abystoma2 said: hiddenhokage said: So are you judging the anime or the manga? Because the fillers are absolutely part of the canon anime story.That doesn't really apply here since filler episodes aren't part of the canon story. "Fillers are part of the canon anime story" is one of the weirdest takes I've read in recent memory. |
CickNipolla said: That's a good comparison, i didn't expect you will mention him._spoon_ said: Bleach had a huge fanbase, those were just the haters lmao thats not how things work lol osama bin laden had a " huge fan base " he was still hated by 90% of the world |
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hiddenhokage said: I don't know what surprises you so much. The talk about filler vs canon only applies in context of comparing to the original material. Within the anime, anything that happens is part of the anime canon unless specifically explained it wasn't actually real in-world. That shouldn't be hard concept to wrap your head about. Just because an episode is original to the anime doesn't mean it didn't happen in the anime storyline.abystoma2 said: So are you judging the anime or the manga? Because the fillers are absolutely part of the canon anime story. "Fillers are part of the canon anime story" is one of the weirdest takes I've read in recent memory. -FALSE said: See above.It's no surprise he's calling fillers canon material (a literal oxymoron) TheZippotm said: That's fault of the screenwriters, not my problem. It still doesn't unexist the episodes. They are still canon to the anime continuum.There is literally a filler arc right in the middle of a canon arc that completely breaks the timeline. Where exactly are you putting that filler in the "anime canon" story so it makes any sort of sense? |
abystoma2Oct 12, 2022 11:13 AM
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| I think a lot people do not have their own opinion and just follow the crowd. As long as people do not back down they will have the win at the end. I think that is kind of what happened with Bleach. Or it is just |
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Za_Panda said: Ig these hypes are being created by anime-onlies mostly. I do remember when bleach's final chapter aired I saw way more people talk about it in a negative tone rather than a positive one (and they were right) CickNipolla said: youre right, demon slayer has totally NOT been more popular than dragon ball since its release. that blue being above red does NOT mean anything. dragon ball did NOT need fortnite to finally become relevant again  Mf has iq in 2 digits If you are gonna compare then use the statistics from 1990s in graphs where dragon ball was at its peak, kny being more popular now doesn't mean shit when db has been way more popular since decades giffica said: Correct. bleach pioneered the Goth edge that persisents in Jumps current set. Jujutsu Kaisen and Demon Slayers authors cite Bleach DIRECTLY. No one cites One Piece or FMA afaik. You dont even see authors mention death note. but bleach? there is a special severance for the franchise people forget simply cause, like i said, Naruto fanbase likes to dismiss Bleach. But now that us Naruto fans are older its less competition more friendly rivals. the real enemy is One Piece. ๐๐๐ mf is creating enemies and rivals among japanese comics "Bleach pioneered goth aesthetic" Indeed when the most gothic form of bleach takes inspiration from yu yu hakusho, obviously the one who copies gets to be the one called as a pioneer   Coincidentally both these series you mentioned as "friendly rivals" took many concepts from togashi's works ๐ค I'm not even a Bleach fan but you're just a smooth brain if you think Bleach isn't known for it's fashion, and YuYu Hakusho's fashion are bright red, green, and blue school uniforms you bozo???? GOTH? Bruh you a nut. Seriously try reading Zombiepowder, make it obviously you don't know anything about Trigun which is where the aesthetic was lifted from. Jesus christ. Typical "BLEACH IS YYH" smooth brain. |
| Yu Yu Hakusho was great for its time but Togashi's not focused on fashion. Kubo focuses on cooler art while Togashi art leans to out-of-box creativity. Look at the latest cover art Togashi did for the next HxH volume: https://twitter.com/WSJ_manga/status/1579642728610410496 Now look at the recent art Kubo posted for the BLEACH anime return celebration: https://twitter.com/tite_official/status/1579485655092150274 Both are very strong in creativity in different ways. |
| DBZ > Bleach > D.Gray-man > One Piece > Full Metal Alchemist > Hunter x Hunter > Naruto |
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hiddenhokage said: abystoma2 said: So are you judging the anime or the manga? Because the fillers are absolutely part of the canon anime story. "Fillers are part of the canon anime story" is one of the weirdest takes I've read in recent memory. thats how it works yes. filler is canon to anime, but not manga. |
CickNipolla said: hiddenhokage said: "Fillers are part of the canon anime story" is one of the weirdest takes I've read in recent memory. thats how it works yes. filler is canon to anime, but not manga. It's never worked like that. |
right, they are just adding filler episodes that are actually apart of a completely different universe. the kakashi mask filler is actually in the multiverse and its not real genius take by you |
CickNipolla said: right, they are just adding filler episodes that are actually apart of a completely different universe. the kakashi mask filler is actually in the multiverse and its not real genius take by you Filler episodes are rarely, if ever, referenced back to by any of the characters. You know why that is? Because they didn't happen and have no influence on the canon storyline. Filler episodes exist solely in their own little world, completely separate from everything else. It's like the Star Wars Holiday Special. |
hiddenhokage said: CickNipolla said: right, they are just adding filler episodes that are actually apart of a completely different universe. the kakashi mask filler is actually in the multiverse and its not real genius take by you Filler episodes are rarely, if ever, referenced back to by any of the characters. You know why that is? Because they didn't happen and have no influence on the canon storyline. Filler episodes exist solely in their own little world, completely separate from everything else. It's like the Star Wars Holiday Special. right, except for the fact that 90% of anime would be filler if the criteria was " its not referenced later " |
| Watched it a few years back. My notes were: Best soundtrack in all of anime. Soul society arc was excellent. Also in my records it had a rating of 7.80, so it has gained 0.08 since that point which is probably hype driven based on the new arc. Ultimately its a generic battle shounen the progression of ichigo was quite good and the diversity of the baddies was also interesting. But not much else stood out to me, except the score of course which has been looping on youtube more or less ever since. |
| Bleach is best consumed with your ears open and your eyes closed. |
| I think it's better than Naruto, and Naruto was my first anime. For me, Naruto doesn't hold up as well as Bleach and One Piece. I'm 225 chapters into One Piece and planning to read Bleach. I feel like if I touch Naruto anymore, my opinion of it will decline even more. My opinion is: 1. One Piece 2. Bleach 3. Naruto |
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| Naruto's peak > Bleach's peak > One Piece > Bleach's two last arcs > Naruto last big arc |
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| most of the people who watched this series in the past have about 30y-40y now... i think most of the people who scored 9.x + are younger people and probably didn't watch bleach or don't remember about it anymore |
| hmmm... two years ago. Now, when i think about it, they might have died, because of you know what. It God's retribution, he wants to say that hating Bleach is not healthy! |
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| kinda have to agree with OP based on personal anecdotes (not sure I can answer "why" though). A friend of mine called Bleach "mid" for years (not even sure they watched the full thing, perhaps maybe just read the manga), but as soon as the new season dropped they're out here hyping it up like they've been a hardcore fan all these years. I haven't called them out on it, but I guess the best explanation I can give is that people just like to ride the hype train (or pick the side/opinion that they think will make them look the best). |
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| Actually it didn't It's just that the fans finally decided to be honest to themselves. The haters are a loud minority. |
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| I still have my criticism with the writing but I still have my hopes that they will fix it with the anime. What has always been consistent: Epic OST, great character designs and diversity, epic battles. The story can be somewhat convoluted at times and underwhelming. Either Kubo sucks at writing or they did him dirty. |
| I'd say a major reason for this is because Bleach fans are one of the more hardcore Shounen fanbases. Mostly because they've the punching bag of the anime/manga community for so long, e.g. the anime was 'cancelled' before it reached the final arc, the final arc (and ending) in the manga was considered bad by many, it was seen as the weakest of 'The Big Three' and probably plenty more but I don't want to unnecessarily trigger the fandom more than I already have (these aren't my opinions ok). Considering the fanbase is getting a demon slayer level adaptation of Bleach, that is also supposedly going to expand on various events throughout the final arc, it is understandable that the fanbase is as passionate and excited as it is. Although, I agree with OP that the general opinion of Bleach in the anime community has done a 180*. It is just another example of how hype culture has become an integral part of the anime community, where it is more about consuming the product so you can be part of the conversation, instead of enjoying a piece of fiction because you find value in it yourself. |
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abystoma2 said: Just take a nap, your reply is bullshit. Filler = Non manga anime portion; Canon: Otherwise. No need to put your small dick inside of this shit.hiddenhokage said: I don't know what surprises you so much. The talk about filler vs canon only applies in context of comparing to the original material. Within the anime, anything that happens is part of the anime canon unless specifically explained it wasn't actually real in-world. That shouldn't be hard concept to wrap your head about. Just because an episode is original to the anime doesn't mean it didn't happen in the anime storyline."Fillers are part of the canon anime story" is one of the weirdest takes I've read in recent memory. -FALSE said: See above.It's no surprise he's calling fillers canon material (a literal oxymoron) TheZippotm said: That's fault of the screenwriters, not my problem. It still doesn't unexist the episodes. They are still canon to the anime continuum.There is literally a filler arc right in the middle of a canon arc that completely breaks the timeline. Where exactly are you putting that filler in the "anime canon" story so it makes any sort of sense? |
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Accord3 said: No fucking way, Bleach has been the best anime in the medium since the day it aired. Fucking virgins overanalyzing an entertainment product and trying to find stuff which is not present and then compaining about a battle shonen not having the writing quality of a shakesperean work doesn't take away from the fact that as a purw entertainment product bleach trumps most, if not all, anime.most of the people who watched this series in the past have about 30y-40y now... i think most of the people who scored 9.x + are younger people and probably didn't watch bleach or don't remember about it anymore |
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berial6 said: People just forgot how much everyone hated this arc when it was being released. Ok, maybe "hated" is a wrong word - everyone was... bored? There was a lot of shock value and unexpected moments in early chapters of 1000y War Arc, which brought a lot of attention and praise... but then we returned to the good old post-Soul society bleach: fakeout deaths, power-ups to win a fight, characters literally standing in a queue (hero 1 defeats villain 1, villain 2 enters, defeats hero 1, but then hero 2 enters etc etc). Also, arc's ending was atrocious - one of the worst and laziest deus ex machinas i've seen. Yea, for real. I just remembered how much BS were in those Quincy fights. I still like Bleach the most out of the big 3 though. |
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| 90% of people who talked about it, said the latter half of it is bad. This isn't some Mandela Effect, basically EVERYONE said it. And now everyone's coping, saying it was just a 'vocal minority.' What? WHAT? Why is everyone suddenly switching up? I've watched 5 episodes of Bleach, and dropped it, but this confuses me. I need an answer. |
TheZippotm said: The vocal minority were trashing Bleach as a whole, spreading the false information that the anime was canceled and that the Soul Society arc was the only good arc, which couldn't be further than the truth. For the average anime watcher who hears this nonsense, would think that everything after the first major arc turns to shit. Something that started as a meme was spread around like the gospel. Soul Society is the most consistent in terms of ups and downs but it doesn't have the peaks that are present in the next arcs. While the TYBW has it's problems in the second half, the arc as a whole also has a lot of the best parts of Bleach. I might be able to take that as an answer. If you think most of a show sucks, you wouldn't be a fan of it, so maybe it was non-fans I saw the few times I did see discussion on it, whereas in here, I'm seeing the fans. But I will hold a bit of doubt, because it felt like basically everyone was talking about how the latter parts were trash. Keyword here is: it 'felt' like basically everyone. |
hypergoobOct 13, 2022 4:23 AM
| An actual thread that makes sense that I agree with by CickNipolla what????? |
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| I still think that soul society arc or whatever its called was quite decent but the rest of the anime was shit. They used the same formula throughout the anime, a villain enters, Ichigo goes to fight him, the villain kicks his ass, Ichigo trains and then defeats him with some new power. |
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hypergoob said: 90% of people who talked about it, said the latter half of it is bad. This isn't some Mandela Effect, basically EVERYONE said it. And now everyone's coping, saying it was just a 'vocal minority.' What? WHAT? Why is everyone suddenly switching up? I've watched 5 episodes of Bleach, and dropped it, but this confuses me. I need an answer. The vocal minority of Bleach fans wants to make you believe, that criticism towards Bleach is thrown at it from haters that are in fact the REAL vocal minority that tries to undersell this great shounen manga. Coming from someone that read the entire manga. I would say that the claims of only Soul Society being good are overexaggerated. Still believes it is the best, but Arancer had some great moments too, regarding Ulquorra and Grimmjoe. And a certain fight a bit later where the series should have really ended was pretty good too. However Fullbringer and this last Quincy part felt really uninspired. Like Quincy was just Arancer, but characters were suddenly german and not spanish (also severely less interesting.) And the main issue with the series for me. Ichigo and the other normal humans were just sooooo boring. Like unlike say Luffy in One Piece he doesn't have this larger then life persona and unlike say Gon or Naruto he never really feels like he is growing or having an interesting morale conflict. But yeah the truth is probably in between the people that hate the series over the top and those that claim the critique is unwarranted and are currently blinded by nostalgia hype. |
BlueSkylark said: hypergoob said: 90% of people who talked about it, said the latter half of it is bad. This isn't some Mandela Effect, basically EVERYONE said it. And now everyone's coping, saying it was just a 'vocal minority.' What? WHAT? Why is everyone suddenly switching up? I've watched 5 episodes of Bleach, and dropped it, but this confuses me. I need an answer. The vocal minority of Bleach fans wants to make you believe, that criticism towards Bleach is thrown at it from haters that are in fact the REAL vocal minority that tries to undersell this great shounen manga. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Also btw you don't even know how to pronounce the names in this series correctly: Arrancar, not arancer. Grimmjow, not grimmjoe. Ulquiorra, not ulquorra. Fullbring, not fullbringer (and by the way, it's not either, it's 'The Lost Agent'). |
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