| Yeah, Adlet's reasoning seems to be "this was all done to frame and take out ME", "They did this to take out ME", "this was all about ME", which sounds delusional as fuck. He clearly has some sort of persecution complex. |
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| ahh, i caved in and read the ln. Should be intresting how they'll adapt this. |
| well, this episode was nice and great.. . the seventh braves fighting each other is so epic. i like the new OP, it's good and funny at the same time. well, everyone is doing a nice shoot and blow their powers.. except Hans. poor hans, he was just smiling and throw knives but got kicked by adlet in 1 second.. i was "WTF? LOL xD" please adlet, give Hans more apperance on TV xD lol Adlet: "sorry hans, i was just-" Hans: "damn you" *kick adlet "i just wanna appears on TV. why did u do that?!" Adlet: "b..but-" |
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| Johnny_Mhl, I believe Hans met up with Mora/Maura after making a deal with the Gwenbyer King. That's why the private said a couple of Braves went there before. So basically, Team 1 - Adlet, Fremy, later with Nash and Goldov Team 2 - Maura, Hans Team 3 - Chamot CookingPriest said: Yeah, Adlet's reasoning seems to be "this was all done to frame and take out ME", "They did this to take out ME", "this was all about ME", which sounds delusional as fuck. He clearly has some sort of persecution complex. Well, the idea was to make the Braves fight among themselves, and Adlet is the one getting persecuted. Can't blame the guy. XD |
| Interesting tidbit of information about how the Braves crest shows whether the other Braves are still alive or not, but I don't see that as being overly relevant going forward unless they decide to kill one of the seven. Also, this episode has created a conflict between head and heart. On the one hand, I don't want to believe that Adlet is the seventh, but at the same time all the evidence seems to point to it and his desperation in denying the accusations is very suspicious as well. However, his idea of a possible eighth person who has not yet revealed themselves is one which I hadn't yet considered but seems like a realistic possibility, particularly as it allows the seventh to be used as a distraction from the activities of the eighth by creating suspicion and paranoia among the known seven. Of the seven we do have though, Chamot seems the most suspicious now as we have no idea what she was doing or where she was when the barrier was raised. I'm seriously surprised that no one has considered the fact that Adlet had to fight the guards before entering the temple and that this would give someone else a perfect window of time to sneak into the temple, raise the barrier and get out again unnoticed. |
L-Ryoshi said: Nashetania's actions this episode drove home quite well just how guilty she seems. She's a princess who participated in Civil war with her own father. You would think that at an even younger age, that she'd already experienced such things as betrayal of people close to her and such, no? Yet the way she acts, what with the "Oh god, Adlet absolutely can't be the fake, but I can't provide ANY reasons at all" would be similar to what I wrote about Fremy's case. The difference being whilst Fremy used actions in an isolated setting, Nashetania used it whilst in front of everyone. Not to digress too much, but if anyone has played the game of Mafia, you would know that one of the best tactics would be to support the first innocent party who is accused by others. That way, if the situation is revealed that you were correct that the innocent party was actually innocent, then your own chance of being suspected decreases dramatically, since your alibi after that would be "I told you, and I was right". Her support of Adlet also struck a nerve with Goldov, which I feel was calculated. There's no way that Nashetania wouldn't know Goldov having feelings for her. If she were truly the 7th, then just siding with Adlet would raise a reaction with Goldov, she must have known it all along. Actually she disbelief that a hero would be a traitor and not the fact people can betray each other. It's the same reason why she appalled that assassin was also chosen as Brave. She probably like every other regular person assumes only good people or those of high morals are chosen. Likewise for Goldov, his reactions seem to have been calculated by Nashetania, though that exchange that she had with him straight before he attacked Adlet raises a question: Did he REALLY do it out of jealousy? Or was it to hide another motive (ie, to protect the interests of the Princess). Given that we found out how the Rokka symbol works, I'm gravitating more along the first, rather than the second. Why? Simple. Because if he really did kill Adlet knowing that he was a true Rokka, then a petal on the flower would disappear from 5 other bodies, leaving just one guilty party with a fake Rokka mark on his/her body. If he was in any way suspecting his liege to be the fake, then killing Adlet would do nothing but prove her guilt. Same with if he himself were the killer. Thus as of this moment, I can speculate with confidence that Goldov is neither the 7th, nor does he know who the 7th is. He's just a jealous bodyguard who doesn't like Adlet getting chummy with his Hime-sama. Goldof is most suspicious of everyone right now IMO, but he seems to have done what he did more out of jealously. |
| Flamie x Adlet confirmed >.> |
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danieltortoisee said: I'm seriously surprised that no one has considered the fact that Adlet had to fight the guards before entering the temple and that this would give someone else a perfect window of time to sneak into the temple, raise the barrier and get out again unnoticed. I would assume this was because in Adlet's recollection of things, he was saying how he dealt with the guard, watched the Fiend transform, and returned to the Temple, but no one else knows exactly just how short of a time this was. This and of course.... the fact that he's the one more unknown persons in the group and that they don't actually believe his words right now. It's only natural to disbelieve anything that someone you don't trust says, no? Jagd84 said: L-Ryoshi said: Actually she disbelief that a hero would be a traitor and not the fact people can betray each other. It's the same reason why she appalled that assassin was also chosen as Brave. She probably like every other regular person assumes only good people or those of high morals are chosen. Is that your speculation, or something you read somewhere? Personally, I would think that considering it is already a known fact that Fremy, a Braves-Candidate Killer was elected as a current generation Brave, I don't think she should be surprised at all that Hero's could become traitors. Also, considering the fact that people of unsavory repute like Hans could be elected as a Rokka, the idea that a Rokka having less than noble purposes should definitely not be that improbable in her mind. |
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L-Ryoshi said: Is that your speculation, or something you read somewhere? Like you speculation, but it based on how she reacted to Hans. Not only that, but in ep 5 she was also surprised that people in her government had used services of people like Hans and was denial about that. |
| I loved the art this episode. Loved how Atro Spyker looks. Adlet's (almost) maniacal laugh was awesome. To anyone saying "this is too slow"/"boring"/nothing's happening", stick around until the end. This is only the calm before the storm. Also, we need u flops to give this a higher rating >.< Also, everyone needs to hate Chamo. Just do it. I mean, most of you are FremyxAdlet shippers or think she is best girl, and Chamo constantly wants to kill her, so for that reason, you should hate her existence. I don't particularly care who the 7th, 8th or whatever anything else happens. I just want Chamo dead. And you all should too <.> CookingPriest said: You seriously think any of them are psychologically stable? Only Mora seems to have a level head, but like anything she or anyone else says, it could just be a lie.Either way its quite clear that Adlet is not really a psychologically stable individual. That being said, this episode did a good job of showing Adlet's (over?)confidence and his last laughing face was a bit maniacal. However, his theory makes sense from his point of view. The seventh obviously wants them to fight amongst themselves, and they seem to be starting by placing suspicion on who they seem to perceive as the weakest link. WannabeWannabe said: The number of people claiming they have not read the series and coming up with the right conclusion just to say they "called it" is too damn high! Indeed it is. Then again, that's exactly what I did before I read the LN, lol. Now I don't feel so special ;_; Although no one has mentioned my reasoning yet ^_^ (it was pretty stupid reasoning but still lol) Theorder14 said: No regrets XDahh, i caved in and read the ln. Should be intresting how they'll adapt this. |
| "There's no shame in falling down... true shame is to not stand up again!" "Aah? Of course I won't miss!" "My blood tastes like Iron." "Run through the tape in life! Never give up! Run through the tape!" |
| i cannot stand chamo and as already mentioned in the thread no one of them for a second has thought about that someone could have snuck in while adlet was fighting the the guards, really annoys me since it is such an obvious possiblity i want to speculate but when it comes to mystery like this way too often what leads to the solution is something the viewer could not have possibly known or seen. |
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NoongaJuice said: Also, everyone needs to hate Chamo. Just do it. I mean, most of you are FremyxAdlet shippers or think she is best girl, and Chamo constantly wants to kill her, so for that reason, you should hate her existence. I don't particularly care who the 7th, 8th or whatever anything else happens. I just want Chamo dead. And you all should too <.> Suuree~ we shouldn't hate the person who was trying to kill us in the past right ? She's 14, how immature ! |
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| Welp, It's time to try being detective conan again. No, i don't believe there is an eighth. Honetly, i quite think Adlet is being delussioned, because it's all ''They wanna take out me, they turned against me, etc...'' and as we know, he is some unknown dude. None of the 7th know him. Also, am i the only one here who thinks that Bunny girl is trying to hard to defend Adlet? It really feels like she's faking it imo. She is still the most suspicous for me. And dat Smile @ the end tho. I guess next time we get to know why Adlet and Flamie are in this. |
| Good episode, I liked Adlet's flashbacks. He is strong because he can smile, it's interesting, although I don't see how it will help him. |
| Quick question: Isn't Adlet the only one we can for sure say isn't the fake? In episode one we did see him receive his crest, right? |
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Mabol said: Quick question: Isn't Adlet the only one we can for sure say isn't the fake? In episode one we did see him receive his crest, right? I think someone mentioned this but... Since he's the only one who we saw get a crest, doesn't it mean that we don't know if it is the proper way to get the crest, since we don't know if the others got it the same way? How do we know the proper way to acquire a crest, when our sample size is just one? |
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| This was an okay episode. But I feel there was hardly ANY progression. This was almost a filler tbh. I guess this whole '''7th and 8th'' member arc will be stretched to two more episodes. Meh, Rokka got stale now. |
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| Ohh man Adlet really is in a pinch. It was interesting to see some backstory behind him and his reason for always smiling, no matter the situation. I'm puzzled as to why Mora didn't show her crest again, when she informed Hans about their status, instead she used his. The situation has become really tangled.. and i have absolutely no idea who the fraud is, but it really does sounds like there are two behind it. |
| ...again not much development but intense as always wish this was 1 hour per episode ...shipping Aldet X Fremy |
| I guess we should take the discussion about the guilt to the thread that has been already created for it. There are no real spoilers so far in there. Otherwise I must say I loved the episode |
| Signature removed. It was too good for this cruel world. |
Harrymanhunter said: This was an okay episode. But I feel there was hardly ANY progression. This was almost a filler tbh. I guess this whole '''7th and 8th'' member arc will be stretched to two more episodes. Meh, Rokka got stale now. The entire show is filler. Most anime would get this whole thing done by now and be halfway through the demon lands. The whole show is just going to be them getting the barrier down and starting their journey in order to get people to go buy the LN. Don't think of this as a show, think of it as an ad and you'll be much closer to the truth. |
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