MeiMisaki1525 said: Let me put what you just said in perpective. You are talking about time itself right. So you are saying that a 40 year old woman and a 45 year old man who are dating is exactly the same as a 18 year old guy that's dating a 13 year old girl. Higashi_no_Kaze said: I think it's normal to consider stuff older than yourself as old, and maybe stuff from your early childhood. I just find it weird when people who are 20 or older consider stuff from 5-8 years ago as old. When a 14 year old does it it's more udnerstandable. What the fuck's the difference? It's still time. Hmm.. In my opinion Higashi_no_kaze has a point. |
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Milk_is_Special said: MeiMisaki1525 said: Let me put what you just said in perpective. You are talking about time itself right. So you are saying that a 40 year old woman and a 45 year old man who are dating is exactly the same as a 18 year old guy that's dating a 13 year old girl. What the fuck's the difference? It's still time. Hmm.. In my opinion Higashi_no_kaze has a point. How in the FUCK does that even make sense or is relevant to any part of the sentence I just typed? |
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| It's not like there is any mathematical formula to define old, people just express their subjective impression of what is old to them. That doesn't mean that any definition is reasonable though. People who call stuff from 2009 old are either 10-12 years old, measure 'old' from the time they started watching anime (which is unreasonable imo) or are just random. *shrugs* |
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MeiMisaki1525 said: You said "What the fuck's the difference, it is still time". I put time in perspective in that one sentence. :)Milk_is_Special said: Let me put what you just said in perpective. You are talking about time itself right. So you are saying that a 40 year old woman and a 45 year old man who are dating is exactly the same as a 18 year old guy that's dating a 13 year old girl. Hmm.. In my opinion Higashi_no_kaze has a point. How in the FUCK does that even make sense or is relevant to any part of the sentence I just typed? |
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Milk_is_Special said: MeiMisaki1525 said: You said "What the fuck's the difference, it is still time". I put time in perspective in that one sentence. :)How in the FUCK does that even make sense or is relevant to any part of the sentence I just typed? That was irrelevant, seeing as how that "perspective" dealt with age and morality, and not time. I thought you knew the difference but it seems you don't. :) |
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| Soon we will all become Newtypes and see time itself |
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hybreezy said: Soon we will all become Newtypes and see time itself Do you mean newfags or what? |
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MeiMisaki1525 said: smhhybreezy said: Soon we will all become Newtypes and see time itself Do you mean newfags or what? I'm only on episode 25 of MSG, but still, smh. |
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IFuckedAPie said: MeiMisaki1525 said: smhDo you mean newfags or what? I'm only on episode 25 of MSG, but still, smh. What's MSG? |
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MeiMisaki1525 said: hybreezy said: Soon we will all become Newtypes and see time itself Do you mean newfags or what?  EDIT: MeiMisaki1525 said: IFuckedAPie said: smh I'm only on episode 25 of MSG, but still, smh. What's MSG?  |
Champloo_RemixSep 19, 2014 12:24 PM
Champloo_Remix said: MeiMisaki1525 said: Do you mean newfags or what? lol |
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| I'm a newfag. Don't like it. Sorry. The colors, the artistic design of the characters. I really can't bring myself to watch it. |
Tespith said: I'm a newfag. Don't like it. Sorry. The colors, the artistic design of the characters. I really can't bring myself to watch it. Newfags are cute. Let us be friends. |
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| Personally I feel myself enjoying things from the past rather than the present. Shows like Gunbuster and the earlier mecha shows are up my alley. However I also loved the more recent sequel Diebuster which is filled to the brim with more modern anime tropes (although Diebuster itself is old these days I guess). When watching a show like Gunbuster the age is visible and audible right off the bat but I love it. It'd be ridiculous to say old shows don't share some of the tropes seen today, in fact Gainax are pretty much the inventors of said tropes, Gainax bounce and teens wearing skimpy outfits with big busts included. I guess I don't know what it is then that draws me into the earlier shows. They seem more visceral and daring. More bleak, less clean. I'm not a fan of the super clean looks you get on OVA's these days. Shit looks too sterile too me. Having said that, anime is decisive in the way it presents itself by virtue of being....anime. I feel that if the characters are good, the story is interesting and the soundtrack is great then I get drawn in either way. From Space Runaway to Kill la Kill, and Nausicaa to The Wind Rises. Give the old stuff a go, don't be too judgmental and try to enjoy them if for anything the historical factor. |
| Honestly alot of the older anime is just harder to find online, and in English. Mostly the ones in the 1970's-80's category. All the stuff in the "golden age of anime" all have likable art styles and animation. It really just depends on the studio and budget. |
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| astro boy is old |
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nucblus said: I tried to write a lot of things here but i only came off as a total asshole with the things I had to say. So I'll just ask: What do you think of these people who stray away from old anime? I personally can't stand them. I mean, I would at least be able to understand them if their preferences had something to do with the content of the shows. But they don't. They just think old animation is bad. And it's not. Bad time to add that I dropped Cowboy Bebop and Trigun because they were too old. |
WlLL said: astro boy is old tezuka is old. |
| Man old anime just plain sucks, I couldn't even get through Madoka Magica cause it's so outdated. 2014orleave |
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Ratohnhaketon said: Wow, then why do you have pretty old shows in your animelist.Man old anime just plain sucks, I couldn't even get through Madoka Magica cause it's so outdated. 2014orleave |
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| I dont think old anime are bad, just alot of bad animes happen to be old |
Qans said: I dont think old anime are bad, just alot of bad animes happen to be old I'm not soo sure about that. I think it's consistent across the board. In fact I'd go as far as to say that today you get a lot more sub-par shows due to the commercialization of everything. No more Wings of Honneamise watershed moments. Every era has both great and not so great shows and I guess with things like the internet today the bad stuff sticks out more. I also feel that in general since anime is a lot more widespread today you find shows that cover more niche topics and unconventional stories, but also shows that look identical across the board. I think I can relate in a way since I prefer the old stuff and don't really like the look of the new stuff. Of course in any case I never dismiss something and try to give everything a go. I guess to be fair when comparing new anime to old, the old anime referenced are usually the 'masterpieces' while the new shows are just the usual productions. I think really only time will tell in regards to how this stuff holds up. |
| Older anime, or anything rather (books, movies, music) that are still highly regarded today will always be considered better than the new stuff. That's just how it works. If you want to see the best that anime can offer, you can't only stick to the past ~7 years. |
| The scary thing, I didn't even know the term newfag was being thrown around in the thread. Talk about convenient timing. |
Qaiz said: I guess to be fair when comparing new anime to old, the old anime referenced are usually the 'masterpieces' while the new shows are just the usual productions. I think really only time will tell in regards to how this stuff holds up. I think this is becoming a problem - the fact that people judge newer shows so harshly while they give credit to older shows when both have a fair share of flaws. As someone who doesn't prefer either (well, I do sometimes if I feel like watching a specific new one), I don't see a huge difference in quality. |
Qaiz said: Qans said: I dont think old anime are bad, just alot of bad animes happen to be old I'm not soo sure about that. I think it's consistent across the board. In fact I'd go as far as to say that today you get a lot more sub-par shows due to the commercialization of everything. No more Wings of Honneamise watershed moments. Every era has both great and not so great shows and I guess with things like the internet today the bad stuff sticks out more. I also feel that in general since anime is a lot more widespread today you find shows that cover more niche topics and unconventional stories, but also shows that look identical across the board. I think I can relate in a way since I prefer the old stuff and don't really like the look of the new stuff. Of course in any case I never dismiss something and try to give everything a go. I guess to be fair when comparing new anime to old, the old anime referenced are usually the 'masterpieces' while the new shows are just the usual productions. I think really only time will tell in regards to how this stuff holds up. As a fan of old anime I have to say there is more old trash than nowadays. At least in terms of MAL entries. Of course old trash used to have 1 or 2 OVA episodes while today it can be up to 50 episodes (or also a short like Pupa) so another way to put it is that old trash has more variety to it because the series are much shorter :>. |
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Tespith said: Funny, I wasn't aware that they'd invented a whole lot of new colors in the last 10-15 years.I'm a newfag. Don't like it. Sorry. The colors, the artistic design of the characters. I really can't bring myself to watch it. |
Zalis said: Tespith said: Funny, I wasn't aware that they'd invented a whole lot of new colors in the last 10-15 years.I'm a newfag. Don't like it. Sorry. The colors, the artistic design of the characters. I really can't bring myself to watch it. What they mean are the colour palettes, not actual colours. Like, do we have pale pastel palettes like Natsume Yuujinchou or Kimi to Boku back then? Or bright, rainbowy colours like Tonari no Kaibutsu-kun or Meganebu? |
| Not even the colour palettes, just the dark, grainy, de-saturated look of actual painted cels as opposed to digital coloring. |
fst said: digital coloring did always attract me more then handcolored animation.Not even the colour palettes, just the dark, grainy, de-saturated look of actual painted cels as opposed to digital coloring. |
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| ... Are stupid. Simple as that. |
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hybreezy said: Soon we will all become Newtypes and see time itself |
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vongola-undecimo said: Too old, thankfully there's the remakehybreezy said: Soon we will all become Newtypes and see time itself |
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| Well, for someone like me who doesn't really prefer old anime (I'm talking 90's and below here), it's just that I really dislike animation of it all. When your first anime are like Guilty Crown, Fate/Zero, and Angel Beats, the fluid animation just grows on you. Then you start watching stuff like Gundam Seed with all its glorious repeat frames, pink smoke, reused animations and the likes, it's just really hard to adapt. But then again, it's all about the story for me. So unless the plot is really good, you'll find it quite difficult to make me watch anything old. |
What do you think? The meaning of our existence. Why do we continue to live? ~Iris Rain Umbrella, my favorite robot  |
| I agree that the shitty animation is cringy but look past that fact and you see legitimately amazing anime. |
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Ratohnhaketon said: I don't know why I laughed so hard at this xDvongola-undecimo said: Too old, thankfully there's the remake |
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Rebyuuu said: The Problem with old and by that I mean 60s/70s/80s, there's not much storytelling and more flashy flashy or this is how it is because I told you so type deal, as well as important story elements not explained, i couldn't find a single series in the 60s and only found 2 watch-able in the 70s due to plot holes and simplistic writing. You got it mixed up with new anime. |
| Honestly, I think it's less about the quality of the animation and more about the art styles. Most anime I see nowadays has shifted SO dramatically from the kind of art styles I enjoy. SPECIFICALLY when it comes to character design. It doesn't matter if new animation moves more smoothly or fluidly, because these character designs are just the same fucking bullshit over and over, and it's been this way for a little over a decade now. Let's talk for a second about the incredible lack of variation in character design today, and the overall moe-ification of every single genre under the sun. In fact, let's look at some examples of how much the designs of even specific characters has shifted. I'll start off with some less egregious examples... First up, Cutey Honey: Next, You're Under Arrest: Also, just take a look at how they've changed the Tenchi Muyo character design: Or, even worse, look at the upcoming promotional images for Kiseijuu compared to the original manga: This stuff is just not acceptable. Occasionally, yes, we get a series like Jojo's Bizarre Adventure or Space Dandy... or something like... Ping Pong: The Animation. However, these are all few and far-between. It would be easy enough to ignore all of the homogenzied cookie cutter stuff, if there was a bit more of the stuff I (and many others) enjoy, too. However, I feel like 90% of the anime that come out nowadays has some moe-influenced artstyle. It's impossible to avoid. |
vigorousjammerSep 21, 2014 7:54 AM
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vigorousjammer said: This looks perfectly fine by me. It is just harder to put a lot of detail non stop in an anime because IT HAS TO BE ANIMATED. When it contains so much detail like the first picture , it would be impossible to animate without a budget that is bigger then all the money that the US has. And to be honest it doesn't even look bad, when you compare it to different shows it has quite a lot of detail in it, so stop bitching about the current animation/art style because if you don't like it, stop watching it.Or, even worse, look at the upcoming promotional images for Kiseijuu compared to the original manga: This stuff is just not acceptable. |
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| i think a lot of ppl stray away from old animes since 1: they like the new animation style better, since it's obviously more fluid and not as stiff ... it's just another step forward in Technologie and humans are used to the new style so ist hard to go back 2: often the Plots in many (not all) old anime is not as well though through as many newer ones... i honestly have nothing against the old animation style and such if the story makes up for it. however i do prefer the newer animes for the reasons above... :> |
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cookieyayay said: Just a question, are you Dutch?i think a lot of ppl stray away from old animes since 1: they like the new animation style better, since it's obviously more fluid and not as stiff ... it's just another step forward in Technologie and humans are used to the new style so ist hard to go back 2: often the Plots in many (not all) old anime is not as well though through as many newer ones... i honestly have nothing against the old animation style and such if the story makes up for it. however i do prefer the newer animes for the reasons above... :> |
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: 50 episode series are extremely rare nowadays especially when compared to the likes of the 70's and 80's where it seemed there was more of a goal to make long shows than short ones.Qaiz said: I'm not soo sure about that. I think it's consistent across the board. In fact I'd go as far as to say that today you get a lot more sub-par shows due to the commercialization of everything. No more Wings of Honneamise watershed moments. Every era has both great and not so great shows and I guess with things like the internet today the bad stuff sticks out more. I also feel that in general since anime is a lot more widespread today you find shows that cover more niche topics and unconventional stories, but also shows that look identical across the board. I think I can relate in a way since I prefer the old stuff and don't really like the look of the new stuff. Of course in any case I never dismiss something and try to give everything a go. I guess to be fair when comparing new anime to old, the old anime referenced are usually the 'masterpieces' while the new shows are just the usual productions. I think really only time will tell in regards to how this stuff holds up. As a fan of old anime I have to say there is more old trash than nowadays. At least in terms of MAL entries. Of course old trash used to have 1 or 2 OVA episodes while today it can be up to 50 episodes (or also a short like Pupa) so another way to put it is that old trash has more variety to it because the series are much shorter :>. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Milk_is_Special said: vigorousjammer said: This looks perfectly fine by me. It is just harder to put a lot of detail non stop in an anime because IT HAS TO BE ANIMATED. When it contains so much detail like the first picture , it would be impossible to animate without a budget that is bigger then all the money that the US has. And to be honest it doesn't even look bad, when you compare it to different shows it has quite a lot of detail in it, so stop bitching about the current animation/art style because if you don't like it, stop watching it.Or, even worse, look at the upcoming promotional images for Kiseijuu compared to the original manga: This stuff is just not acceptable. Well, I guess I'm fine with most of the character designs that they've shown... but, as far as the main character goes... Maybe this will paint a little bit of a better picture as to why I'm disappointed: It's not even about a lack of detail, it's about how they changed his character entirely. Also, you can get rid of details and still keep an art style that is consistent with the source material, as evidenced with many of the anime adaptations of manga in the 90's. The way they changed things just reeks of marketers saying "hey, this is what's hot now, let's change it so it's like that, so more people will buy it" Also, telling me to "Stop bitching" or "Stop watching it", is pretty insulting. Am I not allowed to voice my opinion, in the hopes that it may become a small part of a louder overall collective voice... to show that people are still interested in that kind of classic style of anime... the style of anime which is the reason why I initially fell in love with the format in the first place! ...to hopefully get creators to realize that there's still a market for that style of anime! I will not "stop bitching", as you so eloquently put it, because that will not change anything, and if things continue the way they are, I may not end up liking any more anime that gets released, and THAT SUCKS. |
vigorousjammerSep 21, 2014 8:18 AM
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| Don't be so childish, its just a matter of what kind of anime and everyone must have a different taste Don't force your ideal to someone else if you don't want to be forced too |
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| There are also multiple people who won't bother watching new anime as well. It's pretty pointless to not watch something that is new or old. Regardless, it's their choice and personal taste of what kind of anime they prefer to watch. It really shouldn't matter to you since what they watch does not affect you in any sort of way. |
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| Yeah. You mean those slice of life/moe loving people who have no respect for anime that revolutionized the industry such as Sailor Moon, DBZ, Fist of the North Star, etc. |
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