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| @Judevin Odokawa is deff not ruled out in the list of possible culprit, but imo he's very unlikely to be it. Firstly, he despises criminals. He dislikes Dobu and his unjustly actions, he dislikes Big Daimon and his corruption, he dislikes Yamamoto and his desperation, and he's kinda debated with how to understand Shirakawa's position. Second, he would certainly not forget his victim. Third, he would not mention that he dropped off someone in the place of his crime if he was indeed the killer since that would only make him involved in the incident which he should really be avoiding. Fourth, he seems unbelievably calm while watching the news. His remark isn't even related to the crime but about how the dead Mitsuya is different from the Mitsuya that he drove with Yamamoto. Lastly, I consider Odokawa's fear of drowning or suffocation as a red herring to falsely accuse him of choking Mitsuya to death or to at least relate him in the incident, since my above statements have already pointed out how unlikely it is for Odokawa to be the murderer. Just my thoughts. |
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| Yeah, I thought about all of those as well. But that seems extremely obvious if Odokawa isn't the culprit, like he's the protagonist so there's no way he's the culprit. Right? That's the obvious conclusion. Here's the thing though, we experience the story through Odokawa, what if he is an unreliable narrator? He almost drowned, there is a high chance that he just represses his terrible memories, which is why he doesn't remember committing murder. Then there's also the "split personality" idea that I mentioned earlier, maybe Odokawa has a split personality who is a serial killer, or maybe is his repressed part taking over. Think Hulk and Bruce Banner, or the Beast from movie Split. Which can explain why he doesn't react at all to Mitsuya's murder because he doesn't remember, it wasn't him. While I won't say you're wrong since I had the same line of thought, I would like to have that Odokawa is the murderer plot twist at the end just because it makes more unexpected story telling. So yeah, I'm definitely with you in your thoughts, I just want that other plot twist because something about Odokawa doesn't add up for me, also because it would be much more unexpected for an anime to have that kind of an ending. EDIT: Would be crazy if it turns out Odokawa's whole shtick of "I hate criminals" is just bs, and he actually wants Dobu and Yano gone because they took his video recording where Mitsuya was in his taxi, and he doesn't want anyone to know he committed the murder so now he's playing this long game to get rid of all of them. We only see the story that Odokawa wants us to see, which makes him even more unreliable as a narrator. Either way, I hope it makes for an exciting ending. Thanks for sharing your opinion though. |
JudevinJun 16, 2021 8:25 PM
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Judevin said: Yeah, I thought about all of those as well. But that seems extremely obvious if Odokawa isn't the culprit, like he's the protagonist so there's no way he's the culprit. Right? That's the obvious conclusion. Here's the thing though, we experience the story through Odokawa, what if he is an unreliable narrator? He almost drowned, there is a high chance that he just represses his terrible memories, which is why he doesn't remember committing murder. Then there's also the "split personality" idea that I mentioned earlier, maybe Odokawa has a split personality who is a serial killer, or maybe is his repressed part taking over. Think Hulk and Bruce Banner, or the Beast from movie Split. Which can explain why he doesn't react at all to Mitsuya's murder because he doesn't remember, it wasn't him. While I won't say you're wrong since I had the same line of thought, I would like to have that Odokawa is the murderer plot twist at the end just because it makes more unexpected story telling. So yeah, I'm definitely with you in your thoughts, I just want that other plot twist because something about Odokawa doesn't add up for me, also because it would be much more unexpected for an anime to have that kind of an ending. EDIT: Would be crazy if it turns out Odokawa's whole shtick of "I hate criminals" is just bs, and he actually wants Dobu and Yano gone because they took his video recording where Mitsuya was in his taxi, and he doesn't want anyone to know he committed the murder so now he's playing this long game to get rid of all of them. We only see the story that Odokawa wants us to see, which makes him even more unreliable as a narrator. Either way, I hope it makes for an exciting ending. Thanks for sharing your opinion though. I understand and respect your thoughts but I have to disagree with it. Odokawa being an unreliable narrator is indeed possible and might also be a good device to turn the whole story in a half circle, but on the other side of the coin, it'll be a disappointing plot twist for a show who have already crafted the storyline painstakingly. Visual perception is one thing, but to alter the storyline would only create a lot of inconsistencies that will entirely ruin the buildup. But who knows? xd The first one was wrong lol sorry if you saw that |
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| This build up episode went by in a jiffy, but gave me enough knowledge of this storys universe to finally paint a ensemble ready for deliverance in the upcoming climax of the final episodes. Odokawa is finally established with these glimpses of his childhood self uncovered by doctor ape, revealing a double suicide that has left Odokawa into the seal he is today. I also want to see how the disappearance matures in the narrative over the climax, and if it is able to be solved. Kind Regards, JOMO |
suzuyakenn said: I would consider it THE most unique anime if that plot twist happens, but it's really just more of a "what if" scenario. I don't think it would ruin the plot, the little crumbs are all there for the plot twist, like you can see it coming if it does happen so I don't think it'll be disappointing whatsoever. Plot twists like these are why movies like Memento and Taxi Driver are considered classics, but I totally understand if they don't go through with it.I understand and respect your thoughts but I have to disagree with it. Odokawa being an unreliable narrator is indeed possible and might also be a good device to turn the whole story in a half circle, but on the other side of the coin, it'll be a disappointing plot twist for a show who have already crafted the storyline painstakingly. Visual perception is one thing, but to alter the storyline would only create a lot of inconsistencies that will entirely ruin the buildup. But who knows? xd The first one was wrong lol sorry if you saw that That said, if they really are trying to emulate the feel of Taxi Driver movie, then I would be impressed. Again, it's one of my fav anime this season regardless of which ending it goes with. But yeah, good discussion man. Cheers. |
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| The truth finally got revealed. What Yamamoto did is plain stupid. Why do a much more worse crime to cover up a crime you don't know shit about. Why go as far as dismembering the body. I get it that if they said the truth it would effect the groups' success or their boss would have beat the crap out of Yamamoto and the rest for not being able to protect Mitsuya since she's the daughter of the boss's friend. But if they were going to bring a Mitsuya lookalike and start over then they could've just made Sakura an official member and start over, there would've been fan disappointment but they would still be successful slowly. Their stupid deed is going to backfire them now that the dismembered body has been found. If Dobu found out that Yamamoto, Yano, Sekiguchi and Nikaido were behind this and made it public, then even the true excuse that Mitsuya was already killed by someone else wouldn't save them. They should've called the police and Nikaido could've made up a story and told the police that she called Mitsuya for something but when she arrived she found her dead. That way the police would investigate and they could've found the real killer. Anyway, it would be a twist if Shiho or Sakura turns out to be the real killer. I wonder what's written on the notebook. I guess the next episode we might get to know if that “theory” is right. |
| Oh man, that backstory! What they did with the body was so silly, though. And Goriki is getting closer to find what's going on with Odokawa. This show is crazy good! |
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| I should change my anime list design |
| Wouldn't be surprised if Odakawa was the one who killed Mitsuya. In any case, the reveal of the culprit gotta be a big shocker. |
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| Remember in an earlier episode, when Shiho said Nikaido would murder someone for her ambition ? I knew it was foreshadowing. She didn't murder Mitsuya but she would've and also hiding someone's dead body doesn't make you an angel either. The writing in this show is excellent, which is why I'm disappointed that the show didn't go for a more subtle way to reveal the mystery behind Mitsuya's disappearance, instead of thr straight forward exposition dump we got. |
| Ah so that's why Oodokawa said it's not her. I wonder who killed the real Mitsuya. I was so convinced that the dead body was that of Shiho-chan for wanting out of the badger games but man was I wrong. I'm thinking maybe the fake Mitsuya poisoned the real Mitsuya girl because she wanted to take over her spot? |
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| This Shit is Epic AND Everything is starting to Coming Together 8 OUT OF 10 |
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| Oh wow that was dark, with Mitsuya's death and Odakawa's parents committing suicide - and trying to take our main man with them! |
| I'm Bruneian and I like anime. And Manchester United. And fat cats. |
| Shit got real. Yuki Mitsuya is dead. We also get to know points regarding Odokawa's past. Everything is coming in full circle now. |
| ...Damn. Ok, we already know a lot about that girl, now we need to know why she was dead. But well, now the thing would be Odokawa, what is he going to do?. Great chapter. |
| OMG! Many answer been revealed yet many questions to come. The real Yuki Mitsuya is dead. So i understand now why Odokawa said it's not her when he watched the news. Because in Episode 5, Yamamoto and fake Yuki Mitsuya aka Sakura Wadagaki got into the taxi and Odokawa saw her face without a mask. But the real question here i remember Sakura helping Tanaka to put the phone in Odokawa taxi, why would she helping Tanaka? I think there is some connection here, are Sakura want Tanaka to killed Odokawa because she is the one who killed the Real Yuki Mitsuya? I can't think any other motivation for her to helping Tanaka unless they are related somehow but considering we didn't see her in Tanaka past, i can't think anything else. Wow Donraku is Yuki Mitsuya father? Isn't his face on the Eraser that Tanaka wanted as a child? I kinda forgot is why Donraku is famous for. Gouriki continue his investigation about Odokawa past, so that's why we saw a flash image about Odokawa thinking about Drowning. Now we need to see what's in the Notebook. This writing is absolutely Amazing!!! |
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| Poor Yuki.. but it wasn't Rui so, who was it? Feelsbad for Shibagaki, Baba's success has made him forget about his friend :/ |
| Sooo much is starting to make sense now, the story is getting more and more complicated and I can't wait! Goriki is such an amazing friend to try to help Odokawa, but I wonder what his plan is after he uncovers what's really going on with Odokawa? Also how is the bank robbery gonna go? I have a feeling it's not really gonna go according to plan and things are gonna end in explosions lol |
| desu desu binches |
| Why would you throw a dismembered body right in front of your own base? Well... Nikaidou is many things but not a murderer, it seems. Wonder if the girl who came in fourth place in the Mystery Kiss audition was the one who killed the real Mitsuya Yuki. Now on a side note, this might sound kinda weird given the characters here are all animals but the real Mitsuya was indeed really pretty. |
SouthRzVaSep 7, 2021 4:30 PM
| Almost the complete truth on what happened to the famous Donraku's daughter Mitsuya, can't wait to find out who the murderer is and why. Also curious to find out what the case is with Odokawa and his mysterious past with the 'double-suicide' incident of his parents. |
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| For some reason, this episode made me hate Nikaido |
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| I'm pretty sure Sakura killed Mitsuya and took her place. Also Odokawa sees all people as animals. I miss Tanaka. |
| I hate everyone equally |
| dang the plot thickens so who killed the idol Yuki |
| All this info dump just to tell me they did some stupid choices and why they keep dragging the reveal of why Odokawa see people as animal. Ugh. |
| Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well. Had the same thought instantly :D Wu-Tang <3 |
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| Holy shit I was almost thinking Nikaido was the one who killed Yuki. But why didn't they report this to the police? Why did they have to dismember her body and throw it into the sea? Also, who was the 'Yuki' we've been seeing until now? This episode showed us so much! The Donraku guy who has a super rare eraser in his name (which Tanaka wanted to get) is a crime boss, the father of Yuki and the classmate of the boss of Dobu and Yano. The missing girl had been dead for quite a while. Also, I don't understand why the new 'Yuki Mitsuya' placed a phone in Odokawa's taxi when she was on it. Well, hear me out...if Yuki was a cat then how can her gangsta dad have been a monkey?? Does this basically confirm that Odokawa sees other people as animals?? Baba sure became cocky after getting some success. Are we gonna get Odokawa's backstory from the diary from Goriki's perspective? |
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| Daaamn. Who knew that the missing Nerima girl is a member of the idol mystery kiss group? Absolute shocker. Nikaido happens to stumble upon Yuki Mitsuya's corpse on the night of her death. Sheeesh. I wonder what was the cause of Mitsuya's death. And who did it. Time to dispose of the body. So that's how Yamamoto got in contact with Yano and his goon. It all makes sense now. Now Nikaido is a by product of the crime of disposing the body into the water. Her fate is looking bleak if Mitsuya's body is discovered. Honestly, Mystery kiss done fucked up. |
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| Oh wow so thats why the agency was trying to secure the dash cam. Man too much info and everything leads to one another, I like this type of writing |
| I don't think a murder cover up was the smartest move to save your idol group lol. |
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| This episode was like 5 minutes long!!! I wish there was more than 13 episodes. So far, this has been a real delight and I don't want it to end. Props to those who watched it on a weekly basis rather than binging it like I basically did. Sooo, the girl in the taxi was a different girl... Imai, definitely noticed that the dance moves were off in the 1st or second episode. He then said that he knew it was 2 different people, a true fan fr. I wonder if Baba and Nikaido are dating. It seems like it. Goriki is a wholesome friend. I wonder how bad the diary must've been for the other doctor to be like "yeah GPs shouldn't see this". Its a possibility that the fake Yuki killed the real Yuki in order to be in Mystery Kiss, but how did she find the real Yuki? |
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| Finally some important stuff uncovered, more to come |
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