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| That awful unnecessary loli shot at the beginning. I didn't realize I was watching a typical school slice of life.... By far the worst episode so far, nothing of value happened, just boredom. 2/5 |
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tsudecimo said: That awful unnecessary loli shot at the beginning. I didn't realize I was watching a typical school slice of life.... By far the worst episode so far, nothing of value happened, just boredom. 2/5 Did we watch the same episode? |
astroprogs said: tsudecimo said: That awful unnecessary loli shot at the beginning. I didn't realize I was watching a typical school slice of life.... By far the worst episode so far, nothing of value happened, just boredom. 2/5 Did we watch the same episode? Yes. Unless you consider living arrangement important, nothing important happened. Do you have anything meaningful to say? or are you gonna post another meaningless one liner? |
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tsudecimo said: astroprogs said: Did we watch the same episode? Yes. Unless you consider living arrangement important, nothing important happened. Do you have anything meaningful to say? or are you gonna post another meaningless one liner? So hinting Illyas motivations, revealing one of Berserkers NP's, revealing Shirou's healing power, establishing character relationships between Shirou and Saber and Shirou and Rin, Saber explaining the Holy Grail War to Shirou, Shirou and Saber discussing strategy, Archer and Rin investigating the coma's and discovering that Caster's up to something, scouting the school and foreshadowing a couple of things, hinting at Shirou's character beyond the surface and the effects his past had on him, establishing that Fujimura and Sakura are like family to Shirou (which is important later), and Rin and Archer discussing their future plan of action, is now nothing of value, is it? |
tsudecimo said: astroprogs said: Did we watch the same episode? Yes. Unless you consider living arrangement important, nothing important happened. Do you have anything meaningful to say? or are you gonna post another meaningless one liner? 1-Establishing Ilya's motives. 2-Revelaing Sirou's view on the Master-Servant relationship. 3-Explaining the different types of Servants, and the Saber-class weakness. 4-Revealing Shirou's PTSD. 5-Showing Caster's misdeeds. 6-Showing Rin's mentality and inner struggle (which pays off in the next episode). 7-LOTS and LOTS of foreshadowing. Yup, absolutely nothing of value happened. |
astroprogs said: tsudecimo said: Yes. Unless you consider living arrangement important, nothing important happened. Do you have anything meaningful to say? or are you gonna post another meaningless one liner? 1-Establishing Ilya's motives. 2-Revelaing Sirou's view on the Master-Servant relationship. 3-Explaining the different types of Servants, and the Saber-class weakness. 4-Revealing Shirou's PTSD. 5-Showing Caster's misdeeds. 6-Showing Rin's mentality and inner struggle (which pays off in the next episode). 7-LOTS and LOTS of foreshadowing. Yup, absolutely nothing of value happened. ^tHIS Not a single of those points can be removed and every single one of them is important for for plot of this show. 1.Is self explanatory on why it is important. Not to mention it sets up a showcase of how different and inhuman Illya's lifestyle is. 2. Is incredibly important for Saber's characterization. 3. Leaving out this would make viewers be unable to comprehend what the fuck is going on because this is the first time we learn of servant classes and what servants are. 4. Again, incredibly important for Shirou's charaterization(as in the MAIN POINT of this show). 5. Nope, still can't be removed. Important to showcasng Rin's fighting style and Caster attracting their attenton. 6. Yet again ESPECIALLY important due to lack of monologues, since it is a direct contrast to Shirou's own struggle. |
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Insertanamehere said: So hinting Illyas motivations, revealing one of Berserkers NP's, revealing Shirou's healing power, establishing character relationships between Shirou and Saber and Shirou and Rin, Saber explaining the Holy Grail War to Shirou, Shirou and Saber discussing strategy, Archer and Rin investigating the coma's and discovering that Caster's up to something, scouting the school and foreshadowing a couple of things, hinting at Shirou's character beyond the surface and the effects his past had on him, establishing that Fujimura and Sakura are like family to Shirou (which is important later), and Rin and Archer discussing their future plan of action, is now nothing of value, is it? Motive, not motives. Literally one line ''I will make him suffer instead of Kiritsgu''. Coupled with the nonsense excuses for an inconclusive fight, this series seems to love. It was revealed but it's not exactly something big, especially since it was revealed to the viewer, not other characters, to use it for strategy. Hmm, I actually didn't see Shirou self healing, so my bad, that was important. Servant classes was already explained in the prologue with Rin and Archer. Saber class weakness was important I suppose. Discussing strategy is a stretch, they discussed why Saber can't discuss strategy and reveal her NP to him. What relationships were established? we already know Rin wouldn't attack Shirou. We will be enemies next time, was already said by her before. And nothing specific was established between Saber and Shirou relationship. They investageted but they didn't reach to anything worth the screen time, and bit of boring action sequences. Foreshadowing for?. Actually the scene between Shirou and Ayako was one of the few things that I found interesting, so I can agree to that. How was it established that they are family to him in this episode? I would think they already are like that, based on the past episodes, so this didn't bring anything new, except for the usual generic setup of supernatural school anime ''she is my acquaintances, she will be living with me''' and showing Sakura's jealousy (usually the childhood friend in other anime) Discussing future plans that ended up on Regarding the Rin scenes, I just don't think they established important plot points worthy of their screen time. Well the ''nothing'' was an obvious exaggeration, but I still think the episode was empty, only 2 or 3 being important, but at the same time, they didn't have most of the screen time. |
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tsudecimo said: Insertanamehere said: So hinting Illyas motivations, revealing one of Berserkers NP's, revealing Shirou's healing power, establishing character relationships between Shirou and Saber and Shirou and Rin, Saber explaining the Holy Grail War to Shirou, Shirou and Saber discussing strategy, Archer and Rin investigating the coma's and discovering that Caster's up to something, scouting the school and foreshadowing a couple of things, hinting at Shirou's character beyond the surface and the effects his past had on him, establishing that Fujimura and Sakura are like family to Shirou (which is important later), and Rin and Archer discussing their future plan of action, is now nothing of value, is it? Motive, not motives. Literally one line ''I will make him suffer instead of Kiritsgu''. Coupled with the nonsense excuses for an inconclusive fight, this series seems to love. It was revealed but it's not exactly something big, especially since it was revealed to the viewer, not other characters, to use it for strategy. Hmm, I actually didn't see Shirou self healing, so my bad, that was important. Servant classes was already explained in the prologue with Rin and Archer. Saber class weakness was important I suppose. Discussing strategy is a stretch, they discussed why Saber can't discuss strategy and reveal her NP to him. What relationships were established? we already know Rin wouldn't attack Shirou. We will be enemies next time, was already said by her before. And nothing specific was established between Saber and Shirou relationship. They investageted but they didn't reach to anything worth the screen time, and bit of boring action sequences. Foreshadowing for?. Actually the scene between Shirou and Ayako was one of the few things that I found interesting, so I can agree to that. How was it established that they are family to him in this episode? I would think they already are like that, based on the past episodes, so this didn't bring anything new, except for the usual generic setup of supernatural school anime ''she is my acquaintances, she will be living with me''' and showing Sakura's jealousy (usually the childhood friend in other anime) Discussing future plans that ended up on Regarding the Rin scenes, I just don't think they established important plot points worthy of their screen time. Well the ''nothing'' was an obvious exaggeration, but I still think the episode was empty, only 2 or 3 being important, but at the same time, they didn't have most of the screen time. But then his critical reasoning becomes useful. Get into an argument and write his critique in these terms only makes your comment is unnecessary. Think, analyze and come up with arguments grounded in at least something, even his own impression, not a "nothing of value happened." |
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HentaiPriest said: tsudecimo said: Motive, not motives. Literally one line ''I will make him suffer instead of Kiritsgu''. Coupled with the nonsense excuses for an inconclusive fight, this series seems to love. It was revealed but it's not exactly something big, especially since it was revealed to the viewer, not other characters, to use it for strategy. Hmm, I actually didn't see Shirou self healing, so my bad, that was important. Servant classes was already explained in the prologue with Rin and Archer. Saber class weakness was important I suppose. Discussing strategy is a stretch, they discussed why Saber can't discuss strategy and reveal her NP to him. What relationships were established? we already know Rin wouldn't attack Shirou. We will be enemies next time, was already said by her before. And nothing specific was established between Saber and Shirou relationship. They investageted but they didn't reach to anything worth the screen time, and bit of boring action sequences. Foreshadowing for?. Actually the scene between Shirou and Ayako was one of the few things that I found interesting, so I can agree to that. How was it established that they are family to him in this episode? I would think they already are like that, based on the past episodes, so this didn't bring anything new, except for the usual generic setup of supernatural school anime ''she is my acquaintances, she will be living with me''' and showing Sakura's jealousy (usually the childhood friend in other anime) Discussing future plans that ended up on Regarding the Rin scenes, I just don't think they established important plot points worthy of their screen time. Well the ''nothing'' was an obvious exaggeration, but I still think the episode was empty, only 2 or 3 being important, but at the same time, they didn't have most of the screen time. I love how all the scenes ended up as "they dont matter". Yeah...amazing.Oh btw I dont care if you cant see my replies.The desperate criticism is obvious anyway without me or others pointing it out. The problem is that you only think the characters interaction scenes or infodumps occurred in the episode, will be relevant or important or vital if you liked it or not. And well, you can not form a technical critique of the narrative / development, if just did not liked it or not, even if it affects your personal pleasure to watch. |
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tsudecimo said: Servant classes was already explained in the prologue with Rin and Archer. It was explained that they are summoned into separate classes, not why nor what those classes are. And nothing specific was established between Saber and Shirou relationship. Trust was established, as well as Shirou treating Saber as a human which Saber was surprised at. Regarding the Rin scenes, I just don't think they established important plot points worthy of their screen time. Considering the importance of Caster in this storyline yes they did. They also established clearly Rins conflict with herself and her confusion at Shirou's empathy towards her and how both of those things interconnect, which is very important for the contextualization of her actions next episode. . |
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It was explained that they are summoned into separate classes, not why nor what those classes are. Didn't seem like Saber added much insight on those classes. Only worthwhile information was the Saber class weakness. Trust was established, as well as Shirou treating Saber as a human which Saber was surprised at. I think those were better established in future episodes. Considering the importance of Caster in this storyline yes they did. They also established clearly Rins conflict with herself and her confusion at Shirou's empathy towards her and how both of those things interconnect, which is very important for the contextualization of her actions next episode. . It wasn't something intricate leading to a surprising conclusion. Maybe but the problem with this episode, was that they weren't a significant progression of the plot, most of the other episodes manage to have exposition, foreshadowing while still significantly advancing the plot forward and being interesting. This wasn't, hence the many complaints here about it being boring and ''nothing'' happened. |
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| What is plot progression?How much should a show progress in each ep?And why are you the one to decide when somethimg is significant? Seriously.Personal preference isnt criticism. |
tsudecimo said: It wasn't something intricate leading to a surprising conclusion. Maybe but the problem with this episode, was that they weren't a significant progression of the plot, most of the other episodes manage to have exposition, foreshadowing while still significantly advancing the plot forward and being interesting. This wasn't, hence the many complaints here about it being boring and ''nothing'' happened. There will be many foreshadowing that you won't be able to catch until the series end. Yeah, I mean you have no way to understand those foreshadowing unless you know the plot. So stick with it. Sometimes "nothing happens" is when something happens. Btw, I recommend rewatching the whole series when it is finished with the BD extras and all. You will have a totally new look at most of character interactions. |
| Slow as always, but the episode itself was okay. |
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| Slow episode, but that's fine. Looks like Taiga and Sakura will be staying with Shirou for a while. This is probably pretty dangerous :P |
Ando- said: Slow episode, but that's fine. Looks like Taiga and Sakura will be staying with Shirou for a while. This is probably pretty dangerous :P Actually |
| Cool backstories. Shirou is 100000 times more compelling as a character than Deen adaptation. |
Soul-Master said: Cool backstories. Shirou is 100000 times more compelling as a character than Deen adaptation. But people die when they're killed! |
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Soul-Master said: Cool backstories. Shirou is 100000 times more compelling as a character than Deen adaptation. And the VN makes him compelling by at least twice that amount. |
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ZeroDragon said: Soul-Master said: Cool backstories. Shirou is 100000 times more compelling as a character than Deen adaptation. And the VN makes him compelling by at least twice that amount. I feel sorry for the Fate / DEEN ... almost never have something to praise him ... perhaps because it is the first adaptation of something of Type-moon can be a compliment? |
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survivor_hero said: ZeroDragon said: And the VN makes him compelling by at least twice that amount. I feel sorry for the Fate / DEEN ... almost never have something to praise him ... perhaps because it is the first adaptation of something of Type-moon can be a compliment? I do love its soundtracks though, so there's that. |
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ZeroDragon said: survivor_hero said: I feel sorry for the Fate / DEEN ... almost never have something to praise him ... perhaps because it is the first adaptation of something of Type-moon can be a compliment? I do love its soundtracks though, so there's that. Really...I like of your version of Emiya... |
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| Dah, instead of smack talking, you guys should commend the viewer and give the anime some credits. =.= This proves that viewers can follow Shirou's character if they pay enough attention. |
chickenonthepan said: Dah, instead of smack talking, you guys should commend the viewer and give the anime some credits. =.= This proves that viewers can follow Shirou's character if they pay enough attention. No harm in promoting the VN ;) |
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ZeroDragon said: chickenonthepan said: Dah, instead of smack talking, you guys should commend the viewer and give the anime some credits. =.= This proves that viewers can follow Shirou's character if they pay enough attention. No harm in promoting the VN ;) ^ This. I really appreciate new viewers who can like anime and understand the depth of character of Shirou, but without doubt, the VN is the real thing. |
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chickenonthepan said: Dah, instead of smack talking, you guys should commend the viewer and give the anime some credits. =.= This proves that viewers can follow Shirou's character if they pay enough attention. Being a better character than DEENFSN does not say much Knowing he is fucked up in the head does not either. That's very basic things one can get about Shirou if the anime studio does not go out of their way to slander the character(but still do not go as indepth as needed) I find this whole "Omg he thinks Shirou is not annoying and has problems so that must mean the anime did a great job at representing the character" thing annoying and ridiculous tbh. Shirou's character does not begin or end with his problems |
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| Sometimes I get the feeling that if I ever read the VN, I'll be very disappointed with Shirou's character because I keep hearing about hhow clever and calculating and deep he (allegedly) is from Fai that my expectations will soon reach the point where no character could possibly live up to them. I mean, by now, I'm basically under the impression that he could destroy Light and Lelouch in a chess game battle of wits because of how clever and calculating he is in all the inner monologues that Ufotable didn't adapt. |
| Protip: Always assume Fai is taking things over the top. This is the guy that sees symbolism that Nasu probably never thought of. |
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fst said: Sometimes I get the feeling that if I ever read the VN, I'll be very disappointed with Shirou's character because I keep hearing about hhow clever and calculating and deep he (allegedly) is from Fai that my expectations will soon reach the point where no character could possibly live up to them. I mean, by now, I'm basically under the impression that he could destroy Light and Lelouch in a chess game battle of wits because of how clever and calculating he is in all the inner monologues that Ufotable didn't adapt. Well, this is one reason that makes me avoid now very long wars or discussions, since it would certainly be drowned in your despair and die and I still have of watch the season 2 of UBW. |
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CookingPriest said: I find this whole "Omg he thinks Shirou is not annoying and has problems so that must mean the anime did a great job at representing the character" thing annoying and ridiculous tbh. Don't twist other people' words, plz... Where does that come from? |
Just_ChickenFeb 14, 2015 9:56 AM
chickenonthepan said: CookingPriest said: I find this whole "Omg he thinks Shirou is not annoying and has problems so that must mean the anime did a great job at representing the character" thing annoying and ridiculous tbh. Don't twist other people' words, plz... Where does that come from? It's the implication of your post. He said Shirou is 100000 times more compelling here than DEEN, obviously meaning he disliked DEEN's Shirou (with good reason). Whereupon your reply indicated the idea that Shirou's character is portrayed properly as a result. His argument is that that's nothing to cheer about, just because people don't think Shirou's annoying doesn't mean Ufotable represented his character properly. |
Insertanamehere said: chickenonthepan said: Don't twist other people' words, plz... Where does that come from? It's the implication of your post. He said Shirou is 100000 times more compelling here than DEEN, obviously meaning he disliked DEEN's Shirou (with good reason). Whereupon your reply indicated the idea that Shirou's character is portrayed properly as a result. His argument is that that's nothing to cheer about, just because people don't think Shirou's annoying doesn't mean Ufotable represented his character properly. I only said: "give some credits". That means, there are parts of his character that Ufo represented properly. Don't you tell me that's not true. |
Insertanamehere said: chickenonthepan said: Don't twist other people' words, plz... Where does that come from? It's the implication of your post. He said Shirou is 100000 times more compelling here than DEEN, obviously meaning he disliked DEEN's Shirou (with good reason). Whereupon your reply indicated the idea that Shirou's character is portrayed properly as a result. His argument is that that's nothing to cheer about, just because people don't think Shirou's annoying doesn't mean Ufotable represented his character properly. ^Pretty much this. I just finding it damn tiring that every time someone says they DO NOT want to kill Shirou, chicken assumes this is doing great in terms of shirou character. Let's not use Deen-Shirou as a mettle please? |
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CookingPriest said: ^Pretty much this. I just finding it damn tiring that every time someone says they DO NOT want to kill Shirou, chicken assumes this is doing great in terms of shirou character. Let's not use Deen-Shirou as a mettle please? You have problem reading my comment right above? It's not like I even used italic |
CookingPriest said: Let's not use Deen-Shirou as a mettle please? you don't wanna use best Shirou as a mettle? I am dissapointed.... |
skudoops said: Really not sure why they felt they needed to put a bath scene with an 8 year old... but whatever I just skipped it once I realized what was up. |
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| Now wait just a minute. Why in the world would Iilya want to torture Shirou because of Kirutsugu? Moreover, why would she hate (/Zero spoiler) That teacher creep is zettai a Master. I could see it in his eyes. Wonder which Matou is participating in the War. |
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k0k0 said: Now wait just a minute. Why in the world would Iilya want to torture Shirou because of Kirutsugu? Moreover, why would she hate (/Zero spoiler) That teacher creep is zettai a Master. I could see it in his eyes. Wonder which Matou is participating in the War. I think it's only properly explained in Heaven's Feel. |
Stev said: ayy lmao |
HungryPriest said: k0k0 said: Now wait just a minute. Why in the world would Iilya want to torture Shirou because of Kirutsugu? Moreover, why would she hate (/Zero spoiler) That teacher creep is zettai a Master. I could see it in his eyes. Wonder which Matou is participating in the War. I think it's only properly explained in Heaven's Feel. Yeah Heaven's Feel. |
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| I should hope so. She's turned into a monster. |
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| Was it even in HF? Not to my recollection. IIRC Kirei just told Shirou the Einzbern version of events, and it wasn't clarified how Illya felt about this. k0k0 said: Now wait just a minute. Why in the world would Iilya want to torture Shirou because of Kirutsugu? Moreover, why would she hate (/Zero spoiler) Zero spoiler, potentially HF spoiler, or maybe Fate, in which case might as well read it because it's not getting animated |
xShigarakix said: ZeroDragon said: Yeah Heaven's Feel. really? i thought fate route No HF is basically Sakura's route just like UBW is Rin's route. |
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| We learn about Ilya's little vendetta against the Emiyas in the Fate Route. Does no one remember? |
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Insertanamehere said: Zero spoiler, potentially HF spoiler, or maybe Fate, in which case might as well read it because it's not getting animated Damn. |
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Mickdrew said: We learn about Ilya's little vendetta against the Emiyas in the Fate Route. Does no one remember? I thought it was HF. My bad. |
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Mickdrew said: We learn about Ilya's little vendetta against the Emiyas in the Fate Route. Does no one remember? Yes. In a bad end. And the extent of it is literally as much as this episode shows. WE PROPERLY learn it in UBW And the full details in HF. |
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| BD Rewatch Episode 4 - The illya added scene is one of the better anime-original scenes because it reveals information you would not know without experiencing two bad ends in fate route, allowing you to get a sense on Illya's motivations and personality as well why she is laying low now(Berserker is damaged needs to repair). - The servant exposition by saber in this episode is one of the only "decently" done exposition sequences in this show without too much missing. OF course they did not bother even explaining what each class means or what are the "Three Knight Classes" and why it is important....ANd it was not so hard to add "Knight of ___" to the important classes and then throw in the sentence on what that means, but LOLNO...Well at least Shirou for once holds even conversation without being insulted randomly. - Without explanations of how Magic Association handles "stand outs" who pose a risk of revealing their identities, an without explanations of capabilities of the Church anime onlies most likely can't even comprehend on how well grounded Shirou's assumption that Masters would not do anything in public places during the day is...And yet again his character suffers from that. - Still like the placement of psychological PTSD trigger for Shirou in this episode In ayako scene. STill without Shirou's monologue about his experiences in the fire in Episode 1 and what he has seen there or HOW it affected him, most of anime onlies are going to miss that brilliant moment or not understand it. - I like the anime-original scene of RIn fighting skeletons because it showcases that Rin is VERRRY STRONG as a magus but at the same time it ads up to portraying her as too perfect as most of her screw ups and goofball moments are removed for whatever reasons which makes what comes after this episode less believable for anime onlies. - The ending of "ill kill him" Does not properly portray RIn's conflicted state and that she does not believe in those words she said actually happening either, so no wonder people are confused latter. Overall this is probably THE best episode of this adaptation with actually decent portrayal of Shirou, good tone, etc an the only real flaws for this episode are how the flaws of all previous episodes and episodes to come affect it. Its as if it was written by entirely different production team. Old Score: 5/5 New Score: 5/5 |
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| I freaking love the ED! Kalafina! The OP too!!! |
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