| I doubt this will go anywhere. Still, where do they think the international interest in anime/manga comes from? There would be a decidedly smaller international interest in the medium if it weren't for these sites. They're not losing money because they wouldn't have ever gotten it in the first place. (To be honest, they're probably making more money than they would without these sites, as many international fans do end up buying the Blu-Rays/DVDs.) As for why more people don't buy: others have already stated why in this thread. Many, many anime/manga are never localized, and therefore there is no "legitimate" way to watch/read these. As for those that are localized, in my experience they tend to be incredibly expensive. Only the die-hard fans are going to pay out the wazoo for Blu-Rays, as far as I see it. I'd be interested in seeing more official streaming websites with video ads, rather than a requirement to s**** out cash. That way, Japan still benefits and the international fans that couldn't/wouldn't pay for the show still get to watch it. It's not like nobody wants to help out (which makes this move seem all the more douchey). |
| Good move japan, but i don't think its gonna work well. |
| Back when megaupload and a few other uploading sites closed down it affected us a little bit when it happened , but within a month new sites popped up that replaced those sites and we moved on like nothing happened. This will be a futile attempt and will bear no fruits. |
| Pffffrt. Good luck taking down sites with servers in China. tsubasalover said: And anyone with right mind will gladly put those in spam folder.On August 1, the government will start simultaneously sending requests to delete illegal anime and manga contents to the operators of the 580 foreign pirate sites which they have found. In addition, the operation will launch a new site to guide the fans to a legitimate site offering some 250 titles including the latest ones at a cost of several hundred yen. Seriously, Japan, waste your money in smarter way. For example by making more Jinrui. |
ProgeuszJul 29, 2014 10:57 AM
| Why do we think so poorly of the Chinese sites? Youku and Tudou did enforce copyright, no? Obviously not every site will do it, but it does work on big sites. Not to mention that Chinese's anime simulcast are all FREE. (Not like CR). Legit and fully licensed. Taking down the illegal sites are not an issue for general anime streamers. However, manga sites may be a different matter that I'm not going to comment about. |
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TripleSRank said: I doubt this will go anywhere. Still, where do they think the international interest in anime/manga comes from? There would be a decidedly smaller international interest in the medium if it weren't for these sites. They're not losing money because they wouldn't have ever gotten it in the first place. (To be honest, they're probably making more money than they would without these sites, as many international fans do end up buying the Blu-Rays/DVDs.) As for why more people don't buy: others have already stated why in this thread. Many, many anime/manga are never localized, and therefore there is no "legitimate" way to watch/read these. As for those that are localized, in my experience they tend to be incredibly expensive. Only the die-hard fans are going to pay out the wazoo for Blu-Rays, as far as I see it. I'd be interested in seeing more official streaming websites with video ads, rather than a requirement to s**** out cash. That way, Japan still benefits and the international fans that couldn't/wouldn't pay for the show still get to watch it. It's not like nobody wants to help out (which makes this move seem all the more douchey). My thoughts exactly. |
tsubasalover said: The Cultural Affairs Agency estimates the loss caused by the Chinese pirate sites last year was amounted to at least 560 billion yen (about US$ 5.5 billion). Most likely using the terrible anti piracy defense that something downloaded = a lost sale as if everyone downloads things they planned to purchase anyway. |
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| Yeah, without sites like those, I wouldn't have known and bought many series. |
Behemoth11 said: Yeah, without sites like those, I wouldn't have known and bought many series. Right? If it weren't for a lot of streaming sites (which is where I first started watching some of my now favorite series) then I wouldn't of bought some of the merchandise and what not that directly profits the creators. This is silly. |
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| I'd like to say good luck and all, but seriously it's their own damn fault for making it so difficult to acquire their exports legally. If they really want to halt or slow piracy then they should release manga simultaneously on the web. As for anime they really need to get their shit together when it comes to copyright content. Studios like Toei for example should sell all their anime as a package instead of bits and pieces, not to mention having things like OP/ED not being part of the contract is fucking stupid. The Japanese anime industry is a bureaucratic mess that needs some serious clean up. It's no wonder few western studios want to bother importing anime when they have such a counterproductive system. It needs to be way more straight forward and inclusive. Crunchyroll has the right idea. In all seriousness though, I laugh every time I see a country try and police the internet. It's near impossible, you can't just close Pandora's box once it has been open. If the U.S. has tried and failed for years, how well does Japan expect to do with this. Honestly they are just wasting time and money. |
FullmetalRaikouJul 29, 2014 11:20 AM
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| Seems like another futile effort to counter piracy. The streaming sites do provide them a bigger fanbase on their products so i'm not sure how it would work out if they managed to pull it of somehow. |
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kagakiri said: Perhaps there wouldn't be so much piracy if they didn't charge astronomical prices for a BD with 2 episodes on it. My thoughts exactly. |
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Fullmetal89 said: Is buying a membership on CR hard? No. Do people still watch HorribleSubs? Yes. Why? Is this Japan's fault?I'd like to say good luck and all, but seriously it's their own damn fault for making it so difficult to acquire their exports legally. Fullmetal89 said: Even if manga's on Jump are simultaneously on the web, I would still not read them. Why? Because it is leaked EVERY week. I can read illegal translation 6 days before. There is another whole problem to the manga situation.If they really want to halt or slow piracy then they should release manga simultaneously on the web. |
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| Well it's not my fault Sweden doesn't have legal sites Japan well we got Crunchyroll in Sweden but they don't except my credit card so sorry but can't you be satisfied with me trying to buy as much stuff as possible. I just wanna be able to watch the latest stuff so sorry. Also can someone please tell me how they can get that high a number on lost money how do you count how much money you lose by pirating. |
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Shih said: Fullmetal89 said: Is buying a membership on CR hard? No. Do people still watch HorribleSubs? Yes. Why? Is this Japan's fault?I'd like to say good luck and all, but seriously it's their own damn fault for making it so difficult to acquire their exports legally. Fullmetal89 said: Even if manga's on Jump are simultaneously on the web, I would still not read them. Why? Because it is leaked EVERY week. I can read illegal translation 6 days before. There is another whole problem to the manga situation.If they really want to halt or slow piracy then they should release manga simultaneously on the web. That's a fair point, but a website like CR would do more good to the industry then what they are trying to do. I know a lot of people that watch anime and are members of CR; my sister has been a member since the membership became available. They prefer CR because they don't trust torrents and they aren't very tech savvy; they just simply want to watch anime. It would be the same thing if JUMP released on the web a day or two after the physical copies. If there was a legit way to read an entire issue for a reasonable price on a website with an easy-to-use UI like CR; people would pay. It might not be extremely profitable, piracy will still be an issue like it is with everything else. It would however, at least offer a viable alternative for those that want to read/watch legitimately. What I'm trying to get at is that they are going about this the wrong way. Force will not solve the problem, it will only make it worst. Like other posters have said, take one website down, five more will take it's place. Not only that but they will foster a sentiment of animosity towards foreign viewers who have pirated content but often buy BD/DVD/Manga legitimately to support the industry. Not excusing piracy but it's often the only way to enjoy manga/anime since there's no other real alternative. |
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For people thinking our sites are safe... this is the country breakdown for Nyaa on Alexa. I'm pretty sure they're going to make a site like that a priority to get rid of. |
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RyanSaotome said: For people thinking our sites are safe... this is the country breakdown for Nyaa on Alexa. I'm pretty sure they're going to make a site like that a priority to get rid of. The Japanese Animation Apocalypse is here. Fuck, you'd think that site is frequented by Westerners for the most part. |
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| Western markets have tried to prevent piracy for years, has it gotten anywhere? nope. If anything, DRM and threats have actually fueled piracy. |
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| They can't do shit. Just look at HorribleSubs, they've been ripping from Crunchy for 5 years by now and they weren't able to do shit about it because they use proxies for their severs, and most of the people who does this kind of thing use proxies if they want to play it safe. Can't close/forbid something you can't track, it's as simple as that. |
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| Why is it that no one seems to understand that trying to stop piracy is futile. Even if they somehow managed to down the entire internet, it'll still go on. That's how strong it's become. If Japan is doing this because of loss of money, then they're practically shooting their own foot. Shih said: Fullmetal89 said: Is buying a membership on CR hard? No. Do people still watch HorribleSubs? Yes. Why? Is this Japan's fault?.I'd like to say good luck and all, but seriously it's their own damn fault for making it so difficult to acquire their exports legally. Fuck it if I'm gonna pay those bastards full price for less than half their shit. See, there's the problem with CR (and other legal sites). Region locks and those region-locks don't influence the subscription, do they? |
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Hoppy said: RyanSaotome said: For people thinking our sites are safe... this is the country breakdown for Nyaa on Alexa. I'm pretty sure they're going to make a site like that a priority to get rid of. The Japanese Animation Apocalypse is here. Fuck, you'd think that site is frequented by Westerners for the most part. Most Japanese still use driect P2P the gvoment ried to combat that and failed |
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FGAU1912 said: Hoppy said: The Japanese Animation Apocalypse is here. Fuck, you'd think that site is frequented by Westerners for the most part. Most Japanese still use driect P2P the gvoment ried to combat that and failed They do but that's because they were using foreign sites with servers not located in Japan in the first place, for this they'd need to use sites with servers not located in China or Japan or better only sites that have more Western traffic and they'd have to be smaller and under the radar. |
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| Well, the site I'm watching anime on is based in Switzerland so I doubt it'll affect it. hybreezy said: tsubasalover said: The Cultural Affairs Agency estimates the loss caused by the Chinese pirate sites last year was amounted to at least 560 billion yen (about US$ 5.5 billion). Most likely using the terrible anti piracy defense that something downloaded = a lost sale as if everyone downloads things they planned to purchase anyway. Yeah, those numbers are laughable. I'd estimate that about 0,5 - 1 % (if not less) of the shows that are watched like that, would actually have been bought if there was no way to watch them for free. Additonally, I'd say people buy about 2 - 5 % of the shows they've watched illegally before. A realistic estimate would probably be about 7 - 10 % of the 560 billion yen. |
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| So this really won't affect anything, not like they could stop it anyways. The manga & anime industry heavily depends on the promotion of illegal streaming & viewing sites and it's gonna be that way for a long time. I dunno why I had the thought maybe CNN triggered something, they prolly didn't. Those bastards. Anyways as long as I can read manga and watch anime I'll be good. |
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| Shit,this is a bad news no matter how people look at it. I understand why Japan do that,but still...... |
| good. They usually don't go after the Quality sites, its usually the trash that try to scam people and sell fansubbed anime. may they all burn |
Rachmaninow said: Yeah, good luck with that, Japan. I'm sure China will give lots and lots of fucks Well, I guess there's no more anime for anyone xD jk jk That won't go forward for to much time. |
| Whoa there. I am alright with it as long as au doesn't go down. Anyways, piracy can hardly be controlled. For it to disappear completely, a counterattack against proxy sites is necessary and as far as I know, there's no such thing to exist. |
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| Whatever it is I totally fuckin hate this stupidshit news....-_- |
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| This isn't going to do anything + people are only going to get pissed off if they take down 図書館 and Nyaa imo. |
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| This made me laugh. |
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| Well, bollocks. While the government has started supporting the genre as one of their important cultural exports With content and standard of most anime and manga, some culture you have there... |
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| Welp, I have no idea how to react to that. |
| I just hope none of the big manga sites are targetted. If they do, it'll severely fuck up all the manga apps on iOS/Android. |
| No matter what, they still can't stop us, we number in MILLIONS. #Squad. |
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| Does this includes manga as well? |
keragamming said: Does this includes manga as well? Yep |
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Hoppy said: keragamming said: Does this includes manga as well? Yep Damn! That means the site, I get early spoilers from will be in trouble. Well, I do have Crunchy roll though. |
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