| Not reading the entire threat but if any of y'all talks shit about angel beats prepare to fight |
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| NTR seems to be a quick and easy way to rile people up. |
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NihilisticLoner said: The cheapest tactics to make the viewer emotion in anime I've seen are: -Have the characters scream and cry about their feelings, like an autistic kid who's unable to communicate (even though the latter would be FAR more compelling drama) -Melodramatic backstories (*coughs* Angel Beats) -Using little kids (only reason people cried over Nina was because FMAB is so popular) -Having other characters be sad about an underdeveloped character's death, so that the audience will care, because they sympathize with the characters, not the character that actually died. There are no cheap tricks tbh. Only tricks that are done well and done poorly. Like a death of a underdeveloped character just doesn't work indeed. But if the characters are not sad about it then it would only make things worse because it makes the rest look like assholes. But then again Death only works well if: - the show has good characters - if the death affects the cast - if it also can happen to major characters - if death is not used to much in a short timespan And above all, if death is permanent, no ressurection or fake death and etc. And the Nina case is not just shocking because she was a young kid, it was shocking because it was her father who did that to her. Plus ppl prefer how FMA did it over how FMAB did it. In fact many who watched the 2003 version found that Brotherhood did it poorly. And yh characters screaming out and stuff gets annoying. It works a lot better if the character had a more subtile approach like talking softly for example. But we ppl also tend to raise our voice when emotions run high but we don't sound obnoxious when we do it. And yes having an drama about an authistic kid sounds like a compelling story which makes me wonder why almost no anime does that. And Angel Beats.... Dam does every character have to have a sad backstory? Doing that to all the characters will only backfire by cheapening it as a whole. Having characters with no sad backstory along with ones who do actually makes it better. Plus Melodrama already screams BAD to me to. |
Maelstrom said: honestly I'm fine with characters dying to make us feel more emotional but most anime fail at this because their death is exaggerated or predictable. bad example good example The 3rd Hokage is indeed a good example. Seeing a examplary strong character die so early is also shocking. His death also had impact on the whole village and showed a Passing the torch when Tsunade became the 5th. Heck one of the themes of Naruto is passing the Torch. Just look at the chain of Hokages. The 3rd was student of the 1st and the 4th was a student of pervy sage who was a student of the 3rd (and was also the 1st choice for becoming the 5th until he denied it and brought Tsunade into it), then the 4th was the sensei of Kakashi who became the 6th and who became the 7th? Naruto who was Kakashi's student. |
NihilisticLoner said: The cheapest tactics to make the viewer emotion in anime I've seen are: -Have the characters scream and cry about their feelings, like an autistic kid who's unable to communicate (even though the latter would be FAR more compelling drama) -Melodramatic backstories (*coughs* Angel Beats) -Using little kids (only reason people cried over Nina was because FMAB is so popular) -Having other characters be sad about an underdeveloped character's death, so that the audience will care, because they sympathize with the characters, not the character that actually died. -People scream and cry about their feelings all the time, specially if they are traumatic, shocking or very painful. Not sure why you dismiss something that is very natural right from the beginning. If you think showing despair and extreme sadness is cheap by default you are being reductive and random. -Again, reductive. A lot of people have terrible backstories and yes, they have an effect in their psyche. And among other things it's utterly stupid to complain about the characters of Angel beats all having horrible and sad past lives because that's THE WHOLE POINT AND PREMISE OF THE SERIES. -I haven't watched Brotherhood but in the first FMA there were many other elements than your cheap and reductive statement. The fact it was her own father, the relationship Ed and Alphonse had with both of them, the psychological element of seeing somebody you were fond of turned into something horrible by somebody you trusted, the ethical considerations for Alchemy that the main characters were already pretty sensitive about due to their own background. -Depends on the focus. If the focus is to put yourself in the character's shoes, then sure. But if, say, a character observed from the MC's viewpoint acts erratic and affected by a sad event that happened off-screen and the whole point is that there is a communicative barrier from the very premise that you, or you in the MC's shoes, haven't witnessed or empathised with their suffering, that is actually very valid. |
| @Deknijff ? I fail to see how the stock footage of Utena has anything to do with cliché uses of soundtrack. If anything, Utena does extra efforts in the soundtrack department with tracks for each duel, more than one composer, and a couple interesting gimmicks and choices. I do have problems with stock footage but the root of the evil isn't the same. Stock footage is an attempt at saving budget, and can be done in decent ways (I'll take Utena's stairway scene over the stock footage of Sailor Moon every day). It's also still better IMO than enduring 2 mins of pointless filler mouthflap dialogue. Putting the same tear-jerking piano track in every sad scene, on the other hand, doesn't save anything. Except maybe efforts and creativity. |
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| 'Cheap trick' everyones has right to complain or be critics until they realizes how it's hard to move reader/viewer hearts i don't know so, iam rarely complain about stories |
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ZSTGL_IMA said: I wouldn't say that it's a cheap trick... Like in Made in Abyss when the mc was gonna die I didn't give a crap just wanted her to die because I didn't like her When a character I feel somewhat attached to dies, then I kinda feel emotional lol like Akame ga kill.... Mine's death was emotional af... It's neither cheap nor forced rather it's a common tactic..but again it depends upon the show... Like in Made in Abyss, I felt it was forced... And why would someone be emotional over a "cheap/forced" tactic? This post is ASS-backwards and reeks of poor taste. Please fix it. |
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Deknijff said: @Clebardman well if that would mean more stolen art work taken from Gustav Klimt there is no reason to complain am I right ?  why do people praise the OP so much? i think using klimt is brilliant but mashing cat-eared fanservice anime girls with klimt is so pastiche and unaesthetic that it comes off trashy |
Chiibi said: ZSTGL_IMA said: I wouldn't say that it's a cheap trick... Like in Made in Abyss when the mc was gonna die I didn't give a crap just wanted her to die because I didn't like her When a character I feel somewhat attached to dies, then I kinda feel emotional lol like Akame ga kill.... Mine's death was emotional af... It's neither cheap nor forced rather it's a common tactic..but again it depends upon the show... Like in Made in Abyss, I felt it was forced... And why would someone be emotional over a "cheap/forced" tactic? This post is ASS-backwards and reeks of poor taste. Please fix it. Am I supposed to reply to this? I just read my post.. And I think it's too late to edit it |
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It's never too late to edit a post. There is no time limit. XD But really, MiA is brilliant and AgK is crap, dude. :/ |
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Hey by ass-backwards, did you mean I was wrong about MiA OR what I typed wasn't in order? Nah you're wrong, MiA's crap and overrated. AgK's way better than MiA. |
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ZSTGL_IMA said: Hey by ass-backwards, did you mean I was wrong about MiA OR what I typed wasn't in order? Nah you're wrong, MiA's crap and overrated. AgK's way better than MiA. Are you INSANE? Akame Ga Kill is one of the laziest shows I've ever seen! All it does is introduce characters and kill them in the span of two episodes. The writing is shit. The characters have one personality trait. Everyone loves Tatsumi for no good reason. There was no explanation for why Mine would die from injuries that were less serious than the ones she suffered in previous episodes. She dies because the show decided that. The show itself doesn't know if it's a comedy, a horror, or a bad dating sim. Ratings between the two: Akame Ga Kill https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=15919 Review: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/akame-ga-kill/blu-ray-collection-2/.102412 Made in Abyss https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=18952 Review: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/made-in-abyss/episodes-1-13/.123135 Only an idiot would argue the first show is better in terms of writing, production quality, characters, design, creativity, etc. :/ |
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Chiibi said: ZSTGL_IMA said: Hey by ass-backwards, did you mean I was wrong about MiA OR what I typed wasn't in order? Nah you're wrong, MiA's crap and overrated. AgK's way better than MiA. Are you INSANE? Akame Ga Kill is one of the laziest shows I've ever seen! All it does is introduce characters and kill them in the span of two episodes. The writing is shit. The characters have one personality trait. Everyone loves Tatsumi for no good reason. There was no explanation for why Mine would die from injuries that were less serious than the ones she suffered in previous episodes. She dies because the show decided that. The show itself doesn't know if it's a comedy, a horror, or a bad dating sim. Ratings between the two: Akame Ga Kill https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=15919 Review: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/akame-ga-kill/blu-ray-collection-2/.102412 Made in Abyss https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=18952 Review: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/made-in-abyss/episodes-1-13/.123135 Only an idiot would argue the first show is better in terms of writing, production quality, characters, design, creativity, etc. :/ Just re-read everything I said, I didn't even try arguing about anything. Did I? And I am not in the mood either since I am having exams these days. |
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bitchassdarius said: if you say so Deknijff said: why do people praise the OP so much? i think using klimt is brilliant but mashing cat-eared fan service anime girls with klimt is so pastiche and unaesthetic that it comes off trashy@Clebardman well if that would mean more stolen art work taken from Gustav Klimt there is no reason to complain am I right ? I find it very aesthetically pleasing so depends on person I guess Clebardman said: the transformation sequence is also cliche though @Deknijff ? I fail to see how the stock footage of Utena has anything to do with cliché uses of soundtrack. If anything, Utena does extra efforts in the soundtrack department with tracks for each duel, more than one composer, and a couple interesting gimmicks and choices. I do have problems with stock footage but the root of the evil isn't the same. Stock footage is an attempt at saving budget, and can be done in decent ways (I'll take Utena's stairway scene over the stock footage of Sailor Moon every day). It's also still better IMO than enduring 2 mins of pointless filler mouthflap dialogue. Putting the same tear-jerking piano track in every sad scene, on the other hand, doesn't save anything. Except maybe efforts and creativity. making music also costs money so I don't see a problem with them using the same song if it saves money and they're pleased with the OST they made for the show Chiibi said: list of characters who didn't die 2 episodes after being introduced Akame Ga Kill is one of the laziest shows I've ever seen! All it does is introduce characters and kill them in the span of two episodes.          Chiibi said: lol posts ratings to try and justify point by relying on flock mentality Ratings between the two: Akame Ga Kill https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=15919 Review: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/akame-ga-kill/blu-ray-collection-2/.102412 Made in Abyss https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=18952 Review: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/made-in-abyss/episodes-1-13/.123135 Only an idiot would argue the first show is better in terms of writing, production quality, characters, design, creativity, etc. :/  You posting 2 reviews also is meaningless honestly. @ZSTGL_IMA could just do the very same but with reviews that fit his opinion just as you have here |
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bitchassdarius said: .It looks as it looks I guess my dude. this legit just looks like some shit a 17yo would post on her deviantart  |
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subrashijohnsan said: man_of_culture said: The author intentionally kept the audience without the important information about the main character's father, and only feed us with selective information that portrayed him as an excessively bad parent, when in fact he was not. The story is told from the perspective of Tomoya. At the time, he himself did not see the hidden side of his father, and only saw what the 'bad' sides man_of_culture said: The author made the main character act badly toward the father based on that limited information, like as if the main character did not know all the facts. But he didn't though? Tomoya didn't realize his fathers sacrifice until his grandmother(?) told him about what really happened. man_of_culture said: Then in the end, the author reveals all the facts about the father and therefore suddenly completely changing the perspective of the audience, when the audience should be given the same information the main character had from the beginning in order to realistically see/judge the situation. Like I mentioned before, even Tomoya himself didn't know his father was actually good. Even so, the story is generally not told from an omnipotent perspective. The audience follows Tomoya and only really knows information as seen through his perspective save for a few situations Not saying you don't have any rights to hate C:AS, but at least get the information right :P (unless of course, I'm wrong) Of course you are wrong, unless Tomoya was a complete retard. |
NihilisticLoner said: 1) People in real life are much stronger than that, ESPECIALLY the Japanese (a culture taught to control their emotions). Reaching that breaking point takes a lot longer, and only idiots or people with mental disorders, scream in public. It's much easier to get the audience to sympathize with a character screaming and crying about their problems, then a character who just keeps quiet, looks a little sad, talks a little, like the entire cast in House of 5 Leaves which, btw, had only ONE scene of a character crying, and there was still no screaming, or even talking. No. People in real life are not much stronger than that. Picture for instance a mother who just lost her child. She loses her temper, cries and much likely ends up in a hospital receiving treatment for her emotional shock. And I don't know where do you get that people in Japan are taught to control their emotions, because Japanese fiction is culturally very expressive. You said that stuff in other thread and I tackled it specifically, I guess we didn't come to discuss it in the end. NihilisticLoner said: 2) So? This is fiction. Not reality. The purpose is to be entertaining, not tell a documentary. People in real life go to the bathroom. Why don't we see anime dedicated to that? A lot of people don't have melodramatic backstories. The characters in Angel Beats could've still had tragic, but much more subtle backstories, like struggling with a mental disorder, being poor. But anime ALWAYS takes it to the highest level possible. By putting in rape, murder, child abuse, child rape! Fuck subtletey! anime says. It is an established plot point that the characters in Angel Beats are there after suffering particularly sad and disturbing events when they were alive, it's part of the premise, therefore if you want to call the show forced in that you are getting it wrong for starters. On the other hand, please pick one and also try to make sense with the previous statement. Do you want fiction to match reality, or do you want it to diverge? NihilisticLoner said: 3) Few episodes of screentime. Didn't know much about her other than she has a dog, a dad, and she's happy. That is different than "using kids is cheap", which is what you said. More understandable that way. NihilisticLoner said: WHY did the author choose her to be a little girl? Why couldn't she be an adult? Making tragic child characters instead of tragic adults makes it FAR easier to draw out the feelz from the audience. I felt bad when Hughes died because his personality was just great. Nina? She's every little girl. Because a little girl is innocent and naturally well-intentioned, which displays a bigger contrast with the evil intentions of an adult around her, and which naturally creates a bigger sense of repulsion. Same reason why in real life we are more horrified when a child is murdered or raped than when an adult is, or why we are more shocked when a child shows some genuinely evil and twisted behavior than when an adult does. Because the whole point of the sequence is how innocents can suffer the consequences of the moral corruption associated with alchemy. Because it hits the main characters harder because somebody who did or intended no harm had to suffer through this. Because the main characters themselves lost their mother, who they both idealized, and are particularly sensitive about parent-chidren relationships that go wrong. Because of their own relationship with alchemy and the emotional burden they carry due to that. Because they knew Shou and Nina before and it was very shocking for them to discover this side of Shou and this whole change in the relationship he had with his daughter that it suggested. Because they felt betrayed both in their personal ideals of alchemy and in the confidence they had for Shou. Seriously, stop calling things cheap just by premise. It doesn't work like that. NihilisticLoner said: 4) Well, then I'm autistic. Because I don't feel terrible or cry for fictional characters because they feel bad about other fictional characters. I didn't call you autistic, just to clarify. And I don't know what are you answering here. |
jal90Mar 12, 2018 11:50 AM
Deknijff said: lol posts ratings to try and justify point by relying on flock mentality ANN doesn't lie. You posting 2 reviews also is meaningless honestly. @ZSTGL_IMA could just do the very same but with reviews that fit his opinion just as you have here You can't post something that doesn't exist. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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NihilisticLoner said: Probably the reason no Japanese creator has made an anime/manga about struggling with a mental disorder, is because they're too afraid of talking about other real-life issues. There are tons of works that touch upon mental disorders, like major depressive disorder, PTSD, social anxiety, dissociative identity disorder, schizophrenia, paranoia, and even though it usually isn't outright stated canonically, some characters are speculated to have autism and show traits of it. Not sure where you're getting the idea that Japanese authors don't talk about mental disorders. |
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| @NihilisticLoner Okay, you didn't call Angel Beats forced. You tried however to dismiss its choice when it's not only perfectly justified, it is implemented in the premise. So if you want to base your antagonism on this point in this nitpick, I'll gladly give you that. "Cheap" has a clear negative implication here, in the context of the thread, so if you don't want to follow that implication please tell me beforehand and I won't further discuss. Because "it's easier" is not a negative. Also next time you give me the regurgitated self-victimized shit about ignoring your other points I'm so sick of reading, I straight put you on ignore. You are hitting a nerve here and I'm not going to play your game. |
Chiibi said: I expected low effort but this is even lower than I had anticipated xDDeknijff said: ANN doesn't lie.lol posts ratings to try and justify point by relying on flock mentality You posting 2 reviews also is meaningless honestly. @ZSTGL_IMA could just do the very same but with reviews that fit his opinion just as you have here You can't post something that doesn't exist. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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| I guess it can feel like that in 2 scenarios: 1. For some reason the emotional scenes fell flat for the viewer who still knows the scene was supposed to make him feel bad yet he didn't. 2. The author is trying way too hard to give the feels by throwing every sad thing they can think about (like, arguably, clannad and less arguably elfen lied) and doesn't think about investing the viewer in the story. |
Deknijff said: Chiibi said: I expected low effort but this is even lower than I had anticipated xDANN doesn't lie.You can't post something that doesn't exist. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ To elaborate, I mean you are NOT going to find a person with the mental capacity to intelligently write a positive review on AgK and a negative one on MiA. Is all I'm saying. Because on an objective level, MiA is the superior show in every aspect. Don't PRETEND it isn't. People who know the basics of Writing 101 would recognize this. |
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NihilisticLoner said: Anime/manga that touch upon those disorders do them purely for over dramatic effect. NihilisticLoner said: However, anime always (from my experience) treats these mental disorders as harbingers of normal lives: like if you have a mental disorder, you are fucked. Fite me! Just kidding, please don't -Yuri!!! on Ice has anxiety -Space Brothers has Panic Disorder -3-Gatsu no Lion has depression -Inuyashiki (arguably) has Anti-Social Personality Disorder -Ajin (arguably) has two cases of Antisocial Personality Disorder -Welcome to the NHK (arguably) has social anxiety -Koe no Katachi (arguably) has depression -People have said House of Five Leaves has social anxiety, but it's been too long since I've seen it for me to argue for or against it. -NGE has anxiety -Dive!! (arguably) has anxiety and anorexia (or some other ED) -Kuuchuu Buranko is literally about mental illnesses, holy cow When I say "arguably" I mean it's not confirmed in canon or by creators, but I could provide clear evidence in that a character exhibits behaviors and thought patterns similar to those who have the disorder. There's probably more, this is all I can think of for now. And I know you said to put on your profile, but I was responding to the thread anyway, so *shrug* Some of these you've seen, some of them you've dropped, I'm just saying, just because you haven't noticed and/or it's not up your alley, doesn't mean it's not there. OT: Something that I realized from what Nihil said--over-dramatic reactions. I think soft, broken words are more powerful than loud sobbing and wailing. I mean, yeah, I'll probably bawl along with the characters, but it won't stick with me. What sticks with me more are more the words said than the reactions themselves. |
OfDeathandLoveMar 12, 2018 2:21 PM
 落ちていく涙さえ偽りと引き換えに 言い訳を繰り返して闇を生きる この悲しみの果てにある明日は 怯えてるこの心ただ蒼く染めてく 嘘に塗れた美しき世界で霞ゆく眩しさに 手を伸ばそうと月を仰いだ |
Chiibi said: Sure sure whatever you say To elaborate, I mean you are NOT going to find a person with the mental capacity to intelligently write a positive review on AgK and a negative one on MiA.  Im pretty sure though if one would even bother posting something like that you'd say its unintelligent because it doesn't agree with your stance Chiibi said: I haven't watched MiA so I'm not pretending anything here Is all I'm saying. Because on an objective level, MiA is the superior show in every aspect. Don't PRETEND it isn't. People who know the basics of Writing 101 would recognise this. |
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Deknijff said: Im pretty sure though if one would even bother posting something like that you'd say its unintelligent because it doesn't agree with your stance Uh no. Unlike a LOT of people on here, I am not retarded. >:/ I value a well-written opinion that can provide backup for what it is trying to prove. I haven't watched MiA so I'm not pretending anything here ................................... *bashes head into wall* ..........then stay out of this, maybe? |
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| Oh dear. NihilisticLoner said: jal90 said: Okay, you didn't call Angel Beats forced. You tried however to dismiss its choice when it's not only perfectly justified, it is implemented in the premise. I never criticized Angel Beats for making its characters have tragic backstories. I criticized it for giving its characters melodramatic backstories. Yeah, I see you said melodramatic. Can you tell me what melodramatic means? Because there are two options. You either are correct and mean theatrical and dramatized, which has no correlation with "easy" or "cheap", or you are following the meme definition and calling the show forced and fake. Pick one and we'll talk. NihilisticLoner said: jal90 said: "Cheap" has a clear negative implication here, in the context of the thread I DID mean to use "cheap" negatively. "Cheap", in my book, means easy in a bad way. And I haven't fully understood the nature of this "bad" way. So tell me please. NihilisticLoner said: jal90 said: so if you don't want to follow that implication please tell me beforehand and I won't further discuss Wait...are you saying you wrote half an essay's worth of a post, with the purpose of replying ONLY to the part where I used the word, "cheap"? Are you going to stop fucking projecting on every phrase I say? NihilisticLoner said: jal90 said: Also next time you give me the regurgitated self-victimized shit I am not victimizing. I am calling out on your bullshit, on you having (BEFORE) attempting to argue with someone while purposely ignoring their arguments. So you are on the attacking side then? Fine. Show me when. NihilisticLoner said: jal90 said: ignoring your other points I'm so sick of reading Ah, but you weren't sick of reading 90% of my essay-long post. Bias? Or are you just desperate to cover up your cheap tactic of ignoring what I said, to give yourself an upper hand? Keep projecting. Also, excellent way to decontextualize what I say here by fragmenting the quote. Too bad that people can read the original posts here. NihilisticLoner said: jal90 said: I straight put you on ignore Nobody has any business in deciding who you put on ignore or not, so go ahead. Don't worry, I can go on for a bit longer. NihilisticLoner said: jal90 said: You are hitting a nerve here and I'm not going to play your game. Hypocrisy. I played no game. I adressed literally EVERYTHING you have said, just as I do with everyone else. But YOU purposely ignored key things I said to give yourself an upperhand in the argument. Oh sure, you play no game: -You tell me that I ignore arguments when all you told me is "apples to oranges" to my first quote, and when you completely deny the weight of my whole argumentation about the case of Nina based on a single little point of that quote where you, in your imagination, interpret that I'm reinforcing the validity of your point, when the rest of the post and also that one is specifically against your interpretation. I didn't say it was "easier". I said it created an emotional scenario that made the scene more impactful for both the characters and the viewer, because there is an added theme of innocence and vulnerability. -You tell me that I ignore arguments when I answered specifically everything I quoted. -You tell me that I ignore your arguments in purpose because I want to low-key win an argument and make you look bad and whatever victimized shit you make up for yourself instead of assuming that maybe I didn't notice, maybe you didn't word, or maybe I didn't want to tackle specific points of your post because I don't discuss with you to prove you overall wrong but to confront specific ideas and viewpoints that stem from your larger essay posts. -You answer me stuff that is completely unrelated ("Well, then I'm autistic" oh yeah, you weren't victimizing yourself I guess) while fully dodging what I say there (which is that your statement can't be taken as an absolute and you have to observe context). -And now you are talking about some shit in past discussions I don't know or give a fuck about, or some personal beef you have with me that I couldn't care less for. If you want to appear as the most self-absorbed, passive-aggressive and moronic manchild I've encountered on the internet you are doing a great job. |
jal90Mar 12, 2018 1:38 PM
| The Winner for most manipulation of viewer's emotions? CLANNAD AFTER STORY I mean Jesus Christ...I still don't understand how people found this shit to be a masterpiece. It's overly-dramatic, FORCES the audience to feel sad....like every fucking episode! And at the end....it was all magic?! WHAT?! |
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Chiibi said: I don't really feel like staying out of it when you're just saying stupid shit on AGK honestly I haven't watched MiA so I'm not pretending anything here ...................................*bashes head into wall* ..........then stay out of this, maybe? But you shouldn't have a problem with me commenting here since I haven't comment or said anything directly about MiA and never said one is better than the other and just commented your arguments are weak such as posting 2 random reviews and posting ratings to justify your opinion being objective by relying on strength in numbers --ALEX-- said: You be trying to ruin a perfectly good picture Alex I know it's off topic....but I LOVE this picture because of the scene and what Momo does to Nana. and you saying After Story forced you into feels? Mind posting a picture of your eyes from the event so I can confirm if it was rape or if you're just being tsun?  |
DeknijffMar 12, 2018 1:36 PM
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Deknijff said: I don't really feel like staying out of it when you're just saying stupid shit on AGK honestly "Stupid shit"? I watched the show and found it very disappointing. I retract nothing. It is not well-written or well executed and the characters are not fleshed out and just die when plot demands it. They are not "two random reviews" they are "reviews by people who have seen a LOT of anime and have been reviewing them as an actual job." They are detailed and analyze all low points and high points. They do a HELL of a lot better job than 90% of the reviewers on MAL, at least. Including myself. |
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Chiibi said: Well sorry you felt disappointed. I too felt slightly disappointed by the anime since it removed the rape from the manga and killed off both my ships "Stupid shit"? I watched the show and found it very disappointing. I retract nothing. It is not well-written or well executed and the characters are not fleshed out and just die when plot demands it. |
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Deknijff said: Chiibi said: Well sorry you felt disappointed. I too felt slightly disappointed by the anime since it removed the rape from the manga and killed off both my ships "Stupid shit"? I watched the show and found it very disappointing. I retract nothing. It is not well-written or well executed and the characters are not fleshed out and just die when plot demands it. If it REMOVED rape, I'd say that's an improvement. XD Sorry about your ships. But at least you have the manga version. |
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| @Lunafleurette gurl if you got the time, grab some popcorn and go through this entire thread. A+ entertainment right here. |
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| I cried over Clannad After Story because I was sad my favorite loli died. |
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| @NihilisticLoner Glad that we are coming to better terms here. My complaints are only as a reaction to yours, that is, I'm fine if you just quote a paragraph to say that it's apples to oranges but I found it funny that you were so aggressive telling me that I ignore points on purpose and then basically dismissed my paragraph with a one-liner and didn't put in context. Either way I don't agree with your appreciation there because the specific example is not what matters, but rather, that in emotionally investing and stressful situations people lose their temper and don't act perfectly balanced. Regarding your decontextualization: when you quote this fragment like that, it looks like I'm telling you that I ignore your other points in the discussion because I'm sick of reading. What I'm fed up with is the attitude of creating a shield of toxic counter-reaction where one of the parts plays the victim role and the other is suddenly put in a situation of having to answer to accusations. This is not how discussions should go and it's not just you, I can't bring myself to feed any interaction that goes like that. Justifying myself for stuff I never intended puts me in an awkward position in a discussion and I'm insecure enough about my wording to add more unnecessary pressure. If you didn't intend to refer to my past attitudes, that's a bit of wrong interpretation on my part, and I'm glad it is. I just thought that when you said this: NihilisticLoner said: I am not victimizing. I am calling out on your bullshit, on you having (BEFORE) attempting to argue with someone while purposely ignoring their arguments. You meant exactly what I'm reading here, that my so-called attitude of ignoring arguments on purpose happened before. If you didn't then I'm so glad because that's some huge and nasty controversy we don't need to get into. It seems we don't agree on the final verdict of how things are made easier, or easier in a certain bad way we are clearly not sharing the wavelength well enough to understand each other on. It's fine and all. But again, to restate my point, Nina being a child doesn't make the emotional reaction "easier", not in a way that cheapened the moment at least, but it adds elements. Caring more for a child in this circumstance is natural because they are seen as more innocent and vulnerable people, my point being that these elements factor in to build the overall emotional response. They are not there to make it easier, but more complex and impactful, and arguably a different kind of. So, here it goes. Hope everything's set and we can either be back to normal or politely agree to disagree. |
jal90Mar 12, 2018 5:26 PM
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