| I want to watch it just for including our football player in it. That guy at the end of the show is supposed to be this person. He even speaks Serbian. A shame that they never made a second season. Isn't it kinda open ended? Just a fraction of the whole story. |
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ZetaZaku said: A shame that they never made a second season. Isn't it kinda open ended? Just a fraction of the whole story. That's what I've heard, it looks fun though. |
corwin_r said: NieA Under 7 is a nice charming show, it feels like a rougher Haibane Renmei, and some of the featured antics are quite a novelty when it comes to anime (one of the episodes has characters smoking marijuana). But I doubt it would make it on the E-list, since it's really a love-hate type of show, the atmosphere that the show establishes probably contributing most to it, and it seems as if people are evenly distributed on both sides. Not very good over all. The titular character overly obnoxious, a lot of the humor was repetitious, and too many aspects of the setting were left vague for no apparent reason. |
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| +1 Sora no Woto I think it would deserve it only for its unique use of aspects that have become as essential in anime as the background designs and the soundtrack. Seriously, I have no words to describe how effective the environment this series creates through these tools is. But the fact is that what moved me to vote it here were its clear reminiscences -in my mind at least :P- to a Korean movie I enjoyed a damn lot, Welcome to Dongmakgol. Sure, there are many cutesy series out there but I think this one trascends that level to offer something more significant, a powerful hymn to the modest beauty of the world. It is irregular; some of its pace changes don't mix too well -I never managed to get attached to the backstory of Kureha, for instance- and the fact it combines various genres and states of mind even in the same episode may make it look disjointed, but I'd say that most of the time, it works and helps to develop the isolated environment represented by the town of Seize and the 1121th Platoon. There's for instance a kind of infamous episode about something as weird and unsubstantial as Kanata watching over a phone, and regardless of a few exploitative sequences that were sort of gross, I think the experience worked reasonably well, mostly because of the dynamic pace of the episode and the ability this series has shown to effectively change its mood. The characters are moe archetypes, and the story is a bit of a well-meaning fable but... you know. These things all depend on execution and I think that the one in Sora no Woto is very competent; Kanata is an amazing main character whose virginal innocence embodies perfectly the main point of this story, and Rio became my favorite very soon; the rest work well in both their emotional and comedic moments, though I didn't build an attachment as strong as I had for these two. The emotional exposition is a strange mix of subtle backgrounds and straightforward delivery but it works greatly as well. I think it would make a good entry for the list, after all. It is flawed -minor and forgivable flaws to me, though- but it is as well a fascinating experience that, through the combination of different ideas from previous stories, manages to find its own identity and offer something unique. Sorry for the absurdly long text for just a +1 vote. I finished it just an hour ago and it was such an overwhelming and satisfying experience I had to spit it out here. |
| This club is pretty dead too. |
| Well it's more people trying to check stuff out that's already been nominated at this point since we used to nominate everything back in the day. Guess people are either forgetting or are still busy on the stuff in the noms list. |
The_Joki said: So I guess this chat is dead. Over a month with nothing happening... It gets tough to nominate shows knowing no one (okay, not a lot) will go out of their way to watch 50+ episodes for an anime from the 60's or 70's. Heck, even Bartender can't even get the vote it needs and that show's not that old or long. The polls don't end well either. Most of them struggle to gain enough votes. As one of the top voters in this club, it's getting tiring watching people vote for shows in this thread then not backing it up once the poll goes up. But whatever. The_Joki said: At the beginning of this they have the Enlightenment Chart and then the Relations, but can someone explain what the Purgatory listing is? Also, if a poll is declared invalid does that polling count as one of the two it can have? The Purgatory list is the list of shows which are waiting to be polled. And the Invalid status does count. Invalid was the main reason repolls were started in the first place, but we've since moved to allowing even shows which have been declared Enlightening and Unremarkable. It really just comes down to what people want to poll. |
| Maybe a simulwatch or something would be good. Not necessarily watching it at the same time but before a certain deadline, idk. |
mayukachan said: Maybe a simulwatch or something would be good. Not necessarily watching it at the same time but before a certain deadline, idk. Thanks for the suggestion! Sincerely. We (well, some members) have tried and still practice simulwatching shows for the polls. Sometimes it doesn't work out because of real life schedules and priorities (Exin, buddy, sorry I haven't been able to watch Votoms with you! ;_;) but I don't think any of us have completely given up hope when it comes to this. It's just an issue of feasibility. Also an issue of the sheer volume of shows that need support. Not everyone can watch everything. But we're trying. I know some guys are watching Ashita no Joe atm to help it out. So, thanks! I'd be great if more people could jump in and make this community experience more fruitful. |
| No problem. I'm actually in charge of simulwatches in another club I'm part of. I kind of got the idea started. It's a good way to encourage club community activity. But yeah, very hard to make it work because of everyones' busy daily lives. Probably a shorter show or movie is ideal though. A lot of people can't commit to anything longer than 20 episodes. lol. |
| This club is honestly probably the most active club on MAL. Most of our activity is not done on MAL, though. The main page comments are pretty active, too. |
AlabastreAizo said: This club is honestly probably the most active club on MAL. Most of our activity is not done on MAL, though. The main page comments are pretty active, too. We're not as active as we used to be back when I'd pm you club related matters every other day and when most of the admins were active. But we're still pretty active both in the comments sections and in chat. We still have livestreams and our monthly-read-a-longs which we do (corwin, please pick not simple so I can nominate it! ;_;) I quite like this club and I hope it stays alive long enough to welcome you home when you have more free time, Aizo. ;_; |
| I sitll have quite a handful of recommendations to make in regards to the enlightenment list, which are coming along slowly. But most of them are quite long and a large majority of them will probably stay in this clubs waiting section for another 2 - 3 years if I nominate them. *Assuming I'm still going to be active by then which is a very slim chance. |
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| Well at this point most of the more popular "essentials" have been suggested for inclusion on the enlightment list already. What's left is relatively obscure series no one watches because they're either too old or they don't look as interesting as interesting as the series already on the list, so it's only natural things have slowed down. Doesn't help that not too many people vote or review in the polls as well, but that's to be expected after it's been a thing for maybe two years. |
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| As it's been said, a great deal of it comes down to the Enlightenment list that already exists, with an impressive catalogue of titles. Except for when new, outstanding shows like Ping Pong air, the camp doesn't get a lot of fresh action. |
The_Joki said: So is the Purgatory list shows that are still getting votes then? The phrase 'waiting to be polled' is a bit ambiguous. Also, if I recommend a show to the Enlightenment Chart how long does it have to gain votes to be polled? Are there any limits to the number of times I can attempt to get a show on the list? Am I even allowed to nominate something, being relatively new to this group and all? I'm sorry about asking all these questions, but I'd like to get these things out of the way. 1. Yes, the Purgatory list is shows closer on the verge of being polled so they have less chance of being removed after inactivity in votes after a long span of time but still require a few to actually get to voting (8 votes total, at least 5 positive). 2. I don't think there's a concrete time, but it's still a fairly long while before it gets removed, and there's not really a limit to attempts, it's just about timing and not making it too excessive (?) 3. Yeah, if you have a fair amount of series watched you're eligible for a nomination, but you might want to make a short piece about why you are nominating the series in question for a safe nomination. Hope that helps :). |
The_Joki said: Another thing, but aside from hentai and relations, are there any series that are absolutely not up for consideration on the Enlightenment Chart? Not really, but there are shows which would simply never gather enough support to be considered. |
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| >Perhaps 'Enlightenment Waiting Room' would be better? Oh well, not a big deal... No. That's silly. >Another thing, but aside from hentai and relations, are there any series that are absolutely not up for consideration on the Enlightenment Chart? No. Nominate what you want. |
| This hasn't been updated since early december. Maybe someone should get to it soon. |
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Ventris said: I usually wait for something significant. All there is to add is a nomination for Giant Killing and a +1 vote to Sora no Woto, but your wish is my command, Ventris.This hasn't been updated since early december. Maybe someone should get to it soon. Edit: Ahh, I should add some stuff to the enlightenment list, too. Thanks! |
| I recommend that people, if interesting in seeing a new anime, check out things in the new mentions and purgatory, so we can clean this up a bit. List updated [*]Added to New Mentions: Giant Killing [*]Added to Enlightenment: Uchuu Senkan Yamato 2199, Erin [*]Removed from Purgatory or New Mentions: Fantastic Children 2 2, Seto no Hanayome 1 3 A couple series were removed from the new mentions due to too little activity and too many negative votes. If nobody has any positive votes for the following series, then they will be removed in the next update: Fushigi no Umi no Nadia, Futari wa Precure, Glass no Usagi, Hikaru no Go, Zegapain Also, if this "Rescue Me!" thing is a joke, I want to delete it. It's not making it to enlightenment, anyway. |
| +1 to Nadia I'll try to finish Hikaru no Go and Zegapain. |
| "The more inexperienced you are, the more you want to show off." - Oreki, Hyouka |
ArcherSushi said: +1 to Nadia Oh? Touché. |
AlabastreAizo said: Also, if this "Rescue Me!" thing is a joke, I want to delete it. It's not making it to enlightenment, anyway. It is not a joke. I will stream it again if I have to to get the votes it needs. |
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| I'm sorry, Aizo. It had a beach segment. I'm weak. +1 Rescue Me |
| Well Aizo. Looks like the tables have turned. That is the last vote needed to get it polled. |
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| Rejoice, for we now have 8 votes! Rescue Me poll soon! |
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| Hm, seeing as how I actually watched the Hikaru no Go anime recently I guess I'm inclined to cast a vote on it. -1 to Hikaru no Go anime. It's a pretty good series, and I enjoyed it and the nice music, but the manga is simply better and I don't feel the anime is on par with a lot of what the E-list holds. |
JohnnyChump said: Higurashi is already on our relation list (refer to our club's homepage), which basically consist of series/character that we deemed to not deserve the MAL score it has, or not as good as how the fans/most people rate it. If you want to make another nomination in the future try to check the relation list, enlightenment list, new mention and purgatory first ;)I suggest Higurashi no Naku Koro ni for the Enlightenment List. Although the animation is crappy, it's a great mystery with a unique way of storytelling. And I do believe the music makes up for what the animation lacks. and -1 to hikaru no go I agree with forgone regarding the manga to be better, and I dont even consider the manga to be enlightenment material. |
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| @Johny - Not happening. The show is on our Relations list, AKA the overrated stuff. Familiarize yourself with the club before posting nominations. |
| I'm leaving up to Nid whether or not we do a poll for Rescue Me. I am tired of adding jokes to the list. It's a waste of my time to organize that kind of thing. You guys all gave it 1s and 2s—pretty sure I'm invalidating your votes. <3 JohnnyChump said: Okay, sorry about that! I'm new to MAL, so I didn't even know what relations are in the first place. Thanks for the info! They're different for our club than most. |
| Blue Submarine No. 6 +1 Planetes url is wrong |
vickypixFeb 14, 2015 2:47 PM
AlabastreAizo said: I'm leaving up to Nid whether or not we do a poll for Rescue Me. I am tired of adding jokes to the list. It's a waste of my time to organize that kind of thing. I mentioned this in the chat already. I think the best thing to do, if they adamant on adding it, would be to just add it without polling it. Because, heck, polling a joke would make even other polls - which we don't exactly have often these days but w/e - look like a total farce. |
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metamorphius said: The thing is, the other titles that could be grouped into this "category" like MD Geist, Cipher, actually have some merit in that a lot of people in the club really enjoy them. The backing of Rescue Me doesn't actually have that though. I don't know, if I had to describe it (lamely) it's just not a fun entry like the others.AlabastreAizo said: I mentioned this in the chat already. I think the best thing to do, if they adamant on adding it, would be to just add it without polling it. Because, heck, polling a joke would make even other polls - which we don't exactly have often these days but w/e - look like a total farce I'm leaving up to Nid whether or not we do a poll for Rescue Me. I am tired of adding jokes to the list. It's a waste of my time to organize that kind of thing. |
| I believe I understand what you mean, Forgone, though I haven't watched Rescue Me (and don't intend to, no use in adding more 1s/2s to my list). My proposal was just a sort of compromise, to at least try to avoid organizing a poll for it, because they really seemed keen on adding Rescue Me to the E-list, especially after Aizo asked if it was a joke. But overall, it's seems like a temporary joke adulation the club is rather known for. |
metamorphiusFeb 14, 2015 11:20 PM
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ForgoneReality said: The thing is, the other titles that could be grouped into this "category" like MD Geist, Cipher, actually have some merit in that a lot of people in the club really enjoy them. The backing of Rescue Me doesn't actually have that though. I don't know, if I had to describe it (lamely) it's just not a fun entry like the others. Yeah, that's how I feel. It seems more like a trick than a collective "party." I had no issue adding Cipher or Geist. Let me hear from those voting for it—what do you gain from this being on the list? How can this possibly measure up to anything on our list? It surely can't even measure up to Inferno Cop, Geist, nor Cipher. It's not nearly as classy. |
| - Skip Beat As much as I love Skip Beat, I vote absolutely not for it's inclusion on the list because there really isn't anything that distinguishes it from the typical shoujo. Why is Azumanga up there? It's funny and all, but what about it is groundbreaking, thought-provoking, or "elite?" (Note: I've only read the manga, but I get the impression that the anime isn't very different) Thoughts on adding something from the Bee Train girls with guns trilogy? I noticed that Maegil mentioned it on the first page. I've only seen Madlax and El Cazador and I'm a little iffy, but I think it could always be considered. Canaan anyone? I would like to see Asura and the Kara no Kyoukai movies up there. I don't think I really need to explain the latter; I'm surprised neither are mentioned in the OP at all. |
BadMediaKarmaFeb 26, 2015 6:23 AM
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BadMediaKarma said: Why is Azumanga up there? It's funny and all, but what about it is groundbreaking, thought-provoking, or "elite?" (Note: I've only read the manga, but I get the impression that the anime isn't very different) Here is the thread where we decided its inclusion. As you can see, it was a close call; 6 votes for enlightenment and 4 for unremarkable: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1145649 I nominated the show precisely under the impression that it didn't fit the mood of the e-list, but it was necessary to confront it. Many times when I look at the list and while there's plenty of great stuff I wonder if we rely too much on the thought-provoking label or, either, on genre-specific issues: it is way more difficult to make something truly groundbreaking, in terms of originality, trope codifying or overall creative influence, in slice-of-life comedy than in, say, psychological drama; however the list would not feel complete if we left out a genre as important as this one is for this reason alone. While I like strong concepts, I think there is the need as well to put value on delivery, specially on a genre that is self-limited in the nature of the contents it is able to display. In this case for instance, I think that Azumanga entered the list mainly due to its execution, which was agreed among various members to be remarkably good; something that similarly themed shows couldn't reach. I guess this only makes the series vulnerable to future repolls and probably being kicked out eventually, because its position is rooted on shared personal perceptions that can vary a lot. But in the meanwhile I'd say it deserves to be here. |
jal90Feb 27, 2015 5:26 AM
BadMediaKarma said: I would like to see Asura and the Kara no Kyoukai movies up there. I don't think I really need to explain the latter; I'm surprised neither are mentioned in the OP at all. Kara no Kyoukai 5 was already polled and it failed to join the E-ranks. And since there is pretty much a consensus that the fifth movie is the strongest, I personally doubt any other KnK movie would stand a chance. As for the whole franchise, that doesn't stand a chance at all, knowing this club. |
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