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Feb 27, 2019 8:57 AM

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Not sure why you grouped in Hyouka with Oregairu and Bunny Girl. Bunny Girl/Oregairu/Monogatari are all kind of similar, but Hyouka is completely different from any of those three...


What's the difference?
Feb 27, 2019 11:09 AM

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Well yh, of course there will be less users, its a second season. People who didnt like first season wouldve dropped it there. Only fans of the show watched both seasons and so the fact that season 2 is higher according to most of them shows it 🤷‍♂️

What?

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As for Chitanda, I honestly hear more good things about her than bad. But like I said, I need to finish Hyouka first, still got 11 episodes left then I will judge her (tho I dont mind her so far).

Come on she is pictured as "not very bright" even in-universe.
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I guess I was swayed by the fact that BGS was getting so much attention and was pretty much the talk of the season but forgot that naturally it being relatively new would be fresh in people's mind, so it was dumb to compare it with oregairu's or hyouka's popularity. I love animes like oregairu, classroom of the elite etc and was having simmilar vibe from BGS's episode 1. But was disappointed after episode 2 and it never got as good as I expected so started having a biased opinion on it till the very last episode. I guess in some other universe and timeline, I would have liked it as much as others. Comparing an anime with another while watching it was a big mistake which I learned.

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Feb 27, 2019 12:19 PM

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ASaid99 said:

I just done see how less users scoring the second season (which is the same for second seasons of literally anime) disproves the fact that most fans of the show enjoyed it more than the first.

- MAL scores are unreliable but even we suggest that they are equally unreliable inside a franchise the different count obstructs us to make the conclusion that in fact the second season is/was more popular.
- What makes me think that the second ruined the series is that I was following the comments (here and on other sites) and the first got nothing but praise but there were a lot of disappointed watchers from the second - me including. Yes my perspective is very limited but I think that around Zoku people stopped talking about OreGairu.


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Also airheaded characters like Chitanda can be pretty lovable too 🤷‍♂️

Well she is not Yui (and I don't like her too).
Feb 27, 2019 12:22 PM

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What are you talking about Oregairu is way more popular than Bunny girl senpai



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Feb 27, 2019 12:23 PM

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I have not watched a single one of the 3 yeat but I guess Bunny Girl senpay was hyped, I dont really think it deserves it so I avoid it for now.
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Feb 27, 2019 3:09 PM
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Someone kept telling me, "Bunny Girl Senpai is the best of the season, you have to watch it."
I just watched last week, and I didn't get why it is so acclameid by the people.
I mean... nothing original, right? there are a lot of anime like that.
I think people prefer anime with cheap dialogue, then they can understand the story.


are there really? There's exactly one show I can think of that has a comparable structure and emphasis and that is Monogatari (and that chinese Monogatari clone probably), and Bunny Girl manages to still be distinct enough from that by focusing much more on the main relationship so it didn't bother me that much.

I've seen 5k anime and Bunny Girl seemed pretty unique overall so what do you know that I don't? Or is it that because I've seen so much, having only 1 or 2 similar shows still counts as pretty unique for me?

But let's set the originality debate aside. I was getting into it expecting it to be generic and not to my liking but ended up pleasantly surprised by how effective it was and how likable the characters and romance were. It wasn't as good at the arc-based mysteries and sharp dialogues as Monogatari and didn't pull off the cynicism as well as Oregairu, and you can certainly compare certain elements of it to other shows, but as a whole it felt like a fairly unique mix of things and most importantly it was executed very well, which is always more important than how unique the concept is.

Getting hung up on the originiality of an anime that just perfectly executes stuff that is generally enjoyed by a lot of people, is really missing the point of their appeal. People know what they like and they like seeing those things done really well. That's almost always gonna be more appealing to a larger amount of people than trying to do something completely new. Virtual-san is doing something new this season, something unique that no show has done before, and it still isn't doing well. That's because execution matters over originality.


There are many shows with a similar premise to Bunny girl senpai, they don't need to be exactly the same episode after episode in order to be similar to it.
Feb 27, 2019 3:14 PM

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oregairu and hyouka are way more popular, look at the number under each rating
also, oregairu is way better than both and hyouka is extremely boring

sometimes the more popular a show is the lower the rating goes
if bunny girl had been in more users' anime lists it wouldn't be rated that high

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are there really? There's exactly one show I can think of that has a comparable structure and emphasis and that is Monogatari (and that chinese Monogatari clone probably), and Bunny Girl manages to still be distinct enough from that by focusing much more on the main relationship so it didn't bother me that much.

I've seen 5k anime and Bunny Girl seemed pretty unique overall so what do you know that I don't? Or is it that because I've seen so much, having only 1 or 2 similar shows still counts as pretty unique for me?

But let's set the originality debate aside. I was getting into it expecting it to be generic and not to my liking but ended up pleasantly surprised by how effective it was and how likable the characters and romance were. It wasn't as good at the arc-based mysteries and sharp dialogues as Monogatari and didn't pull off the cynicism as well as Oregairu, and you can certainly compare certain elements of it to other shows, but as a whole it felt like a fairly unique mix of things and most importantly it was executed very well, which is always more important than how unique the concept is.

Getting hung up on the originiality of an anime that just perfectly executes stuff that is generally enjoyed by a lot of people, is really missing the point of their appeal. People know what they like and they like seeing those things done really well. That's almost always gonna be more appealing to a larger amount of people than trying to do something completely new. Virtual-san is doing something new this season, something unique that no show has done before, and it still isn't doing well. That's because execution matters over originality.


There are many shows with a similar premise to Bunny girl senpai, they don't need to be exactly the same episode after episode in order to be similar to it.


I still haven't heard any examples. How many anime are there really where MC goes around helping a bunch of people with supernatural problems in a romance/school setting? That is the premise, and not an episode after episode summary, and I still only remember Monogatari so please enlighten me if you know more.

Of course depending on how vaguely you define 'similar premise' you can come up with a lot of stuff. You could compare it to Mushishi for the 'helping people with supernatural problems' part, or with any random school anime based on the setting but imo that's pretty pointless. You can find 'similar premises' for basically everything with that approach. It's just sophistry at that point.

Also my point about execution > premise still stands.
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Feb 27, 2019 3:27 PM

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Idk, I dropped Hyouka after 3 episodes. The art was really nice, but it felt about as exciting as watching paint dry. I haven't seen Oregairu (though on my PTW), but I really enjoyed Bunny Girl Senpai. Different tastes, my dude.

Bunny Girl Senpai literally has half the overall members that the other two have. I'm sure as more people watch it over time, the lower the score will drop. It'll probably end up around the ~8.2 mark by the time it accumulates the same amount of member ratings.


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Pullman said:
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There are many shows with a similar premise to Bunny girl senpai, they don't need to be exactly the same episode after episode in order to be similar to it.


I still haven't heard any examples. How many anime are there really where MC goes around helping a bunch of people with supernatural problems in a romance/school setting? That is the premise, and not an episode after episode summary, and I still only remember Monogatari so please enlighten me if you know more.

Of course depending on how vaguely you define 'similar premise' you can come up with a lot of stuff. You could compare it to Mushishi for the 'helping people with supernatural problems' part, or with any random school anime based on the setting but imo that's pretty pointless. You can find 'similar premises' for basically everything with that approach. It's just sophistry at that point.

Also my point about execution > premise still stands.


Well Monogatari is the most talked about when comparing Bunny girl senpai to other shows but that doesn't mean it is the only one, also as i said shows don't need to be the same episode after episode in order to be similar. If we go by what you say then how many anime are similar to naruto?, how many anime out there are similar to Mushishi?. The premise is what is important not the execution because there won't be many anime with the same execution as there would with the same premise.
Examples of anime similar to Bunny girl senpai: Bakemonogatari, Kokoro connect, suzumiya haruhi, sakurada reset, sakurasou no pet na kanojo, just because, Youkoso Jitsuryoku, Zetsuen no Tempest, Hyouka...
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Hey oregairu and hyouka were popular especially during it's time of release, few years ago, and its still popular but not as hot as now like Bunny girl senpai who happen to be released last fall and has a upcoming movie.

If I were to rank: 1. Oregairu, 2. Bunny girl senpai, 3. Hyouka
Feb 27, 2019 3:38 PM
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Well, i don't know about Bunny Girl or OreGairu since i haven't watched them but Hyouka is a snore fest, it literally bores you to death, it does not deserve a higher rating, i dare say it's actually overrated if anything.
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Well i love Oregairu and Hyouka and couldn't finish Bunny.

Some people find Hyouka boring. That's the reason why I love it. it's Realistic, that's all.
And there are not so many Anime as realistic as this one for describing daily life or characters personnality.
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Feb 27, 2019 6:08 PM

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I'd say the supernatural element of Bunny Girl may attract a wider audience, or at least get a better response from a wider audience, and, it got the MCs in a relationship (nevermind the fact that Mai blueballs Sakuta all day long). Oregairu is a slice of life comedy with the typical "nobody wants to accept their feelings" plot, Hyouka is super chill mystery/SoL combo, your audience for these two is very locked in on the SoL fans.

I liked all three, but Bunny Girl just felt a bit more interesting than the other two (mind you, I haven't watched the Monogatari series that it's often compared to). Also, as soon as every episode started I wanted to go out and run through the streets screaming "Kimi no Sei, Kimi no Sei, Kimi no Sei de, watashi UwU".

I have to say though, I'm curious after seeing so many people disliking Chitanda, she's best girl across the three series for me.
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Hyouka and Oregairu are 9/10 series when Bunny Senpai is a 5/10..
Story wise Hyouka is better than Oregairu, it is one of the most unique mystery out there.. Character wise, Oregairu is far better though ...
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Hyouka is the only one of the three animes referenced in the OP that I’ve seen so I’m not comparing it to either, but I definitely agree with everyone saying it was boring.

The mysteries were trivial and irrelevent, they could of just walked away and said “yknow what, who cares?” at any point and no one would of been any worse off for it.

The romance is almost nonexistent and the characters sucked. Chitanda and Oreki are annoying and the other two are just irrelevent
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Hyouka and Oregairu are 9/10 series when Bunny Senpai is a 5/10..
Story wise Hyouka is better than Oregairu, it is one of the most unique mystery out there.. Character wise, Oregairu is far better though ...


Hyouka’s plot and “mysteries” were hardly unique or even existent for that matter. Literally nothing happened over the course of the show.
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"Why isn't OreGairu and Hyouka as popular and well rated like Bunny Girl Senpai?"

OreGairu was way more popular than Bunny Girl Senpai but the horrible second season ruined its creds.

Hyouka is a slow detective show about school mysteries like "Who locked the door?", "Who have stolen those useless random objects?" and "What Hyouka even means?" - very few people like those also didn't have a conclusion.

PS
And yeah Chitanda is really annoying.


If it will be some sort of comfort to you I value OreGairu and Hyouka way above Bunny Girl Senpai (which I dropped after a half of episode).
Also most people love Chitanda.


Let's be honest here...........Chitanda IS kind of annoying. She's a pushy, naive, close-talker that you wouldn't hesitate to ditch IRL at the first opportunity. But she's annoying in an endearing way (or at least, that's how the anime portrays it).
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So I've only seen BGS, and while I plan to get to the other two, I haven't had time yet. With that being said, my guess why BGS has a significantly higher score is just the fact that BGS is more recent, because the anime community has exploded in the past 5 years and it's become more common for good seasonal shows to become "top 25 anime of all time contender" even if realistically, no it's not THAT good. Plus shows scores go down with time as the initial hype wears off and people look back and ask "was it really that good?"

As for what the appeal of BGS is, I liked the character dialogue, I found it charming yet heartfelt and I liked the social issues handled through supernatural metaphor thing. Maybe OreGairu and Hyouka do them better, I'll find out when I get around to them, but I felt it did it well enough for me to like it, and I imagine for a lot of people it's the same.
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Hyouka is the only one of the three animes referenced in the OP that I’ve seen so I’m not comparing it to either, but I definitely agree with everyone saying it was boring.

The mysteries were trivial and irrelevent, they could of just walked away and said “yknow what, who cares?” at any point and no one would of been any worse off for it.

The romance is almost nonexistent and the characters sucked. Chitanda and Oreki are annoying and the other two are just irrelevent


That is the main point of Hyouka.. Nothing amazing happen, the world is not in danger, no died, most people do not even care, but still there are little misteries around you.. That is a strong message I think ...
You also said that Hyouka is not unique.. Can you tell me other series (not necessarily an anime) similar to Hyouka ?
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Because recent and new anime are always more popular and most anime die after some time
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it seems natural to me to say that an opinion is pretty shitty if it says things like "oregairu S2 is bad"
Am I not allowed to have opinions on someone's opinions ?

Elitists have more characteristics than just saying people's opinions are shit


Like what?

If you think your opinion is inherently better than other opinions without even attempting to bring in arguments or anything to back it up you're basically implying that you and your opinions are better than others by default, which is pretty 'elitist' if you ask me.

But whatever, keep on being condescending towards disagreeing opinions while not even providing arguments and feel like you're the good guy in the process. Hypocrisy is rampant in this fandom already, one more of you won't make a difference.
calm down there, by "shitty" i meant i dissagree and cant understand what he stated, i cant understand how Chitanda is annoying.
and i think Oregairu s2 was better than the first.
i dont hate the energy and time to elaborate arguments for everyine that i happen to pass and is dissagreeing with me. my opinion is not better byu default, i just thinkl it is because its mine, my opnion is mine f\so of course i will put it highewr than others'

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alshu said:
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lets just say everything is shitty

Ha! Funny thing, everybody repeats that after arguing with me.
while i dont like the idea of being the same as someone, i guess its the most obvious corse of the disscussion

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So much Hyouka hate, even though it's actually slice of life and character study done right... /smh

Anyway, op. Every season has a couple of different 'popular' anime that has staying power for maybe half a year.
I guantee that a year from now no one will be saying bunny girl sempai is one of the best. Some people will say it's a favorite, but the hype will be gone.
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I mean, bunny girl isn't as popular, but it's more liked (arguably)



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Secondly Hyouka is just boring for the most part and doesn't really offer much aside from big chitanda eyes and lazy, pointless mysteries that don't go anywhere. Personally I don't see it coming even close to either of those shows in terms of the characters, the content, anything.


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most importantly it was executed very well, [...]
Getting hung up on the originiality of an anime that just perfectly executes stuff that is generally enjoyed by a lot of people, is really missing the point of their appeal. People know what they like and they like seeing those things done really well. That's almost always gonna be more appealing to a larger amount of people than trying to do something completely new.


Details and details and details.
Gestures, small movements, intricate dialogue put into a setting that contrasts lethargy and curiosity which is after all pro-life and filled with so much sense of wonder that the coming of age story takes a slow back burner at times. The characters dynamics are phenomenal. The mysteries all revolve around the mundane but never lack personal stakes which make them meaningful - if you fail to notice that you would probably dislike the show if you weren't otherwise intrigued by the cast.
The singular pitfall of Hyouka is the build-up to drama for anything that the casual viewer would regard as big.

Stakes are referring to the things that keep characters involved in the conflict, rather than just walking away and doing something else. The story must be driven by things characters have at stake.

What Hyouka incorporates are relational, interpersonal and personal stakes. Why doesn't Oreki walk away - why does he help Chitanda? Why is Chitanda interested in the most mundane mysteries? Why do Fukube and Ibara tag along?
What are their motivations for action?
We do not only learn about all of this, but it also is causal.

The most interesting aspect in this high character stakes driven story is the conflict of Oreki's worldview. His two conflicting desires giving up one to bring about the nobler one, and its bittersweet struggle.

The casual fundamental misconception of stakes is the regard that they have to be world-shattering for all people, here the only world that shatters and is rebuild is that of Oreki and his companions.

Why should we care about Oreki? Because we learn to understand him, we get into his headspace and learn about his desires and conflicts and then have the ability to feel empathy.
We learn why it matters to them.
Character (in)competence, proactivity and plausibility engage us.

The subplots are all around well-structured as adequately.

As an example: the bath scene in episode seven where Oreki passes out visually imagining how Chitanda takes her bath through the sound contrasts so well with scenes like Chitanda standing under the cherry trees staring, in enthralled wonder, at the petals around here. His infatuation and desire, his character voice is so distinct and clear during moments like these.

Chitanda invades Oreki's private space on the regular and overwhelms him; it is easier to do what she wants than to suffer through that. Chitanda is unaware consumed by the small curiosities and wonders around her. Only later (episode 19) she realises just how close she gets to Oreki. In the same manner, Oreki changes from his reclusive attitude to a more proactive engagement (compare episode 1 and 2 with episode 15 and 18). He solves problems and starts to enjoy it while slowly falling in love with more of Chitandas facets. Oreki indulges Chitanda he is a constant of joy and wonders he makes life more full less traditional, less rigid he is there and has her back, he supports her and provides the escape she yearns.
When she, for the first time, notices how she invades Oreki's private space and, actually, notices that he is present as a person instead of a valve for her vanity, it is impactful.

Oreki is also not just a bland tool for solving puzzles we see how he messes up the student film case (episode 11 and 12) and gets deceived by Irisu - a side character with plausible motivations, steering him away from Hongo. The side-characters' motives are at times plain, but they are compatible.
Satoshi is struggling to fit-in to make up for what he perceives as a lack of motivation (episode 16) that a "main character would have." He feels like he doesn't have anything to offer at times and the valentines-chocolate-arc (episode 17-20) clears any doubts that one could have for his motivations or whether they are plausible from his perspective.

Perspective, in general, is something that Hyouka excels at.
For instance, the adult librarian regrets her own actions during her time in school, stating that "being righteous and revolutionary" at the time, was a pointless incident without any long-term effect. The students opposed the teachers when the teachers decided to cut the cultural festival short to further the school's reputation as an academic school. The librarian's views change to that of an authority which she previously opposed (episode 5).

Hyouka keeps its promises highlighting that with the matching scenes at the beginning and end of the story to show how Oreki has changed through all the meaningful interaction with his friends and his love interest. He now enjoys the rose-coloured view and indulges with the atmosphere that before was oppressive and energy draining.

The show certainly has its wacky moments like getting drunk of whiskey chocolates, it is mundane and might not appeal to everyone, but the execution throughout is nothing short of intricate.

Look at how distinct character interactions transpire in this shot: https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/6882 the series is filled with similar scenes that give so much insight into real characters with flaws, stakes and problems.

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Not counting oregairu S1
Oregairu S2's impression is that, it was too damn edgy, tried too hard.
Hyouka was good, but bunny girl's character interactions is what brought it up that high from the looks of it.
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Well it was slightly better than Hyouka in the character department. Not sure what this Oregairu is. Is that an abbreviation? It's not showing up when I search. Don't think I've seen it unless it was under an English title.
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Sadly there will always be overhyped anime that arent exactly brilliant. Ive learnt to just deal with it. Usually the ppl that overhype stuff are just mainstream watchers so yeah
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Bc the bunny girl is exciting for Virgin teenager I think
There always are a overhyped show so each season
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In mt opinion, Hyouka is a thematic masterpiece and amazing show all around.
That said, it's not everybody's kind of show. Though not bad, the beginning of the show takes it's time establishing the series - which works considering it's a two-cour show.
Bunny Girl Senpai on the other hand, couldn't take that time even if it wanted to with only 13 episodes and so many arcs to cover.

Bunny Girl Senpai is great, but once Hyouka gets going, it's a spectacle.
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Mar 7, 2019 4:11 PM
What you talkin' about? OreGairu and Hyouka are more popular than Bunny Girl.
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Ok, first of all, Oregairu is fucking Trash!

Secondly, Bunny Girl Senpai is the Poor man’s Monogatari...like, VERY poor man.

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Just because the main characters are alike doesn't mean the series are the same and worth comparing

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What are you talking about? OreGairu and Hyouka are more popular than Bunny Girl Senpai.

Haven't seen the other two yet and I loved Bunny Girl Senpai mainly for the romance between the two leads. The supernatural, though enjoyable, do tend to get old but some still intriguing and at times make the show a bit more interesting to me.

Help, I'm hooked into the Fate series (not all) and am obsessed with Shirou x Saber!
Also, forever hoping for a ufotable remake of the Fate route!
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