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Jan 28, 2021 10:31 AM

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very good ep, finally we have closure about Satoko being a red herring or not, this is finally getting really interesting
Jan 28, 2021 10:32 AM

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Jin_uzuki said:
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Imagine ignoring every discussion ever had in the previous episodes just to make a victory lap after nobody won anything.....Only Takano was explained and in the end it amounts to nothing regarding Rika's or Satoko's situation in Gou.

Was Takano explained? We only know she chose to give up, but as Rika said, the "Takano she knew" would never do that. Unless she has post Matsuribashi's memories, but how?
I mean her motive for leaving was explained.

Now why she made a 180? Who knows....Seems like the series doesn't really care. Or maybe this is also a trick and after "defeating" Satoko, Takano returns as the true final boss.
Jan 28, 2021 10:33 AM

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If Satoko is the antagonist in some way, has she been looping for a while...? Or does she have memories of the 5~ years before Rika got sent back to this loop? I ignore any way Rika acts because she's technically 100 years old, but Satoko is still a child, right?
Jan 28, 2021 10:37 AM

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Gar_Logan said:
If Satoko is the antagonist in some way, has she been looping for a while...? Or does she have memories of the 5~ years before Rika got sent back to this loop? I ignore any way Rika acts because she's technically 100 years old, but Satoko is still a child, right?
Probably, maybe, we will find out. Or not. Who knows?

This could very well end up as "Satoko was lonely cause Rika went to a proper school and some higher power gave her looping powers", so it is anyone's guess till the series amazes us or disappoints us with an explanation.

Maybe we will get that Satoko was always a looper and just misses those good old days when everyone was dying.
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Jan 28, 2021 10:39 AM

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I fucking knew it. Now the headpat scene makes sense. Man, 2nd cour is really kicking up a gear

Jan 28, 2021 10:41 AM

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NANSHIRo said:
I fucking knew it. Now the headpat scene makes sense. Man, 2nd cour is really kicking up a gear


Sorry my memory is bad, but what scene do you mean?
Jan 28, 2021 10:41 AM
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Cope.
Your tears are very delicious.
"muh gore"
"muh toture porn"
I guess Gou really is the filter for those who actually are smart and know how to solve a mystery and those that complain endlessly about a single character getting hurt.
Nekodamashi gave payoff for all of the three previous arcs, essentially answering all of our questions at once.
Nekodamashi was a perfect answer arc. I'll enjoy the cope from your endless posts in this thread.
Any sane person should ignore the opinions of the 4 above. Since they have such obviously bad takes that their opinions deserve to be discarded.
Jan 28, 2021 10:41 AM
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It is previous obvious now, the masterming is Lambdadelta using Satoko as proxy. All the discussion about someone rolling the dice and everything good happening sounds "Certainty" (Lambdadelta attribute) to me.

But I think Satoko it is a looper not in the same sense than Rika. She does not remember everthing like Rika, but remember when Lambda (her master) makes her remember and this trigger the red eye Satoko. Remembering the trap box trigger the transformation in this episode and Rika did all this to confirm her hypothesis.
Jan 28, 2021 10:42 AM

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Tsukumo_Yuuma said:
Honestly i hated how predictable this episode was, we knew from Watadamashi that Satoko was sus and there was millions of Satoko looper theories and now it's just confirmed?! WTC was never this predictable. And the Takano stuff we kinda knew about too (we knew from Onidamashi that she isn't planning GHD this time).
You said pretty much what I wanted to say, but I had no sleep, so don't expect me to make a lot of sense. It was predictable af. I agree.

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If anyone has to celebrate is me because I was the one saying that Satoko was faking it in Tataridamashi. But noooo, R07 would never do that....
One thing I wasn't paying attention back in time. Ooishi is shown carrying the bat, but there's no blood on his clothes at all, contrary to Satoko. That ends up being not too relevant because it's possible that they forgot to stain his clothes with blood. Yes, I expect them to be that incompetent.

Oh and forgot to mention, yeah, that gun coming out of nowhere was ridiculous lmao.
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Jan 28, 2021 10:42 AM

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ssjokg said:
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If Satoko is the antagonist in some way, has she been looping for a while...? Or does she have memories of the 5~ years before Rika got sent back to this loop? I ignore any way Rika acts because she's technically 100 years old, but Satoko is still a child, right?
Probably, maybe, we will find out. Or not. Who knows?

This could very well end up as "Satoko was lonely cause Rika went to a proper school and some higher power gave her looping powers", so it is anyone's guess till the series amazes us or disappoints us with an explanation.

Maybe we will get that Satoko was always a looper and just misses those good old days where everyone was dying.


It would honestly make Satoko one of the most irredeemable characters in this franchise to be honest. I really wonder if R07 can get out of this situation without making you feel like everything in the original didn't matter and Teppei was the hero we deserved.
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Jan 28, 2021 10:43 AM

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Where did she hide the weapon? WHY WAS SHE CARRYING A WEAPON IN THE FIRST PLACE? That was so dumb lmao.

Jan 28, 2021 10:48 AM

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Medialuna said:
Where did she hide the weapon? WHY WAS SHE CARRYING A WEAPON IN THE FIRST PLACE? That was so dumb lmao.
I didn't even think of that LMAO. I think they wanted it to end on a cliff hanger and hoped we wouldn't notice.
Jan 28, 2021 10:49 AM

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Jin_uzuki said:
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Probably, maybe, we will find out. Or not. Who knows?

This could very well end up as "Satoko was lonely cause Rika went to a proper school and some higher power gave her looping powers", so it is anyone's guess till the series amazes us or disappoints us with an explanation.

Maybe we will get that Satoko was always a looper and just misses those good old days where everyone was dying.


It would honestly make Satoko one of the most irremediable characters in this franchise to be honest. I really wonder if R07 can get out of this situation without making you feel like everything in the original didn't matter


This is what I've been thinking ever since Satako Looper series started popping up. I don't see how the story can end without her being completely irredeemable.
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Gar_Logan said:
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I fucking knew it. Now the headpat scene makes sense. Man, 2nd cour is really kicking up a gear


Sorry my memory is bad, but what scene do you mean?

https://youtu.be/EsizI5fq8ak
At the end of the 2nd episode of Tataridamashi (episode 10) the voice acting was like she's faking it and she hit K1 hand before he touched her (that's kinda normal but the voice acting was very weird and me and @ssjokg said she probably was faking it)
Jan 28, 2021 10:52 AM

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Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaattattttttt!!!!!!!!!!

Ok, when Rika went to the shrine and started remembering what Hanyuu said, it automatically made me think that there was another looper besides her. Then, her conversation with Satoko made the latter look very suspicious and finally.... BAM! That happened, damn. You could see it coming but it was still shocking.

And again... whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaattt!!!

So, 2 military forces were behind all this? Tomitake, Takano, the lolicon doctor, that group of workers we had seen in previous arcs... Now that I remember, hadn't those people gone to attack Mion's place in her arc? We also have Hinamizawa syndrome in drug form, Satoko's brother alive in an underground lab but with the syndrome.... my brain is going to explode haha. This episode has too much to process for a first timer xD.
Jan 28, 2021 10:53 AM

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Gar_Logan said:
NANSHIRo said:
I fucking knew it. Now the headpat scene makes sense. Man, 2nd cour is really kicking up a gear


Sorry my memory is bad, but what scene do you mean?

The scene from ep 10 when Keichi is about to pat Satoko's head,she stopa him, freaks out and vomits
Well in the OG she freaked out after the headpat

Jan 28, 2021 10:54 AM
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It's a shame that I haven't been enjoying these recent episodes much but I'm just glad this arc is wrapped up and this episode didn't spam over-the top and unnecessary gore for many minutes straight.

So the theories were right and Satoko was the antagonist huh? ngl I wasn't expecting all those theories to be true and I thought Satoko was only acting sus as a way to throw the audience off guard so it would be more surprising that another character was the looper. It felt somewhat obvious over time that it was Satoko but hopefully Satokowashi hen is at least better than episode 15,16 and 17. I wish I could say I'm looking forward to next week but idk anymore..




Jan 28, 2021 10:55 AM
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Marinate1016 said:
I know a lot of people aren’t feeling Gou, but I’ve thoroughly enjoyed it, more than the OG tbh. I’m looking forward to where this goes


I actually thought the original was boring a lot of the time, because I didn't really enjoy the slice of life or the murders most of the time. But I kept watching because of the mystery, and when the senarios started to change in gou that's when it really got interesting for me.
Jan 28, 2021 10:58 AM

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Moon_man2 said:
Marinate1016 said:
I know a lot of people aren’t feeling Gou, but I’ve thoroughly enjoyed it, more than the OG tbh. I’m looking forward to where this goes


I actually thought the original was boring a lot of the time, because I didn't really enjoy the slice of life or the murders most of the time. But I kept watching because of the mystery, and when the senarios started to change in gou that's when it really got interesting for me.
... But literally half of Gou is the original story 1:1 without the original mysteries and extremely small changes...

Jan 28, 2021 10:58 AM
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I fucking knew it. Now the headpat scene makes sense. Man, 2nd cour is really kicking up a gear



Another big giveaway to me would be the end of tataridamashi hen where Satoko just so happened to lead Keiichi conveniently towards his death with the whole uncle thing. Just the way Satoko lead him to his death like that really made her stick out



Jan 28, 2021 11:00 AM

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Tsukumo_Yuuma said:
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Sorry my memory is bad, but what scene do you mean?

https://youtu.be/EsizI5fq8ak
At the end of the 2nd episode of Tataridamashi (episode 10) the voice acting was like she's faking it and she hit K1 hand before he touched her (that's kinda normal but the voice acting was very weird and me and @ssjokg said she probably was faking it)
Can I say how bad it feels for it to be so predictable since back then?

I really dont want Satoko to be like that because "She was lonely" but cant see a a proper in character reason other than that.

Jan 28, 2021 11:05 AM

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About damn time Rika figured something.

I mean, about everyone by now expected Satoko because she was SUS as hell through the whole thing.

Now, how to deal with this little shit!
Jan 28, 2021 11:07 AM
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Jin_uzuki said:
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I actually thought the original was boring a lot of the time, because I didn't really enjoy the slice of life or the murders most of the time. But I kept watching because of the mystery, and when the senarios started to change in gou that's when it really got interesting for me.
... But literally half of Gou is the original story 1:1 without the original mysteries and extremely small changes...


It's the fact that the characters acted difrently and that led to difrently endings that I got fascinated with.
Jan 28, 2021 11:08 AM

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ssjokg said:
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https://youtu.be/EsizI5fq8ak
At the end of the 2nd episode of Tataridamashi (episode 10) the voice acting was like she's faking it and she hit K1 hand before he touched her (that's kinda normal but the voice acting was very weird and me and @ssjokg said she probably was faking it)
Can I say how bad it feels for it to be so predictable since back then?

I really dont want Satoko to be like that because "She was lonely" but cant see a a proper in character reason other than that.


Yeah i never thought that predicting the answers beforehand would feel this bad (i said that in a previous comment).
It's not like anyone uncovered a hidden clue and we solved the mystery with it, it was SO OBVIOUS and Satoko theories were all over the place i started to think it's just red herring and R07 won't just give the solution away.
I don't think he can give any reason that will make Satoko redeemable unless she is being mind controlled by some witch or some weird shit.
I guess there won't be another season, the next arc will just explain Satoko's motivations and how she fucked Rika in the previous loops (which is kinda obvious now too, she was holding the same gun she killed(or at least tried to kill) Mion with in Watadamashi).
Jan 28, 2021 11:09 AM

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Moon_man2 said:
Jin_uzuki said:
... But literally half of Gou is the original story 1:1 without the original mysteries and extremely small changes...


It's the fact that the characters acted difrently and that led to difrently endings that I got fascinated with.


That's...literally the whole basic premise of Higurashi...
Jan 28, 2021 11:12 AM
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My theory it is after Hannyu vanishes (or Featherine recovering), Lambdadelta change tactics and change her piece from Takano to Satoko. This why Takano abandons everything (and Rika observation that Takano would never abandon her plans in 100 years )

EDIT: And Satoko mentioning Oyashiro-sama several times was always suspect.
Jan 28, 2021 11:16 AM

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Considering the reveal of this ep, I think this meme of Tataridamashi is likely true XD
Jan 28, 2021 11:17 AM

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Tbh "witches made me do it" is almost as bad as "I put you through an inhuman torture because I was lonely :(".

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ssjokg said:
Tsukumo_Yuuma said:

https://youtu.be/EsizI5fq8ak
At the end of the 2nd episode of Tataridamashi (episode 10) the voice acting was like she's faking it and she hit K1 hand before he touched her (that's kinda normal but the voice acting was very weird and me and @ssjokg said she probably was faking it)
Can I say how bad it feels for it to be so predictable since back then?

I really dont want Satoko to be like that because "She was lonely" but cant see a a proper in character reason other than that.


maybe someone is pulling the strings. Well, we will find out next episode

Jan 28, 2021 11:20 AM

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Can I say how bad it feels for it to be so predictable since back then?

I really dont want Satoko to be like that because "She was lonely" but cant see a a proper in character reason other than that.


maybe someone is pulling the strings. Well, we will find out next episode

That doesn't make it better, and ofc there's someone helping/controlling Satoko she can't just loop by herself.
Jan 28, 2021 11:21 AM
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Jin_uzuki said:
Tbh "witches made me do it" is almost as bad as "I put you through an inhuman torture because I was lonely :(".


I think maybe in the case of "witches made me do it" they only made "pieces" do what is possible for them to do it in the first place. The motivations is already there. (Like in Umineko every accomplice have a motivation in the different episodes)
Jan 28, 2021 11:23 AM
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ssjokg said:
Moon_man2 said:


It's the fact that the characters acted difrently and that led to difrently endings that I got fascinated with.


That's...literally the whole basic premise of Higurashi...


I knew what loop they were in and I knew how it was gonna end but because someone did something difrently from how they did it in the original something different happend. The fact that I got to see a different varient of the same story was what fascinated me.
Jan 28, 2021 11:24 AM
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2077 said:
another interesting episode. was that opening scene like an alternate timeline? seemed like rika finally got a good ending but then satoko pulls a pistol outta nowhere lmao… i knew something was up, seemed way too sketchy

I think its just from the 2nd to last arc of kai
Jan 28, 2021 11:29 AM
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In this episode they show the briefcase with the syringes. Satoko probably in all the arcs prior to this, cause the Hinamizawa Syndrome in all the culprits in every arc using these?
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Interesting episode. Satoko being the looper is confirmed. I didn't want her to be because I love her character (I love the whole club), but there was too much stacked against her. If she truly faked her abuse, breakdown and Hinamizawa Syndrome (which is likely), I'm going to hate Gou so much :(

I would have liked them to explain the reasons Takano had to regret what she did and turn around. Some people have been suspecting she is getting flashbacks, but it could also be her finding out what Nomura intended for her, or plain and simple regret. There's also the chance that Lambdadelta manipulated Takano into repenting as soon as she got her new piece Satoko.

As the Banken arrest Okonogi and the Yamainu on the grounds of unlawful execution of Emergency Manual 34, it means that people still believe that Rika's death will cause the village to go mad en masse. I'm wondering if this means that it was executed in the loops when Rika died before Takano had fled, i.e., Akasaka, Akane and Keiichi worlds.

Now we know that the sus men saying the clinic was remodeling were the Banken, not the Yamainu. This means that the ones we saw tailing Mion and Keiichi were probably the Banken as well. Killing Mion and Satoko is something I could see the Yamainu doing to cover up HS, but it seems too extreme for the Banken who seem more about maintaining the facade, e.g. not killing Satoshi but taking him for treatment instead. I wish we would get a little more clarifiaction on that front before the end.

I'm guessing that in the first arc, Satoko tried to convince Rika not to leave Hinamizawa, but Rika resisted and she ended up killing her with the knife and then herself to restart the loop. Either that, or Rika committed suicide and then Satoko did too. Stabbing another person in the neck with a knife seems pretty specific, in fact we only saw Akasaka do it because he thought that was where the parasites were. So that's why I don't rule out Rika committing suicide just yet.

I found interesting that Satoko mentioned Oyashiro-sama again when talking to Rika at the viewing platform. As we have mentioned in the discussion for episode 16, Satoko has never been an Oyashiro-sama fanatic. I wonder if that's because she knows of Rika's special connection with Hanyuu or because she's being controlled and looped either by Hanyuu herself or by someone pretending to be Hanyuu. More on that later.

Tbh, I found Satoko blowing her cover really stupid. As someone said above, it's not like that KO punch seemed extremely painful to warrant that reaction. And even if it did, Satoko could have brushed it all off and been like "I peeked into that box yesterday and it punched me real bad. You didn't see it because I went to wash my face off immediately". Sure, it would still have been damning evidence, but she didn't have to go and pull a gun on Rika. Why end everything like that when she has already achieved her endgame and she could still brush off the mistake? Speaking of which, it's the same gun that was found between Mion and Satoko in Watadamashi, so Satoko brought her gun confirmed.

What I'm really curious about is: how involved is Satoko in everything? And who is controlling her loop?

As for the first question, the glowy eyes got me thinking. Is she possessed by some being like Lambdadelta, or are those just looper eyes? As both Satoko and Rika's eyes are red, does that mean they are being possessed by the same being? If not, what are exactly the eyes supposed to mean? Both Rika and Satoko have had moments when they talk with the knowledge of the past and their eyes don't glow. So it can't be simply to express that the older conscience is speaking. I hope we get an answer to this.

Linked to this question is: how much does Satoko know? I don't think she knows that Rika is looping because, otherwise, revealing herself would have been even more stupid. If she doesn't know Rika is looping, is she going to act all normal when waking up in the next timeline? That would be extremely weid, but it's the only way I see for her to be taken down by surprise. How much does she know of the other fragments? Because people affected by HS in Nekodamashi have been talking about parasites and about toxic gas consuming the village, and the latter is specifically something they could have known from a failed world.

As for second question, Satoko has mentioned Oyashiro-sama, including talking to her, so maybe this means she's being controlled by Hanyuu. Of course, that would mean that Hanyuu was lying to Rika about being gone and what not. The fact that Hanyuu knows each failed fragment and the people who are the most important to Rika gives weight to Hanyuu's involvement, but... if she were looping Satoko too, why would she tell Rika about Onigari-no-ryou? Unless this is a super machiavellian plan where she uses Satoko to accomplish her means and then has her killed, but that doesn't seem like Hanyuu. But then, Satoko killing her best friend/orchestrating her death all because she left Hinamizawa with Satoko, if the flashbacks mean anything, doesn't seem like her either, so who knows at this point.

Besides Hanyuu, the loop controllers could be either Lambdadelta or Featherine. But unlike OG, if they're going to be behind the loops, they need be introduced somehow into the story, maybe with a Hanyuu-like avatar. Their motive is probably to have fun because they're bored, and they manipulated Satoko into doing the muscle work by playing into her feelings of abandonment... which, again, seems weird since Satoko appeared to be with Rika during a high school flashback. This further begs the question of how much does Satoko know.

Overall, this episode was much better than the previous two, but not better than 14, which is still my favourite Gou episode. Now I'm going to go and feel heartbroken about Satoko being a villain.

Edit: is there a possibility that Irie is complicit with Satoko? I think the suitcase with the H173 syringes is implicating that Satoko was injecting people to go insta-L5, but I don't think it's possible for her to get that suitcase on her own...
I would doubly hate them for ruining Irie :(
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Considering the reveal of this ep, I think this meme of Tataridamashi is likely true XD


Now we need a "Do it for him" pic for Teppei.

Jan 28, 2021 11:32 AM

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R07: "Newcomers can watch this series."

So that was a fucking lie.

Other than that, for an old fan, amazing episode. I loved that twist and how, to the very end, you can feel that something is wrong with Satoko, but you can't really be sure until Rika got that box out and Rika reacted to it the way she did.


well he said they can watch it but didn't say they can understand it lol bamboozled
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So Takano is remembering what she did in Minagoroshi through all these arcs? Rika doesn't even remember Minagoroshi lmao. I thought Nomura was bailing, but Takano was bailing instead. What interested me was already revealed, about what happened in Tokyo.

And some people were saying we were still on the question arcs lol. The answer arcs also end up badly. Ngl, Rika was pretty clever this time. She was sus, but needed evidence that Satoko was looping. Now all that is needed is restrain her and hammer down that shard on her neck. They both have weak bodies, but Satoko is at advantage though. I really hope that what happened in St. Lucia is shown at any part of the last arc.

Honestly, they should have let Satoko be dissected at the second year.


So I watched the og higurashi + kai, I know that st Lucia has been mentioned a few times this series. Is there another ova or something where we see her time at st Lucia?
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Was Takano explained? We only know she chose to give up, but as Rika said, the "Takano she knew" would never do that. Unless she has post Matsuribashi's memories, but how?
I mean her motive for leaving was explained.

Now why she made a 180? Who knows....Seems like the series doesn't really care. Or maybe this is also a trick and after "defeating" Satoko, Takano returns as the true final boss.


Since this world the "new" pawn's doing, makes sense that Satoko talked sense into Takano 🤣
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So Takano is remembering what she did in Minagoroshi through all these arcs? Rika doesn't even remember Minagoroshi lmao. I thought Nomura was bailing, but Takano was bailing instead. What interested me was already revealed, about what happened in Tokyo.

And some people were saying we were still on the question arcs lol. The answer arcs also end up badly. Ngl, Rika was pretty clever this time. She was sus, but needed evidence that Satoko was looping. Now all that is needed is restrain her and hammer down that shard on her neck. They both have weak bodies, but Satoko is at advantage though. I really hope that what happened in St. Lucia is shown at any part of the last arc.

Honestly, they should have let Satoko be dissected at the second year.


So I watched the og higurashi + kai, I know that st Lucia has been mentioned a few times this series. Is there another ova or something where we see her time at st Lucia?


There isn't an ova for that



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man this best anime japan offered for like 10 year

recently I start to restore my hope for the anime industry

can't wait for the next episode
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So Takano is remembering what she did in Minagoroshi through all these arcs? Rika doesn't even remember Minagoroshi lmao. I thought Nomura was bailing, but Takano was bailing instead. What interested me was already revealed, about what happened in Tokyo.

And some people were saying we were still on the question arcs lol. The answer arcs also end up badly. Ngl, Rika was pretty clever this time. She was sus, but needed evidence that Satoko was looping. Now all that is needed is restrain her and hammer down that shard on her neck. They both have weak bodies, but Satoko is at advantage though. I really hope that what happened in St. Lucia is shown at any part of the last arc.

Honestly, they should have let Satoko be dissected at the second year.


So I watched the og higurashi + kai, I know that st Lucia has been mentioned a few times this series. Is there another ova or something where we see her time at st Lucia?

No we didnt even know she went there till ep2 of Gou.

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I mean her motive for leaving was explained.

Now why she made a 180? Who knows....Seems like the series doesn't really care. Or maybe this is also a trick and after "defeating" Satoko, Takano returns as the true final boss.


Since this world the "new" pawn's doing, makes sense that Satoko talked sense into Takano 🤣

Nah Takano just accepted defeat after a random "broccoli or cauliflower" test.
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HOLY SHIT AMAKUSA IS THAT YOU

And as suspected, Satoko is the culprit. Which explains how people like Oishi and Akasaka caught the syndrome

My understanding is that Takano is obviously not being used as a piece by Lambdadelta anymore, but someone is obviously using Satoko. Who? My best guess would be Featherine, especially seeing as Hayuus horn was growing back the last time we saw her

Sasuga Ryukishi, never fails to dissapoint
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z00nex said:
So Satoko was the looper all along? Damn that came out of nowhere. The reveal was great.


There was some hints on the previous arcs, people started to give that kind of theories since 2 o 3 arcs before, and in this one started to be quite obvious when Satoko knows a lot on the "removing guts" scene.
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So Satoko was the looper all along? Damn that came out of nowhere. The reveal was great.


There was some hints on the previous arcs, people started to give that kind of theories since 2 o 3 arcs before, and in this one started to be quite obvious when Satoko knows a lot on the "removing guts" scene.
I was the only one who didn't think about it then I guess. I know how dumb I am so it's no surprise lol.
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I actually thought the original was boring a lot of the time, because I didn't really enjoy the slice of life or the murders most of the time. But I kept watching because of the mystery, and when the senarios started to change in gou that's when it really got interesting for me.
... But literally half of Gou is the original story 1:1 without the original mysteries and extremely small changes...


I bet a lot of those small changes were just hints that satoko was looping. Pretty ballsy to spend a whole cour to just sprinkle 5 mins worth of hints.
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So I watched the og higurashi + kai, I know that st Lucia has been mentioned a few times this series. Is there another ova or something where we see her time at st Lucia?


There isn't an ova for that


Damn so we never get to see that? I was wondering how after her win she ended up back in hinamizawa looping again
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Medialuna said:
Where did she hide the weapon? WHY WAS SHE CARRYING A WEAPON IN THE FIRST PLACE? That was so dumb lmao.


I went on the forum just to ask that lol.
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SUDDENLY, AMAKUSA: 10/10
Satoko forma de naruto 10/10

Overall rating: extremely kino
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Tsukumo_Yuuma said:
Honestly i hated how predictable this episode was, we knew from Watadamashi that Satoko was sus and there was millions of Satoko looper theories and now it's just confirmed?! WTC was never this predictable. And the Takano stuff we kinda knew about too (we knew from Onidamashi that she isn't planning GHD this time).


This is how I feel. It's as if OG had had the Sonozakis as culprits. And as if it hadn't cast almost any suspicion on Takano and Ooishi.

Thanos_ said:
It is previous obvious now, the masterming is Lambdadelta using Satoko as proxy. All the discussion about someone rolling the dice and everything good happening sounds "Certainty" (Lambdadelta attribute) to me.

But I think Satoko it is a looper not in the same sense than Rika. She does not remember everthing like Rika, but remember when Lambda (her master) makes her remember and this trigger the red eye Satoko. Remembering the trap box trigger the transformation in this episode and Rika did all this to confirm her hypothesis.


That's an interesting possibility. But her constant reminding Rika to be happy and to love Hinamizawa and her seem to indicate she always remembers. Still, being possessed by Lambda would explain why she suddenly had her eyes glow red and pointed her gun at Rika. It almost seemed like someone was acting for her because, seriously, you want Rika to stay with you forever and when she does, you kill her over a small slip?

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Probably, maybe, we will find out. Or not. Who knows?

This could very well end up as "Satoko was lonely cause Rika went to a proper school and some higher power gave her looping powers", so it is anyone's guess till the series amazes us or disappoints us with an explanation.

Maybe we will get that Satoko was always a looper and just misses those good old days where everyone was dying.


It would honestly make Satoko one of the most irremediable characters in this franchise to be honest. I really wonder if R07 can get out of this situation without making you feel like everything in the original didn't matter and Teppei was the hero we deserved.


That's what I have been worrying about ever since the Satoko looper theories started. We can forgive Satoko for attempting to kill Keiichi in Tatarigoroshi because she's not herself at L5. But coldly calculating and planning gruesome deaths for Rika is a different level.

On the other hand, I'm still giving them the benefit of doubt because Matsuribayashi made me feel sorry for Takano at times. So who knows if they will make me feel sorry for Satoko. Admittedly, having your parents die early in life, then being physically and psychologically abused for months and then seeing the only person who had ever shown her kindness be mercilessly mocked for his life's work seems a better motive than "my best fwiend moved away and I felt wonewy".

Also, it's sad that this is the impression newcomers are going to get from Satoko. Not the girl who went through so much shit in life but still managed to stay strong and smile, not the girl who learned from her mistake with Satoshi and endured so much because she wanted to be strong for him, not the girl who learnt that being strong meant facing your problems and asking for help... but the loli who tortured and killed her best friend repeatedly because she moved away.

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Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaattattttttt!!!!!!!!!!

Ok, when Rika went to the shrine and started remembering what Hanyuu said, it automatically made me think that there was another looper besides her. Then, her conversation with Satoko made the latter look very suspicious and finally.... BAM! That happened, damn. You could see it coming but it was still shocking.

And again... whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaattt!!!

So, 2 military forces were behind all this? Tomitake, Takano, the lolicon doctor, that group of workers we had seen in previous arcs... Now that I remember, hadn't those people gone to attack Mion's place in her arc? We also have Hinamizawa syndrome in drug form, Satoko's brother alive in an underground lab but with the syndrome.... my brain is going to explode haha. This episode has too much to process for a first timer xD.


I'm so sorry to hear that :( there is a lot of information to process in one single episode. Of course I know you must be tired of hearing this, but I would recommend you to read the OG series (or watch the two first seasons of the anime if you don't want to read the VNs). While many of the mysteries are already resolved in Gou and you won't get as many surprises, there are many things that are explained in more detail and you can understand everything better, not only of the things you have mentioned, but also about the characters' motivations and personalities. Besides, even if you already have the answer to many mysteries, there are also some that aren't addressed in Gou and that can keep you interested in the story.
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