| I think this question is meant to elicit a certain feeling of contempt to perceived elitists. When in reality, "intelligent" is a largely subjective term. While I won't deny the presence of pretentious fans or even pretentious anime, I think your question is naive. This isn't an unique problem, with any sizable medium, pretentiousness rears it's ugly head. In fact, I take back my statement, I just think you are looking to affirm forgone conclusions in head, which is troublesome, why ask a question you don't want an answer to? I could chalk it up to baiting but then i'd be doing what you are doing and i'm not one for hypocrisy. |
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| They are too retarded to read actually challenging books so they want to wave their e-penis by pretending to be some sort of anime critic. |
| I've never understood this, why isn't it an option to think about what you're watching while cutting loose and having fun? There's nothing inherently wrong with liking philosophical shows, and there's nothing inherently wrong with liking harems. Generally for me, how much I enjoy an anime depends on how much thought and passion the ones making it put into it. In terms of art, I love the slightly unsettling atmosphere of Serial Experiments Lain, but I also love the colorful, over-the-top animation of Flip Flappers. In terms of story, I love the tragedy of Madoka Magica, but I also love the silly comedy of Heaven's Lost Property. The respective staffs of all of those shows clearly put their hearts into what they were making, so I enjoyed the product of that passion. Conversely, plot holes and inconsistencies get under my skin not because of some arbitrary IQ number, but because it signals to me that the staff didn't care enough to think about those details. I do agree in one sense, though. Elitists are terrible to be around, and IQ is pretty much irrelevant to one's taste in fiction. |
Shoegum said: This is Digibro's opinion... He isn't god, you know?I was informed by Lord Master Digibro that objectivity doesn't exist, and therefore no anime can be "objectively good". My explanation would ultimately be less lucid and comprehensive than his, so I shall post my his video here in place of it: Now I have posted this video there is no way that you will be able to argue against me. I actually like Digibro's videos and I think he puts a lot of effort on them but... As I said, he doesn't always has to handle the thruth. (Me either, but the deal is you're treating a youtuber's opinion as a fact) |
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| While this post reeks of sarcasm and bait, I do ultimately think that the statement that people should be able to say something is good so long as they like it is true(I would even argue that it's the only way to know what's good for you). Although, I guess this too is also a point of this excellent thread. :D |
| Wtf is this thread ? Has intelligence really have something to do with watching intelligent,artsy anime ? And btw wtf is "intelligent" anime ? Do you mean psychological genre? |
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| Most people here can't understand the beauty of 2deep4me shows and that's really depressing. |
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| People want to watch "intelligent" anime once in a while. |
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| WTF do you mean by "intelligent" anime? Surely that in itself is subjective, what you consider "intelligent" may or may not be the same as what I would consider intelligent. IDK about this "intelligent" anime but I love psychological anime, psycho pass steins gate etc (idk look at my list). I love it for being fast paced, exciting and interesting and yeah sure I enjoy it when there's a twist or something that employs my brain, but I wouldn't necessary call the whole psychological genre cerebral or anything. Just like you have your favourite genres so do other people - like you could have entitled the thread - omg why do some ppl love moe - or sci fi or meccha. Why does anyone like anything ffs? IDK this thread is stupid and redundant and I've still answered it, well I am pretty bored I guess, so yeah gr8 b8 m8 - when are you back at school? |
SuzuMine-chan said: Shoegum said: This is Digibro's opinion... He isn't god, you know?I was informed by Lord Master Digibro that objectivity doesn't exist, and therefore no anime can be "objectively good". My explanation would ultimately be less lucid and comprehensive than his, so I shall post my his video here in place of it: Now I have posted this video there is no way that you will be able to argue against me. I actually like Digibro's videos and I think he puts a lot of effort on them but... As I said, he doesn't always has to handle the thruth. (Me either, but the deal is you're treating a youtuber's opinion as a fact) What he said in that video IS right though. |
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| there are some anime that are so silly they are borderline cartoons forexample Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn There are times when you are okay watching such shows and other times you want to watch anime not aimed at children ages 5-10 |
Kittens-kun said: Yes, it's completelly right but that doesn't mean that his videos has to be taken as fact. He's just a youtuber and, even if I totally agree with what he's saying, it's still just his opinion. A 100% justified opinion, but still an opinion.SuzuMine-chan said: This is Digibro's opinion... He isn't god, you know? I actually like Digibro's videos and I think he puts a lot of effort on them but... As I said, he doesn't always has to handle the thruth. (Me either, but the deal is you're treating a youtuber's opinion as a fact) What he said in that video IS right though. |
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| Because it's a way for dumb people to feel smart... Heh |
I'm a shitposter for fun |
| I can think of 2 reasons: 1.So they can claim they have superior taste to anyone who enjoys "stupid" and "generic" anime. 2.Because they genuinely can't enjoy watching stuff like Fairy Tail and Highschool DxD. Which is perfectly fine. Or it's a combination of both. |
| Maybe because they want to? Not everyone is capable of holding every moment of SAO since its a really demanding show |
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| Seeking 'intelligent' anime doesn't make you pretentious. Bashing everyone else's taste does. I seek intelligent shows because I like things that aren't stupid and boring. What is stupid to me may not be stupid to others, and vice-versa, but your assertion that "Nobody really likes intelligent plots" is wildly unfounded and laughably paranoid. Believe it or not, something intelligent can actually be a lot more interesting than something generic. I will say that while you are certainly entitled to enjoy harem shows with one-dimensional characters and express your opinion that they are good, that opinion is going to be a whole lot less interesting and convincing if you don't have any legitimate reasons for its quality beyond, "I like it, so it's good." Criticism exists for a reason, you know. |
| "Bang." -Spike Spiegal "Everything... is connected." -Lain Iwakura "Life is too short to watch bad anime. Long Live the 1st Episode Drop." -InkSpider "Anime fans make me embarrassed to be an anime fan." -InkSpider |
| When you like something then IT IS GOOD. that is how life and the universe works |
You know that some people like bestiality and drinking themselves into a stupor, right? Maybe think this through a little more? |
| "Bang." -Spike Spiegal "Everything... is connected." -Lain Iwakura "Life is too short to watch bad anime. Long Live the 1st Episode Drop." -InkSpider "Anime fans make me embarrassed to be an anime fan." -InkSpider |
| serial experiment lain is a show with a very simple and basic story, but they make it difficult to understand with those strange scenes (I mean the alien), most feel anime experts or more intelligent to understand that basic story |
| The truly intelligent person is one who can pretend to be a fool in front of a fool who pretends to be intelligent. |
InkSpider said: You know that some people like bestiality and drinking themselves into a stupor, right? Maybe think this through a little more? When someone else likes something it doesnt mean its good. when you like something then its good. I dont know if you get my point. Let me use myself as a reference If I like a show then its good because I am the only one that matters in this life and my own personal opinion is the basis of good Everyone elses opinion is not supposed to change what I like Everyone elses opinion at that point is just a description of that something. . Like if i like a girl then she is good whatever anyone says is irrelevant even if its correct. Like if they say she has big eyes, she stutters etc they are just describing her at this point because I already like her. hahaha i went philosophical. I need to go sleep Drinking is good you should try it |
kisb said: InkSpider said: You know that some people like bestiality and drinking themselves into a stupor, right? Maybe think this through a little more? When someone else likes something it doesnt mean its good. when you like something then its good. I dont know if you get my point. Let me use myself as a reference If I like a show then its good because I am the only one that matters in this life and my own personal opinion is the basis of good Everyone elses opinion is not supposed to change what I like Everyone elses opinion at that point is just a description of that something. . Like if i like a girl then she is good whatever anyone says is irrelevant even if its correct. Like if they say she has big eyes, she stutters etc they are just describing her at this point because I already like her. hahaha i went philosophical. I need to go sleep Drinking is good you should try it I think I get what you're saying, mostly, but it kind of sounds like you're invalidating everyone else's opinion. I'm not really in favor of that. People are entitled to like what they like (provided they're not doing any harm, as in the facetious examples I provided above) but when someone's opinion of an anime is founded in specific details about that anime, then I'm far more likely to listen to and consider what they're saying, even if I don't ultimately change how I view that work. Let's consider, say, Naruto, for example. I don't particularly care for Naruto. I don't think it's the worst thing ever made, but I don't think it's a very good show. Now, let's say I encounter two Naruto fans. The first says to me, "OMG, Naruto is the best show ever and if you don't think so you're just an elitist hipster!" The second says to me, "I like Naruto for its inventive fight scenes and striking character designs, as well as the unique coming-of-age story told through Naruto's character arc." The second fan is going to be a lot more interesting to talk to, and they might actually bring up some points I haven't considered during my viewing of Naruto, which might even move me to reconsider my stance on the show. The anime community tends to be very vitriolic and close-minded when it comes to outside opinions, and that's a pity. There's nothing wrong with having an opinion, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to shut out everyone else's opinion off the bat. All that does is lead to having no one to talk to. |
| "Bang." -Spike Spiegal "Everything... is connected." -Lain Iwakura "Life is too short to watch bad anime. Long Live the 1st Episode Drop." -InkSpider "Anime fans make me embarrassed to be an anime fan." -InkSpider |
| I've had a moment where I tried to watch only these 'intelligent' series, but I couldn't do it because there's a time where you should watch these series. There not good for only watching them one after another. Especially if they have a lot to do with thinking. I like to turn off my brain when I watch series, so a lot of these don't do well with me. |
| to deconstruct the global elite establishment that is mainly created by intelligent people who think they know how humans should live objectively. It's kind of ironic, but I think most anime "elitists" are actually against the real life elites way-of-life, that is why they like stories with post-modern elements. The reason anime "elitists" have qualms with "casual" fans is not that they are against their values of simplistic pleasures (like sex or moe), but it is because the medium itself (internet, computer) is directly in opposition to obtaining these pleasures in complete organic form. Basically, anime elitists dont want half-measure pleasures, and think, "well why cant I have this fulfillment in it's most organic form?". And this is where the global elite come in, because most of them are in control of our organic pleasures and re-calibrating them to fit in an electronic medium, and this is what anime "elitists" dislike. Or that is what I dislike. |
| uhh i didnt read all your wall of text but different people can have different meaning of intelligent anime/manga (wait i dont even get what intelligent anime means tbh) lol my list is filled with harems and kids shows and i think they are intellectual stuff ;p |
foscor70Jan 3, 2018 11:57 PM
| @Shoegum, your original post is making the assumption that people who watch "intelligent" anime do it to feel superior or such, but have you ever considered that's just what some people prefer to watch? Whether or not you like watching shows like Pokemon or watching shows like Death Note, we should respect each other's tastes and not put each other down. :) |
| Maybe that is because its what they like ? I don't know, i have lots of difficulties to watch dumb ecchi animes for example, so i guess some people are really strict, and there is no problem to that. |
| Do you think people want to watch an anime with a dumbshit plot? Don't kidding me. |
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| The only anime in my top 10 which I rated highly for primarily the intelligence in it is Hunter X Hunter (2011). Rest are there for different reasons. Generally I noticed fans wanting to see intelligent anime because they want to feel having accomplished something. I don't mind shutting my brain out and watch an anime if I find it cute, funny or just simple. You basically watch anime for enjoyment. Some people find it through watching anime they think are intelligent and there's nothing wrong in that. That's not to say some anime that are considered intelligent by others turned out to be utter garbage to me. I am not gonna name any anime I found garbage. So, all I want to say is that it all comes down to one's preference. |
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Shoegum said: In this website, there are still people who specifically go out of their way to search for "intelligent", "artsy", (pretentious) anime, shunning the "stupid" and "generic" anime. It makes me wonder: how can people be such conceited assholes? Do they really believe that their taste is better than other people's? Do they really think that there are some anime with more inherent artistic value than others? Do they not know that all criticism is subjective and doesn't actually mean anything? It just baffles me how people can be so self-important and completely disregard the feelings of us normal anime fans. If we want to watch "generic" harem shows with "one-dimensional" characters, we shouldn't be made to feel as if we have worse taste or that we are less intelligent for doing so. People should be able to watch whatever they want and call it good, as long as they like it. So, it begs the question: why are there people in this community who still go out looking for specifically "intelligent" anime? For me, it seems to be only because they're pretentious and want to boost their fragile egos. But what are your thoughts? Share them down below. EDIT: And another thing to add: Why do people even watch intelligent anime at all? If only they turned their brains off and stopped criticising everything, then they'd realise that Fairy Tail and Highschool DxD are just as enjoyable as their 'Legend of the (Gay) Heroes' or whatever. But no, they nitpick everything because they want to appear smart to everyone else, and they're forced to watch boring old shows with shit animation just because they have "smarter" plots. No-one actually enjoys smart plots, they just pretend to. For so much talk about "elitists", I've never actually met one. Also the same way you don't want to feel "less intelligent or having worse taste" for watching "not-intelligent" anime, people don't want to be called "conceited a**holes" for watching "intelligent" anime. |
| I have no idea why anybody would want to do that. All I know is that I don't want to watch exclusively stupid anime. It all depends on my mood, and either extreme is equally silly here. |
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mramirez96 said: Is their tastes. Is like ask why most people want to just watch mainstream anime. Seriously, we should have dig more of Kleferi's old threads, rather than this bunch of pretentious shits. |
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| I don't really care if Anime is "intelligent" or not. I just want to watch something entertaining. Watching Anime for me is escapism. If I wanted to watch something extremely serious I can just turn on the history channel. If you ask me I have no idea why some people are uptight about Anime where they have to always watch something "specific". But it seems you have already answered your own question since you seem to believe it's because they are pretentious and want to boost their fragile egos. |
ColourWheelDec 31, 2021 4:56 AM
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| I can't say why, but I know that being too serious is small dick energy. |
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| Maybe people just like certain things and don't like other things. It's wild, I know. |
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