Are anime getting worse and worse ?

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author generation these days will never have the talent or creative mind that can equal a corner of the previous generation, they may have skill or writing level but they dont have the capital or the experience that only life can teach, the ideas of what they had is simply based on what already exists but is modified to suit tastes, even if it is a new idea, it is just an idea born in free time and it was limited or confinement by so many things.
Because of so many factors, it can never reach completion but simply something hollow with a magnificent appearance.
which is why the number of instant noodle works like anime these days are mass produced like an industry

@DX_impulse And yet the new stuff are good enough that it's the only things entering your favourite lists.

It's an issue of overproduction and globalization.

Yeah most art isn't original, this isn't due to some change in the industry, it's just the fact you have seen a lot, you have been exposed to a lot of the tropey writing. If you spent the same amount of time reading fantasy literature or as a film buff you would say the same thing. There gets to a point where media will not suprise you very often, and even when it surprises you that has more to do with your own ignorance than any real innovation. Innovation in art is rare and correlates a lot to a change in technology (which changes how we can make art) or a change in society (which can change expression). That isn't actually that common. As you get older, or get more experience you have to actually appreciate well executed tropey writing or you have to move on from the medium/hobby entirely.

To when? Like give a period, I have seen tons of well animated shows.

You haven't seen Pluto, Cyberpunk Edgerunners, Odd Taxi, Vinland Saga, Kingdom. If you were a Gundam fan you could have checked out Hathaway's Flash. The Spice and Wolf remake is airing. You got upcoming titles like Lazarus and Uzumaki. And I am hardly the guy to go for up to date seasonals.
Also compared to when? If we are talking late 2010s I can bring in March Comes in Like a Lion, Showa Rakugo, Banana Fish etc. Outside of the 80s and 90s OVA era (which you haven't much pre 2000), adult anime or anime with more adult themes, were never that common. This has always been a largely YA industry. There is a reason when people go to I want more adult anime, they also go to the same classics like Monster, Cowboy Bebop or Legend of the Galactic Heroes. Cause those shows were the exceptions, not the norm.

Yeah shows like Cutey Honey and Love Hina were for people with 160IQs lol.

Immediately disregarded.

You are making a classic old vs new post which has been done in every discussion about media/art for centuries if longer. There are literal forum posts from people in the 90s complaining about 90s anime ruining the medium, and being vastly inferior to 70s anime. Whether it's valid or not is really up to you. You like "older shows" (I have to give that 2000s and 2010s shows are getting old) fair enough, I tend to like older live action movies/shows. I just also am aware that I have a bias that probably is likely influencing my viewing habits, rather than the medium literally going to shit. Gaming I have at times felt things have gotten worse, then I go back and play older games I loved and...well let's just say most haven't aged well.

Stop watching anime, get into other media. If you want good written fantasy why do you pick up some fantasy novels from Western writers instead? They tend to do better work there on average.

Yet when I watched it, as a more experienced fan I was less impressed, and thought the first work I saw of Ohba/Obata, Bakuman was way better.

Well then you should definitely quit then. Also despite seeing 700+ shows you have entire eras (most pre 2000 stuff) you seem to have neglected along with other genres like mecha. If you are going to complain about not seeing enough adult anime, I just find that kinda self inflected when you haven't seen many of the actually highly praised shows/films aimed at adults like Ghost in the Shell, Legend of the Galactic Heroes, Mushishi, Monster or less mainstream titles like The Big O or Texhnolyze. You want a unique isekai? Go watch Now and Then, Here and There.

I watch everything, genre, era wise and I take breaks often from anime. That is why I don't have lengthy burn outs or grow to resent the medium. Then again maybe you have truly grown out of anime, but that is why you get into other media and see if that is the case. If you still love the medium, there will be a desire to come back.

@BilboBaggins365 Dayum, this is a pretty long response. But yeah, generally I agree with most of your statements. It's better to broaden your horizons and try different things rather than just dedicate to a single medium because it can get pretty stale when you watch too much of it. Watching Western movies, maybe watch trashy movies with charm like I did with Who Killed Captain Alex. Sometimes it's good to take a step back and have a break.

nah, Cyberpunk is more edgy than mature. Kingdom on the other hand is just battle shounen without superpowers but with politics. And Vinland Saga is actually quite shounen friendly.

only watched ep 1 so far but Holo was more mature in the 2008 version.

now THIS has adult spice, i agree.

never that common? Bruh you serious? Ghost in the Shell SAC, Sentou Yousei Yukikaze, Area 88, Berserk, The Big O, Samurai Champloo, Hellsing, Speed Grapher, Kino's Journey, Texhnolyze, Ergo Proxy, Kaiji, Gundam 00, Paranoia Agent, Master Keaton, Aoi Bungaku, Taiho Shichau zo, Kaiba, Phantom Requiem etc etc? These all came out in the late 90s and 2000s.

i rewatched Death Note when i became more experienced with the medium and was more impressed compared to first time. I'm yet to watch Bakuman so let's see.

The artstyle in improving but story wise its turning into safe 7/10 material that Npcs would watch

@KryzakamiHrybami
so do I need to add some old stuff '90s anime to my list like NGE, sailor moon or something?
when I get bored of something and I find new things that interest me in a new genre, not in just a new anime, and then Im no longer favor these old stuff I used to like, so I do need to?
just cut off your sarcasm when you know shit about my list already.

YES its getting worse. 2022 and onward have been non-stop typical anime's. anime used to have a crazy new release every season.



animes like this have been littered EVERYWHERE. its actually disgusting, why does it look like this.

@Kenzolo-folk It really hasn't. The only thing that's gotten worse is like others have said, way too much stuff being produced. Actually take the time to look back at past decades; 2010's, 2000's, 90's and so on. The meh to just ok have always outweighed the good/great. The only major changes have been art styles, fads changing, and the amount of anime coming out each year. That's it. It only feels like it's getting worse because the quantity has increased.

And I'm going to get ahead of any disagreement right now by saying any response to this is just going to be based on subjective personal bias and not actual fact. You can say the same about my argument if you want. I don't care. I'm just speaking as someone who's watched somewhat consistently for a fairly long time.

@FanofAction
yeah its definitely because of overproduction. and I hate it because the animes that have been pumped out all have this horrible really anime-y artstyle like in the late 2000s and early 2010s. i thought from 2015+ we were passed that, guess not.

@Kenzolo-folk Yeah..Even I can admit more variety in artstyles would be nice. I'm just glad we don't get the really big anime eyes anymore. Yeah, they're still kinda big, but from what I've seen, the really big eyes are mostly on the little kid characters. Which I'm fine with.

This right here is a bit much for me.

yes they may categorically be YA but those three feel more teen than adult. Like if there was a Bleach-Berserk scale they'd defo lean more towards Bleach than Berserk.

And Edgerunners, sure they did have to follow the game in many ways but not necessarily having a teenage mc with a fairly sad background, and a story about him joining a not-so-legal group of adults doing not-so-legal things, they rise and then eventually fall apart, which ain't sth that a mid-20s me would look at and say "this is mature".

faithfulness doesn't matter. We're talking about fulfilling the "adult" thing here. Idk about the writing but she SOUNDS more like a wise wolf in 2008 than in 2024. Her voice itself, the intonations, just her speech pattern.

Yeah yeah, ik that "you don't need to sound like one to be one".

no i wouldn't call them a norm but such shows were surely MUCH more abundant then than today and also tackle heavier themes than today's adult shows on top of that.

2004 specifically but their origin aside, the writings and aesthetics are very different. The 2004 tv series as a whole was more of a soldier story, deeper than the 1985's more simple fighter pilot story like Shin's character was different, he was more depressed in 2004, there were a lot more bits surrounding the base and its inhabitants, and the endings are different. The style and feels are different. So the "it had an older version no need to mention the newer one" logic doesn't work.

I thought we were talking about "how many adult shows were there back then" not "how many popular shows back then were adult shows".

not Girls' Last Tour. It's rather just a dark moe show compared to the rest.

I don't see why an anime for mature audience wouldn't be allowed to have violence, nudity and gore.

For me the difference is in the narrative structure.

Anime for mature audiences I can recommend are for example: