Noboru said: It's the materials that are resonating like the sand or water: I wouldnt phrase it that way. The sand is just jumping away from stronger vibration points on the metal sheet collecting where there is less vibration as the waves meet. With the water i didnt quite see the setup but I think the sound wave is going through the water itself so what you are seeing is the water bending from the waves + it looking like it is defying gravity floating is actually just the shutter speed of the camera doing that it wouldnt look like that in person. Noboru said: And this also visualizes the difference between 440Hz and 432Hz So since we are made at a large percentage of water, it wouldn't surprise me if frequency had some effects on our bodies as well. It is difficult to make much from that. Having the water vibrate in frequency i cant see as inherently a good thing, it also can be a bad thing too. Or it might do nothing. If it does anything it probably depends on how high the decibels are. They are copying flowers and using sacred geometry which is a very mathematical thing for how patterns are made. You see it a lot in Islamic architecture too. First use was the ancient Egyptians as far as im aware. |
traedSep 1, 2024 11:49 AM
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JaniSIr said:
Most quotes attributed to Einstein he never actually said, and the things he did say involved something along the lines of "quantum mechanics is stupid lol" which turned out to be exceptionally wrong. You shouldn't take at face value even the words of a genius.
Except it's something he had actually predicted, but even outside of that, I find it possible, nothing more and nothing less.Most quotes attributed to Einstein he never actually said, and the things he did say involved something along the lines of "quantum mechanics is stupid lol" which turned out to be exceptionally wrong. You shouldn't take at face value even the words of a genius.
traed said:
Chladini figures and cymatics if I understsnd correctly from resonant frequencies of the materials themselves. Im not sure but if you change the material or it's shape you change what frequencies patterns emerge.
It's the materials that are resonating like the sand or water:Chladini figures and cymatics if I understsnd correctly from resonant frequencies of the materials themselves. Im not sure but if you change the material or it's shape you change what frequencies patterns emerge.
And this also visualizes the difference between 440Hz and 432Hz
So since we are made at a large percentage of water, it wouldn't surprise me if frequency had some effects on our bodies as well.
As for church windows:
Hope it's more clear when you see it directly
| @Noboru That's a really cool video with the water, but like what you need to realize is that all that's happening is that the water exists the tube at different angles, that's periodic, since the speaker is set to put out a sine wave, and it only seems to be levitating because the camera FPS is set to the same frequency. It would be very unimpressive if you watched it in real life. |
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| Nah, people have always asked this question. Like sure, mainstream pop will likely always get worse due to soulless corporations wanting to catchy hits and profit more than art. However, there's great and crappy music in every generation. Listen to some 80s synth pop, it's full of hot dated garbage that makes Imagine Dragons look like Black Sabbath in comparison. |
| Life is more pleasure than pain. You have meaning so long as you choose to. Everything matters to someone. |
JaniSIr said: arguably orchestras were never mainstream, it was just something the fancy upper-class enjoyed, the real mainstream would be folk songs. Orchestras weren't just for the upper class. It was the mainstream. Just like wearing a top hat was at some point the mainstream, yet these days it's only associated with chimney sweepers and millionaires, for some reason. Also, folk song doesn't mean no orchestra. |
| If you think music is going downhill you don't listen to enough music. |
| Yes, Grandpa. Yes, it is. World's going to shit^^ |
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| Yeah it is, just listen to any One Piece OP. Absolute garbage. |
| It would be more accurate to say that music is dead. Even orchestras and conductors seem to have lost their passion (which is not very surprising considering that previous generations had the privilege to work directly with great composers, and this transmission has been lost). I have attended to a dozen of concerts the past season, and I must admit that the new compositions were painfully uninspired and mediocre (exercises in style at best; they boast about avoiding counterpoint (say), without realising that they have also avoided to pour their souls in their compositions...). A few notes of a random symphony of Mozart could easily crush this music for musicologists (that was thankfully programmed at the beginning of this specific concert). Even if we take the 20th century in comparison, who are the equivalents of Shostakovich, Duke Ellington, and Jaco Pastorius today? All arts are moribund, and music is no exception. Painting is perhaps in an even worse shape, and eight billions of "New York Bestsellers" only show how irrelevant all this insignificant blabber has become. There are still a few good (or even great) writers today—about one or two by country on average. But there were dozens of them a century ago... People who mention very obscure bands as the most precious gift offered to mankind since sliced bread are just missing the point; the intellectual elite did not have to make any efforts to know about Wagner 150 years ago. The "great" of today would have likely flipped burgers in the 1970s. JaniSIr said: JustOscar said: Music being said that "it's a banger", or that "it slaps", and the like. Of all the things wrong with modern music why would the slang merely meaning "it's good" would be a major talking point? Because people pretend to replace rigorous musical analysis by vague expressions that only describe their own enjoyment. |
Meusnier said: Because people pretend to replace rigorous musical analysis by vague expressions that only describe their own enjoyment. Literary analysis was the most pretentious nonsense I had to learn in school... |
| Anti-aliasing enthusiast |
| Not with Parannoul dropping classics every year |
| Apparently some people still try to act ultra serious and pretentious about classical music eras Meanwhile Mozart was always this guy |
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| @JaniSIr: That was explained in the video as well, it's fun to watch nevertheless @traed: Mozart makes the Swabian salute at least sound classy. Also, regarding the other points: 1) The muster for 432Hz looks closer to cells or bacteria multiplying, so it makes more sense for it to be more natural. Cymatic musters also resemble DNA 2) The musters from the "sacred geometry" are the results of cymatics. And of course that type of thing had or has been used by various different cultures and/or religions around the world... |
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@JaniSIr: That was explained in the video as well, it's fun to watch nevertheless
@traed: Mozart makes the Swabian salute at least sound classy. Also, regarding the other points:
1) The muster for 432Hz looks closer to cells or bacteria multiplying, so it makes more sense for it to be more natural. Cymatic musters also resemble DNA
2) The musters from the "sacred geometry" are the results of cymatics. And of course that type of thing had or has been used by various different cultures and/or religions around the world...
@traed: Mozart makes the Swabian salute at least sound classy. Also, regarding the other points:
1) The muster for 432Hz looks closer to cells or bacteria multiplying, so it makes more sense for it to be more natural. Cymatic musters also resemble DNA
2) The musters from the "sacred geometry" are the results of cymatics. And of course that type of thing had or has been used by various different cultures and/or religions around the world...
| @Noboru Your cells have a limited amount they can divide after which they die. Cellular division isnt really ideal to enhance in all cases more use case. Maybe to a degree but nature seems imperfect. Like you have the Fibonacci sequence in nature a lot but not everything follows it. So i dont really overly assume and reduce to leave open to more complex systems overlaping |
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| @traed Nice trolling attempt. xfwm4 said: @Meusnier there is no right way to describe enjoyment of music nor interpret it, if that's what you were implying. the fact that many already do so is anything but a negative. Who cares about "enjoyment"? I enjoy eating some raw vegetables, but if a three-star restaurant offers raw carrots as a starter (without any kind of seasoning or dressing), I will not call it grande cuisine. The topic is art criticism, not low-level "right in the feels" blabla. You are no different from the anime fans who write reviews and say that they "rate based on their enjoyment," which is the degree zero of art criticism. JaniSIr said: Meusnier said: Because people pretend to replace rigorous musical analysis by vague expressions that only describe their own enjoyment. Literary analysis was the most pretentious nonsense I had to learn in school... Almost as pretentious as your shallow anti-Euclidean arguments. This topic clearly flies way above your head (everything that you do not like is pretentious). |
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@traed Nice trolling attempt.
Who cares about "enjoyment"? I enjoy eating some raw vegetables, but if a three-star restaurant offers raw carrots as a starter (without any kind of seasoning or dressing), I will not call it grande cuisine. The topic is art criticism, not low-level "right in the feels" blabla. You are no different from the anime fans who write reviews and say that they "rate based on their enjoyment," which is the degree zero of art criticism.
Almost as pretentious as your shallow anti-Euclidean arguments. This topic clearly flies way above your head (everything that you do not like is pretentious).
xfwm4 said:
@Meusnier there is no right way to describe enjoyment of music nor interpret it, if that's what you were implying. the fact that many already do so is anything but a negative.
@Meusnier there is no right way to describe enjoyment of music nor interpret it, if that's what you were implying. the fact that many already do so is anything but a negative.
Who cares about "enjoyment"? I enjoy eating some raw vegetables, but if a three-star restaurant offers raw carrots as a starter (without any kind of seasoning or dressing), I will not call it grande cuisine. The topic is art criticism, not low-level "right in the feels" blabla. You are no different from the anime fans who write reviews and say that they "rate based on their enjoyment," which is the degree zero of art criticism.
JaniSIr said:
Literary analysis was the most pretentious nonsense I had to learn in school...
Meusnier said:
Because people pretend to replace rigorous musical analysis by vague expressions that only describe their own enjoyment.
Because people pretend to replace rigorous musical analysis by vague expressions that only describe their own enjoyment.
Literary analysis was the most pretentious nonsense I had to learn in school...
Almost as pretentious as your shallow anti-Euclidean arguments. This topic clearly flies way above your head (everything that you do not like is pretentious).
| @Meusnier Math is a way more serious topic than literature, so I was probably right on that, but I don't recall the discussion, just something about Platonic existence of numbers... |
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| @traed: it's not like 432Hz should promote cell division or something, it's more like 432Hz resembles life more closely, thus is more natural Yes, the Fibonacci sequence is used a lot in nature, but not everywhere. And yes, nature is not perfect, but that's missing the whole point @Loyal_Sheepling: I was watching some random short train videos and I was wondering if you know of other trains that also play some music while driving: |
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@traed: it's not like 432Hz should promote cell division or something, it's more like 432Hz resembles life more closely, thus is more natural
Yes, the Fibonacci sequence is used a lot in nature, but not everywhere. And yes, nature is not perfect, but that's missing the whole point
@Loyal_Sheepling: I was watching some random short train videos and I was wondering if you know of other trains that also play some music while driving:
Yes, the Fibonacci sequence is used a lot in nature, but not everywhere. And yes, nature is not perfect, but that's missing the whole point
@Loyal_Sheepling: I was watching some random short train videos and I was wondering if you know of other trains that also play some music while driving:
| @Noboru That's a cool sound ☺️ Don't really think I know of any, except for maybe live music onboard a carriage during an event or something. We do have a train that has an unusual launch sound, but it's a bit dividing. Some like it, some don't 😅 |
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@Noboru That's a cool sound ☺️
Don't really think I know of any, except for maybe live music onboard a carriage during an event or something.
We do have a train that has an unusual launch sound, but it's a bit dividing. Some like it, some don't 😅
Don't really think I know of any, except for maybe live music onboard a carriage during an event or something.
We do have a train that has an unusual launch sound, but it's a bit dividing. Some like it, some don't 😅
| @Loyal_Sheepling Thanks, it's an older model, the Siemens ES64U2-064 or better known as "Taurus" I like train sounds, that class 323 train also sounds pretty good, though it reminds me on a racing car xD |
| Music is overrated ( Like anime lol ) |
 "No one can rewrite the stars How can you say you'll be mine? Everything keeps us apart And I'm not the one you were meant to find It's not up to you you It's not up to me When everyone tells us what we can be How can we rewrite the stars?" |
Meusnier said: Nice trolling attempt. Yes, he was quite the troll More you say? Okay Brings a tear to the eye, doesn't it? If you have issue with the composition, no worries he just wrote lyrics for someone else's work. JustOscar said: I don't know if I am one of those persons you are talking about, but in case I am, let me say, just to avoid another possible misunderstanding, that what I wrote is not in any way an attack against having sense of humour. Mainly was directed toward people like Meusnier that fail to see the bigger picture how the conditions of the times is what influences musical output. Someone like Mozart if he was alive today instead of back in his time would be making different music and not necessarily in a good way or bad way inherently or maybe would not even be a musician. In past music was taught as something very formal and rigid to those who could afford lessons. These days you also get people making music for more reasons than starting out from something their parents made them do or because it was one of the few things they had to do so you get more music variety and this of course would change the trends in what music dominates. Just look at the handwriting of people in the past or their drawing skills, their education put a lot of focus on these things so they all were pretty good at them. |
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JustOscar said: When I take a decision, I take it based on what I think has the highest probability of being true. Maybe I am wrong, maybe you think I am wrong, but I take my decision based on it. I think you don't want to listen to me, even if you think you want. I repeat, maybe I am wrong. I still take my decision based on it. Exactly, it's about the truth. And when it comes to finding truth, I think our time, both yours and mine, could be better spent. You do whatever you want with yours. I will do whatever I want with mine. If you cared about the truth, you would not be relying on your imagination and would only come to a conclusion after obtaining proof. You would also have no qualms with defending your own statements (pertaining to truth) in a somewhat public setting such as this, even if only for the benefit of others reading the discussion. JustOscar said: If I thought they were exact synonyms, I wouldn’t have said anything against them; but I don’t think they are exact synonyms. Our choice of words hints at our general attitude. A person who, of a song, says “this slaps hard ngl”, and another who says “so beautiful”, both can be said to be saying the same thing: that they think the song is good, or that they like it (these two last sentences are naturally not the same; for argument’s sake). And yet they are saying more than this, even if they don’t realize it. The specific words they use are a hint (only a hint, but still a hint) at their attitude, to how, in what way, they perceived and liked the song, and not merely that they thought it good, or liked it. So? How does that make the music worse or even have anything to do with the music itself? JustOscar said: And why has it "fallen out of fashion"? I was talking about social changes that had an effect on music. Social changes which also have an effect on language. Why did you think I didn't take it into account, when, on the contrary, it is precisely what I was hinting at? In other words, people are dumber and because of that, the music is dumber? Is that what you're getting at? I must be very bad at expressing myself if others keep misunderstanding what is being said. This is why I abstain from participating in discussions. Most of the time and effort is spent in dealing with misunderstandings and preconceptions. If you clearly explained your position from the onset, you wouldn't have this problem. philtecturophy said: What are the examples of music nowdays? Coldplay, taylor swift, gangnam style, or even worse, like rap "music" (not music for me)? Give me VIP concert tickets for those and pay me $200, I still not tempted to watch I would gladly pay concert tickets for Yundi Li playing Chopin all ballades and preludes. Or watching Lugansky playing Rachmaninoff You've exposed the conspiracy. It's not a false dichotomy or anything. All those thousands of other music styles you didn't mention...they don't actually exist! In fact, all other musicians are Taylor Swift in disguise...for you see, Taylor Swift is an invasive alien species that must be stopped by the pureness of piano! ...In light of recent events, I may want to reconsider my wording... https://www.politico.eu/article/cia-we-helped-austria-foil-taylor-swift-terror-plot/ JaniSIr said: Are you seriously arguing that music as an art form is bad? o.O I really hope Desu is trolling when he constantly posts obviously untrue things. TransferUser said: Orchestras aren't even mainstream anymore. JaniSIr said: arguably orchestras were never mainstream, it was just something the fancy upper-class enjoyed, the real mainstream would be folk songs. Although classical isn't exactly mainstream now, orchestras remain one of the main components of movie soundtracks, so it still plays a part in mainstream culture. Meusnier said: It would be more accurate to say that music is dead. Even orchestras and conductors seem to have lost their passion (which is not very surprising considering that previous generations had the privilege to work directly with great composers, and this transmission has been lost). I have attended to a dozen of concerts the past season, and I must admit that the new compositions were painfully uninspired and mediocre (exercises in style at best; they boast about avoiding counterpoint (say), without realising that they have also avoided to pour their souls in their compositions...). A few notes of a random symphony of Mozart could easily crush this music for musicologists (that was thankfully programmed at the beginning of this specific concert). Even if we take the 20th century in comparison, who are the equivalents of Shostakovich, Duke Ellington, and Jaco Pastorius today? All arts are moribund, and music is no exception. Painting is perhaps in an even worse shape, and eight billions of "New York Bestsellers" only show how irrelevant all this insignificant blabber has become. There are still a few good (or even great) writers today—about one or two by country on average. But there were dozens of them a century ago... People who mention very obscure bands as the most precious gift offered to mankind since sliced bread are just missing the point; the intellectual elite did not have to make any efforts to know about Wagner 150 years ago. Music is more alive than ever. There are thousands of new styles that never existed before, and like I said, millions of albums, EPs and singles of every imaginable variety. The creative possibilities are limitless. Even if you're only interested in listening to old classical compositions, there are thousands of recordings of those, with each having their own interpretation. Any recording you'll hear of those will be relatively modern anyway. Since I was heavily exposed to classical at a young age and did grueling daily practice to perform it in orchestras and wind ensembles, I kind of got sick of it; even if it's less inspired (as you put it), contemporary classical feels more interesting and fresh to me because I haven't heard those pieces countless times already. My favorite opera piece is from the Blood+ anime soundtrack. (Composed and produced by Hans Zimmer and Mark Mancina, who did the soundtracks for The Lion King, The Dark Knight and numerous other films.) The "great" of today would have likely flipped burgers in the 1970s. There are so many famous musicians who don't even make a living from it and have to hold normal jobs. Promoting music can be so expensive that in some cases, even after lots of record sales (online streaming royalties are counted in that metric now too), the artists end up owing the record labels instead, and only earn money from music by playing concerts and selling merch. Also, you're giving me PTSD from my brief tenure at Burger King long ago. Among other things, I cooked burgers on the flame grill, which was simple enough...but then they expected me to quickly make a specialty item I had never heard of, let alone knew how to prepare. When I expressed my discontent over their incompetence, they fired me...but it's their fault for neglecting to train me in the first place. Because people pretend to replace rigorous musical analysis by vague expressions that only describe their own enjoyment. Meusnier said: Who cares about "enjoyment"? I enjoy eating some raw vegetables, but if a three-star restaurant offers raw carrots as a starter (without any kind of seasoning or dressing), I will not call it grande cuisine. The topic is art criticism, not low-level "right in the feels" blabla. You are no different from the anime fans who write reviews and say that they "rate based on their enjoyment," which is the degree zero of art criticism. Art criticism has no bearing on the art itself, though; the art stands on its own merit, regardless of what people think of it. The overwhelming majority of music enthusiasts don't partake in any serious critique such as writing formal published reviews; they spend their time simply listening to the music. traed said: Apparently some people still try to act ultra serious and pretentious about classical music eras I had to deal with those types all the time when I was a more active musician. Whenever I see someone who thinks classical is the pinnacle of music and that other genres are trash, it just makes me think they don't have any meaningful experience with music in general aside from that one genre. CandyRagi said: Music is overrated ( Like anime lol ) So what isn't overrated, by your reckoning? For me, music is by far the best thing in the world. |
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| depends on what style of music you listen to. I listen to alternative and rock and there's so much great music coming out right now I can't keep up there's always been good/bad music |
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| No one is going to read this whole thing but whatever. Music is subjective so it doesn't matter what other people like or what you like. I highly doubt anyone enjoys 'hits' being played over and over again, yesterday, today and forever lol. Personally, I can't really listen to anything localized within my community of mid 2000's simply becuase of that. Some people my age who like that music find it reminiscent but I'd rather not try to remember those years becuase they were tough on me. As for the people who say things like "music was better then and it's degrading now" are simply reminiscing or as South Park puts it, 'Member Berrys'. The irony is that music is formulaic, notes in junction with beat and melody are just that. Here's an experiment you can take: if you go back and listen to some late 50's and early 60's songs of popular big time bands compare them to their actual hits. The Rolling Stones is a perfect example. Their first album in my opinion is a flop but throughout the mid to late 60's their sound evolves. Musicians need time and experience to develop and find their sound. Being landlocked to one sound and genre is telling that a band or group cannot develop their sound. Artists like Corey Taylor had to literally head two bands because one was landlocking his artistic vision. So no, it's not 'race to the botom'. Maybe you just don't like music that much or haven't developed your own listening yet, be it branching out to new genres or having really bad audio equipment. In addition I'm positive some music you aboslutely lothe would sound amazing on a nice set of headphones overclocked with a DAC amp. Just something to consider. |
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| No, there is better music now than there was in the 80s or 90s. |
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| My ranking of recent decades in music: 70's > 60's > 00's > 90's > 10's > 80's The current decade does sound very weak so far though. Perhaps there does finally come a point when too much has already been done in music. |
| Music is not going downhill. There was a change in Top 100 Billboard policy when an anti-trust lawsuit forced them to take actual popularity and votes into account instead of just curating music from whatever studios they were in bed with, which caused the side effect that a random Soundclick artist could make it, for better or worse. But if your exposure to new music is limited to pop hits on the radio, then I'm sorry for you. There are so much good music out today, more than any other age, thanks to the internet. Now we can easily find music from Germany, Spain, Japan, Korea, China, the Philippines with a click of a button. There are all kinds of sounds that leave the handful of producers in the US music scene behind. |
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Music is not going downhill. There was a change in Top 100 Billboard policy when an anti-trust lawsuit forced them to take actual popularity and votes into account instead of just curating music from whatever studios they were in bed with, which caused the side effect that a random Soundclick artist could make it, for better or worse.
But if your exposure to new music is limited to pop hits on the radio, then I'm sorry for you. There are so much good music out today, more than any other age, thanks to the internet. Now we can easily find music from Germany, Spain, Japan, Korea, China, the Philippines with a click of a button. There are all kinds of sounds that leave the handful of producers in the US music scene behind.
But if your exposure to new music is limited to pop hits on the radio, then I'm sorry for you. There are so much good music out today, more than any other age, thanks to the internet. Now we can easily find music from Germany, Spain, Japan, Korea, China, the Philippines with a click of a button. There are all kinds of sounds that leave the handful of producers in the US music scene behind.
| @katsucats Can you link the judgement relating to the lawsuit you are referring to? What is the exact source of this? |
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JaniSIr said: @Meusnier Math is a way more serious topic than literature, so I was probably right on that, but I don't recall the discussion, just something about Platonic existence of numbers... Mathematics is not very important contrary to music that is one of the greatest expressions of life or the human soul. The pleasure to do mathematics is incommensurable to the pleasure of simply reading about mathematics. To be right about something, you would first have to write an argument, and not simply dismiss it in a cavalier way (with convenient expressions such as "pretentious" or "Platonic nonsense")... xfwm4 said: Meusnier said: Who cares about "enjoyment"? I enjoy eating some raw vegetables, but if a three-star restaurant offers raw carrots as a starter (without any kind of seasoning or dressing), I will not call it grande cuisine. The topic is art criticism, not low-level "right in the feels" blabla. You are no different from the anime fans who write reviews and say that they "rate based on their enjoyment," which is the degree zero of art criticism. i honestly didn't expect this. i wasn't even coming at you so why'd you come at me???? What does it mean to "come at you"? You quote me to speak about something irrelevant, how am I supposed to treat you seriously? Try saying something valuable next time (instead of your initial "trust me mate"). @traed What is your point? SmugSatoko said: Meusnier said: It would be more accurate to say that music is dead. Even orchestras and conductors seem to have lost their passion (which is not very surprising considering that previous generations had the privilege to work directly with great composers, and this transmission has been lost). I have attended to a dozen of concerts the past season, and I must admit that the new compositions were painfully uninspired and mediocre (exercises in style at best; they boast about avoiding counterpoint (say), without realising that they have also avoided to pour their souls in their compositions...). A few notes of a random symphony of Mozart could easily crush this music for musicologists (that was thankfully programmed at the beginning of this specific concert). Even if we take the 20th century in comparison, who are the equivalents of Shostakovich, Duke Ellington, and Jaco Pastorius today? All arts are moribund, and music is no exception. Painting is perhaps in an even worse shape, and eight billions of "New York Bestsellers" only show how irrelevant all this insignificant blabber has become. There are still a few good (or even great) writers today—about one or two by country on average. But there were dozens of them a century ago... People who mention very obscure bands as the most precious gift offered to mankind since sliced bread are just missing the point; the intellectual elite did not have to make any efforts to know about Wagner 150 years ago. Music is more alive than ever. There are thousands of new styles that never existed before, and like I said, millions of albums, EPs and singles of every imaginable variety. The creative possibilities are limitless. Even if you're only interested in listening to old classical compositions, there are thousands of recordings of those, with each having their own interpretation. Any recording you'll hear of those will be relatively modern anyway. Since I was heavily exposed to classical at a young age and did grueling daily practice to perform it in orchestras and wind ensembles, I kind of got sick of it; even if it's less inspired (as you put it), contemporary classical feels more interesting and fresh to me because I haven't heard those pieces countless times already. My favorite opera piece is from the Blood+ anime soundtrack. (Composed and produced by Hans Zimmer and Mark Mancina, who did the soundtracks for The Lion King, The Dark Knight and numerous other films.) The "great" of today would have likely flipped burgers in the 1970s. There are so many famous musicians who don't even make a living from it and have to hold normal jobs. Promoting music can be so expensive that in some cases, even after lots of record sales (online streaming royalties are counted in that metric now too), the artists end up owing the record labels instead, and only earn money from music by playing concerts and selling merch. Also, you're giving me PTSD from my brief tenure at Burger King long ago. Among other things, I cooked burgers on the flame grill, which was simple enough...but then they expected me to quickly make a specialty item I had never heard of, let alone knew how to prepare. When I expressed my discontent over their incompetence, they fired me...but it's their fault for neglecting to train me in the first place. Because people pretend to replace rigorous musical analysis by vague expressions that only describe their own enjoyment. Meusnier said: Who cares about "enjoyment"? I enjoy eating some raw vegetables, but if a three-star restaurant offers raw carrots as a starter (without any kind of seasoning or dressing), I will not call it grande cuisine. The topic is art criticism, not low-level "right in the feels" blabla. You are no different from the anime fans who write reviews and say that they "rate based on their enjoyment," which is the degree zero of art criticism. Art criticism has no bearing on the art itself, though; the art stands on its own merit, regardless of what people think of it. The overwhelming majority of music enthusiasts don't partake in any serious critique such as writing formal published reviews; they spend their time simply listening to the music. So what? Answer the question if you want me to take your reply seriously. If France is famous for its cheese, it is not only due to the fact that there are hundreds of varieties in the country. Maybe on day, you will be able to write a coherent argument, but this day has not come yet. Wow, thank you for letting me know that there are several recordings of Mahler symphonies, I could never have believed that!... So you were traumatised by classical music after being forced to listen and practice it against your will. What does it show exactly? Mm... nothing. Your personal experience is irrelevant in this discussion. Thanks for showing that you have a bad taste in music. I had to cleanse my ears with Wagner. SmugSatoko said: Art criticism has no bearing on the art itself, though; the art stands on its own merit, regardless of what people think of it. The overwhelming majority of music enthusiasts don't partake in any serious critique such as writing formal published reviews; they spend their time simply listening to the music. Absolute subjectivists of your kind always fail to understand that their naïve position is a trivial refutation of the possibility of art criticism. The majority of "music enthusiasts" are the same plebeians who like Picasso because their art teacher told them that he is a good painter. But the opinion of the multitude on art has never mattered: the public is always wrong, and if you feed it with mediocre art it will rejoice like swine fed with rotten potatoes. On the other hand, if school was actually doing its job, Spotify would go bankrupt tomorrow. P.S. I liked reading about your amusing story at the burger place. How can you defend capitalism after being treated so badly at work? Please reply to this question in the relevant thread where I will quote you in a few minutes. |
xfwm4 said: Meusnier said: What does it mean to "come at you"? You quote me to speak about something irrelevant, an attack of my character. Meusnier said: You quote me to speak about something irrelevant, how am I supposed to treat you seriously? Try saying something valuable next time (instead of your initial "trust me mate"). you're talking as if i did something horrible and deserving of ridicule when all i said was essentially "chill out" and "there is no right way to describe enjoyment of music nor interpret it". A faithful description of your character would be more accurate. You have yet to disprove my judgement, but it seems that you can only repeat your initial senseless take. It is a pity to see that you are too stuck in your viewpoint to consider that notions such that "enjoyment" and "interpretation" are completely orthogonal to this topic. In fact, this viewpoint permits to simply elude the question. And you do not seem to have noticed that by replying "no" to the said question, you have completely failed to justify your viewpoint by simply relying on a notion (enjoyment) that cannot give a definitive answer to the problem. I did not need to read your initial post once more. You came at me with this useless quote, so no need to cry a river if I make fun of your arguments (or lack thereof)... |
Meusnier said: So what? Answer the question if you want me to take your reply seriously. What question? The thread topic? I already answered that. If France is famous for its cheese, it is not only due to the fact that there are hundreds of varieties in the country. Maybe on day, you will be able to write a coherent argument, but this day has not come yet. If all you took away from that is that music has more variety without also possessing quality, that just shows how little you care (or know) about music. Wow, thank you for letting me know that there are several recordings of Mahler symphonies, I could never have believed that!... I mean...if you're only interested in old compositions, you might as well seek out different recordings of them. ...Now I'm thinking of the times I performed Mahler. The director brought in some famous fellow to help conduct and share his insights on the music, but all these years later I don't remember who he was. So you were traumatised by classical music after being forced to listen and practice it against your will. I never said anything about being traumatized or forced to listen to or practice it against my will. What does it show exactly? Mm... nothing. Your personal experience is irrelevant in this discussion. It shows that if you listen to the same music constantly, you can get sick of it in some ways. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy it anymore. Thanks for showing that you have a bad taste in music. I had to cleanse my ears with Wagner. You claim I have bad taste, without a shred of evidence or explanation; nothing more than an imbecilic, baseless insult. I could just as well say my taste is infinitely superior, and it would be just as baseless. Still, I have thousands of times more knowledge and experience when it comes to music, especially taking into account the countless genres you don't even listen to. Your surly assessments are of no use to one of my caliber. All that is irrelevant, as there is no such thing as good or bad taste; taste can only be subjective, because subjective perception is what taste is. (People like different things, for any number of reasons.) If it was objective, we would be talking about facts entirely separate from perception, and would be able to precisely quantify it. All people really mean when they say someone has good or bad taste is whether their preferences align with their own. *yawn* As for my opinion, I think the opera piece I shared is far more exciting and interesting. The one you posted just sounds like typical boring old-style classical that makes me want to fall asleep. Absolute subjectivists of your kind always fail to understand that their naïve position is a trivial refutation of the possibility of art criticism. Art criticism is subjective. I'm not sure what you don't understand about that. You're the one who continually fails to make coherent arguments. The majority of "music enthusiasts" are the same plebeians who like Picasso because their art teacher told them that he is a good painter. But the opinion of the multitude on art has never mattered: the public is always wrong, and if you feed it with mediocre art it will rejoice like swine fed with rotten potatoes. On the other hand, if school was actually doing its job, Spotify would go bankrupt tomorrow. I did say art stands on its own merit, regardless of what people think of it. |
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| Music can't go downhill if you ban it in the first place. Take the Taliban Pill. |
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Music can't go downhill if you ban it in the first place.
Take the Taliban Pill.
Take the Taliban Pill.
| @vasipi4946 But ISIS has has their own musician and that's how they became more relevant. |
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But ISIS has has their own musician and that's how they became more relevant.
But ISIS has has their own musician and that's how they became more relevant.
| @traed I mean I am firmly team Talib in the Taliban-ISIS conflict but I do have to admit that "For the Sake of Allah" was better than "Talib is Selected by Afghan Nation". Frumptastic said: Man, Isis was a great band... ahhahahaha |
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| The "going" phase started long time ago and is already over. Modern music is already at rock bottom. I really feel sorry for the younger zoomer and alpha generations which had to grow up with certainly the dullest, soulless, most uninspiring and outright terrible music ever created. |
| Music isn't worse. There's just way more of it now, and finding something you like is harder. |
| The music industry is getting harder to deal with as they are very powerful that smaller artists have a hard time with some crooked labels, signing contracts that are no good. |
I only write this way when I am quoted by nonentities like you and the guy above. |
| Yeah, but at least J-pop/rock and power metal is still good. |
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| Example of beautiful music these days. People can still compose great music, but very unpopular. This is the composer of Genshin Impact music, but the etudes ofc not that popular I like the first one a lot, 1st etude, reminds me of Chopin op 10 no 1, the waterfall etude |
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| What's up with the doomer attitude regarding everything? |
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