Schlopsi said: (20) Watch an anime with at least one human child as a main character: I'd appreciate a short recommendation due to limited time available. Please no specials, etc. belonging to series I haven't seen yet. Thanks! ~ went to check briefly your PTW, there you have a shorter one that seems valid https://myanimelist.net/anime/9782/Norageki using https://myanimelist.net/character/42732/Ota_Onna |
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| can a challenge staff member recommend me an anime to watch for my last minute attempt of the watch challenge? |
arctic-owl said: can a challenge staff member recommend me an anime to watch for my last minute attempt of the watch challenge? I am unable to access your list to be able to see what you have watched so here are a few of my favorites that you might not have seen. https://myanimelist.net/anime/20583/Haikyuu https://myanimelist.net/anime/13601/Psycho-Pass https://myanimelist.net/anime/9289/Hanasaku_Iroha https://myanimelist.net/anime/329/Planetes https://myanimelist.net/anime/1818/Claymore |
 Good Lord, BeanChagBear just walked through the clubhouse walking perfectly normally. He said he had “no time” to talk. Too busy watching anime, evidently. |
| Question for an admin: For Anime Challenge Entry 61 (Watch an anime that mainly takes place outside of Japan, but still on Earth), will Kekkai Sensen & Beyond work for this entry? |
| Notice: I read most manga in Japanese now so I'm not sure where you can read in English. Sorry in advance. |
BeanChagBear said: arctic-owl said: can a challenge staff member recommend me an anime to watch for my last minute attempt of the watch challenge? I am unable to access your list to be able to see what you have watched so here are a few of my favorites that you might not have seen. https://myanimelist.net/anime/20583/Haikyuu https://myanimelist.net/anime/13601/Psycho-Pass https://myanimelist.net/anime/9289/Hanasaku_Iroha https://myanimelist.net/anime/329/Planetes https://myanimelist.net/anime/1818/Claymore Thank you very much, Psycho-Pass looks interesting. I don't really know how to correctly format this in my challenge list though |
hai_X_is said: Question for an admin: For Anime Challenge Entry 61 (Watch an anime that mainly takes place outside of Japan, but still on Earth), will Kekkai Sensen & Beyond work for this entry? Yes, it is confirmed to be valid. arctic-owl said: BeanChagBear said: I am unable to access your list to be able to see what you have watched so here are a few of my favorites that you might not have seen. https://myanimelist.net/anime/20583/Haikyuu https://myanimelist.net/anime/13601/Psycho-Pass https://myanimelist.net/anime/9289/Hanasaku_Iroha https://myanimelist.net/anime/329/Planetes https://myanimelist.net/anime/1818/Claymore Thank you very much, Psycho-Pass looks interesting. I don't really know how to correctly format this in my challenge list though Most people go with new line after item and some use a separator like a vertical line ( | ). (102) Watch an anime recommended to you by a challenge staff member: Psycho-Pass [Link to recommendation] or (102) Watch an anime recommended to you by a challenge staff member: Psycho-Pass | [Link] |
Good Lord, BeanChagBear just walked through the clubhouse walking perfectly normally. He said he had “no time” to talk. Too busy watching anime, evidently. |
So, I've had my form checked and it seems I'm going to need a couple more recommendations.
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ROTRUY said: So, I've had my form checked and it seems I'm going to need a couple more recommendations.
For 60: Black Lagoon's Revy is Chinese-American. JoJo no Kimyou na Bouken (TV) has an assortment of non-Japanese. For 61: Sora yori mo Tooi Basho mostly takes place in Antarctica or on the ocean leading to it. For 85: Queen Emeraldas is what I used. Try checking some of the forms others have already turned in if you want more inspiration. |
Good Lord, BeanChagBear just walked through the clubhouse walking perfectly normally. He said he had “no time” to talk. Too busy watching anime, evidently. |
| Hello, can I get some recommendations for "(102) Watch an anime recommended to you by a challenge staff member" please. :) |
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toxif said: Video Girl AiHello, can I get some recommendations for "(102) Watch an anime recommended to you by a challenge staff member" please. :) Iria: Zeiram The Animation Top wo Nerae! Gunbuster Sakurada Reset |
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| In regards to the survey: for the question about whether or not we want our lists inspected or not, can you add a third option of "yes, but don't be so shitty about it"? It's not the "formatting and semantics challenge". Also if you change what items mean from one year to the next, you should probably clarify. |
AudioTsunami said: My thoughts. I gave up with correcting my form because they were nitpicking about formatting too much, as if that was the most important thing in the whole challenge.In regards to the survey: for the question about whether or not we want our lists inspected or not, can you add a third option of "yes, but don't be so shitty about it"? It's not the "formatting and semantics challenge". Also if you change what items mean from one year to the next, you should probably clarify. |
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AudioTsunami said: In regards to the survey: for the question about whether or not we want our lists inspected or not, can you add a third option of "yes, but don't be so shitty about it"? It's not the "formatting and semantics challenge". Also if you change what items mean from one year to the next, you should probably clarify. Oh, I agree absolutely. I got a message asking to change my formatting which was completely unclear what had to be changed so I had to ask. On top of that, even staff members formatted their forms in all kinds of ways so I was very confused. Apparently mine was also hard to read/small letters so I wonder why my red and black small letters are suddenly harder to read than these yellow letters [challenge completed]. |
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| (27) Watch an anime recommended to you in the challenge discussion thread: (Can someone recommend me something short? Like less than 13 episodes) |
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CivilPsycho said: (27) Watch an anime recommended to you in the challenge discussion thread: (Can someone recommend me something short? Like less than 13 episodes) Jashin-chan Dropkick Aggretsuko (Netflix ver, should be 10 episodes) Black Rock Shooter (TV) Fate/Kaleid Prisma Illya Hisone & Masotan Comic Girls Revue Starlight Sweetness & Lightning Magical Girl Raising Project Isekai Shokudou |
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Ranacchi said: CivilPsycho said: (27) Watch an anime recommended to you in the challenge discussion thread: (Can someone recommend me something short? Like less than 13 episodes) Jashin-chan Dropkick Aggretsuko (Netflix ver, should be 10 episodes) Black Rock Shooter (TV) Fate/Kaleid Prisma Illya Hisone & Masotan Comic Girls Revue Starlight Sweetness & Lightning Magical Girl Raising Project Isekai Shokudou Thank You! |
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No problem, always glad to be able to help a fellow fan I hope one of 'em is to your liking |
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| I need an anime for #27 Watch an anime recommended to you in the challenge discussion thread |
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starblazer said: I need an anime for #27 Watch an anime recommended to you in the challenge discussion thread Akame ga Kill! Ansatsu Kyoushitsu Hanasaku Iroha Shokugeki no Souma |
Good Lord, BeanChagBear just walked through the clubhouse walking perfectly normally. He said he had “no time” to talk. Too busy watching anime, evidently. |
starblazer said: I guess you probably need something short given the fact there's little time left, so here are some movies I recommend:I need an anime for #27 Watch an anime recommended to you in the challenge discussion thread Kimi no Na wa Koe no Katachi Omoide no Marnie Sen to Chihiro no Kamikakushi Tokyo Godfathers |
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| Need help finding Anime for these challenges. Watch a related anime that aired at least 15 years before/after a previously completed series Watch a completed anime with more users in "Plan-to-Watch" than "Completed" Watch an anime that a participant has completed for this challenge Watch an anime which began airing between 1980 and 1989 Watch an anime recommended to you in the challenge discussion thread Watch a completed anime scored 4 or less from another challenger who posted on your sign up page Thanks in Advance :) |
AmateretsuuDec 16, 2018 8:54 PM
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| another year, another failed challenge :p I guess it's time to pick the lowest anime count next time :( |
Slicercore said: Need help finding Anime for these challenges. Watch a completed anime with more users in "Plan-to-Watch" than "Completed" Akanesasu Shoujo? Only 21 have completed and 6,848 plan to watch. It's 12 episodes long so it shouldn't be too bad. |
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| Can you use the same Anime for multiple challenges For Example could I use Akanesasu Shoujo For (53) Watch a completed anime with more users in "Plan-to-Watch" than "Completed" and (27) Watch an anime recommended to you in the challenge discussion thread? |
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AudioTsunami said: In regards to the survey: for the question about whether or not we want our lists inspected or not, can you add a third option of "yes, but don't be so shitty about it"? It's not the "formatting and semantics challenge". Also if you change what items mean from one year to the next, you should probably clarify. Well often times the reason to nitpick about the formatting is stated in the Turning In section of the challenge sign-up. To be able to go through everyone's' forms after they turn in, it helps a great deal when they all have the same formatting. For the semantics part, I assume you mean how a lot of the items require you to state extra info about how the anime you used qualifies for that item. It's just to hold you accountable and have some way for us to check that it is valid. It is also not fair to allow some forms through and hold back others so we try to hold all forms to the same standards and that's where the formatting and semantics come in. Hope that helps you understand a bit about the process. Slicercore said: Can you use the same Anime for multiple challenges For Example could I use Akanesasu Shoujo For (53) Watch a completed anime with more users in "Plan-to-Watch" than "Completed" and (27) Watch an anime recommended to you in the challenge discussion thread? You would not be able to do that. All anime used have to be unique within your challenge. Second seasons and OVAs/Specials work as long as they have separate entries in the database. |
Good Lord, BeanChagBear just walked through the clubhouse walking perfectly normally. He said he had “no time” to talk. Too busy watching anime, evidently. |
| @beanchagbear I understand the process because I've helped inspect forms on the Manga side for 2 years. You can inspect forms without being a tool. You can also hold people accountable without being a tool. An example of what I mean by semantics is the "completed anime" items. If you start them as they are airing, they do not count, despite them being completed at time of turn-in. Nowhere is it explicitly stated you must start the anime after it is completed for it to be a completed anime and not just one that is no longer airing. But hey, I've already said everything in the mod discord several times and have been ignored. My message to people who don't like the way the challenge is being run: use the survey. Say you don't like how the challenge is run. And if it stays the same, don't participate next year. The only thing that the mods look at is participation numbers as to whether or not it was successful. |
AudioTsunami said: @beanchagbear I understand the process because I've helped inspect forms on the Manga side for 2 years. You can inspect forms without being a tool. You can also hold people accountable without being a tool. An example of what I mean by semantics is the "completed anime" items. If you start them as they are airing, they do not count, despite them being completed at time of turn-in. Nowhere is it explicitly stated you must start the anime after it is completed for it to be a completed anime and not just one that is no longer airing. But hey, I've already said everything in the mod discord several times and have been ignored. Only some items require completed anime because of the nature of the item and those that do specifically state so in the item name. For example: 53. Watch a completed anime with more users in "Plan-to-Watch" than "Completed" Starting an anime that was still airing for this item would be too easy it would be realistically impossible for there to be more Completed users since they shouldn't be able to complete it. For any other item without the completed anime statement, you can use a currently airing anime as long as it finishes at some point in the year so you can mark it completed for the challenge. |
Good Lord, BeanChagBear just walked through the clubhouse walking perfectly normally. He said he had “no time” to talk. Too busy watching anime, evidently. |
BeanChagBear said: You're answering like some sort of bot. I see they found right person for the position.AudioTsunami said: @beanchagbear I understand the process because I've helped inspect forms on the Manga side for 2 years. You can inspect forms without being a tool. You can also hold people accountable without being a tool. An example of what I mean by semantics is the "completed anime" items. If you start them as they are airing, they do not count, despite them being completed at time of turn-in. Nowhere is it explicitly stated you must start the anime after it is completed for it to be a completed anime and not just one that is no longer airing. But hey, I've already said everything in the mod discord several times and have been ignored. Only some items require completed anime because of the nature of the item and those that do specifically state so in the item name. For example: 53. Watch a completed anime with more users in "Plan-to-Watch" than "Completed" Starting an anime that was still airing for this item would be too easy it would be realistically impossible for there to be more Completed users since they shouldn't be able to complete it. For any other item without the completed anime statement, you can use a currently airing anime as long as it finishes at some point in the year so you can mark it completed for the challenge. |
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fuyuki said: BeanChagBear said: You're answering like some sort of bot. I see they found right person for the position.Only some items require completed anime because of the nature of the item and those that do specifically state so in the item name. For example: 53. Watch a completed anime with more users in "Plan-to-Watch" than "Completed" Starting an anime that was still airing for this item would be too easy it would be realistically impossible for there to be more Completed users since they shouldn't be able to complete it. For any other item without the completed anime statement, you can use a currently airing anime as long as it finishes at some point in the year so you can mark it completed for the challenge. Just trying to explain clearly and concisely. It's also for the benefit of any other participant reading who may be curious for answers. |
Good Lord, BeanChagBear just walked through the clubhouse walking perfectly normally. He said he had “no time” to talk. Too busy watching anime, evidently. |
| @BeanChagBear You completely ignored the main point though. Not that it surprises me. |
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If the main point you are referring to is about nitpicking the formatting and that the more important part of the challenge is watching the anime, then I can agree with that. In the end, the challenge is completely voluntary and participating or not participating in it does not diminish someone's enjoyment of all the anime they can try to watch in a single year. If you want to submit your form with x amount of anime filled in as a personal challenge and then put up a badge that says you completed 2018 AWC, you can do that. In the end, that's what you did, there isn't much point to lying about it. It would be like someone putting that they watched 1,000 anime on MAL that they didn't, just to see Days counter climb. The inspection process is there for the "hall of fame" type thing with all the users listed out. If you don't care to be there, which I'm sure many don't, then you can ignore all the formatting/semantics silliness. Just challenge yourself to watch anime. It's fun. |
Good Lord, BeanChagBear just walked through the clubhouse walking perfectly normally. He said he had “no time” to talk. Too busy watching anime, evidently. |
AudioTsunami said: Well, I agree with this one. Way too often I find participants watching seasonal anime for those items. I think it should be changed to "Watch an anime that has already finished airing ...".An example of what I mean by semantics is the "completed anime" items. If you start them as they are airing, they do not count, despite them being completed at time of turn-in. Nowhere is it explicitly stated you must start the anime after it is completed for it to be a completed anime and not just one that is no longer airing. But hey, I've already said everything in the mod discord several times and have been ignored. I will suggest (and support) the change once I get home from work (unless someone else suggests it first :-P). |
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| After reading this I have two questions 1. You can use anime airing the year of the challenge, but not when it says you need a "completed" anime? 2. What is the recommended formatting for submitting "longer" (50+) entries? (preferably with link) |
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| 1. Yes. You can even use airing anime for the "completed" items as long as you start it *after* it's completed airing. This was not explained and it was a change from the previous 3 years. For example, if you want to use Asobi Asobase for "Watch a completed anime with a score of or above 8.00", you'd had to have waited until September 23rd to start it. If you started it September 22nd, you didn't apparently adhere to the rule's and needed to use a different series for that item. For the years prior, as long as it was completed by turn-in, it was fine. So basically all the word completed meant was "not eligible for the submit while it''s airing rules". It's just little stuff like that which makes it feel unnecessarily bureaucratic. More like work than fun. Etc. 2. One of the best changes Shey and Tsuyo made was to give participants a pre-made sheet this year. My personal preference is DO NOT MAKE CHANGES TO THE SHEET WE GIVE YOU. That's why we gave it to you. Changing the color key is fine(I like using green for complete instead of watching), outside of that I'm immediately annoyed when I'm looking over a form. @ranacchi |
AudioTsunamiDec 17, 2018 6:05 AM
BeanChagBear said: AudioTsunami said: @beanchagbear I understand the process because I've helped inspect forms on the Manga side for 2 years. You can inspect forms without being a tool. You can also hold people accountable without being a tool. An example of what I mean by semantics is the "completed anime" items. If you start them as they are airing, they do not count, despite them being completed at time of turn-in. Nowhere is it explicitly stated you must start the anime after it is completed for it to be a completed anime and not just one that is no longer airing. But hey, I've already said everything in the mod discord several times and have been ignored. Only some items require completed anime because of the nature of the item and those that do specifically state so in the item name. For example: 53. Watch a completed anime with more users in "Plan-to-Watch" than "Completed" Starting an anime that was still airing for this item would be too easy it would be realistically impossible for there to be more Completed users since they shouldn't be able to complete it. For any other item without the completed anime statement, you can use a currently airing anime as long as it finishes at some point in the year so you can mark it completed for the challenge. It was an example. The point was more that it was unclear and unexplained. Each item having a paragraph of fine print is a different but also incredibly silly feature of the challenge that creates unnecessary confusion. Why does difficulty matter? Firstly, many of the items that have that unexplained clause in it are in the "Level 1 - Casual" section. Secondly, making the challenge as arduous as possible goes against the original and advertised spirit of the event. It's advertised in the announcements by Kineta as a fun community event to bring people together and broaden people's horizons of stuff they watch. The culture of making it unnecessarily difficult and a chore to turn in came after that; mostly due to it being connect with the Anime Watching Challenge Club. If the intended goal is to be fun and inclusive, I would say that the mark has been well and truly missed |
| Post 6084 is too silly to even go into, to be honest. Oh I should change my badge to a 2018 Manga badge. My b. |
| Also more on formatting/nitpicking before I forget. Complaining about it is not because I disagree that it makes it much easier to check sheets. I'd actually think it made sense if you had clear format guidelines and did not look over forms until they adhered to them. The issue is that the team looks over the poorly formatted form, confirms each item is completed, then sends back a detailed response saying that I need to make 15-20 minutes worth of formatting changes to be accepted, when after its been checked, the formatting is no longer important because nobody is going to look at it again. And it's all in the name of "saving time", when really you wasted it by checking the items in the bad formatting then wasted my time to change the formatting that is now irrelevant, than wasted more of your own time re-checking my re-formatted sheet that didn't need to be re-formatted in the first place because you already verified that easy item was correctly completed and after that point, the formatting is unnecessary. ~~~ The tl;Dr of my posts. 1. Items should be worded better and clarified if you're bound and determined to putting fine print on each item. This goes double on items that's conditions change in a given year 2. Needless overpolicing and obsession with difficulty is at odds with the original and advertised goal of this site-wide challenge. One of few community wide events, for that matter. 3. The things that are being done in the name of efficiency are done in a way that actually makes the entire process both exponentially less efficient and contributes to point 2. |
AudioTsunamiDec 17, 2018 6:04 AM
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| For #58, is "middle aged" (δΈεΉ΄) character description enough to be considered adult? |
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AudioTsunami said: At first they made it sound like using the generated form was optional. The generator wasn't even working properly for some time when they started the challenge. I didn't use it also because it was forcing you to choose items instead of being able to generate the full list with all items - I was doing the hardcore level so it was more convenient for me to have all the items and then after finishing 100 requirements just remove the remaining 8 I didn't complete. 2. One of the best changes Shey and Tsuyo made was to give participants a pre-made sheet this year. My personal preference is DO NOT MAKE CHANGES TO THE SHEET WE GIVE YOU. That's why we gave it to you. Changing the color key is fine(I like using green for complete instead of watching), outside of that I'm immediately annoyed when I'm looking over a form. Note: We are currently trying to make the inspection process a faster one. It will help greatly if you keep the provided format for the challenge list. If you have items that require extra info, please display that info in a new line, separated from the item + anime's title. I'm 99% sure this line was added later, not in January. By the end of Januray I was already almost 1/4 done with the challenge, with my own list and not the generated one I didn't know I was supposed to use. Also, this info was added in the "Turning In" section. When people are starting the challenge, I'm pretty sure most won't read this part because this is what you do after you finish the whole thing, not when you start.I hope people organizing the AWC will avoid stupid mistakes like that the next year and make everything more clear. |
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| First, you should know this... but oh well. Please don't quadruple post, just edit your first post @AudioTsunami https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1697305&show=6050#msg56494544 https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1697305&show=6050#msg56494648 https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1697305&show=6050#msg56494660 https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1697305&show=6050#msg56494817 AudioTsunami said: I understand the process because I've helped inspect forms on the Manga side for 2 years. You can inspect forms without being a tool. You can also hold people accountable without being a tool. An example of what I mean by semantics is the "completed anime" items. If you start them as they are airing, they do not count, despite them being completed at time of turn-in. Nowhere is it explicitly stated you must start the anime after it is completed for it to be a completed anime and not just one that is no longer airing. But hey, I've already said everything in the mod discord several times and have been ignored. My message to people who don't like the way the challenge is being run: use the survey. Say you don't like how the challenge is run. And if it stays the same, don't participate next year. The only thing that the mods look at is participation numbers as to whether or not it was successful. AudioTsunami said: It was an example. The point was more that it was unclear and unexplained. Each item having a paragraph of fine print is a different but also incredibly silly feature of the challenge that creates unnecessary confusion. [...] (@beanchagbear @mozgow) Now now Audio, allow me to point out several things: - Regarding completed anime. You would expect users to notice and understand the word "completed" and avoid the use of airings, considering they aren't "completed" anime - Knowing that many would miss it or understand it in a different manner than intended, it is explicitly stated in the "Challenge List with Explanations" post the following: Completed anime = anime that already finished airing - It's a shame, but as you demonstrated, there are many that don't bother to read or check those post, just because there's a lot of text. I do try each year to make it less and less but it's a bit hard - Yes, I admit that we have disagreed a lot and I find it easier to ignore you than deal with you And yes! Finally something we can agree on! It would be so good if the people that have some discontent with the challenge used the survey and express their discomfort. If no one points out wrong things, we can't change for the better. For the just in case, survey link is in my signature As for the fine print, it has helped most challengers (that read) understand what was expected to do with that item. So I will have to disagree with the "silly" and "unnecessary" part mozgow said: Well, I agree with this one. Way too often I find participants watching seasonal anime for those items. I think it should be changed to "Watch an anime that has already finished airing ...". I will suggest (and support) the change once I get home from work (unless someone else suggests it first :-P). Do remind me to just simplify it all and make it easier to understand to others AudioTsunami said: 1. Yes. You can even use airing anime for the "completed" items as long as you start it *after* it's completed airing. This was not explained and it was a change from the previous 3 years. For example, if you want to use Asobi Asobase for "Watch a completed anime with a score of or above 8.00", you'd had to have waited until September 23rd to start it. If you started it September 22nd, you didn't apparently adhere to the rule's and needed to use a different series for that item. For the years prior, as long as it was completed by turn-in, it was fine. So basically all the word completed meant was "not eligible for the submit while it''s airing rules". It's just little stuff like that which makes it feel unnecessarily bureaucratic. More like work than fun. Etc. 2. One of the best changes Shey and Tsuyo made was to give participants a pre-made sheet this year. My personal preference is DO NOT MAKE CHANGES TO THE SHEET WE GIVE YOU. That's why we gave it to you. Changing the color key is fine(I like using green for complete instead of watching), outside of that I'm immediately annoyed when I'm looking over a form. Everything is a test tho, but yeah. Some of those requiring completed anime will change. Quoting to keep it in mind to do AudioTsunami said: Why does difficulty matter? Firstly, many of the items that have that unexplained clause in it are in the "Level 1 - Casual" section. Secondly, making the challenge as arduous as possible goes against the original and advertised spirit of the event. It's advertised in the announcements by Kineta as a fun community event to bring people together and broaden people's horizons of stuff they watch. The culture of making it unnecessarily difficult and a chore to turn in came after that; mostly due to it being connect with the Anime Watching Challenge Club. If the intended goal is to be fun and inclusive, I would say that the mark has been well and truly missed Difficulty matters cause not everyone wants the same challenge. Some want it harder, some want it easier. There's no point in releasing a general challenge if it's not much of a challenge. And as I have said to others. If you have any ideas to make this a better challenge, please share them. We do strive to make it fun and community oriented —even if you think otherwise. The club doesn't really have any part on the challenge seeming more hard this year. AudioTsunami said: Also more on formatting/nitpicking before I forget. Complaining about it is not because I disagree that it makes it much easier to check sheets. I'd actually think it made sense if you had clear format guidelines and did not look over forms until they adhered to them. The issue is that the team looks over the poorly formatted form, confirms each item is completed, then sends back a detailed response saying that I need to make 15-20 minutes worth of formatting changes to be accepted, when after its been checked, the formatting is no longer important because nobody is going to look at it again. And it's all in the name of "saving time", when really you wasted it by checking the items in the bad formatting then wasted my time to change the formatting that is now irrelevant, than wasted more of your own time re-checking my re-formatted sheet that didn't need to be re-formatted in the first place because you already verified that easy item was correctly completed and after that point, the formatting is unnecessary. Well, would you rather get your form back, without checking before making the changes? We have been tempted to do that many times, seems it's about time to start rejecting those that don't read and don't care about it if they think like you. And if changes are requested, the form is verified again to see it's implemented, ofc. Tho I do agree it's a complete waste of time. Which is why the above mentioned has been considered. Thanks for reminding me. AudioTsunami said: The tl;Dr of my posts. 1. Items should be worded better and clarified if you're bound and determined to putting fine print on each item. This goes double on items that's conditions change in a given year 2. Needless overpolicing and obsession with difficulty is at odds with the original and advertised goal of this site-wide challenge. One of few community wide events, for that matter. 3. The things that are being done in the name of efficiency are done in a way that actually makes the entire process both exponentially less efficient and contributes to point 2. 1. the "fine print" was to avoid having a too long of an item, but measures are being considered for next year 2. I have already express my disagreement with you regarding difficulties 3. this has been considered as well and measures are being considered Any other thing you wish to express, please go ahead. If you have something else to point out, please do and please provide any way you think would help to make it better. It would help greatly if with any miss we have that you point out, you could say a way we can make it better. Thanks. fuyuki said: I hope people organizing the AWC will avoid stupid mistakes like that the next year and make everything more clear. It's true that during this year we had many mistakes that could have been avoided, so we will try to avoid them. We are not perfect, so I'm sure that at least a few will be noticed, like always. mFoxRU said: For #58, is "middle aged" (δΈεΉ΄) character description enough to be considered adult? should be |
SheyCroixDec 17, 2018 8:12 AM
SheyCroix said: - Regarding completed anime. You would expect users to notice and understand the word "completed" and avoid the use of airings, considering they aren't "completed" anime - Knowing that many would miss it or understand it in a different manner than intended, it is explicitly stated in the "Challenge List with Explanations" post the following: Completed anime = anime that already finished airing Once it is done airing, it is completed. It does not state anywhere that you must start the series AFTER it has ran to completion. So one can infer that you can start it whenever, as long as your turn-in date is AFTER it is been completed - as it was in the 3 years prior. That's why I said it's semantics, because it can be seen either way. It's unclear, it has nothing to do with people "being too lazy to read". I read it. It's unclear. Mozgow said many people found it unclear. There are countless examples in this thread that ANY NUMBER of the items are unclear, which is due to them being poorly written. That's also why they need a paragraph of fine print, because the items are poorly written. And yeah, it's easier to ignore me than actually fix the problem because this is the way you like it and until people stop participating you'll never get it, which is why I implored people to do so. Edit: And on the bits about not checking the form before we get it back. Yes, that's what you should do if you're already doubling down on making it user unfriendly, because at least it's truly to serve the gods of efficiency instead of just being done because that's the way you like it. No point in being annoying and inefficient because then you're unhappy, the participant is unhappy, and the inspector is unhappy. At least if you force the formatting before the inspection, the inspection is a fucking breeze, and you'd cut the return DMs in half. If turning in the challenge is going to be as daunting as going to the DMV, at least keep the people checking the sheets happy and cut the process down. fuyuki said: AudioTsunami said: At first they made it sound like using the generated form was optional. The generator wasn't even working properly for some time when they started the challenge. I didn't use it also because it was forcing you to choose items instead of being able to generate the full list with all items - I was doing the hardcore level so it was more convenient for me to have all the items and then after finishing 100 requirements just remove the remaining 8 I didn't complete. 2. One of the best changes Shey and Tsuyo made was to give participants a pre-made sheet this year. My personal preference is DO NOT MAKE CHANGES TO THE SHEET WE GIVE YOU. That's why we gave it to you. Changing the color key is fine(I like using green for complete instead of watching), outside of that I'm immediately annoyed when I'm looking over a form. Note: We are currently trying to make the inspection process a faster one. It will help greatly if you keep the provided format for the challenge list. If you have items that require extra info, please display that info in a new line, separated from the item + anime's title. I'm 99% sure this line was added later, not in January. By the end of Januray I was already almost 1/4 done with the challenge, with my own list and not the generated one I didn't know I was supposed to use. Also, this info was added in the "Turning In" section. When people are starting the challenge, I'm pretty sure most won't read this part because this is what you do after you finish the whole thing, not when you start.I hope people organizing the AWC will avoid stupid mistakes like that the next year and make everything more clear. A lot of things were added after January, but it'll be denied. Don't worry about it. I've already fought that fight. |
AudioTsunamiDec 17, 2018 9:03 AM
| Hi, I'm almost finished with the challenge (98/100) can I get help cheking it so that I don't have trouble once I send the turn-in form? https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1696289&show=800#msg53620338 |
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Gonaiorica said: Hi, I'm almost finished with the challenge (98/100) can I get help cheking it so that I don't have trouble once I send the turn-in form? https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1696289&show=800#msg53620338 Sure, I'll shoot you a message. That way I'm not putting you on blast in front of others but at first glace you form looks really nice. |
Good Lord, BeanChagBear just walked through the clubhouse walking perfectly normally. He said he had “no time” to talk. Too busy watching anime, evidently. |
1. Yes. You can even use airing anime for the "completed" items as long as you start it *after* it's completed airing. This was not explained and it was a change from the previous 3 years. For example, if you want to use Asobi Asobase for "Watch a completed anime with a score of or above 8.00", you'd had to have waited until September 23rd to start it. If you started it September 22nd, you didn't apparently adhere to the rule's and needed to use a different series for that item. For the years prior, as long as it was completed by turn-in, it was fine. So basically all the word completed meant was "not eligible for the submit while it''s airing rules". It's just little stuff like that which makes it feel unnecessarily bureaucratic. More like work than fun. Etc. 2. One of the best changes Shey and Tsuyo made was to give participants a pre-made sheet this year. My personal preference is DO NOT MAKE CHANGES TO THE SHEET WE GIVE YOU. That's why we gave it to you. Changing the color key is fine(I like using green for complete instead of watching), outside of that I'm immediately annoyed when I'm looking over a form. Thank you I looked over "my" completed entries and they seem to all be from prior years (lucky coincidence) so I believe I'm safe regarding #1 As for #2 I made a handful of minor alterations for my own convenience (based on a form linked earlier in the thread), as I sometimes found it difficult to find certain specific entries in the sized batch of "code". I agree with you on the color tags. Thank you for allowing change of color. This also immediately removes the need for most of my previously mentioned edits which I made to compensate for the bad readability of the bluish purple color. |
RanacchiDec 17, 2018 2:53 PM
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| Hey everybody, can anyone recommend anything for item #101 -- watch an anime tagged with 7 or more genres? (I'm hoping my screenshot will be valid but just in case it's not, lol). Obviously I'd prefer that it be short at this point, if possible. Thank you! |
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battlewaitress said: Hey everybody, can anyone recommend anything for item #101 -- watch an anime tagged with 7 or more genres? (I'm hoping my screenshot will be valid but just in case it's not, lol). Obviously I'd prefer that it be short at this point, if possible. Thank you! Porco Rosso? |
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