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May 16, 2014 12:56 PM

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Loli incest kiss makes this show 10 times better

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May 16, 2014 1:03 PM

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Omg, skyrim reference, loool xD

Again, a very entertaining episode, if you don't take everything too seriously ;-)
Also, that game seemed very fun^^ Too bad we can't have it :-(
And lol'ed at that 'no nipples, no vaginas, nude' part^^ Though I find it hard to believe that the imouto had no problem with it ;-)
May 16, 2014 1:15 PM
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AllTJAck said:
Caleb8980 said:


Hmm? You are kinda mixing things a bit up here.

Warning: Do not open the spoiler if you have zero interest in physics ^^








Takuan_Soho said:






EDIT: Also that spoiler forest slowly but surely gets irritating xD
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May 16, 2014 1:28 PM

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Uber_Dewber said:
Okay, this episode has officially won me over. Sticking with this series until the end, that was ABSOLUTELY epic. By the way, what's up with all these people nit-picking the crap outta this anime just because they didn't like something about it? It's entertaining, go be a negative-nancy elsewhere!


its called criticism and probably just looks that way cause MAL is totally losing its shit over a pretty standard flawed LN show that happens to have some solid production values again.
May 16, 2014 1:43 PM
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Kaioshin_Sama said:
its called criticism and probably just looks that way cause MAL is totally losing its shit over a pretty standard flawed LN show that happens to have some solid production values again.


Uhm, stating your opinion on something doesn't make it criticism. Also, just because you don't like something doesn't make it a "flaw".

So far all you have said is that you hate it because its wish-fulfillment and neet glorification. That is opinion, which even if true (which it isn't), wouldn't be a flaw.
May 16, 2014 1:48 PM

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Takuan_Soho said:
Kaioshin_Sama said:
its called criticism and probably just looks that way cause MAL is totally losing its shit over a pretty standard flawed LN show that happens to have some solid production values again.


Uhm, stating your opinion on something doesn't make it criticism. Also, just because you don't like something doesn't make it a "flaw".

So far all you have said is that you hate it because its wish-fulfillment and neet glorification. That is opinion, which even if true (which it isn't), wouldn't be a flaw.


I don't ever remember saying I hate it. Wow man how do you consistently post stuff like this and what's with these forums in general sometimes. I feel like I've made plenty of criticisms but people just always ignore them on MAL and don't seem to actually ever read what others posts so whatever lol. People are going to lose their shit over this show every week now regardless of what happens cause its a community bandwagon hype thing so I don't see what people care if one or two people don't exactly parrot the shows perceived qualities back at them and have opinions of their own. MAL should try my approach more, it might actually make for a rare actually discussion other than "Hurr epic lolz".

Anyway just one more time to clarify here are some ups and downs for the show:

+ Excellent art quality
+ Interesting use of music
+ Some amusing one liners
- One dimensional underdeveloped and unlikable cast
- Flawed game logic with too loose rules that often rely on having to have an opponent make a far fetched series of mistakes and avoiding an easy winning move to have heroes succeed
+/- Sometimes kind of titillating but sometimes gross and unwelcome fanservice

If people disagree fine but to now say once more I haven't pointed anything out or am just hating is laughable.
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Yes, best episode indeed. This anime is utterly amazing.
5/5
May 16, 2014 2:01 PM
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Kaioshin_Sama said:
I don't ever remember saying I hate it. Wow man how do consistently post stuff like this and what's with these forums in general sometimes. I feel like I've made plenty of criticisms but people just always ignore them on MAL and don't seem to actually ever read what others posts so whatever lol


Wow, Mr. Beam talking about the Mote!

No you don't hate it, you just feel compelled to post the same whining about this show post after post, thread after thread, similar to how you made the same post after post thread after thread about how fanboys always bought Shaft/Kyoani, but you didn't hate them either.

Actually, I would respect you more if you hated either, but you don't even have the courage of your convictions.

So, lets start again, outside of neet glorification and wish fulfillment, what are your complaints about this show? Or are you going to pick up your ball and go home?
May 16, 2014 3:34 PM

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I think i've watched every episode about 3 or 4 times just cause. lol. I love the anime and light novel so much :D

Think i'm gonna reread volumes 1 to 3 chapter 3. (Chapter 4 and epilogue aren't subbed yet).

May 16, 2014 3:50 PM

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They actually made a Skyrim joke reference, liking the show more! xD

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May 16, 2014 4:47 PM

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KumaKing said:
The game they played in this episode got so freaking intense.

I knew shit was about to go down the minute Sora started the game with the hydrogen bomb lol

And then it ended with the HYPER NOVA that was so awesome

This episode Sora did a

"Omega Good Job!" -Shiro 2014

THIS!

but that nude stuff fanservice (showing a naked child) was unecessary and too much. i mean, i dont mind the kissing scene wich was made because of exchanging air to breath or neary naked women or breasts of them, but naked childs is wax too much.
May 16, 2014 4:50 PM

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Madara31 said:
Great episode, that was probably the most epic game of anything I've ever seen, and Jibril was awesome.

I can't believe they made an arrow to the knee joke though, Lol. I thought the world had escaped from that meme.

yeah. it beats Jumanji. xD but playing Jumanji could kill you for real. *lol
May 16, 2014 6:11 PM
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Kaioshin_Sama said:

- One dimensional underdeveloped and unlikable cast
- Flawed game logic with too loose rules that often rely on having to have an opponent make a far fetched series of mistakes and avoiding an easy winning move to have heroes succeed
+/- Sometimes kind of titillating but sometimes gross and unwelcome fanservice


Again, those are opinions, not criticisms. Criticisms are "whys" and "whats" not "cuz". Why do you think that Sora is one dimensional, or Steph, or even Shiro. What about them would you want to know more about? What is it about the games that are illogical (or flawed) and where could the opponent make mistakes or avoided easy winning moves.

Other people have provided reasons, though for the most part they have been refuted. The chess game was logical, and no kurumi couldn't have done something different without violating the worldview this story has created. Same with this episode. Jibiril never considered Sora a threat until the second to last of his statements (and even then she didn't consider him a threat, but she did respect him), her ending the game sooner would have been boring for her (something that Sora even stated after the bomb start).

Provide a reason then you are making criticisms, stating generalizations based solely on your personal opinion, while not pointless, certainly doesn't justify your making a dozen or so posts PER THREAD, repeating your generalizations.

You want to insult people's intelligence by claiming their tastes suck (which is what you are doing), then prepared to be challenged in return. Don't act like a spoiled child when people turn things you say back on you.
May 16, 2014 6:36 PM
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For the people that hate it, it is only episode 6... I read a ton of Light Novels/manga and watched animes in the thousands. But I have read No Game No Life since the beginning it was translated... About 9 months ago. Didn't even know it had an anime coming. With all the light novels I have read I putted this Light Novel at the very top above all those other overly hype Light Novels.
The reason was this Light Novel use so much imagery and combines so many great ideas and a extremely fun setting AND REALLY easy to read unlike most Light novels WHICH have way to much unnecessary information. That I knew this was going to be the best Light Novel out there. But The anime on the other hand I knew this was going to happen the cut out many of the thought process which shows character development and incites that some people bash about it.

THOSE THAT HATE THE SHOW I SUGGEST YOU READ THE LIGHT NOVEL it is the only thing I can say. The animation of the anime brings the show to life. I wasn't expecting this much of a reaction but I assure you, will appericate when you go read the Light Novel.

MY ONLY complaint with the LIGHT NOVEL is that there is way to many bath scenes.
May 16, 2014 6:59 PM

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Loving this show more and more :D

That skyrim reference at the end though >.<
May 16, 2014 7:50 PM

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Takuan_Soho said:
Kaioshin_Sama said:

- One dimensional underdeveloped and unlikable cast
- Flawed game logic with too loose rules that often rely on having to have an opponent make a far fetched series of mistakes and avoiding an easy winning move to have heroes succeed
+/- Sometimes kind of titillating but sometimes gross and unwelcome fanservice


Again, those are opinions, not criticisms. Criticisms are "whys" and "whats" not "cuz". Why do you think that Sora is one dimensional, or Steph, or even Shiro. What about them would you want to know more about? What is it about the games that are illogical (or flawed) and where could the opponent make mistakes or avoided easy winning moves.

Other people have provided reasons, though for the most part they have been refuted. The chess game was logical, and no kurumi couldn't have done something different without violating the worldview this story has created. Same with this episode. Jibiril never considered Sora a threat until the second to last of his statements (and even then she didn't consider him a threat, but she did respect him), her ending the game sooner would have been boring for her (something that Sora even stated after the bomb start).

Provide a reason then you are making criticisms, stating generalizations based solely on your personal opinion, while not pointless, certainly doesn't justify your making a dozen or so posts PER THREAD, repeating your generalizations.

You want to insult people's intelligence by claiming their tastes suck (which is what you are doing), then prepared to be challenged in return. Don't act like a spoiled child when people turn things you say back on you.


No I think that's actually a criticism and an opinion buddy but good try anyway. Hope you get the requisite props on your profile for standing up to my tyranny and what not though. Personally I don't really give a damn if people think my criticisms and opinions of the show aren't accurate. If it makes them feel better they can totally feel that way and I'm sure they will since it's currently the hottest shit on MAL.

The way I see it either side of the discussion is being pretty dismissive of the others views on the show so I think we're pretty even if I continue to hold the opinion that the average viewer seems to have really low standards if they have any at all. Just figure it's worth saying one last time that there is such a thing as in-between pure unadulterated fervent love and hate for hates sake.

Also hey, if people feel like making what basically amounts to the same "lol epic" post over and over every week I really don't see why I should feel bad for reiterating some points when the really defensive posters start coming out to try and police the posters that aren't exactly parroting this shows merits back to the rest of the thread or just posting generic hype comments.
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May 16, 2014 8:03 PM

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First off, I must clap my hands for seeing people discussing about the physics, but I don't think you understand the basis of the game, right?
Even if something is erased (like all other gases, except O2), this thing may still be created; Sora and Shiro continued producing gases through breathing.
Now, there are 2 mistakes most people here are doing.
1- Believing the Hyper Nova and all of those reactions would have occurred after erasing Coulomb's law.
2- Believing Sora erased Coulomb's law.
If Coulomb's law was erased, all of the rest that happened would have been invalid for our physics. However, Sora erased Coulomb's FORCE.
Coulomb's force depends on the charges and distance of the particles. Erasing it, I theorize Sora actually erased the charges of the particles.
By erasing that, the only force of attraction left would be gravity. In the following impact of particles and atoms, the friction would have transformed other forms of energy and energized the particles again, but they would be at a much lower distance and he impact would release much more energy, generating the chain of reactions of the episode that would cause the hyper nova.
Sora temporarly erased the charges of particles, not a physics' principle. That's why those events and reactions still happened, which would have not been possible if he had erased Coulomb's LAW
May 16, 2014 8:25 PM
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Kaioshin_Sama said:
No I think that's actually a criticism and an opinion buddy but good try anyway.


Nope, and you are an idiot to think otherwise. You are like the person who upon watching Citizen Kane goes "he was an ass, therefore the movie sucks". People who can't explain why something is are not critics, but unthinking rubes.

Kaioshin_Sama said:
Hope you get the requisite props on your profile for standing up to my tyranny and what not though. Personally I don't really give a damn if people think my criticisms and opinions of the show aren't accurate. If it makes them feel better they can totally feel that way and I'm sure they will since it's currently the hottest shit on MAL.

LOL, I am here because I am bored and I like animation. This is why I go to extreme lengths in my explanations of shows. To be frank, I don't care about you. You just provide a fun target for me to wax on. That is what you are. Ignore me, and I couldn't care less. But to ignore me means you have to run away, ah the conflict the conflict!

Kaioshin_Sama said:
The way I see it either side of the discussion is being pretty dismissive of the others views

Untrue, the defenders have gone to great lengths to explain the science or the logic of the chess game. The detractors, such as yourself, only pout "I don't like it". Take your response for instance. I do notice that you still haven't provided a "who, what, where, when, why, or how". You just pout, like you did against Shaft/Kyoani. You have no facts, only your uninformed, ignorant opinions.

Kaioshin_Sama said:
on the show so I think we're pretty even if I continue to hold the opinion that the average viewer seems to have really low standards if they have any at all. Just figure it's worth saying one last time that there is such a thing as in-between pure unadulterated fervent love and hate for hates sake.

Let me be clear here, you don't love or hate, you are incapable of either emotion. The only thing you want is to be "superior" to what you view as fanboys. You gain value from defeating fans of a show for, well, being fans of a show, yet you don't have the self awareness to know how pathetic that is. Hence you attacked Shaft and Kyoani as being "representative" of Japanese animation either though the number of hits either studio has had in the past 5 years has been truly trivial (which after around 2,428 posts you finally admitted to, even though had you spent 5 minutes to actually look at the data you could have figured this out for yourself). To use a NGNL analogy, you are Jibili, you have no curiosity, only the burning desire to think you are superior. As Sora pointed out, that isn't your strength, its what makes you weak.

Kaioshin_Sama said:
Also hey, if people feel like making what basically amounts to the same "lol epic" post over and over every week I really don't see why I should feel bad for reiterating some points when the really defensive posters start coming out to try and police the posters that aren't exactly parroting this shows merits back to the rest of the thread or just posting generic hype comments.

Because it is incumbent upon you to prove your point. One cannot prove a negative. If you think this show sucks, list your arguments. But see you don't you just state opinions. That is why you are a joke, not just on this thread, but all threads. People are not laughing at you because they "don't get you", rather they are laughing at you because they get you only too well.
May 16, 2014 8:31 PM

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Takuan_Soho said:
Kaioshin_Sama said:
No I think that's actually a criticism and an opinion buddy but good try anyway.


Nope, and you are an idiot to think otherwise. You are like the person who upon watching Citizen Kane goes "he was an ass, therefore the movie sucks". People who can't explain why something is are not critics, but unthinking rubes.

Kaioshin_Sama said:
Hope you get the requisite props on your profile for standing up to my tyranny and what not though. Personally I don't really give a damn if people think my criticisms and opinions of the show aren't accurate. If it makes them feel better they can totally feel that way and I'm sure they will since it's currently the hottest shit on MAL.

LOL, I am here because I am bored and I like animation. This is why I go to extreme lengths in my explanations of shows. To be frank, I don't care about you. You just provide a fun target for me to wax on. That is what you are. Ignore me, and I couldn't care less. But to ignore me means you have to run away, ah the conflict the conflict!

Kaioshin_Sama said:
The way I see it either side of the discussion is being pretty dismissive of the others views

Untrue, the defenders have gone to great lengths to explain the science or the logic of the chess game. The detractors, such as yourself, only pout "I don't like it". Take your response for instance. I do notice that you still haven't provided a "who, what, where, when, why, or how". You just pout, like you did against Shaft/Kyoani. You have no facts, only your uninformed, ignorant opinions.

Kaioshin_Sama said:
on the show so I think we're pretty even if I continue to hold the opinion that the average viewer seems to have really low standards if they have any at all. Just figure it's worth saying one last time that there is such a thing as in-between pure unadulterated fervent love and hate for hates sake.

Let me be clear here, you don't love or hate, you are incapable of either emotion. The only thing you want is to be "superior" to what you view as fanboys. You gain value from defeating fans of a show for, well, being fans of a show, yet you don't have the self awareness to know how pathetic that is. Hence you attacked Shaft and Kyoani as being "representative" of Japanese animation either though the number of hits either studio has had in the past 5 years has been truly trivial (which after around 2,428 posts you finally admitted to, even though had you spent 5 minutes to actually look at the data you could have figured this out for yourself). To use a NGNL analogy, you are Jibili, you have no curiosity, only the burning desire to think you are superior. As Sora pointed out, that isn't your strength, its what makes you weak.

Kaioshin_Sama said:
Also hey, if people feel like making what basically amounts to the same "lol epic" post over and over every week I really don't see why I should feel bad for reiterating some points when the really defensive posters start coming out to try and police the posters that aren't exactly parroting this shows merits back to the rest of the thread or just posting generic hype comments.

Because it is incumbent upon you to prove your point. One cannot prove a negative. If you think this show sucks, list your arguments. But see you don't you just state opinions. That is why you are a joke, not just on this thread, but all threads. People are not laughing at you because they "don't get you", rather they are laughing at you because they get you only too well.


I don't understand what else there is to explain here is the problem. I think there's just like a fundamental difference of what constitutes a good or proper criticism of something going on here that is impossible to make up the gap for so why should I waste my time just rehashing the things I've already stated over and over again only for you to just dismiss them as you have been. Total waste of time. Frankly I don't understand why you spend so much time trying to defend the tastes of people who probably don't even know why they claim to like something in the first place nor even bother to read what other people post anyway, but on some level I kind of admire the sheer commitment I have to say.

I used to be naive like that thinking I was making a difference by putting so much effort and in depth arguing into the things I enjoyed when other people tried to trash them, but eventually I smartened up and realized most people just plain don't care cause it takes them too much effort to read more than a paragraph anyway. And no I don't feel superior, I just wish more people weren't so bloody complacent and just follow the herd in which ever direction it chooses to go. That's why at the end of the day as you sit here trying to insult me and say all those things about the kind of person you think I am (most people will never understand anyway so I don't really hold it against them) I still think you're a hell of a lot better than most posters in this thread because at least I can tell those thoughts are your own and you really do mean it. Makes a pretty big difference.
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Great episode. Wing orgasm ftw!

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is anyone else absolutely spewing that theres only 13 eps i know i am. On other notes such a great ep this anime is freaken amazing


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May 17, 2014 12:11 AM
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i know its over from the first move:H-bomb

but did jibril lose because she died from the hyper nova couldn't speak her spell or she did respond in 30 seconds?
May 17, 2014 12:34 AM

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Wow, so many people take this show too seriously and got way too scientific. Yes, there are many scientific fallacy. Removing any part inside the planet will cause major collapse of lithosphere. (I facepalm when I read someone's comment that litosphere is eggsell) Removing Coulomb force will cause every matters too collapse into dark hole. Even though the rule prevent direct damage to players, it will collapse MC cloths and kill him in a big nuclear explosion first. There are long list of logic and science fallacies, but my point is not to pick on them. It will just ruin your enjoyment of the episodes.

Remember, this is comedy/ ecchi lighthearted supernatural version of Liar Game, turn off your brain and enjoy it as is.
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Wow, so many people take this show too seriously and got way too scientific. Yes, there are many scientific fallacy. Removing any part inside the planet will cause major collapse of lithosphere. (I facepalm when I read someone's comment that litosphere is eggsell) Removing Coulomb force will cause every matters too collapse into dark hole. Even though the rule prevent direct damage to players, it will collapse MC cloths and kill him in a big nuclear explosion first. There are long list of logic and science fallacies, but my point is not to pick on them. It will just ruin your enjoyment of the episodes.

Remember, this is comedy/ ecchi lighthearted supernatural version of Liar Game, turn off your brain and enjoy it as is.


Ehm the point with the egg shell was mine and no that is not nonsense...if you want want to force a hollow ball with an evenly distributed force from outside to change its volume a strong pressure starts building up, counteracting said force.

Now the opposite is also true, if you have an evenly distributed force pulling from the inside (which the gravitation is) said pressure also builds up.

In the same post I also said that the lithosphere would still not hold as the distance it has from the core is too big for the gravitation to be strong enough, hence building up up a strong enough pressure to hold.

But it would still counteract the motion of crumbling to a certain degree...

And yes I know that this is a simplification as the Earth is not even a ball but physics live from simplifications.

Your second point was also lengthly discussed between AllTJAck and me. And no Jibril would still die first as she is closer to the black hole.

And last but not least we are not discussing the physics for discrediting the show, no I even said in another thread that there is a point you have to dismiss physics for entertainment, but because we want to know what would happen in real life if this could happen; out of pure curiosity ;-)
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Kaioshin_Sama said:
I don't ever remember saying I hate it. Wow man how do you consistently post stuff like this and what's with these forums in general sometimes. I feel like I've made plenty of criticisms but people just always ignore them on MAL and don't seem to actually ever read what others posts so whatever lol. People are going to lose their shit over this show every week now regardless of what happens cause its a community bandwagon hype thing so I don't see what people care if one or two people don't exactly parrot the shows perceived qualities back at them and have opinions of their own. MAL should try my approach more, it might actually make for a rare actually discussion other than "Hurr epic lolz".

Anyway just one more time to clarify here are some ups and downs for the show:

+ Excellent art quality

Yeah we all know how a nice art does NGNL have. The studio did a great job in bringing us a colorful and vibrant world as well as some nice darker shades in crucial moments of games.

Kaioshin_Sama said:
+ Interesting use of music

The nice use of music is integrated into the games and comedy that we see in NGNL. Nice job audio experts which worked together with the production team to bring us such fitting and well-placed music.

Kaioshin_Sama said:
+ Some amusing one liners

Since I presume you are referring to the beautiful use of references to make the show more interesting to almost anyone who spent some time watching anime and researching about them. If you are not then please give a few examples of what one liners are you referring to. Trough pretty much every line in NGNL has some purpose.

Kaioshin_Sama said:
- One dimensional underdeveloped and unlikable cast

That is clearly a opinion that is not common on this thread. I don't see Shiro and Sora as being one dimensional - they both have a complex personality made out of various influences that they were exposed trough their life. I think that was clearly shown when they revealed how deep their dependance on each other is in ep 2 (and how much of a f**k up of a human beings they became under the alienation they were exposed from the rest of Earth's humanity).

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- Flawed game logic with too loose rules that often rely on having to have an opponent make a far fetched series of mistakes and avoiding an easy winning move to have heroes succeed

I don''t see you list any arguments just stating an opinion that I seen so many times on the discussion threads of this anime. Tell me what flaws, far fetched mistakes and which "easy winning moves" are you referring to? If you do so I might just consider argumentation whatever flawed logic you come up with. And if there were any loose rules (trough the only which cloud be considered loose one is the "figures have a will of their own" from ep 3/4) that is the fault of the one making the rules of each game or you not understanding them correctly for some reason, hell the author goes to great lengths and keeps repeating the basic rules (the ten oaths) of NGNL again and again for those stupid enough not to get them on the first mention of them or forgetting them if they are not mentioned practically each episode.

Kaioshin_Sama said:
+/- Sometimes kind of titillating but sometimes gross and unwelcome fanservice

Again this is an opinion that is also so freaking worn out on this discussion thread.
IT WAS STATED FROM EVEN BEFORE EP 1 WAS AIRED THAT NO GAME NO LIFE IS AN ECCHI ANIME - FANSERVICE IS NOT JUST EXPECTED IT IS A MAJOR PART OF ECCHI SHOWS.
Hell it at least explains why there is fanservice in a simple way - because Sora, like every healthy young human that passed puberty, has sexual needs. Or the fact that they need to take a bath, please note that Japanese people usually take quite a lot of baths, it is a part of their culture so those baths in NGNL are a pretty nice connection to this. (Definitely more sounder then Kill La Kill's explanation of near nakedness of most of the cast, and at one point the whole world, trough making nudity a part of the plot is also a nice idea)

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f people disagree fine but to now say once more I haven't pointed anything out or am just hating is laughable.

You only pointed out your stupidity.
And you still didn't reply to my post in the "Why is this anime so hyped and popular?". Did I hit a sore point mister hater.

I will just state this:
"Haters of NGNL are such a rare occurrence that we can use that well know "The exception proves the rule" used even by science. So haters that attack NGNL are just exceptions that prove how good the show actually is."

As for those arguing about the science - please don't make me go find some place on the net where I can find people with a Ph. in Physics and ask them about the last part of ep 6's game so we clear this once and for all. After all this is a fantasy not science fiction show so don't get to nitpicky about the science.
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Man people get so defensive, personal and just plan nasty over this show and again I just don't even know why. I'm beginning to see more and more the sort of person that it attracts as it's core audience and honestly I can kind of get why they would identify with this cast and it's premise. It's actually kind of a perfect fit.

Say anything against this show or don't exactly parrot back how great it is to the thread and people freak the fuck out. No wonder these threads are so full of bandwagoners and just people policing opinion on it. I doubt most people would have anywhere near the patience or tolerance levels to put up with much of this stuff so all the other critics and people that aren't 100% signed on to the hype bandwagon for this show have probably already left.
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@Kaioshin Gee can't you get any more condescending?
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@Kaioshin Gee can't you get any more condescending?


Hey man as long as people are being defensive and obnoxious about the show it makes it pretty damn easy. If the atmosphere coming from the thread were even a little less hostile towards any remotely negative opinion or criticism of the show and people weren't constantly trying to beat me over the head with it's supposed objective and unquestionable infallibility then maybe I'd be more inclined to say nicer things. You kind of get what you give and frankly I see a lot more condescension coming my way than I feel I'm giving. Maybe if somebody would ask me to share something without being a complete twat about it and basically calling me an idiot or hater I'd be more inclined to engage them in further discussion but they give me little else to react to other than to just balk at their behavior and utter lack of anything resembling social graces and an understanding of how to interact with and converse with people. gamer5's attempt at engaging me in particular was arrogant and trollish as it comes. I have no desire nor obligation to respond to any of that and ditto goes to the stuff I'm getting from Takuan_Soho. Why would I want to have a conversation about this show with people like that and their clearly absolutist opinions when it's not going to accomplish anything and just leads to more of the same insults and people telling me how stupid and wrong I am? Utter wast e of time on people like that.

Again though it actually says a lot to me and I'm starting to understand more and more why this show is so popular with the audience it has because I'm now absolutely certain the characters are actually quite relatable to them while to me they're just kind of obnoxious.
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Botato said:
@Kaioshin Gee can't you get any more condescending?


Hey man as long as people are being defensive and obnoxious about the show it makes it pretty damn easy. If the atmosphere coming from the thread were even a little less hostile towards any remotely negative opinion or criticism of the show and people weren't constantly trying to beat me over the head with it's supposed objective and unquestionable infallibility then maybe I'd be more inclined to say nicer things. You kind of get what you give and frankly I see a lot more condescension coming my way than I feel I'm giving.

Because all you've been saying is "I don't get what the hype is about" followed by something that can be considered a personal attack. If you don't like it then cool, just don't go around criticizing the people that like it. People like different things and have different opinions.
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Botato said:
Kaioshin_Sama said:
Botato said:
@Kaioshin Gee can't you get any more condescending?


Hey man as long as people are being defensive and obnoxious about the show it makes it pretty damn easy. If the atmosphere coming from the thread were even a little less hostile towards any remotely negative opinion or criticism of the show and people weren't constantly trying to beat me over the head with it's supposed objective and unquestionable infallibility then maybe I'd be more inclined to say nicer things. You kind of get what you give and frankly I see a lot more condescension coming my way than I feel I'm giving.

Because all you've been saying is "I don't get what the hype is about" followed by something that can be considered a personal attack. If you don't like it then cool, just don't go around criticizing the people that like it. People like different things and have different opinions.


I'm not criticizing them for liking it right now, I'm criticizing them for bad posting and manners. I think there's a difference. I really can't help it when people make it this easy to criticize them for acting like obnoxious fanboys, but again that has nothing to do with whether they like the show or not. To me it seems like there's more of a massive freakout that I have some negative things to say about it than I have to say for people that do. Do I get why people are totally losing their shit over this show? Maybe a little more now if probably not for the reasons most people would think but hey that's totally up to them.

It says a lot about the peoples here's lack of ability to see anything beyond their own personal outlook and egocentrism that they somehow turn it around so that I'm the only one dishing out any sort of attacks here, while I'm sure those people think they're just putting me in my place for not jumping on the latest hype bandwagon and loving the "AOTS" etc.
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Kaioshin_Sama said:

- One dimensional underdeveloped and unlikable cast
- Flawed game logic with too loose rules that often rely on having to have an opponent make a far fetched series of mistakes and avoiding an easy winning move to have heroes succeed
+/- Sometimes kind of titillating but sometimes gross and unwelcome fanservice


Well it is nice that you clearly pointed out what you like and dislike (I only quoted the dislikes as I have nothing further to say to your likes)

But I have to agree with Takuan that you need to post examples for cementing your points if you don't simply post your own opinion.

Look I have an opposite opinion concerning those points and I try to understand why you think of this show like this; not because I want to bash you but to know your thought process.

It is clear as night and day that once you will post these examples I and several others will try to refute said examples, but if you have solid points there is a point at which I need to accept your opinion, tastes differ after all.

But what I can't stand is when people generalise their own opinion to adress all people watching this show.

You started this out with your own opinion and while this discussion went on you more and more started to project your opinion on those who like this show, which is what I despise.

Once sb generalises their own opinion and start saying things like "everyone who is 18 yo and more and likes this show should go into therapy" I just can't accept this opinion anymore and I want concrete proof of what they are talking about; you could say I get defensive but that is my good right, isn't it, it concerns me, too, after all.

Look I even get your annoyance in the "Why is this show so popular"-thread, when everyone just posts an one liner with sth like "cuz its fun" as for me that is a hollow point.
But in the end this opinion aligns with mine and is in the overhelming majority, to ask each and every person why exactly they like it and what is "so fun" would take much more time as just posting sth against the opposite opinion.

Concerning your +/- point imo you mean that you sometimes can't stand the KIND of the fanservice, not the fact there is fanservice involved at all; at least for me you don't seem to be such a dumb person to actually hate any kind of fanservice in an ecchi anime.
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Caleb8980 said:
Kaioshin_Sama said:

- One dimensional underdeveloped and unlikable cast
- Flawed game logic with too loose rules that often rely on having to have an opponent make a far fetched series of mistakes and avoiding an easy winning move to have heroes succeed
+/- Sometimes kind of titillating but sometimes gross and unwelcome fanservice


Well it is nice that you clearly pointed out what you like and dislike (I only quoted the dislikes as I have nothing further to say to your likes)

But I have to agree with Takuan that you need to post examples for cementing your points if you don't simply post your own opinion.

Look I have an opposite opinion concerning those points and I try to understand why you think of this show like this; not because I want to bash you but to know your thought process.

It is clear as night and day that once you will post these examples I and several others will try to refute said examples, but if you have solid points there is a point at which I need to accept your opinion, tastes differ after all.

But what I can't stand is when people generalise their own opinion to adress all peole watching this show.

You started this out with your own opinion and while this discussion went on you more and more started to project your opinion on those who like this show, which is what I despise.

Once sb generalises their own opinion and start saying things like "everyone who is 18 yo and more and likes this show should go into therapy" I just can't accept this opinion anymore and I want concrete proof of what they are talking about; you could say I get defensive but that is my good right, isn't it, it concerns me, too, after all.

Look I even get your annoyance in the "Why is this show so popular"-thread, when everyone just postes an one liner with sth like "cuz its fun" as for me that is a hollow point.
But in the end this opinion aligns with mine and is in the overhelming majority, to ask each and every person why exactly they like it and what is "so fun" would take much more time as just posting sth aganst the opposite opinion.

Concerning your +/- point imo you mean that you sometimes can't stand the KIND of the fanservice, not the fact there is fanservice involved at all; at least for me you don't seem to be such a dumb person to actually hate any kind of fanservice in an ecchi anime.


That's all I asked for. I'll try to get some material to you on your wall and we can have a back and forth tomorrow since I'm heading off to bed. Like I said I'm down for something like this if there's a remote chance it might lead to an actual reasonable discussion since I actually agree that more specific examples are ultimately necessary in arguments like this, but I'm not going to waste my time on people that demand I spend my time going into more detail and then proceed to insult me. Thanks for having some decency and at least being willing to meet me halfway here. I don't know why so few people get it but that's all I really ask for otherwise I wouldn't be nearly as "condescending" as some people put it. Again you get what you give right :D
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I'm not criticizing them for liking it right now, I'm criticizing them for bad posting and manners. I think there's a difference. I really can't help it when people make it this easy to criticize them for acting like obnoxious fanboys, but again that has nothing to do with whether they like the show or not. To me it seems like there's more of a massive freakout that I have some negative things to say about it than I have to say for people that do. Do I get why people are totally losing their shit over this show? Maybe a little more now if probably not for the reasons most people would think but hey that's totally up to them.

Bad posting results from the many comments saying things along the lines of 'otaku pandering' and 'people have shit tastes for liking this' etc.
Not necessarily saying you said those things, but these threads have had those kinds of posts since the show began. I would assume that is the reason for the general atmosphere of this thread.

I can give reasons why I myself like it:

However I don't expect you to understand these reasons or agree with them, because we might not have similar tastes. I find it funny where you might find it stupid, etc...
So when you continue to ask people why do they like it, then say something along the lines of "they just like it because of otaku pandering/bandwagon/ or whatever else that can be considered condescending or insulting" then you're the one being obnoxious and OF COURSE you will get obnoxious remarks, ESPECIALLY considering how much the haters/fanboys war have changed the attitude of almost EVERYONE posting here.

My point is, if you think there's a massive freakout, then don't contribute to making it worse.
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Wow it's been a while since I last heard that arrow to the knee joke XD

Loved the science stuff. I was like "wait what does that mean again?" *thinks for a couple of seconds* "Oh now that makes sense!" haha.

The other two were fine but naked Shiro doesn't sit too well with me though.
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Hey, Kaioshin, I see you coming on every freaking discussion thread of this anime and pretty much always saying the same things all over again (and usually without any arguments attached) which offend NGNL, those who like it and many people not even related with the anime. This made me pretty angry.

If this was not enough good of a reason for me to be angry then the fact that you pretty much ignore any sound argument or don't give any counter argument is a good reason to be angry.

Also how would you feel if I trash talked one of your favorite anime/characters/... with not reason or argument given? If you would remain cold as a stone and not even get upset than I would wonder if you are actually an human at all.

Add the fact that the scores on your anime list show where your tastes and opinions are pretty much rooted - in mecha and those heroic shouen anime from two decades ago (or new ones in the same style) makes me wonder why do you bother to watch anything else, maybe just so you can to give a bad/mediocre score and back it up by the fact that you actually watched something and didn't like it?

At least (unlike you) I learned how to approach everything (from manga and anime, over books to video games) from a clear stand point and while taking in mind the basic idea/standpoint of the thing in question.
A few examples:
I will watch Fairy Tail while keeping in mind that it was meant to be an fantasy action adventure shouen with comradeship as the main driving force between most of the characters, not caring if the comradeship thing is used as a always win solution in almost all of the hard fights they have...
I will watch Girls und Panzer while keeping in mind that it is as bluntly as the title says, about girls driving tanks, who cares if they live on huge mobile ship cities...
I will watch NGNL while keeping in mind that it is a combination of an comedy and adventure centered around conflicts being solved trough games, not caring the fact that they use the thrown into a fantasy world setting...
I will watch Noucome with knowledge that the anime is all about the main character being screwed by the world and aimed at making the watchers LOL as much as possible. I will not nitpick about the shallow plot, already seen character stereotypes...
So (unlike you) I will not nitpick about this and that which makes the thing sound unrealistic, I will rather remain open minded and enjoy the good bits of the thing in question instead of pushing whatever bad elements I think there are present, in the face of those which find the thing in question to be better then me. That is one of the main reason why I didn't post for other mangas/anime/LNs which I like, I knew that I would need to face haters and would be forced to fight a war of words with them at least a few times. The only reason I am posting on NGNL's discussion is because the LN is one of, by my opinion, top works of fiction from the Japanese manga/anime/LN world that I read and the anime was done so good that it will probably stay in my mind for a long time.

The only insult I used came from the fact that you showed over and over that you don't like the show in such a way that made sound you like a hater. If you sound like a hater people are going to think you are one you know?

Bad posting? I thing that I made pretty much a nice and clear posts with a shorter or longer section to reply about each part of your posts and backed it up with arguments or comments.

Manners? Weren't you the one who attacked the series and those which watch it first, without arguments? I find that pretty rude and insulting. If you plan to attack something that is widely held as being very good then you better have arguments for your opinion otherwise you sound like a hater with no reason.
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The best episode by far! He had everything planned right from the start! There's only one thing i don't understand. Jibril was naked right in front of Sora and there was no reaction? Not even a nosebleed?
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The best episode by far! He had everything planned right from the start! There's only one thing i don't understand. Jibril was naked right in front of Sora and there was no reaction? Not even a nosebleed?
it was all perfectly wholesome
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this episode was absolutely epic!!!
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Pretty good episode this time :D
So Jibril is now their ally.
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Hmm? You are kinda mixing things a bit up here.

Warning: Do not open the spoiler if you have zero interest in physics ^^








Also im glad u feel the same about the discussion, an excersice of intellectual curriosity and the fact to me tat I can do it in the context of a something I watch and enjoy is a plus and for me makes me more interested in the show (and something I rarely get to do) :)))
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So, Jibril is gonna be their ally now? cool.

Can't wait for the next episodes ;D


No, not their ally, their SLAVE XD

And for the record, she actually ENJOYS it.
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Kaioshin_Sama said:
I used to be naive like that thinking I was making a difference by putting so much effort and in depth arguing into the things I enjoyed when other people tried to trash them, but eventually I smartened up and realized most people just plain don't care cause it takes them too much effort to read more than a paragraph anyway. And no I don't feel superior, I just wish more people weren't so bloody complacent and just follow the herd in which ever direction it chooses to go. That's why at the end of the day as you sit here trying to insult me and say all those things about the kind of person you think I am (most people will never understand anyway so I don't really hold it against them) I still think you're a hell of a lot better than most posters in this thread because at least I can tell those thoughts are your own and you really do mean it. Makes a pretty big difference.


The bold sections are "I am wiser, they are not". So yes, you do feel superior, which in turn makes you feel bitter ( I was making a difference by putting so much effort and in depth arguing into the things I enjoyed.

I am going to give you some heartfelt advice. Give up thinking about other people. There is nothing to "win" here, no one to convince. 99% of the people here are looking for entertainment, and there is nothing wrong with that. Entertainment is ephemeral by nature, wildly popular today, nearly forgotten by tomorrow. That is it's nature. Complaining otherwise is not only a waste of time, its as pointless as pissing into the wind.

I would also lay off the martyr complex you have. People don't insult you because of our opinions, they insult you because you are insulting them. Everything in bold above is "I know better you do not"; people pick up on that very easily you know. So there is no surprise when they return the favor.
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Most original way to avoid censorship ever: simply remove everything that would normally be censored. Awesomesauce.

But seriously, this was the best episode so far. I enjoyed all the physics talk, both in-universe and in the forums here. Only thing that wasn't clear for me was how they did it with the crust disappearing and no one noticing the effects, but
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properly explained that for me ^.^ All the talk about the physics of pressure, oxygen and all that was slightly overdoing it imho, but interesting nonetheless for a physics noob like me.

Back to the episode, I hope that those siblings go to bed soon :/ Poor Steph. Although she's "just a Steph", I really like her. Jibril was pretty awesome too, but they overdid it a bit with the drooling. I can see why everyone wanted this animated xD
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Just say 'angel' or 'anything that can fly' and lets see what happens... don't know if he will win.

Its 'Intelligence' is honestly an illusion.... It is not intelligent at all... seriously...

That paper should burn and their bodies should have started melting. They should show these things to us if it is rated R+

Or say 'mouth', 'tongue' or 'vocal chords' in your turn and see what happens.

Or say 'Blood'... all her functioning will stop and you both die but after 30 seconds, you win.

There can be millions of ways to win,

Totally stupid game.
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"You can't directly cause a player to be unable to continue."

At least make a valid complaint. Half of the negative posts on this thread wouldn't exist if people just paid more attention.
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Anyone else was kinda disturbed by the fact that the bases of Jibril's wings were placed so freaking low on her back ?
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Hahahaha, Jibril's reaction to what Sora said he would bet in their game.

Yeah..... so Sora got to touch her wings as part of Jibril's uncertainty.

Jibril's attitude towards Imanity/Humans sure is starting to annoy me.

Let the game for the library begin!

Fan service!

Holy crap! Sora and Shiro shared the kiss of life! lol

They won and Jibril decided to accept Sora and Shiro as her new masters.
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Just say 'angel' or 'anything that can fly' and lets see what happens... don't know if he will win.

Its 'Intelligence' is honestly an illusion.... It is not intelligent at all... seriously...

That paper should burn and their bodies should have started melting. They should show these things to us if it is rated R+

Or say 'mouth', 'tongue' or 'vocal chords' in your turn and see what happens.

Or say 'Blood'... all her functioning will stop and you both die but after 30 seconds, you win.

There can be millions of ways to win,

Totally stupid game.


Oh sir, I may say you're the stupid here.
They already said before the game that you CAN'T interfere in a way that makes each other lose directly or kill each other directly. My god, try learn to read a little before call something stupid.
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They kissed
*cheers*
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One of the worst animes i've ever seen. I gave it till episode 6, and this is when I drop it. Horrible character development and conflicting ideals. Hes supposed to have a social disorder, but only when hes not around his sister? There has been plenty of times his sister was not beside him yet he can still manipulate people easy. lets not even get into the gary-stu thing either. 1/10


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Wow, besides the creepy genital-less fanservice, this episode was amazing! For once, the female characters are likable (Unlike Black Bullet...koffkoff)

I can say the same thing for the main female lead in Psycho-Piss
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